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Mizzou Links, 6-20-08

Everybody's got potential! At least, that's the message Dave Matter ended up with when talking to some of the football upperclassmen about some of the football underclassmen. Michael Egnew, Andrew Jones, Wes Kemp, Gahn McGaffie, Blaine Gabbert...they're all gonna be great!! (And hey, I sure wouldn't complain if they're right about that...)

Once again, a recruit thinks highly of Mizzou until OU comes a-knockin'...Kansas LB Marshall Musil committed to the Sooners yesterday. Oh, and I guess it's not a whole new ballgame after Ronnie Wingo's visit to Fayetteville. He still seems to be smitten/buzzed from the Norman trip. Goodie.

What does SI's Stewart Mandel think about the current state of the Big 12?

Have you seen the returning quarterbacks in the Big 12? Ten teams return their starting signal-caller, including Chase Daniel at Missouri, Colt McCoy at Texas, Graham Harrell at Texas Tech and Sam Bradford at OU. Can any other conference match the firepower at quarterback that the Big 12 brings to the table?
--Sam Limbocker, Norman, Okla.

No question the Big 12 takes the cake in that department, but it's also the conference with the least amount of good defenses. And I feel like that dichotomy has existed for years. Go back to the 2004 season, when the league included (all at the same time) Vince Young, Jason White, Brad Smith, Reggie McNeal and whichever Texas Tech quarterback threw for 5,000 yards that year (it was Sonny Cumbie). Yet the league's champion, Oklahoma, went to the national title game and gave up 55 points to USC.

I do think the Big 12 as a whole has improved significantly since then, due in large part to the rise of Missouri and Kansas, but it's still very much an offense-driven league. Kansas was the only team in the conference with a top-25 defense last year. That's not to take anything away from guys like Daniel or Bradford, who are indisputably elite passers, but you have to wonder whether they'd put up quite the same ridiculous numbers if they didn't get to face defenses like Nebraska (112th out of 119 teams nationally last season), Baylor (110th) and Oklahoma State (101st) on a regular basis.

He's basically right, though one of the reasons those defenses were ranked so low was that...well...they had to face all those top offenses.

Lots of little blurbs from the KC Star today. 1) Kimmie English was my favorite of the new basketball signees before I read this quote, and he's even more my favorite now:

English sleeps in a leather chair that he drags from the players’ lounge to the locker room, allowing him to work around the clock.

"To help this team win this year, I’ll do anything," said English, who played at Notre Dame Prep in Fitchburg, Mass., last season, averaging 17.3 points, 6.2 rebounds and 3.9 assists per game.

"I’ll sleep outside if that’s what it takes."

Is it possible for a group of incoming freshmen to show more leadership than the last group of outgoing seniors? I think it is. 2) Danario Alexander is "optimistic" about his recovery. 3) Backup QB Dominic Grooms hasn't taken part in 7-on-7 drills, and his future is uncertain. Not totally surprising, I guess. The moment Blaine Gabbert set foot on campus, Grooms became the #4 QB. 4) Tony Temple is weighing his NFL options.

Via trripleplay, I see that four drafted Mizzou baseballers have signed professional contracts: Jacob Priday, Rick Zagone (boo...I knew it was going to happen, but...boo), Lee Fischer, and Kurt Calvert.

Finally...help put the chin in China!

[editor's note, by rptgwb] Sorry, I had to add in the image of the "Chin in China" shirt. It's just too awesome to leave unposted.

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Grooms?

This is the first I’ve heard of this. Now, ‘08 is pretty solid with QBs, but the lack of depth in ‘09 is now extremely concerning. I don’t think losing TWO QBs is very common and something is amiss. That’s very little depth after this year with what, Gabbert being the only scholarship player on the roster when Daniel and Patton leave?

Hopefully Grooms reconsiders.

The QB corps is getting thinner quicker than the LB corps (realizing more LBs play at any given time than QBs unless you’re Urban Meyer).

by JayC on Jun 20, 2008 8:04 AM CDT reply actions  

Oh come on...

Ohio State just lost their second QB as well. Is something “amiss” with their program too? No, they just signed Terrelle Pryor.

This is what happens when you realize you may never be higher than the #3 guy on the depth chart. Dom might come back, but if he doesn’t it says nothing about the program or anything else…other than the fact that a lot of people like Blaine Gabbert. Even if the staff made the decision to redshirt Gabbert, would you really have seen them playing Grooms over Gabbert this fall if we had a series of injuries? No. Gabbert is, for all intents and purposes, going to be the #3 QB this year (unless he beats out Patton for #2, which I doubt), and Grooms knows it. And next year Gabbert is almost certainly going to be #1, while Grooms is battling it out with some true freshmen for #2. It’s not too attractive an option for a guy.

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by Bill C. on Jun 20, 2008 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

It is called talent upgrade

This is what happens to a program on the rise or at the top. You recruit athletes, and if they dont discern themselves, well…they get passed up. The fact it is happening at QB is immaterial. It happens at all positions. “middle” classmen transfer when they get supplanted by an underclassmen….and especially in the case of Grooms who had no real tie to Mizzou before he got here. I mean…Sonny Riccio probably came in with just as good of a high school pedigree IF NOT BETTER than Brad Smith…and while he is known for one of the more memorable plays in our recent history, he still saw the writing on the wall and got out to get some good playing time for Delaware.

Does it leave us thin? Sure…could this hurt us down the stretch? Sure…if Gabbert gets hurt next year, we would be in trouble. But you know what? We would be in some trouble anyway if that happened and Grooms was here…since he has played as much as Gabbert has at this point. And “time in the program” would not have helped him.

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by The Beef on Jun 20, 2008 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

bottom line...

...is that if your starting QB AND your backup QB both get hurt, you’re probably screwed no matter who’s #3. The #3 is never going to have gotten the necessary reps to succeed very much, no matter who the #3 is…especially if the #1 and #2 get hurt close to the same time (like what happened at UCLA this spring)...

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by Bill C. on Jun 20, 2008 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Grooms would be dumb to leave...

He knows the offense more than either Gabbert or Dalton, and will have a shot at starting next year. I hope he doesn’t turn into Brandon Coleman though.

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by Big Head on Jun 20, 2008 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree wholeheartedly

and I didn’t mean to use the term “amiss” to indicate the program isn’t healthy. Everyone has attrition, be in voluntarily or involuntarily. I couldn’t think of another word so early in the AM, but my point was, with the departure of 2 Elite 8 QBs, there’s a chance Grooms with 3 years in the program gets the keys to the Corvette handed over to him. Pinkel in the interview of the spring game just glowed about him and his ability (yes I’ve re-watched it multiple times) so I would think he has a very good chance to see the field. It would also allow for Gabs to be paced, ‘shirted’ and not thrown into the fire where he might lose confidence.

by JayC on Jun 20, 2008 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I just think the writing's on the wall, and he knows it...

...and extra years of sitting on the bench doesn’t give him too much of an edge over Gabbert in ‘09, especially since, by that time Gabbert will, for all intents and purposes, “know the offense” as well as anybody else. It sucks to think that we’d have one scholarship QB who isn’t a true freshman next year, but that’s what happens when you sign a big-time recruit. I can’t at all blame Grooms for thinking about leaving, assuming that’s what the case is here…

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by Bill C. on Jun 20, 2008 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think Chase Patton is already Brandon Coleman

Except that Patton is the hometown kid, which makes the distinction even tougher.

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by RPT on Jun 20, 2008 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

No Reesing?...

Anyone else surprised that Todd Reesing’s name wasn’t with “Best B12 QBs”?

AHHHH!!! I almost got you. That hurt to say, even if I was joking around. Sarcasm people, sarcasm.

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by Big Head on Jun 20, 2008 9:06 AM CDT reply actions  

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