Mizzou finally has its opponent
by rptgwb
on Nov 30, 2008 3:44 PM CST
in Mizzou Football 2008
Sure, the photo is old and Chris Simms isn't exactly at Texas anymore, but the sentiment from the BCS remains the same.
Missouri becomes America's team this week as it tries to set the BCS world aflame, taking on Oklahoma next Saturday at Arrowead for the Big 12 Title.
And, don't forget: 2003 Kansas State.
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it would be oh so sweet if mizzou won
but it’s not going to happen. period.
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2008 4:42 PM CST 0 recs
I'll be honest
I’m mad at Missouri for losing. That alone might have caused the Horns to lose the tiebreaker. And I have little faith that you guys will beat OU.
But… good luck. If there’s ever a time for Chase Daniel to look like the championship QB he was at SLC, the time is now. Right now.
by TheElusiveShadow on Nov 30, 2008 5:01 PM CST 0 recs
don't be bitter
texas fans are looking for anyone to take this out on. it’s not anyone’s fault but the system’s.
by stlcardinalsfang on
Nov 30, 2008 5:08 PM CST
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So, Missouri losing is why OU won the tiebreaker?
They both played kU, so you’re saying that MU + CU is weaker than K-State + NU? Or, maybe it’s because Cincy + TCU >>>> FAU, UTEP, Ark & Rice (Pick 2). I’ll give you credit for UA, no one expected them to be this wretched, but it’s not like Rice and UTEP are traditionally good teams.
But, it was 9-3 Missouri losing to 7-5 Kansas that kept Texas from being ranked above OU….
Look, Missouri certainly does not have a tough OCC schedule, but we’re also not 3 years removed from a Nat’l Championship.
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by Andy--01 on
Nov 30, 2008 6:44 PM CST
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There are many reasons OU got the computer bump in the end
Mizzou losing to Kansas
Colorado losing to Nebraska
Arkansas playing in a decent conference while Cinci plays in the crap Big East. I’m not saying I think Arkansas would win if they played each other, but I think it would be a good game, and could go either way.
by Texas Wahoo on
Dec 1, 2008 2:39 PM CST
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The biggest reason, though...
…was simply that OU played and beat OSU on the road, while UT beat ATM at home.
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by The Boy on
Dec 1, 2008 3:50 PM CST
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Certainly - but that's just the last week of the season
Both teams played A&M and OSU. The biggest reason is probably that OU was ahead of Texas after Texas lost to Tech and before OU had played any of the other good teams in conference. Sure, Texas jumped back over them briefly before the Tech game, but that was just temporary.
by Texas Wahoo on
Dec 1, 2008 4:02 PM CST
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Right, but...
…that’s still what made the difference between last week’s rankings and this week’s.
Honestly, here’s what I wish: I wish the BCS were unveiled like the NCAA tourney bracket. The week-to-week jockeying and politicking is disgusting to watch.
For instance, this probably isn’t what you want to hear, but it’s clear that UT made up ground in the human polls because of the fact that Mack Brown was on every ESPN outlet speaking his team’s case this week (you can’t say they made up ground in the polls after clobbering ATM…when OU beat a Top 15 team by 20 on the road), and that everybody and their mother was sending out e-mails directly to voters, and a lot of voters responded to the attention.
Once the pollsters stop ranking teams according to how they think the teams should be ranked and start responding to politicking, or bumping teams down further so that their vote will have a bigger impact, the less integrity an already-low-on-integrity system ends up having. I just wish the computer aspect of the polling was kept in a closet until after the conference championship games so that the votes would simply do their job, and not try to alter their votes to account for what the computers are saying.
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by The Boy on
Dec 1, 2008 4:41 PM CST
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I know
I am not counting you guys out in shape or fashion. The game being played in Arrowhead kind of scares me just enough to feel a very little bit nervous.
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by Jubanator14 on Nov 30, 2008 7:48 PM CST 0 recs
BS, not BCS
Old joke, but it applies. Texas should be Big 12 South champion. They beat Oklahoma in their head-to-head meeting. We’ll keep having these lame discussions every year until we develop a playoff system…but that’ll never happen, so each year the BCS will screw someone over, like Mizzou was screwed by the BCS last year by selecting Kansas for the Orange Bowl instead.
But, this is what I wanted. Oklahoma ruined our chances at a national title last year by embarrasing the Tigers in San Antonio. Hopefully, we can return the favor with a win in Kansas City.
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by brik on Nov 30, 2008 8:11 PM CST 0 recs
each year the BCS will screw someone over, like Mizzou was screwed by the BCS last year by selecting Kansas for the Orange Bowl instead.
The difference being that Texas is all but assured of getting a BCS bid anyway.
by rptgwb on
Nov 30, 2008 8:30 PM CST
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I agree that the discussions will continue until there's a playoff...
…but there was a THREE-WAY TIE for the South, all three teams went 1-1 versus each other. In essence, everybody who says “Texas beat Oklahoma, the end” ignores Tech…because of how badly OU beat them. That’s insane. If OU had beaten Tech 38-35, people would still be considering Tech a worthy team, and this “OU vs UT is all that matters” argument wouldn’t exist. But since OU positively embarrassed Tech (the team who…last I checked…beat Texas), Tech was disqualified from the conversation. Ridiculous. OU is getting punished for losing to a top team, just like Mizzou was last year.
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by The Boy on
Nov 30, 2008 10:27 PM CST
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Exactly
I had this same thought before reading your post. The logic that some folks are using goes like this: Sure, it’s a three-way tie, but Tech shouldn’t get considered because they got humiliated by Oklahoma. That leaves Texas and Oklahoma, and Texas won head-to-head, so Texas should get the nod.
Of course, that means that Oklahoma took themselves out of consideration by destroying Tech. Let that one marinate in your mind.
The argument is unresolvable under the current system. Every time we create a rule to fix a past injustice, some new and heretofore unfathomable problem comes along. When three teams from the same division end up 11-1 (7-1) you’re hosed no matter what you do (short of an eight or sixteen team playoff).
by Michael Atchison on
Dec 1, 2008 1:26 PM CST
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Except all of the other conferences have already fixed the "heretofore unfathomable problem"
They use head to head if the top two teams in the BCS are within 5 BCS spots of each other. So I’m not sure it’s quite as unfathomable as you think.
by Texas Wahoo on
Dec 1, 2008 2:37 PM CST
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even with that rule, you'd still have a 3 way tie
Oklahoma is 2nd and Texas Tech is 7th, so you have 3 teams within 5 spots of each other.
by leghumpingjihadkiller on
Dec 1, 2008 2:42 PM CST
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You didn't read the rule
If the top two teams are within 5 of each other, you go to the head to head between the top two teams (not the third team, no matter where they are).
by Texas Wahoo on
Dec 1, 2008 4:03 PM CST
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But in the end...
…you’re still using BCS rankings to determine a champion. I really don’t see how that ends up being any more fair…other than maybe a different team gets screwed instead of yours. I mean, maybe you guys don’t get screwed if they tinker with the tiebreaker, but somebody still does, right? All three teams went 11-1 and beat each other, so that’s an unwinnable situation no matter what…
Oh, and I love Mike Leach’s idea: the final tie-breaker should be graduation rates. Granted, he’s probably just saying that because it favors Tech, but I think it would be awesome to incorporate those…
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by The Boy on
Dec 1, 2008 3:53 PM CST
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In the end, it comes down to Tech overachieving this year and killing us
If Nebraska wins that OT game or Baylor can finish out the game this weekend, the argument is over – Texas goes. I don’t expect this to happen again as I expect Tech to fall off some without Crabtree and Harrell.
by Texas Wahoo on
Dec 1, 2008 4:10 PM CST
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no doubt
I know exactly why Texas feels screwed in this situation—if that were Mizzou, I’d be heartbroken—but I just know that a) when you lose (even by the slimmest of margins), you open up the door for getting screwed like this, and b) as I said before, when three teams are 11-1 in the same division, two teams are getting screwed no matter what the criteria for breaking ties ends up being.
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by The Boy on
Dec 1, 2008 4:43 PM CST
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gotta wonder
how this would have shook out if Texas had racked up some style points in the 4th quarter instead of pulling McCoy out of the game.
by leghumpingjihadkiller on
Dec 1, 2008 4:12 PM CST
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They made up ground in the human polls already...
…and since they made the computer formulas take out ‘margin of victory’ as a component (to take “style points” out of the equation), it wouldn’t have done anything to the computers.
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by The Boy on
Dec 1, 2008 4:42 PM CST
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so each year the BCS will screw someone over, like Mizzou was screwed by the BCS last year by selecting Kansas for the Orange Bowl instead.
The BCS didn’t screw Mizzou over, the Orange Bowl selection committee did.
by leghumpingjihadkiller on
Nov 30, 2008 10:32 PM CST
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Mack attack
This may not be a bad move, once the dusts settles. Texas can back into the championship. Oklahoma is playing Mizzou in what has the perfect makings of a “trap” game…OU has everything to lose with a loss. Mizzou has literally no chance of winning if you listen to, oh basically everyone in the country outside of Columbia. If an overconfident OU stumbles in this perfect set-up (much like the Rams in the 2001 SuperBowl), then Texas will skip into the BCS championship without having to play that extra game, with additional rest for it’s players. It’s a gamble, but perhaps worth a shot?
This is assuming, of course, that Mack Brown thought Oklahoma was gonna leap frog him in the polls…
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by brik on
Dec 1, 2008 5:11 PM CST
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Appears that a lot of UT fans voted here, did Mack give you all a personal text or a phone call?
by scarab on Dec 1, 2008 11:29 PM CST 0 recs
I was promised $1,500 cash.
BON may have gotten out the vote, but I also think that there are a fair number of Mizzou fans that fall in the “Tech’s out of the picture, look at the OU/UT head-to-head” camp.
by rptgwb on
Dec 1, 2008 11:44 PM CST
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