Quick thoughts on MU-KU...
I'm sure Ross will post some thoughts at some point as well, but in the meantime...
* This just wasn't the season we thought it would be. Plain and simple. One thing I hate doing is determining blame, so I'll leave that to others. As a fan, all I can say is, the bounces didn't go our way in big moments this year, and while Mizzou fans should almost never be disappointed with 9-3, this was the one year where 9-3 felt like a bit of a failure.
* Of course, next week we get a chance to make everybody forget this moment by doing something amazing. It probably won't happen, but that is a good reminder of something else: we won our second straight North title this year. Bears mentioning.
* I don't know why our blitz hasn't worked this year, but...our blitz hasn't worked this year. Our defensive line generates a decent pass rush, but I can't think of many times where a big blitz produced a big play. Today was obviously no different. Strategically, I think blitzing on 4th-and-7 was the correct aggressive play. But it's hard to completely agree with the call since the blitz has been so ineffective. I'd like to think our blitz gets better next year with missiles like Ebner and Gachkar getting more familiar with the defense and more involved, but...we'll see.
* I've already seen other sites saying how Mizzou "choked" this game away. I just don't see it. We sucked in the first half, held it together, came back in the second half, and it became a "who gets the ball last?" situation. Todd Reesing outdueled Chase Daniel, KU played its best game of the year and won a big rivalry game at the last second...I guess I just reserve the word "choke" for more extreme situations than this.
* I can't give Todd Reesing enough credit for this effort. He was pretty damn mediocre the last couple of times I saw him play, but he was on tonight. What makes it more impressive is, we hit him...a lot.
* Chase Coffman = balls. A couple of times, instead of trying to slow down once he started running, he just fell down. He was clearly in pain...about half-speed...and he caught six balls and 2 TDs. I'm really gonna miss the Flying Nunchuk. Clearly he's not going to be 100% next week (for the second straight Big 12 title game), but I just hope he's healed for the bowl game...just so I get one last chance to watch him fly around.
* I wrote a lot about 2009 earlier this week, and I'm at least partially optimistic about Mizzou's chances thanks to the OL and Derrick Washington...but obviously Reesing/Briscoe/Meier (and Stuckey) will have something to say about that.
* Does this mean we can retire the gold jerseys?
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Context, amigo
You choked from a Texas fan’s perspective. No commentary on the actual game itself.
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by PB @ BON on Nov 29, 2008 9:59 PM CST 0 recs
Oh I know...
…but I know that’s what a lot of people (mostly Mizzou fans, honestly) probably think…and since I’m refusing to visit other Mizzou sites for the time being, you got the link. :-)
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by The Boy on
Nov 29, 2008 10:02 PM CST
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Fair enough
We Texas fans may be counting on you guys in KC next week, so unless it’s TX-MU…. Good luck.
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by PB @ BON on
Nov 29, 2008 10:09 PM CST
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Obviously we're hoping for Tech...
…but with the number of stupid bounces OU’s gotten tonight, that’s not going to happen. Between you and OU…hell, it might as well be you guys. I’m not confident either way obviously.
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by The Boy on
Nov 29, 2008 10:10 PM CST
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yup...
…it’s gonna be OU. Ugh.
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by The Boy on
Nov 29, 2008 11:00 PM CST
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No full thoughts...
I was on the second row and too close to the action for any kind of serious analysis, and I don’t particularly feel like going back through the tape, especially if Lapham was as bad as you indicated in the Live Thread.
Commence bullet points:
- That was as flat a first half as I’ve seen from this team in a LONG time. I’m not counting Texas, since the team looked shell-shocked in Austin, but I just mean this from an inspiration standpoint. They looked generally lethargic and uninspired.
- During the first half, I said out loud, “Chase Daniel is hurting this football team’s chance to win.” Take a moment for that to sink in.
- I’m not informed enough to properly assign blame, but it sure looked to me like Justin Garrett continues to get lost on the field when the ball goes into the air.
- Kerry Meier was absolutely the best player on the field. I’ll give props to Reesing for keeping plays alive, but it was pathetic how many open outlets he had when he did so.
- Missouri could be in some trouble in the red zone next year without Chase Coffman. D-Wash is going to have to fight through some stout fronts inside the 20s.
- To answer the day’s hot topic, I thought the gold actually looked alright in person, but looked awful on the highlights. And this is coming from someone who was staunchly in the anti-gold faction.
- To respond to you: Is 9-3 a failure? Yes and no. The only way this season would have been a true failure would have been if Mizzou squandered the North. But fans are falling victim to the burden of expectation. Can we be sad at what could have been? Absolutely. But is it OK to be proud despite the disappointment. Damn straight it is.
by rptgwb on Nov 29, 2008 11:49 PM CST 0 recs
just a few bullet points as well...
not that I’ll figure out how to make it all fancy and I will quickly progress to random thoughts…
- I also thought the gold jerseys looked great in person, but I am also staying away from the video tape. I’ll agree that this was an interesting time to bring them out, but I do think they should be given another shot sometime. I saw several fans who had already bought their own.
-Although it did snow a lot, the temperature really wasn’t terrible and far better than last year. If it stays in that range as the early forecasts are showing it could be decent weather this weekend and no snow currently in the forecast…
-I had not watched a game from the endzone in I don’t know how long, but the view from 111 row 25 was solid and we had the added entertainment value of a HAMMERED old lady who kept dropping things, including her cell phone which she left on the ground for at least 15 minutes while it got waterlogged…
-Although there were certainly not 79,000 fans in attendance the crowd was better than I expected and the high endzone sections that started out empty filled in a decent amount by the second half. The 79,00+ attendance figure is especially interesting when I just saw that the Arrowhead site says this year’s capacity is 77,038.
-Parking and traffic at Arrowhead SUCKS, especially this year with the “New Arrowhead” construction. If you are headed to the Big XII Championship get there as early as you can. Since we will be back at least four more years I think MUPD needs to lend their post game traffic expertise in the future. Per this site, parking lots will open up five hours before kick off again this week.
-The Power and Light District is a good time. I had not been back since last year’s game when only two establishments were open. The rally had a great turn out and I was surprised and impressed to see Chancellor Deaton a) there and b) very fired up. The video board was impressive and well used throughout the rally. They really have a great lineup of bars, and really something for everyone. The ability to take drinks between venues is also nice.
-I thought the Chiefs/Arrowhead folks did a solid job bringing the big game feel to it once again, and I’m slowly warming up to the idea of this game staying there as a new tradition, BUT that could change in five minutes…
-Let the record show that this is probably my longest. post. ever.
by pehs on
Dec 1, 2008 12:10 AM CST
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longest ever!
Well done, pehs!
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by The Boy on
Dec 1, 2008 12:15 AM CST
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If you had told me we would've scored 37 points
..I would’ve thought “ballgame”. Three things stood out to me.
-That munchkin Reesing dancing all over creation to buy time for himself. Not only did he miraculously avoid about a half dozen sacks, he then got completions nearly every single time.
-Carl Gettis had the worst game I’ve ever seen him play. I honestly didn’t think about the possibility of us losing the game until Briscoe torched him on 3rd and 12 to open the 2nd half.
-Why in the great blue sea was Garrett lined up on Kerry Meier the entire forsaken game? He caught the ball FOURTEEN times, stop putting the weakest coverage link on the field(I’d probably prefer both linebackers to him, especially on a non-burner like Meier) against the guy who’s making every catch.
by Transmogrified Tiger on Nov 30, 2008 1:02 AM CST 0 recs
Maybe this will be received poorly...
this being the Border War and all, but I just wanted to say great game.
The second half was one of the best halves of football you’ll ever see from both sides, and it was an absolutely incredible game.
So, yeah, I just wanted to say congratulations on a good game.
And good luck next week in the Big 12 Championship Game. I really want to see the mass chaos that would ensue if you guys win, and all of the arguments and such that would be spewed, so I am semi-rooting for you…. ;)
Rambling aside, great game today and good luck next week.
by rockchalk on Nov 30, 2008 1:45 AM CST 0 recs
Result aside...
That was the most thrilling college football game I’ve ever had a chance to see in person.
Can someone please hire away the fat man?
by rptgwb on
Nov 30, 2008 9:41 AM CST
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Agreed. Between the weather
(which sucked and was perfect, all at the same time), the momentum swings, the excitement of the fans and the players…
The only thing that kept this from being a perfect game was the outcome. And, that’s life. This game WAS College Football, except that it wasn’t on campus. What more could anyone have asked for?
I juggle one handed, do some magic tricks and do the best imitation of myself.
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by Andy--01 on
Nov 30, 2008 1:51 PM CST
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Sigh. again.
My sobering thought about this Mizzou team is, who is the best team we’ve beaten this season? Nebraska? Kansas wouldn’t have been the greatest feather to put in our cap, but at least then our only two losses would have been to ranked teams with darn good records. As The Boy points out, a win next week will wipe it all away, and it’s nice to have that opportunity. But I give us maybe a 15 percent chance of pulling it out. I suppose it’s better than no chance, but this has the makings of another 56-31 game. Man, I hope this negative vibe wears off between now and Saturday.
by Southside on Nov 30, 2008 2:21 AM CST 0 recs
Disappointment? Yes, you could say that
We started the season a top-10 team, with visions of BCS bowls dancing in our heads. Now with Turkey Day closing, we have three loses, one an incredibly embarrasing one on a national stage to the only top tier team we’ve played all season (Texas), and two more that we should have won if it weren’t for mental miscues (Oklahoma State) and only playing one half of football (Kansas).
Part of me would love to see Oklahoma secure the Big 12 South bid and have a rematch with the Sooners in a vain hope that we could somehow avenge last seasons loss in the Big 12 Championship game. However, with the inconsistent play the Tigers have shown all season long (do you remember the pathetic attempts against Buffalo and Baylor?), this would obviously fall in the “be careful what you wish for” department.
Granted, any Missouri team that wins nine ballgames by the end of November before 2007 would have been welcomed with open arms. But last year changed the status quo, and hungry Mizzou fans and alumni are now poised and ready for greater things. This season had all the right mix – returning starters, easy schedule (and don’t for one minute pretend that it wasn’t a cupcake schedule in the Tigers favor – the only game that presented a challenge was Texas. The others were all easily winable). To be 9-3 and staring 9-4 in the face, and ready to go to Holiday Bowl or Alamo Bowl is extremely disappointing. Yes, I’ll be cheering my butt off Saturday night, and I’ll be yelling like a lunatic and praying to God in the hopes that He is actually a Tiger fan somehow and will allow the mighty Mizzou to pull off a miracle. But sitting on the edge of a broken season, it’s not so much that we’ve accomplished more than Mizzou normally does…it’s what this team should have, but didn’t, do.
by brik on Nov 30, 2008 2:27 PM CST 0 recs
since everybody else has been too much of a pussy to criticize pinkel and his staff...
I think I will take the opportunity to do so. So lets take a look at some previous losses. Take a look at last year’s Big XII Championship. The final result ou 38 mu 17. Missouri drove down the field the entire first half and only came away with three field goals and a touchdown. On one drive where it looked as if missouri may take control we got stopped at the one yard line. So its first down and one from the 1 yard line and of course we are in the shotgun formation with five wide receivers we run a draw on the two insuing plays and both get stuffed for losses of several yards. Then mizzou settles for a field goal on what looked like a drive for an easy touchdown. Solution? Create a goal line formation like any other division 1 team has and push the ball in the end zone. Listen to Lee’s Corso, you don’t have to use rocket science when you’re near the endzone, just good execution. In his 7 year tenure here at the university of missouri, gary pinkel has not recruited a single fullback. A fb can push ahead for those 1 or 2 yards you need because he constantly falls forward. The first lost this year of course came to oklahoma state. On our first trip to the redzone, Missouri again visits the goal line but has no way to get the ball in the endzone. If somethings not working fix the goddamn thing. What is the result of the game? another loss. But this one can also be blamed on the job of the defensive back coach. Twice in the game the corners were burnt for touchdowns. TWICE. As a national level football program this is not acceptable. However every fan knew there was a problem at the beginning of the year when illinois puts up 42 points and juice williams looks like a heisman candidate. It seemed in that game there was not even a secondary out there to cover the pass. Solution? Fire the defensive coordinator. He’s a joke and an embarrassment to the program. However i would like to remind gary pinkel that if he needs some new cornerbacks, now would be the time to recruit some. Also I want everybody to know that our best corner, Kevin Rutland stands on the sidelines while castine bridges gets burnt for several touchdowns. Bridges is nowhere near fast enough to play corner and the only thing hes good for is stopping the run. Solution? Move Bridges to linebacker. Oh wait im sorry hes a senior and im sorry we didn’t find that out before this year. Remember early in the 4th quarter in the game against Kansas State before they started running draws for 90 yards? Rutland was substituted in and guess what happens? He picks off a pass…hmm you put the man in for a few minutes and he already gets an interception. Why exactly is he not playing all the time? I’m just going to skip the texas game, missouri was completely and utterly dominated on offense and defense. However yesterdays game may have been a shocker to hundreds of thousands of mizzou fans. Guess what, it wasn’t to me. I knew not fixing the problem would come back to haunt us and just about every time kansas scored a touchdown the receiver was not even touched. Nice defense coach. And remember when there was 30 seconds left, kansas with the ball near the 20 4th down and 7 mizzou is leading 37-33 and we get burnt right up the middle (again) for a touchdown and lose the game. Solution? Um anybody out there? plz help wheres my free safety Oh he’s covering a receiver..i guess i’ll just blitz everybody anyway. The defensive coordinator is a J.O.K.E.!!!
I’m not an angry fan, i am offering positive criticism for the football team i love and have had season tickets to every season since corby jones was quarterback. I know how to win football games and yes I will be a coach after i finish school. And i don’t want anybody to think our problem this year has been the offense, besides the situation on the goal line our offense has been great. But i sure do hope our coaches have found out by now that there are other formations than the shotgun. Thats all i have to say. Good luck and god help us against the sooners. we’ll need it
by dhartley987 on Nov 30, 2008 5:04 PM CST 0 recs
Couple of things to refute:
n his 7 year tenure here at the university of missouri, gary pinkel has not recruited a single fullback. A fb can push ahead for those 1 or 2 yards you need because he constantly falls forward.
So Missouri’s failure against Kansas is solely the result of a lack of a fullback? Not Chase Daniel playing extremely subpar in the first half? Not receivers dropping passes? And was having a fullback going to change the fact that the OU defense was faster sideline-to-sideline that the Missouri receivers in the Big 12 title game last year? Would a fullback have kept a pass from richocheting from Matin Rucker’s hands straight into Curtis Lofton’s?
Listen to Lee’s Corso, you don’t have to use rocket science when you’re near the endzone, just good execution.
Words never spoken on this site.
He (Eberflus) is a joke and an embarrassment to the program.
I’ll agree that Eberflus deserves a fair share of the blame for the Kansas loss, but an “embarassment to the program?” Do you remember where this program comes from? I’d think that a program that suffered the way it did in the 1980s and early 1990s would have a higher standard for embarassment. Eberflus is the same man who engineered a near-shutout of McFadden and Jones in the Cotton Bowl. Again, I’m not saying Eberflus isn’t at some fault here, but at some point, players have got to make plays.
I wish I had access to the play calls to understand exactly what the assigments were. I was two rows up in the end zone where most of Kansas’ TDs occured. After one of the long TDs over the middle, William Moore absolutely chewed out Justin Garrett, appearing to call him out for a missed assignment (I assume from Garrett’s body language).
However i would like to remind gary pinkel that if he needs some new cornerbacks, now would be the time to recruit some.
Don’t forget that the 2008 recruting class, in addition to producing a great looking safety for the future (Kenji Jackson), included Kip Edwards and Robert Steeples. Pinkel preserved the redshirts, so judging their aptitudes at this point may be premature.
Also I want everybody to know that our best corner, Kevin Rutland stands on the sidelines while castine bridges gets burnt for several touchdowns.
Kevin Rutland is Mizzou’s best corner? That might be news to Carl Gettis. I’ll agree with you that the “other” CB spot opposite Gettis has been somewhat troublesome this year, but I think calling Rutland the unquestioned solution may be a matter of debate. Carson Coffman probably deserves as much credit for Rutland’s pick as Rutland himself does.
by rptgwb on
Nov 30, 2008 5:37 PM CST
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hmm
I don’t believe i said anything about the lack of a full back effecting the kansas game, however i did mention it for the oklahoma game and oklahoma state game and i am clearly not basing anything solely upon this. This is just one of the many problems with our team that MUST be fixed if you want to build a powerhouse. You must be able to score when you have a first down inside the 5 yard line. Please name me one team in the history of Division 1 that has won a national championship without some use of a larger running back. Maybe there is one but i want you to find it for me. Also i guess it is just fine with you to watch the missouri defense get burnt on every other pass play. I guess you’re right eberflus isn’t an embarassment to the program, he’s an embarrassment to college football. You can argue all day long about who’s the best corner, but the fact is that the problem we have known about all year and had several practice games to do something about has not been fixed
by dhartley987 on
Nov 30, 2008 11:49 PM CST
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I'm not trying to be antagonizing
I thought you’d referenced the Kansas game in your fullback argument. I agree with you that there’s a certain manner of stubbornness with which some of the staff uses to approach certain facets of the game (i.e.: goalline formations), but I generally tend to fall more heavily into the “execution” camp. How different is the 2007 Big 12 Championship if Chase Coffman is full speed? Over the last two years, Mizzou is a completely different offense in the red zone with him healthy rather than hobbled. Sure, a fullback might help your cause, but you’ve recruited an offensive line best suited to spreading the field, relying on athleticism and baiting teams into overcommitting on misdirection. That gets a lot tougher in the red zone, but I’m not sure this line is suited to smashmouth football anywhere on the field.
As for Eberflus, I’m not sure how defending him as “an embarrassment to the program” equals me being “just fine with watching the Missouri defense get burnt on every other pass play.” The guy’s had a rough year, no doubt, but in the grand scheme of things, I’m not sure that coordinating a unit on a two-time division championship team qualifies as an embarrassment to a program that’s been subject to as much failure as Mizzou has.
His unit has had all kinds of struggles this year, a lot of them he should have fixed. You and I are on the same page in that regard. But, while it’s undoubtedly a “what have you done for me lately” business, I’m cursed with the big picture. One year ago, he shut down a prolific Tech unit, contained a dangerous Kansas unit for three quarters, and knocked around one of the best rushing duos of the last decade in the Cotton Bowl. If anything, he may have trusted his players too much by exposing his secondaries with the blitzes. I’m not sure – I haven’t done an autopsy since the Illinois game. Eberflus never found the right balance of aggressiveness and containment this year.
I think more than anything, our difference of viewpoints is just a matter of coaching vs. execution. Both deserve blame, no doubt. I’m just of the opinion that good execution makes average coaches look great and bad execution can make great coaches look awful. Ask Charlie Weis how his “decided schematic advantage” is working without the players to utilize it.
by rptgwb on
Dec 1, 2008 12:19 AM CST
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you will have a hard time convincing me you are not angry
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by The Beef on
Dec 2, 2008 10:19 AM CST
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Staff does share blame
I’m not ready to give Pinkel and the rest of the staff a pass on this season – obviously they’ve made poor decisions as much as the players have poorly executed at times (to err is human – if they played perfectly every game they’d be robots and we’d all be trying to wake up from the Matrix). That’s partly why this season has been so disappointing, the underachieving of this entire team is overly frustrating. But to lay the entire season’s failure to deliver on the feet of the coaching staff is ridiculous.
I think the point we are all missing is Pinkel is still BUILDING a winner at Mizzou. As much as I bleed Black and Gold, Columbia was not Norman or Gainesville. It suffered 14 consecutive seasons without sniffing a bowl game. It had, and in some circles still does, have a reputation as a basketball school. There will be bumps in the road here and there. The overwhelming feeling of anxiety that Tiger Nation feels because Chase Daniel will be gone after the season has caused everyone to think that 2008 was our last, best hope for a national championship and/or BCS bowl. If Pinkel is doing his job, and I honestly think the man and the staff he’s assembled in Columbia has done an outstanding job unparalled in college football (second only to Bill Snyder’s revival in Kansas State when he first arrived in 1989), life will not only go on for Missouri in 2009 and beyond, but it’ll be better.
Yeah, I’m as pissed as anyone else that we lost to the Chickenhawks, especially when we decided not to show up for the first half. And yeah, I’m ticked this season resulted in three losses, when our schedule was so cream puff you’d have thought it was in a bakery. But blaming the man who has turned around expectations in Missouri fateful from also-rans into contenders isn’t an option. Instead, focus all the frustation of the Kansas loss on the Sooners. We need as much motivation as we can get for that game.
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