Basketball Live Thread - Mizzou vs. Xavier in Puerto Rico
by The Beef on Nov 20, 2008 11:00 AM CST
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Where: Coliseo De Puerto Rico (capacity: 18,000)
When: 12:00 p.m. CST
TV: ESPN U
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I'll be honest...it is not as pretty as the work The Boy
or rpt does…but at least the tables came out halfway decently :-)
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I don't think Mizzou can win this game
But I hope I’m wrong. If Leo and DeMarre can get going early, maybe we can win this thing.
Your 2008 Missouri Tigers! #12 9-2 (5-2). Next up kU at Arrowhead. BIG 12 NORTH CHAMPS!
Very, very glad that Quin is gone.
Brian Dailey would discover him passed out in an alley in downtown San Juan right about…
…
…
…now.
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the game will start about 25 minutes late
previous game must have went long.
We’re playing it on BXR and KFRU, but not streaming. Any ling for the game on the web?
Caught this off of T-board...might work for audio/vidio
also…I dont know if KMOX.com does streaming audio while the game is on or not…I “believe” Mizzou is on there for hoops.
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So looks like the link WAS working, but is down now
Supposedly some Mizzou people reached out to him to keep the stream going, but it is not
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nregame will start at 11:50
- or so they tell us
by SleepyFloyd7 on Nov 20, 2008 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
Va Tech up by 15 with about 4 to go it looks like
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Game is about to end, Tech with a 17 point win
Mizzou should likely tip pretty close to 12:15 am guessing
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he said 30 minutes...
so make that 12:25 tip
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12:15 am?
I have to wait 12 hours?
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yep...stay right where you are until it starts
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TB checking in...
…no class today so I’m going to get my first look at Mizzou basketball this season. Good luck today.
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Bring On The Cats
Thank you sir...how did you guys look against Emporia the other night?
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Didn't get to see or listen to it...
…I was at the Rockets/Mavs game and the game was blocked on FSN KC down here in Houston, so my DVR didn’t record it. Sounded like they played pretty poorly, but were never in serious danger of losing the game. It’s going to be a roller-coaster year for the Cats. I’m hoping for right around .500 in conference play, maybe just a little better because I can’t take my fan-glasses off all the time.
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With Beasley and Walker gone...where will the points come from?
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Balance, balance, balance
We have six guys averaging double figure points right now, led by redshirt freshman Jamar Samuels. Now obviously, that’s against pretty bad competition, but we’re averaging 88.7 points per game.
Honestly, I think we’re going to miss Beasley’s rebounding at least as much as his scoring.
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Oops, I lied
Fred Brown and Dominique Sutton passed Samuels up in scoring average after last night’s game.
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He was a man among boys last season
appears to be a man among men right now in the league, especially on the rebounding front :-)
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Yeah
For the first time in his life, basketball isn’t easy. Still, not bad so far, for a rookie.
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I am not so worried about the scoring...that will come I think
I was hoping to see a little more on the boards from him, since I do believe some of rebounding is just good ol’ fashioned effort.
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I've got the pre-game show online
KFNS.com has a very quick, free registration, but I am listening to Linker right now….
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yeah...will be changing the channel here at work in a little bit
But not sure I am going to be able to just pull up a chair for 2 hours without someone noticing :-)
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Act like you're on the phone...
Making sales?
Customer Service? (Oh wait, you don’t work for Mediacom. Your shit probably works.)
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Yes it does...
And people know I am on the phone listening, but I dont make any calls…
The link is working by the way….check it out here….big props to the Va Tech guy
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Random people streaming stuff online...
… was my saving grace during the first two weeks of the Stanley Cup Playoffs last year.
My SlingBox was down and I was NOT smiles times.
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I wish they'd split up Tiller and Taylor
Both are defense first guys and there’s no perimeter offense when they’re on the floor. Taylor/Denmon and Paul/Tiller are much better tandems IMO
by Transmogrified Tiger on Nov 20, 2008 12:29 PM CST reply actions
Boy I do love Demarre putting up 3's
it is a wonder he is never covered for those….
XU up 3-0 two min. in
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Decent defense so far...but shooting is not quite there
Matt hit his first three, but missed his first layup :-)
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tied at 5 through the first TV timeout
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Damnit
Then we would have been better off with last year’s team. They loved street fights.
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Haha, yeah
I actually wasn’t thinking about that when I posted the comment, but now that you mention it…
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Who says I can't bring my A-game at noon on a Thursday?
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Wish I was playing the JT Tiller drinking game....
He should be all OVER the floor and taking people with him
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It's 12:45
What’s stopping you?
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by UribeAuction on Nov 20, 2008 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
Alan Jackson is a tool
But he was right about one thing:
It’s 5:00 somewhere.
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14-12 nearing the TV Timeout
neither team doing anything tremendously well…
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i don't think we can win this game
in a half-court battle. We’ve got to get the transition game going.
I don't know
From everything I read, Xavier isn’t very confident in their forwards.
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yeah
but i thought it was because they were turnover-prone, which would help us get up and down the floor.
the slower this game is...
the more their size is going to factor in, which WILL win the game for them
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need to do a better job of stopping the ball
once they get past the initial defender we aren’t forcing them to make a pass or even a tough shot
by Transmogrified Tiger on Nov 20, 2008 12:46 PM CST reply actions
We've got to the rack a number of times
but we just have a tough time finishing there….then we turn around and foul them
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Miguel Paul = pass-first guard?
or so i was told
yeah...I think Atch said it best when he talked about the first word
“first” meaning something different where Paul is from.
Dangerous time of this game right now, we need to get SOMETHING going on the offensive end
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Bad shot by Paul, missed layup by Tiller
Right now, I would say we are fortunate to be down one based on our shooting.
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someone tell Paul he can step up to the line
I haven’t seen him take a 3 from the line yet
by Transmogrified Tiger on Nov 20, 2008 12:53 PM CST reply actions
Wait...
Since when do we have jerseys that say “Missouri” rather than “Mizzou?”
Have we seen those since Kareem?
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I think I could
drive the lane on our defense right now. Somebody step up.
i thought we had gotten the better of the block/charge calls so far
but that one on demarre was brutal
Tiller and Lyons with 16
MLaw with 4…rest of the team…..1 (and I think that was Safford)
Offensive foul on Carroll, who may be having his worst half at Mizzou
timeout on the floor….22-20 Thankfully Xavier has turned it over at least 8 times.
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i think we're going to be saying that a lot
thankfully _________ has turned it over __ times
Sometimes I wish you could impeach
college athletes…. Matt Lawrence would be long gone
not exactly a patented run...
but we’ve turned a 5-point deficit into a 5-point lead. It only took about six minutes.
it only took me having a quick meeting to miss us doing well
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so many offensive rebounds
and can we please finish near the basket
by Transmogrified Tiger on Nov 20, 2008 1:13 PM CST reply actions
there was another one
the stat sheet is going to make me weep
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you did not miss much
let me predict the last 15 seconds….we wont get a good shot off :-)
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I shudder to think we called a timeout to dial up
a contested 25 foot shot from Matt Lawrence as our “last play”….
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wow...what the hell happpened to Matt Lawerence's shot?
was it me, or did he release the ball at the wrong time?
you're telling me
we couldn’t get a better shot than that with 13 seconds left?
we're getting doubled up on the boards
and shooting better from 3 than we are from the field.
What a strange half.
by Transmogrified Tiger on Nov 20, 2008 1:21 PM CST reply actions
Well..if we turn it around and play like we did to start
the 2nd half against UT-C, we are in good position to make a move….but wow…the offensive boards and 2nd chance points are killing us
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F to the R to the E to the E to the C to the R
to the E to the DIT to the R to the Oh to the God to the Please to the Shoot to the Me to the Now.
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they had to know beforehand
that a puerto rico game the week before thanksgiving wasn’t going to pack the seats. It’s for the TV exposure.
by Transmogrified Tiger on Nov 20, 2008 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
horrible charge call against Lyons
now he has to sit with 3
by Transmogrified Tiger on Nov 20, 2008 1:37 PM CST reply actions
we'd be up near double digits if we made any bunnies
I realize I sound pretty negative, so lots of credit to the defense thus far in the half.
And that was Safford on the layup according to Fraschilla.
by Transmogrified Tiger on Nov 20, 2008 1:43 PM CST reply actions
oh
well, either way. Lawrence can’t make one either
Neither can Tiller at this point
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to be fair
that’s always been a problem for the human runaway train
by Transmogrified Tiger on Nov 20, 2008 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
There's one...nice play all around
Mizzou up 45-43 with 13+ to go
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let's step back for a minute
and realize that this has actually been pretty entertaining basketball for 25 minutes. A win would help matters, but I like the way we’re playing this year.
I dont know about entertaining
I cringe when we miss the bunnies especially since an offense founded in transition is going to rely on those…but we are fighting and right there
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damn...you guys are ahead of my feed
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I am watching it online through the link above
guy is streaming ESPN U at his site…
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What happens if...
… this team finds an ability to finish inside and is able to minimize 2nd chance points at the other end?
I really like the way this team is coming together.
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unfotunately those problems
have been there for a few years now and i don’t think they are going away. that is unless we get bryant and johnson back.
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are they seriously going to wear gold jerseys?
I thought The Boy was just having fun with Photoshop again….
the rumors continue
I REALLY hope they are not true
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I hate myself for saying it
But I actually like the gold tops and black pants.
by SleepyFloyd7 on Nov 20, 2008 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
Todd Reesings blood will show up better than on black jerseys
by SleepyFloyd7 on Nov 20, 2008 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
Wow...Xavier dude just stole the ball
without even seeing it…that is how bad a pass it was from Carroll
X ball, MU up 49-45, under 12 TO
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One thing I like about Mike Anderson
it looks like he’s “teaching” instead of “coaching” if that makes sense. I just hope people are patient with him, I think he’s going to be a pretty successful guy if given enough time.
By the way...I believe we might be over the limit
with TWELVE minutes to go
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A consequencec of
our pressure is lots and lots of fouls. I think the refs are also calling this game pretty close as well.
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god
this team has many flaws. rebounding must be at the top of the list
Well...at least Tiller got fouled while missing that lay up
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I swear he'd average 18 ppg...
… if only he could finish from inside 4 feet.
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Loved the
“not known for his work on he offensive end” comment on ESPNU
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the video feed has something now blocking the score
I can see all the action…just not the score or time
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anyone know how...um...bad we are from the line today?
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Best 10 seconds EVER for Demarre Carroll!
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How bout DeMarre taking it upon himself?
Outstanding couple of seconds
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big three for Taylor...
Xavier has ONE timeout left….
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That was 40 seconds of hell
Shows you that if we could ever get 40 minutes, it would be incredible
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Netted the same amount of points
Solid M-I-Z chant going on in the background right now (given the 141 people in the arena)
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As bad as our rebounding has looked,
we are tied with Xavier at 10 rebounds apiece in the 2nd half
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With this lead and the foul and timeout situation
we HAVE to make these free throws coming down the stretch
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and with that...no more timeouts for Xavier
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How is it...
We miss/make more free throw pairs than anyone else…what’s so damn different about the first one???
I'm the guy that keeps Mr. Death in his pocket.
i guess i'd rather miss the first one, so long as it's not a 1-and-1
we can set up pressure on the make
good timeout from Anderson
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and scores...but I still say...
hmmm….interesting
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And immediately
has an impact. Good to get a score right after the timeout
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score/time remaining?
I’m at work
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65-62 MU headed to the line
less than 5 to go
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and thanks
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and thanks
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
Just giving it away
lazy defense added to that by Leo
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what the hell
that was a charge if the play in the first half was
Pardon the pun(s), but
The Lyon has been a Bear for the Tigers in the 2nd half (oh, my!)
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pardon denied
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
Boooooo
And I think I’m the resident expert on bad puns around these parts
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Raymond out for Xavier is big
NOW HIT THE DAMN FREE THROWS
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this would make a loss sting a LOT
and make me just about as disappointed/upset as some of our losses last season.
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Ouch
Who wants to report what we’re shooting from the line today?
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wow...just, wow...
you’re in college for christs sake…you should be able to make a damn free throw
I'm the guy that keeps Mr. Death in his pocket.
are you friggin kidding me?
NO concept for the game
NO concept on what to do
Just amazing….
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and good practice for the one that they'll HAVE to take
when we’re down three
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I dont buy that at all
nevermind how we should be NOWHERE NEAR losing this game if not for fundamental flaws, you have to know more about the game and where you are. An open look from 3 is not a high percentage shot when you need 2 points.
To me…that is lack of coaching, lack of fundamentals and just disappointing all the way around
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But what I want to know is:
are they salty?!
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Yes.
Hit even just a few front ends of the 1-and-1s and that’s a completely different game.
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We should have at least
faked a 3pt shot to get the 3 FT’s like Sam Cassell
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is it over?
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not quite
Xavier with 1 FT left, we are down 3 with 4.2 to go
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Once again...
FT doom this team…it doesn’t matter what kind of defensive pressure you put on an opposing team, what your conditioning is, if you can’t hit a damn free throw, you are never going to win against quality opposition.
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see Tigers, Memphis
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That, my friend...
is the stone-cold truth
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Well everyone...let's do this again tomorrow, shall we?
:-)
Mizzou vs. THE FAIRFIELD STAGS!!…. I think it will be bright and early…
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unless you just dont go to bed :-)
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Nice...
Get to annoy the wife by listening to the game as we drive through StL!
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that's a bad, bad, bad, loss
up by 6 with 6 to go and shot LESS THAN 50% from the line?!?!?!? that should NEVER happen to a D1 school.
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 20, 2008 3:09 PM CST reply actions
we went 7-20 from the line in the second half...
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mike anderson continues to concern me
if we aren’t winning by at least 10 with 2 minutes to go we are probably going to lose…
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I hate games like this
Not only because we lost, but because of the slew of “FIRE ANDERSON1
” comments that are inevitably going to follow it. We’re like five freaking games into the season, people.
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yes it is early in THIS season...but it is not early in Anderson's career here
As Gabe put it so well (and I am paraphrasing)…the faces may have changed, but the mistake remain the same to close the half and to close the game.
And to me…that HAS to be on the coach.
The fact that Denmon ran to the 3-point line on that 2 on 1 with 20 seconds to go and down by one is a fundamental mistake, showing he had no concept of the game flow. Hell…call a timeout and set something up there. the 7-20 from the line in the 2nd half is inexcusable, and to me on both players and coaching. The mistakes are a constant, so to me, you have to look at what else the constant with this team has been. And PLEASE dont make me go back and find his record for us in games decided by less than 6 points….it is really REALLY bad.
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agreed
the concern i’ve always had is that our system can be broken by good coaching. our team runs on turnovers. that is our fuel. when the turnovers aren’t there we become a very mediocre team.
we play at such a frantic base that for 36 minutes on the game we usually are the better team. however, at the end of the halves when things slow down and it becomes a possession and half-court game we are lost.
the reason that the coaching concerns are always brought up after these types of games is because the issues are the same year in and year out.
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I went and looked it up...
4-16 in games in Anderson’s career when the margin was 6 points or less….
The system works fine until the game slows down…then we dont have the discipline to get it done…that is pretty damning right there.
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I'm sorry
but free throws aren’t Anderson’s fault. I guarantee that he, like every other coach in the country, preaches them and practices them to no end. He can’t go out there and make them. He put the team in every position to win today, and the guys choked. C-H-O-K-E-D, plain and simple. The best coach in the world can’t help you when your best two guys are 2-of-10 from the line in the second half.
And I would tell you that team was NOT in a position
to win today because they don’t know HOW to win close games….as pretty darn evident by the stat I showed above…which made NO mention of the free throws from today’s game. A more prepared team does not have someone stop at the 3-point line on a 2 on 1 with 25 seconds to go…you have two choices there…drive or call timeout…we somehow found a third.
Mike has us at about 35 minutes of hell right now, but has showed time and time again that he has little ability to coach the most important 5 minutes. His teams regularly and year over year display little fundamentals or discipline in these situations…the faces change, but the problems have not.
And while the players shoot them, I would argue that coaches CAN impact free throw shooting to some extent. Not change it entirely…but can alter it by coaching, motivating and teaching. But the greatest coach in the world would have had a team who is better equiped to deal with close-game situations. The greatest coach in the world we do not have.
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A bit of rebuttal
They don’t know HOW to win close games
You mean the team with seven newcomers who were playing their first game as Tigers away from Mizzou Arena? The team who had two of its four primary upperclassman leaders on the bench fouled out? Should we expect them to know how to win already, or is this not part of the process?
A more prepared team does not have someone stop at the 3-point line on a 2 on 1 with 25 seconds to go…you have two choices there…drive or call timeout…we somehow found a third.
What you’re saying is absolutely correct fundamentally, but when talking about the Denmon shot, let me ask you this: Given the way every Tiger not named Lyons or Carroll went to the basket and failed to finish in that game, what would have happened if they drove the lane? The rest of the game dictates that they probably would have gone up to strong, missed the basket, get fouled and miss the free throws. Denmon had a look.
Mike has us at about 35 minutes of hell right now, but has showed time and time again that he has little ability to coach the most important 5 minutes
I’m not going to argue with you here. I think it’s a flaw that’s inherent in the system. It’s like faulting an option team in college football for not being equipped to come from behind. I’m not saying it’s right or wrong.
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Well..but that is a pretty damn big flaw
Especially when you are staring 4-16 in the face for a program where you have yet to accomplish many goals set forth, and in fact, have had issues extremely similar to the guy who got released before for the same issues.
And please know…I like Mike Anderson…he would have been my choice…but considering the ridiculousness of the past two seasons being splashed all over the newspaper for roughly the same stuff we got rid of Quin for, along with this GLARING inability to win a close game….well…the body of work is getting pretty long to not be representing some pretty disturbing trends….new people or not. Three seniors were on the floor for most of this game…you cannot tell me they handled the end of the game any better than the frosh did.
And he drives the lane and probably at least gets fouled…that is the MUCH higher percentage play. Now…if we call timeout…set up a play (which you and I both know we dont have) and that open 3 is the result of the play….I am more than fine with it whether he makes it or misses it. But to run to the 3-point line show absolutely no basketball IQ or game sense.
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and the ironic thing was...
Denmon was 2-2 from the FT line….I dont believe he has missed one this year….
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i agree in that
we’ve struggled in possession-to-possession situations since anderson was hired, which is where you have to excel in close games. The Illinois game last year was a perfect example. But today’s game, to me, showed progress. Anderson called a timeout, we got a good look and scored. Happened a couple of times in the final 10 minutes. But the players play, not the coaches. That frosh from Xavier made 10-of-10 down the stretch at the line. Does that automatically make Miller a good close-game coach? I mean, Coach K’s teams have lost close games in the tournament to lower-seeded teams for three or four years in a row. Yeah, I know he’s earned the benefit of the doubt, but you still don’t see anybody laying ANY blame at his feet.
Which brings me to my last point, something rpt says below. This is a brand-new team filled with brand-new players. Let’s give them some time before we write them (and Anderson) off as unable to win a close game.
Did not write the new players off at all...
simply pointing out the consistent area where Anderson is lacking and what ultimately might spell the reason for his dismissal.
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please
let’s learn from pinkel and not overreact with dismissal talk. It’s year 3; he’s barely got his own guys in there.
ultimately...
not calling for immediate dismissal either….
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though I will agree...
the "FIRE ANDERSON {red X in a box} 1 {red X in a box} is a little over the top
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Uggh
What can you say after this sort of performance? It just boggles my mind that you could be so far up and let it slip away…by laying an egg from the damn charity stripe.
Yes, I said a few “FIRE ANDERSON AND HIRE THE ST MARY’S COACH” comments (which came in the throes of anger…apologies all round to those of you who heard it), but it’s early. If this is just teething issues with the new kids, I’m willing to keep faith. If not…THEN you can break out the new coach talk.
It's a funny name.
Another un-related post here
Chad Moeller sent out a note that the Tigers Football team was presented the Big 12 North trophy before their conditioning workout today at Dan Devine Pavillion.
It was a surprise for the team.
oh nice...wow...could be a lot of co-champ trophies
in the south this year :-)
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