New playoff poll
It appears that the 8-team playoff idea is going to hold onto its lead versus the 4-team playoff in the poll below, so it's time to move on to the next poll questions. And being that a) I don't think I can have more than one poll per post, and b) I don't want to clog up the top of the blog with numerous polls, I'll ask that you leave your responses to these questions in the comments section below.
Okay, so we're creating an 8-team playoff. Due to conflict with Finals Week and Christmas, the playoff really can't possibly start until between about 12/27 and 1/1. After a lengthy discussion, The Beef and I decided that the schedule should go as follows.
Quarterfinals: 1/1 (or, if 1/1 is on a weekend, somewhere around mid-week before 1/1...so about 12/29 or so)
Semifinals: 1/8 or one week later
Finals: A Saturday at least 7 days after the semis.
This year, 1/1 is on a Tuesday, so that would work just fine. Quarters on 1/1, semis on 1/8, finals on 1/19. The idea is, you really can't have the semis on a weekend because it would conflict with the NFL...and that would be a problem. Don't wanna tick off the NFL on this one. You might even need to have the finals mid-week as well. But oh well. Anyhoo, here are the questions I need you to answer in comments. The more answers the better here--some of these are relatively tricky, but I want to hear your opinions...
1 - Do you keep the 12-game schedule, or knock it down a game?
2 - Do you keep the conference title games (even though not every conference has one)?
3 - Do you get rid of any bowl games (if so, how do you determine which ones?)?
4 - Do the Quarterfinals take place in the BCS games (i.e. the quarterfinals are played in the Fiesta/Sugar/Rose/Orange Bowls), or are they somehow separate?
5 - Here's the other date option: have the quarterfinals somewhere around December 10, before finals/holiday, with a 3-week break before the semis. Does that work better?
6 - Assuming BCS conference winners get an automatic bid, what are the rules for the other bids? How do non-BCS conf champs work their way into the equation? Highest BCS ranking among non-BCS schools gets in?
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my own answers...
1 - Honestly, if you start the playoffs that late, you don't need to get rid of any games.
2 - There are (unless I'm having a brainfart here) six BCS conferences, and the conference championships would basically serve as elimination games in most cases. I don't think it's fair to have these games unless every conference has these games, but you could make that same case now. So for as little change as possible...keep 'em.
3 - Since a) there's no need, and b) there's really no fair way to determine which bowls would get eliminated, keep 'em all.
4 - Set up a rotation. Have the quarters take place in the four BCS bowls, the semis in two of the BCS sites, and the finals in another. So basically you'd have...
Year One
Semis: Rose & Orange
Finals: Fiesta
Year Two
Semis: Sugar & Rose
Finals: Orange
Year Three
Semis: Fiesta & Sugar
Finals: Rose
Et cetera.
5 - I actually wouldn't mind this option either, but it would totally negate the rotation I just spent 20 seconds typing up, so screw it.
6 - I say any non-BCS champion with a BCS ranking of 15 or higher gets in. No specific requirement that they be undefeated, though it's pretty hard for a non-BCS team to make it that high without being undefeated. Any remaining at-large bids go to the team(s) with the highest BCS rankings. Teams are seeded by their BCS ranking.
So 2006 would have looked like this...
#1 seed: Ohio State
#2 seed: Florida
#3 seed: Michigan
#4 seed: USC
#5 seed: Louisville
#6 seed: Boise State
#7 seed: Oklahoma
#8 seed: Wake Forest
Rose: Ohio State vs Wake Forest
Orange: USC vs Louisville
Fiesta: Michigan vs Boise State
Sugar: Florida vs Oklahoma
That would have presumably led to semis of OSU/USC and Boise/UF and finals of USC/UF. Not too bad.
by Bill C. on Nov 2, 2007 2:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Answers
- Knock it down a game. 11 games is fine. On NCAA2K I never play 12 unless I'm bored
- HELLLLLL NO. Those are what ruined most of this crap. Now don't get me wrong, they are exciting, but it's HIGHLY unfait that the Pac 10 and Big 10 don't have them, so when their season ends, it ends. There's no chance for an upset to ruin a team's perfect season bid. Get rid of them. They are a money grab plain and simple.
- HELLLLLLL YES! I determine it based on different factors. Do I care? Does it make sense? What's the match-up?
Poinsetta Bowl (2 bowls in SD?). It's 2 years old.
New Orleans Bowl (THREE bowls in New Orleans this year?)
Papajohn's.com Bowl (Started last year. Birmingham. Yawn.)
New Mexico Bowl (For crying out loud. really?)
Texas Bowl (Celebrating mediocrity since 2006. There's already 3 other bowls in Texas)
Emerald Bowl (Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz)
Armed Forces Bowl (Sorry, make this FOUR other bowls in Texas..c'mon)
- Sure, if you want to you can do that but I prefer #5
- Imagine the build up, replace the conference title games w/quarterfinals
- Selection show. That would be pimping.
by JayC on Nov 2, 2007 2:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
my only question...
...is why do you hate the people of San Diego, New Orleans, Birmingham, Albuquerque, Fort Worth...and, uhh, wherever the hell the Emerald (San Fran?) and Armed Forces Bowls are? The thing about bowls is, they're good for the local economy (though you're right that cities don't necessarily need more than one bowl), they don't hurt nobody...why the hate? You're just getting rid of them because you don't like them...it has nothing to do with an 8-team playoff.
by Bill C. on Nov 2, 2007 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not hate
it's the fact the NCAA is a hypocrisy. They preach amatuerism and it's all about money. If being good for the local economy means anything, why not have them in STL, KC, Denver, OKC, Little Rock and everywhere? That's my disdain. It's the fact that going to 'a bowl' becomes diminished when you have so many teams going, it's devalued. Too much supply and the same demand. Saying "bowl team" used to mean something, now the 9th place Big XII team goes. That screams mediocre. That's all. For those cities losing the bowl, rotate the quarter finals there. That could work!!
But you said it, you dont necessarily HAVE to get rid of bowls for a 8-team playoff, yet i've constantly heard that retort being said
by JayC on Nov 2, 2007 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
STL, KC, Denver, OKC, Little Rock...
...could all have a bowl game if they followed the right procedures, I'm pretty sure. Why would NCAA want one in Mobile or Albuquerque but not StL? And yes...making a bowl now means less than it did 30 years ago, but...so? Kansas fans know that their Fort Worth Bowl bid from a couple years ago doesn't mean the same as the Gator or Cotton Bowls do. The only difference is when a coach says "We've been to _ bowls in _ years!" Not a big deal in the end...share the love, man...share the love.
by Bill C. on Nov 2, 2007 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The NCAA and bowls
There's no hypocrisy. The NCAA has nothing to do with bowl games. They're all independent events.
I made my position on this pretty clear in the last roundtable. I'd have eight teams, with only one per conference. If we're playing for a national championship, it's not too much to ask that they be conference champs, especially when there are so few bids at stake. Some teams (like Michigan last year) can look stronger than they are because of conference competition, only to get exposed in a bowl game. Play the first round in December. Play the semis and the finals in early January.
I don't have a problem with keeping conference championship games, and in the era of the mega-conference, they might almost be a necessity. For instance, you could have a scenario in the Big 12 where you have one team from each division finish 12-0. It would suck to be the team left out of the playoffs because of a tiebreaker.
As for the bowls, I don't understand why it matters at all. What's going to change? As it is now, the bowls are events for the schools and fans, and they have no bearing on the national championship. They have nothing to do with the issue at hand.
I'd take the six BCS champs, and the next two highest BCS-rated league champs or independents. Last year, it would have looked like this:
- Ohio State (Big 10)
- Florida (SEC)
- Southern Cal (Pac 10)
- Louisville (Big East)
- Boise State (non-BCS league)
- Oklahoma (Big 12)
- Notre Dame (independent)
- Wake Forest (ACC)
This year (tentatively) it would look like this:
- Ohio State (Big 10)
- Boston College (ACC)
- LSU (SEC)
- Arizona State (Pac 10)
- Oklahoma (Big 12)
- West Virginia (Big East)
- Hawaii (non-BCS league)
- Boise State (non-BCS league)
by Michael Atchison on Nov 2, 2007 5:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
BC vs Hawaii...
...that would be fantastic simply because I cannot even imagine those two teams on the same field together.
by Bill C. on Nov 2, 2007 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
View from Bring On The Cats
I know you didn't ask for my opinion, but I found this interesting...
Maybe I'm in the (vast) minority here, but I don't really have a problem with having games on the weekend(s) of finals week(s). Tests during the regular season are already rescheduled around travel, why can't a final be? I'm as pro-education as they come (both my parents are public school teachers), but I don't have a big problem with playing the weekend of finals week.
So here's what we do, in my scenario (using this year's dates):
December 1: Conference championship games
December 8: Opening round of the 8-team playoff
December 15: Second round of 8-team playoff
January 1: Championship game
--This avoids the "Christmas" weekend and gives the teams a week off before the title game, similar to the NFl.
As to answers to the rest of the questions...
1 - Do you keep the 12-game schedule, or knock it down a game?
Yeah, keep 12. More football is never a bad thing.
2 - Do you keep the conference title games (even though not every conference has one)?
I like the CCG, and wish every conference had one.
3 - Do you get rid of any bowl games (if so, how do you determine which ones?)?
No, I don't really have a problem with all the bowl games. If every mid-sized city (hello, Omaha Bowl!) in the nation wants to try and boost its local economy, so be it. We all know what is a reward and what is not (i.e. the Holiday Bowl is a reward and the Poinsettia Bowl is not a reward), so who cares if we give some extra practice time to every .500 team in the country?
4 - Do the Quarterfinals take place in the BCS games (i.e. the quarterfinals are played in the Fiesta/Sugar/Rose/Orange Bowls), or are they somehow separate?
Yes, keep those bowls if at all possible. I know some people will cry that it's impossible to make travel arrangements on that short of notice and that the cost is prohibitive, but the games will still (likely) sell out based on local interest. Here's a thought: let the Rose Bowl go back to its traditional Big 10/Pac-10 matchup and use the other three majors (Fiesta/Sugar/Orange) as the semifinals and championship game. As for the first and second-round games, either have them at home sites or give other bowls the option of moving their dates up to be part of the action (tough decision for a bowl like the Cotton: stay at its traditional date and take a less-intriguing matchup, or be part of the biggest games of the season).
5 - Here's the other date option: have the quarterfinals somewhere around December 10, before finals/holiday, with a 3-week break before the semis. Does that work better?
No, see my previous suggestion.
6 - Assuming BCS conference winners get an automatic bid, what are the rules for the other bids? How do non-BCS conf champs work their way into the equation? Highest BCS ranking among non-BCS schools gets in?
Fuck automatic bids. That doesn't necessarily reward the best. If the Big East champion sucks ass some year, I don't want them in the final eight. The best eight teams get to play for the national title. The Big East champion is still going to at least a decent bowl in that scenario, so they don't have that much to whine about as far as lost revenue.
Crazy enough for you?
by TB on Nov 2, 2007 11:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My own thoughts
To clarify, I actually believe with the above scenario you keep the games on 1/1 no matter what the date....then play the semis roughly a week later (probably better on Wed and Thurs for TV) and move the finals to a weekend obviously.
#1 - I think you need to shorten the season back to 11 games and get rid of where teams have two weeks off...because...
#2 - I would keep the conference championship games. In first thinking about it, I would have loved to have moved the championship games to that Saturday of Thanksgiving weekeend (imagine THAT spots weekend) but I dont have a calendar handy, so I dont know if that is actually feasible or not. In the end though, I like these games and think while it could possibly keep some maybe deserving teams out, they are worth it in the scope of the season.
#3 - I dont really get rid of any. I think you have two options. Give the higher seed team home field in the quarters, or incorporate the bowls on that level also. I am leaning towards home field since it will not tax the fans as much. The rest of those games should still stay and be valued as games that can still propel your program in the future.
#4 - I guess I answered this in the other question....I think one of the complaints about instituting a playoff system would be the taxing of the fans for travel. I think you can gain even more drama for this set up with the top 4 getting home field.
#5 - The more I have thought about it, the more I like the quarters being before the x-mas break, with the rest being later. This gives your season nice extension into Dec., but then really amps up the hype for the semis, while allowing the other bowl season plenty of space to still flourish.
#6 - This is where I really struggle...since there are a couple of conferences who have produced BCS worthy teams of late (Utah, Boise State, perhaps Hawaii, TCU has been talked about), but it most years, their best team is not in amongst the top 8...so I would say they are lumped in with the rest, giving them the chance to make it, but also allowing for them to not make it on the back of an automatic bid.
by The Beef on Nov 3, 2007 2:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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