Gary Pinkel vs OU, Texas, Don James and history (Part One)
Despite the disappointment of the last couple weeks of the 2008 season, it's clear by now that the Chase Daniel Years will be considered a high point in Mizzou history. Hopefully there are plenty more great years to come under Gary Pinkel, but when you cycle from one group of recruits to another, you never know for sure that success will follow.
Of all the success of the Chase Daniel Years, there's an interesting dichotomy in Mizzou's record from 2006-08, one that was driven home mercilessly this past weekend:
Chase Daniel versus Oklahoma and Texas: 0-5 (last two years: 0-4).
Chase Daniel versus everybody else: 29-6 (last two years: 21-2).
Missouri lost to both Oklahoma State and Kansas this year, and while both of those losses were painful and unexpected, it's clear that over the last three years, Missouri has been better than just about every team it played...except Oklahoma and Texas. Two me, that brings up two questions: 1) Can Missouri ever truly compete consistently with OU and Texas, and 2) If not, what should be expected of Gary Pinkel (or any other Missouri coach)? We'll cover Question 1 today, Question 2 hopefully tomorrow.
Can Missouri ever truly compete consistently with Oklahoma and Texas?
Let's re-visit a post I made back in May, called "Culture vs Caliber."
I had a theory a while back--and I never had the time/non-laziness to prove or disprove it--that building a sustained power is cyclical. And few programs from the mid-level of D1 (that would include, historically, us) have the resources, length of rope, or luck involved to actually crack through to the upper echelon and stay there. Think about how many not-historically-successful programs have emerged and threatened to break into that USC/Ohio State/Florida/Oklahoma/etc level over the past 10-15 years. There's Virginia Tech, and then there's...well...that's it. I guess you could count Kansas State (though they've obviously taken about 8 steps backwards in recent years), and I guess you could maybe count West Virginia or Louisville if you really wanted to, but only VT and K-State have cracked that Top 10 echelon in more than one recruiting cycle (meaning, the 4-5 years that a special, 'breakthrough' class of players attends a school) under the same coach (or branch of the coaching tree), and only VT is still there (I guess). Otherwise, that's about it.
...Honestly, it seems that the only way a program can jump to the upper echelon and stay there is in cycles. You recruit some kids who believe in what you can bring them, they succeed as upper-classmen, you parlay that success into higher-caliber recruits, you endure a down(ish) year or two when the last class cycles through and the high-upside youngsters are cutting their teeth, then you achieve even higher heights when those kids are upper-classmen...which leads to higher-caliber recruits, smaller down-periods, higher upside, etc. Sounds great, but honestly it just doesn't happen very often. Again, the list after Virginia Tech and K-state is pretty much nonexistent...and even then, Tech hasn't gotten back to a Title Game like they did in the Michael Vick years (though I guess they, like about 23 others teams, came relatively close last year), and K-State fell off of the relevance map as soon as Bill Snyder retired (actually, about a year or two before that--his recruiting had plummeted, and the writing was on the wall).
As with a lot of coaches, Gary Pinkel's recruiting cycles can basically be broken up into QB eras. The "Brad Smith" recruiting cycle brought Missouri back to bowl games, and the "Chase Daniel" recruiting cycle made Missouri a Top 25 program. The next cycle, be it the "Blaine Gabbert" cycle, the "Blaine Dalton/Ashton Glaser" cycle, or whatever, probably won't see as seamless a transition as the last one. There will likely be a drop-off of anywhere between two and four wins in 2009, but there will almost certainly be strong improvement in 2010 and 2011. Then comes another cycle, an so on.
To see how the idea of "cycles" works, look at Bill Snyder. Here are the 3-year moving averages for wins for Snyder.
| Moving averages for K-State under Bill Snyder |
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| 3-year span |
Avg. Wins |
Avg. Win % |
| 1989-91 | 4.3 | .394 |
| 1990-92 | 5.7 | .515 |
| 1991-93 | 7.0 | .632 |
| 1992-94 | 7.7 | .671 |
| 1993-95 | 9.3 | .792 |
| 1994-96 | 9.3 | .778 |
| 1995-97 | 10.0 | .833 |
| 1996-98 | 10.3 | .838 |
| 1997-99 | 11.0 | .892 |
| 1998-00 | 11.0 | .846 |
| 1999-01 | 9.3 | .737 |
| 2000-02 | 9.3 | .718 |
| 2001-03 | 9.3 | .700 |
| 2002-04 | 8.7 | .667 |
| 2003-05 | 6.7 | .541 |
First of all, you can really sort of see the "cycles" in that data. Second, rarely did K-State make a severe jump up or down. Really, starting in 1991-93, once Snyder had laid some of the groundwork, only twice did K-State go up or down more than 1.0 wins--up 1.6 wins between 1992-94 and 1993-95 and down 1.7 wins between 1998-00 and 1999-01. Most of the time it was just a steady crawl up (and then back down).
(And third of all, in this view you can see that Snyder's biggest accomplishment--the '03 Big 12 title--came when the program was already starting to slide. Just thought that was interesting.)
Naturally we should look at Gary Pinkel's tenure with the same approach.
| Moving averages for Mizzou under Gary Pinkel |
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| 3-year span |
Avg. Wins |
Avg. Win % |
| 2001-03 | 5.7 | .472 |
| 2002-04 | 6.0 | .500 |
| 2003-05 | 6.7 | .556 |
| 2004-06 | 6.7 | .556 |
| 2005-07 | 9.0 | .692 |
| 2006-08 | 9.7* | .725 |
* And counting.
First of all, it's certainly neat to see that if Mizzou can beat Northwestern in the Alamo Bowl, Mizzou will have averaged 10.0 wins a year for the last three seasons. Something to shoot for in San Antonio, I guess. (And with 8 wins in 2009, they can maintain that 10.0 average.) Second, despite the 2004 setback, it's important to note that the average win % has either remained steady or gone up every 3-year span. This is a much better way to look at a coach's progress than any one season's results.
It's also interesting to note how unheard-of the 2007 season was from a long-term standpoint. Whereas Bill Snyder's average never went up or down more than 2.0 wins, Mizzou jumped by 2.3 wins between 2004-06 and 2005-07 because of the 2007 season. It will probably be hard to maintain that level over the next few years without at least a slight step backwards, but it's certainly not impossible.
As nice a job as Pinkel has done here, Missouri is playing by a different set of rules, with a different set of standards, than the Oklahoma's and Texas's of the world. Here are the 3-year averages for Bob Stoops at Oklahoma: 10.3, 12.0, 11.7, 12.0, 10.7, 10.3, 10.0, 11.3. Gary Pinkel's best average is Stoops' worst. Bill Snyder's best averages (11.0 twice) would be 5th on Stoops' list.
Mack Brown's averages? 9.0, 9.7, 10.3, 10.7, 10.7, 11.3, 11.3, 11.0, 10.3. Brown's highest highs aren't quite to Stoops' level, but they're close. And once again, Pinkel's success would hardly register on Brown's scale, while Snyder's success would have been close to Brown's best success...only Brown has done it for most of a decade, not half a decade.
In the end, they're playing a different game in Norman and Austin, and as long as Bob Stoops and Mack Brown are there, chances are there will be no sustained drop-off anytime soon. Mizzou will rarely finish with a better record than either or both of those programs (though they did in 2007), but as long as they're finishing with a better record than their five competitors in the North, it doesn't necessarily matter all that much. Whether that will continue to happen will depend on the new batch of recruits that began to arrive when the last batch began to succeed. That's how the cycle works.
We may hope for 12-2 (or better) seasons every year, but that is pretty unprecedented at a second-tier BCS school. As I've mentioned plenty of times before, it's been nearly impossible for a team to break into that top tier. What should we expect from Gary Pinkel? What should we deem a "success" in Columbia? We'll look at that in Part Two.
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That's the most frustrating thing about college football
Success is so tightly tied to history and resources that it really stands as the most dynastic of games. It’s much more likely that Texas and/or OU make a misstep and fall back to the pack for some time than it is for anyone else to rise up for a sustained period. Given where the program was when he got here, and where our competition stands right now, I think the fairest measuring stick for Pinkel is Big 12 North success. If you can dominate the North (or at least become the best program, short of domination), you give yourself a puncher’s chance to make it to the BCS.
by Michael Atchison on Dec 15, 2008 1:49 PM CST reply actions
Great piece
And it should be required reading for all Mizzou incoming freshman (along with some historical Mizzou basketball/football books).
Gary has done an excellent job moving the program forward (regardless of what people think/say about his coaching skills). We can’t expect to erase decades worth of history in a decade alone – it will take more time than that for Ole Mizzou.
However, I think if Gary can get this program into the 10-wins a season mark for a decade we can definitely look at making that jump. We’re still talking a couple years down the line, and it would require more Maclin-type recruiting wins for Missouri (which would hurt Texas/Oklahoma a bit as well – another thing that could really help us is a Nebraska and/or shudders a kU winning that recruiting battle every once in a while over a Texas/Oklahoma. On second thought, let’s just eliminate “a kU” from that sentence and put in “a KSU”.
I would think that a bi-product of the North division being so weak is that the higher skilled players are accepting scholarship offers from Texas, Oklahoma and Texas Tech instead of the Nebraska’s of the world (CU, KSU’s). The thing is though – Mizzou is still in prime position to win the mantle of best team to play for in the Big XII North. The team that wins that battle with win many of those coveted recruits in the future (assuming the Big XII North gains wins across the board in the recruiting arena in the future – and decreases the overall strength of the South, Big Ten/11 and the SEC)!
I agree, except for one thing ...
… I’d much rather lose 62-21 every year to Tex-ahoma as long as kU is sh*tty. Sorry, I just can’t stand losing to them. If there’s a team in the North winning recruiting battles with OU and UT, then I want it to be us. Until we’re two or three steps above everyone else in the north, then I don’t want them to win any recruiting battles against anyone.
My pyramid is this:
1) Beat kU
2) Bowl game
3) Win the North
4) Dominate the North
5) Worry about the South
Was once caught putting at night ... with the 15-year old daughter of the dean
by mitch cumstein on Dec 15, 2008 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
mine...
1) Win the North
2) Bowl game
3) Dominate the North
4) Beat KU
5) Worry about the South
Actually, I’d throw “Eventually actually win the Big 12” into that #2 slot…
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Thrust nunchuk upward!
The great thing about it is...
… and I think you’ve mentioned this before, as long as you dominate the North, you only have to be better than the South’s best team for 60 minutes. Weirder things have happened.
The important thing is putting yourself in position to get that chance, which is why the North is priority one through five.
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well...
1. Beat KU (alway priority #1, no matter what)
2. Maintain bowl presence (Texas bowls preferred)
3. Win the North
4. Dominate the North
5. Win B12 Championship
6. Dominate the B12
Dunno how you can have bowl game after winning the North. You’ll be in a bowl long before winning the North.
It's very
frustrating for a fan/alum of a non-traditional power. Mizzou, like Texas Tech, had a pretty sketchy history except for unsustained runs here and there prior to Pinkel’s arrival. We have the Leach affect. I completely agree that it’s more likely that an /OU or UT would fall back to the masses before anyone settles in among the thin air at the top. I’ve resigned myself to the “it’s the way it is” philosophy. I’ll enjoy our little run, but harbor no misguided thoughts that we’ve now “arrived.” It’s not being a bad fan, it’s just reality. Of course, having to play those guys every year makes it that much harder to compete and recruit against.
I’m pretty okay with being top 25 and going to a decent bowl every year. Every once in a while, the blind squirrel finds the nut and has a year like this. That’s cool, too.
This season was the funnest, yet most stressful I’ve ever experienced. Being in the national title hunt after nine weeks was great, but I don’t think I’d last five years with that sort of anxiety every Saturday. Maybe you get used to it…
Good stuff
Bill Snyder always said that there’s no blueprint, no magic formula. You just get a little better every day, every season, every year. That’s what it takes for a non-traditional-power team.
Now we just need to get K-State, Nebraska and Colorado back into shape and we’ll be competing with the South again in no time. And it’s just as easy as saying that.
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
Stray Cats
Geez, what the hell does Bill Snyder know? He only single handedly built the worst college football team in recent memory into a consistent top twenty program with as much financial backing as a small Girl Scout troop – BEFORE the cookie drive, mind you – only to see it tank back into obscurity once he took retirement.
"Wherever you go, there you are" - Buckaroo Bonzai
So...
If things go in the tank for three years after Pinkel leaves, this means we can have him come back, right?
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Only...
…if you happen to have an A.D. who’s not really an A.D. at the time.
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
Don't you know?
Pinkel won’t leave – HE’S ONE OF US NOW.
"Wherever you go, there you are" - Buckaroo Bonzai
Great post...puts things in perspective
I’ve tried to remind myself of all of this the last two years. You always hear about programs who are ‘trying to turn the corner’ and ‘compete with the big boys’ only to see many of them disappointed in the end. Truth is, it is very, very difficult for any school that doesn’t have the tradition and built in recruiting power of the big boys to truly break the mold. The last two years I’ve seen a Mizzou football team that was very good last year and good this year…but not good enough to bring in the kind of recruits on the offensive and defensive lines to compete with the likes of Oklahoma and Texas.
Honestly, that is why last year was our real shot. Think about it, Mizzou was one half from playing in the BCS championship. It is really remarkable if you sit back and think about it. When is the last time a team that wasn’t a college football powerhouse even played in a game with national championship implications? I imagine it has been quite a while and we were on the cusp of getting into that game.
I remain optimistic about Mizzou football…but I also want to set the bar realistically. I don’t expect Pinkel to create a program that will consistantly compete with OU and Texas. However, I do think Pinkel can foster a program that consistantly competes for a Big 12 North Title and that every once and a while fields a team that may have national aspirations if the cards fall the right way. I’d say that is reasonable. For this to happen, the next 2 or 3 years will be critical.

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