Mizzou Links, 8-19-08
We're just a day away from Askren's medal chase...and the KC Star and Trib have a couple nice articles. From the Trib:
If he wanted to, Askren could have been the darling of college wrestling. Instead, he was something more complicated than that. If he had kept the wild hair, the colorful personality and the wide-open style but muzzled his urge to admit freely that no one was in his league, he would have been universally adored for giving the sport a shot of pure charisma. But, Lord, it was hard to be humble, and Askren never saw the profit in pretending to respect lesser opponents.
"It’s more important to be me than to be loved by everyone," Askren said. "Of course I could say the politically correct things everybody wants to hear, but, A, that would not be true to myself, and, B, that would be boring. I don’t want to be either of those things.
"People are too scared to break the mold of society. I’m not worried about pissing people off."
Practice reports!
- Mutigers.com: "On the injury front, junior WR Jared Perry did not practice today after suffering a mild shoulder separation in Saturday's scrimmage. Team trainers hope to have him back before the end of the week. Senior TE Chase Coffman dressed out for the first time since having surgery last Tuesday on his broken finger, but he did not participate in contact drills, and was limited to running routes, without catching the ball."
- PowerMizzou has an approximate depth chart.
- Dave Matter has a longer version of yesterday's quick "8 freshmen will play" blog post.
- And then he puts up two practice reports (Part I, Part II) as well. From Part II: "From my novice perspective, I thought the No. 1 offensive line held up well against the top D-line in 1-on-1 pass-rush drills, especially left tackle Elvis Fisher against Stryker Sulak. The more I see of Fisher, the less I think last week’s line shuffle was some sort of panicked shot-in-the-dark move by the staff. He’s athletic enough to keep his feet moving on the edge and has enough power to outmuscle defensive ends."
- KC Star: 'According to veteran Tigers, [eight true freshmen playing] shows just how deep the latest recruiting class is, not how desperate the team is to rush true freshmen. "What has changed is the level of talent," senior captain and wide receiver Tommy Saunders told The Star. "You see it in every class. It’s not just one or two. Every year the players who come in are better and better."'
Which players do Mizzou's best players admire?
Injured ankle? No problem for Brian Coulter.
The Post-Dispatch checks in on Wes Kemp...
Good things happen when there's stability in the coaching staff...
Finally...ouch. Ian Kinsler's got himself a (sports) hernia. Ggh...Mizzourah's got more...
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Even Nebraska repoters are jumping
on the Mizzou bandwagon. They had a big header on the front page of the Omaha World Herald that read, “Mizzou possible BCS Champs?” Anyway here is the link:
loved this part...
Then there is Gary Pinkel.
In his eight years as head coach, Big 12 watchers have seen Pinkel do more than his share of overcoaching and bonehead decision-making.
But it’s time to give him some credit. While covering 15 Missouri games in the past four seasons, I’ve seen him learn from his mistakes — often the hard way, but at least he wasn’t too stubborn to take heed.
Pinkel has listened more to his assistant coaches. He has lightened up with his players. And on game day, he seems to have come closer to hitting his stride with sound play-calling and fewer “what the heck was that” moves.
http://www.rockmnation.com
Thrust nunchuk upward!
Which begs the question:
does the Pinkel Factor still exist, and it is simply overpowered by the Eberflus/Christensen dynamic? Or has Pinkel strengthened that chink in his proverbial armor?
"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer
Mizzou at 19
Sorry, I’ve been on vacation. You left a note for me re:BlogPoll and Mizzou at 19.
Funny- when you write about a BCS also ran (Tulane) you still marvel at how people can perceive Top 20 as disrespect. I wish the Green Wave would get that sort of love. From anyone.
The number one answer for Missouri’s poor showing vis-à-vis everyone else is, candidly, probably I’m ignorant of Mizzou true power!
Still, in all honesty, the Tulane fan is real familiar w/ the 12-win season (see 1998) where a lot of stuff goes right- and then not so right in the future. Frankly, it can’t go right at that "velocity" again.
Temple was quietly a big part of that offense; I thought he was great. The defense is simply pedestrian when compared to potential Top Ten peers. I just don’t think that defense is in the class of LSU or Ohio State or USC- or really close either.
Their schedule is a bit soft (I’d be embarrassed if that were Tulane’s ooc slate, let alone an aspiring national power) and, if your honest, a key reason they’re in the top ten in the major polls as much as anything- and BlogPoll asks us to discount that.
I dunno- they’d probably go 5-3-ish in the SEC- they’re not winning road games in places like LSU and Florida consistently and I’m not sure they’d sweep a home slate of say Kentucky, Auburn, Ole Miss and Vanderbilt. If they lose at Texas (likely), 6-2 in their League is very possible- and that is simply not top ten.
I just think they’re the third or fourth best team in their League- behind OU somewhere in the mix with Tech and Kansas and Texas- and that isn’t top ten either.
Figure they come back to the pack some on offense, add a defense that I don’t think is a good as a medium SEC program… and yeah, you have something like Alabama- which I have around them.
I'm not the one who left the note...but I'll respond.
Temple was quietly a big part of that offense
Yes. In November. He was hurt in October, and his backups produced at roughly the same level that he would have. I likened Temple to the way a boxer tries to end a round strong to steal the round. Temple was fabulous in November and beyond, solid in October, and decent in September. If we can have somebody who produces at a solid level all year, our offense will be just as well off.
Their schedule is a bit soft (I’d be embarrassed if that were Tulane’s ooc slate, let alone an aspiring national power)
We play two bowl teams, one at a neutral site. We have what is being considered one of the top 4-5 non-conference games in the country to start the season. Granted, it’s not the typical Colorado non-con slate, but let’s not overstate things here.
if your honest, a key reason they’re in the top ten in the major polls as much as anything
Correct. It has nothing to do with their 12 wins last year, which included wins over two BCS bowl teams (both on neutral sites) and complete dismantlings of teams like Texas Tech (we beat them by 31 at home, but they’re “somewhere in the mix” with us in the conference) and Colorado (we beat them by 45 in Boulder, where they had just beaten OU and lost to KU by only 5). We played the team who beat glorious LSU, and we beat them by 31. In games not involving BCS bowl teams (Illinois, KU, OU), we won by an average of 43.4 to 18.5…while everybody else in the country was losing to those types of teams, we never took a week off. We return a Heisman finalist at QB. We return a preseason All-American at WR and a preseason All-American at TE. We return a majority of our starting OL’s. We return 10 starters off of a defense that, while maybe not as good as LSU’s or Ohio State’s, is easily in the Top 3 of the second-best conference in the country. We return an All-American kick/punt returner. We return a kicker who has never missed a kick in Big 12 play in two years.
But we’re just ranked high because of our weak schedule that only includes three Top 20 opponents (and a fourth if we win the North).
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Thrust nunchuk upward!
I was the one who left the comment...
I mean no disrespect, I just wanted to hear your justification. This is the beauty of the BlogPoll: accountability.
The number one answer for Missouri’s poor showing vis-à-vis everyone else is, candidly, probably I’m ignorant of Mizzou true power!
I’m not sure if that’s supposed to come off as sarcasm, but if I remember correctly, I didn’t go over to your site to incite anything, I’m just interested in hearing an opinion that, at this point in time, is an extreme outlier.
Re: Temple’s departure, I echo everything The Boy said before me. Temple was an outstanding back when he forced himself to be. Everything coming out of the Missouri program indicates that the Tigers could very well be better without Temple. We’re not ignorant as to say Temple’s contributions won’t be missed, but I think the average Mizzou fan is far from worried about the position.
The defense is simply pedestrian when compared to potential Top Ten peers.
I’ll allow this based on the numbers, even though defensive statistics in the Big 12 are more inflated than Mangino. But, let me note this: You drop Mizzou from the Top 10 partially based on its “pedestrian” defense, but you still justify Texas Tech at No. 8?
Their schedule is a bit soft
Team A plays Illinois, SE Missouri St., Nevada, and Buffalo. Team B plays Eastern Washington, Nevada, SMU, and Massachusetts. Team A is Missouri, your No. 19 team. Team B is Texas Tech, your No. 8 team.
[The soft schedule is] a key reason they’re in the top ten in the major polls as much as anything- and BlogPoll asks us to discount that.
Yes, but the BlogPoll directions also specifically ask the voters to discount the schedule, not just how it affects the AP voting. If you think Missouri is legitimately the 19th best team in the country, that’s fine, just as long as you’re not punishing Mizzou for what you call a weak schedule. A weak schedule that includes teams that you ranked as 10th, 14th and 15th best in the entire country. If you want to call a spade a spade and just come out and say you’re punishing us for not being in the SEC, then go ahead and say it. The only way Missouri will get to prove itself against pro-SEC people is to show up, much like they did on New Years last year when all of those people were back on the road to the Southeast with 12 minutes left in the Cotton Bowl. You know, the Cotton Bowl where Mizzou embarrassed the team that 39 days earlier defeated the future National Champions*, the champions of the omnipotent, omnipresent superpower conference selected by God and his people SEC.
http://www.RockMNation.com
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You make excellent points, rptgwb . . .
. . . as does The Boy, and your arguments are part of the reason I believe Missouri will beat Illinois handily, win the Big 12, and finish in the top five, all of which I have argued in my little corner of SB Nation.
However, please don’t confuse Frank McGrath’s pro-S.E.C. bias with that of actual S.E.C. fans. With all due respect to Frank, his invariably is the most outlying BlogPoll ballot (and I say that as someone who has been excoriated repeatedly at MGoBlog for casting outlying BlogPoll ballots) and, since Tulane left the league almost 45 years ago, surely supporters of the Green Wave no longer count as Southeastern Conference partisans, even if we play the Sugar Bowl in their stadium.
Mizzou was a great team last year, Mizzou will be a great team this year, and Mizzou will get in 2008 the B.C.S. bowl berth the team wrongly was denied in 2007. (Believe me, I would much rather have seen Georgia play Missouri in the Sugar Bowl last year, as that would have been a good game.)
I know you’re criticizing Frank specifically and you have not maligned S.E.C. fans generally, which I appreciate, as it is not a courtesy we S.E.C. fans often are afforded by fans from other conferences and regions. I just want to be clear, though: Frank speaks for himself, not for the Southeastern Conference faithful and certainly not for me.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Aug 20, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Trust me
I’m in no way implicating the entire region, much less the fine folks of Dawg Sports, for “SEC Hubris.” You know as well as I do that there’s a segment of SEC fans who blow the conference superiority argument out of proportion. This just happens to be one instance.
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Fair enough
Unfortunately, every conference’s fan base contains a small yet vocal contingent of yahoos, just as every conference’s fan base contains a small yet vocal contingent of folks who assume the yahoos speak for everyone else. Fortunately, these two sects are not a majority in any league.
As I say, I know you weren’t making that accusation, which I appreciate, but I wanted to make sure the distinction was clear to all of your readers, as well.
Frank, believe me, I appreciate the boosterism, I just think it goes a bit far. I understand where you’re coming from, and I understand how taking an idea to its logical extension can cause problems in BlogPoll balloting. After all, I’m the one who took the position everyone agreed with—-namely, Kansas was overrated because the Jayhawks beat no one of consequence in the regular season—-and ranked K.U. accordingly, which was much lower than many others ranked the ’Hawks on account of a pretty, yet ultimately empty, record.
I sympathize. By the way . . . I hate to admit this, but Georgia lost on its last two trips to play Tulane in New Orleans: 17-14 in 1970 and 24-13 in 1972. Unfortunately, the Bulldogs and the Green Wave probably have played their last game against one another, since their scheduled 2002 meeting was called off when Tulane (which was then coached by Chris Scelfo) developed a scheduling conflict after Georgia fired his old boss, Jim Donnan, and the two athletic departments litigated their dispute.
Go 'Dawgs!
Sigh...
I won’t argue points about Mizzou- they seem very fair to me. I will say that while the leap from 1 to 10 is big; the leap is quality between 17 and 8 isn’t so much.
As to my wild ballot…. This is my ballot top fifteen from last year- versus the final AP.:
1 Florida (finished 13)
2 LSU (finish 1)
3 Southern Cal (exact)
4 Wisconsin ( finished 18)
5 Texas (finish 10)
6 Michigan (MISS)
7 Auburn (finish 15)
8 Virginia Tech (finish 9)
9 Oklahoma (finish 8)
10 Ohio State (finish 5)
11 West Virginia (finish 6)
12 Tennessee (exact)
13 Georgia (finish 2)
14 Penn State (finish 27th- other receiving votes)
15 California (MISS)
Honestly, is that bad? I missed a lot with Michigan – but everyone did. And Wisconsin wasn’t so great a pick. But the rest is pretty good.

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