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Mizzou 25: Coaches Edition (Quarterfinal #4)

UPDATE: Called after 62 votes.  Pinkel wins big (a little bigger than I'd have guessed), 83%-16%.

It's on to the Quarterfinals in the Mizzou 25 Coaches Edition, the tournament to determine who was the best, most likable, most influential Mizzou coach in the last 25 years!  We rounded through an upset-free first round, and we'll hopefully see a little more competition in the second.  Click here for the bracket.

5/14: 1 Norm Stewart vs 8 Joann Rutherford
5/15: 4 The Kreklows vs 5 Rick McGuire
5/16: 3 Brian Smith vs 6 Gene McArtor
5/17: 2 Gary Pinkel vs 7 Tim Jamieson

2 Gary Pinkel vs 7 Tim Jamieson

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2001-present

1995-present

Career Record at Mizzou:
49-37

Five Best Seasons:
2002 - 5-7
2003 - 8-5 (Independence Bowl)
2005 - 7-5 (Independence Bowl)
2006 - 8-5 (Sun Bowl)
2007 - 12-2 (Cotton Bowl)

Career Record at Mizzou:
476-325-2

Five Best Seasons:
1996 - 39-19, 0-2 NCAA Regional
2003 - 36-22, 1-2 NCAA Regional
2005 - 40-23, 1-2 NCAA Regional
2006 - 35-28, NCAA Regional Champs
2007 - 42-17, 2-2 NCAA Regional

Gary Pinkel has survived all the peaks and valleys a coach can see and has come out the better for it.  After three seasons of steady progress, the bottom fell out for Mizzou in 2004, and a 5-6 season left Pinkel's tenure on the rocks.  Since then, Mizzou has gone from 7 to 8 to 12 wins, earning its first #1 ranking in 47 years late in 2007.  Mizzou will start the 2008 season in the Top 10, and Pinkel's slow-but-steady grind toward success has won over Mizzou fans, to say the least. Like Gary Pinkel, Tim Jamieson struggled a few years into his coaching tenure before righting the ship in a major way.  Just looking at his career record (441-308-2 heading into 2008) doesn't cut it.  Under Jamieson, Mizzou averaged a 36-21 record between 1996-99 before struggling at the turn of the decade.  However, they've averaged 38 wins a season since 2003 and found themselves ranked #2 in the country a few weeks into the 2008 season.
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Who wins?
Gary Pinkel
67 votes
Tim Jamieson
15 votes

82 votes | Poll has closed

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the narrative for Pinkel is wrong

by JayC on May 17, 2008 6:40 PM CDT   0 recs

LOL!

Whoops.  Fixed.  Copy-pasted the table template too quickly this time.

by The Boy on May 17, 2008 8:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's got to be Jamieson

Pinkel has one great year and all of a sudden he's better than a baseball coach who has had his team in the NCAA tournament three years (soon to be four) running? Please. I know everyone is high on football right now, but let's not forget how Pinkel took a preseason-ranked team and finished 5-6, including a loss to nobody Troy on national television. Pinkel is not a better coach than Jamieson. Period. End of story. And anyone who votes for Pinkel is subscribing to the idea that one good year in which his players essentially did everything makes up for years of bad play calls, stupid decisions and wasting some of the most phenomenal talent Mizzou has ever had (see: Brad Smith, Brian Smith, et al). If that's your cup of tea, go for it. But I remember when Pinkel SHOULD have been run off this campus. Don't let one outstanding season taint your view of his body of work, which is at best mediocre.

by ghtd36 on May 18, 2008 10:49 AM CDT   0 recs

Tell us how you really think. :-)

I love Jamieson, but my response would be that Tim Jamieson's team was supposed to finish much higher than #4 in the Big 12 this year.  This was supposed to be a conference title contender, but even if we sweep Nebraska, we still won't do any better than 4th.  They underachieved in 2006 as well, barely qualifying for the NCAA tourney before making a nice NCAA Regional run to offset the disappointment of the regular season.  He's had plenty of underachieving on his watch as well.

Both Jamieson and Pinkel are both 'long-term' program builders, meaning their abilities at laying the foundation for a program and doing things the right way over the long haul offset the fact that they don't necessarily have elite-level gameday coaching abilities.  As I mentioned in my 'culture vs caliber' post a couple weeks ago, guys like Bill Snyder and Frank Beamer fit this mold (plus, really, Mike Krzyzewski).  Give me that coach over a 'quick fix and leave for a better job in two years' coach any day.

by The Boy on May 18, 2008 12:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

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