Mike Anderson vs Doc Sadler
I've been exchanging e-mails with a friend of mine for the last 24 hours or so, debating who has done/is doing a better job at their current job: Mike Anderson or Doc Sadler. Being that I've spent a decent amount of time writing these up, I figured I could turn it into a post. I'm an effort maximizer.
This e-debate came about because of Doc Sadler's now 5-1 record head-to-head versus Anderson. Almost three years ago, Anderson was hired at Mizzou, Sadler at Nebraska and Jeff Capel at OU, and they've all had varying levels of success in highly varied circumstances. I'll save the Capel debate for another time--he's 18-15 without Blake Griffin (who was an almost total lock to go to OU no matter who was hired as coach) and 36-13 with him, and OU would have at least two more losses this season without him, possibly four. If Anderson had taken the OU job, he'd probably be succeeding at a similar level. Or not. Like I said, I'm not ready to have that debate, so forget I said anything. Back to Sadler.
I figure most look at head-to-head success in one of two ways: 1) Sure it matters, but not really--teams play 30 other games a season too, or 2) You're 5-1 against another coach? You're a better coach. You can probably guess that I'm in the (1) camp (I'm a "big picture" kind of guy), but there are tons in the (2) camp. But since it fits my tendencies, let's look at the big picture.
When you're trying to compare two coaches, I'd say you've got about six questions to ask:
- How have they done head-to-head?
- How have they done overall?
- What kind of situation did they step into?
- What kind of roster did they inherit?
- What good wins do they have?
- What bad losses do they have?
After the jump, we take a look at those six questions.

How have they done head-to-head?
Sadler 5, Anderson 1.
How have they done overall?
In 2.5 years, Sadler is 48-30, 14-20 in conference. Anderson is 47-31, 13-21 in conference.
What kind of situation did they step into?
In the two years before Sadler, NU went 33-28, 16-20 in conference.
In the two years before Anderson, MU went 28-33, 13-22 in conference.
In the three years before Sadler, NU went 51-41, 22-31 in conference.
In the three years before Anderson, MU went 44-47, 23-30 in conference.
Oh, and Mizzou was on probation for one more year stemming from the Quin Snyder administration. I'm not going to say that Nebraska was a better job 2.5 years ago (or today), but there's no doubting that Nebraska was in better shape as a program.
What kind of roster did they inherit?
Sadler inherited a decent roster with some experienced players and a 2-time all-conference center.
Anderson inherited a decent roster with lots of underclassmen, no all-conference talent, and because of one more year of probation, not a full load of scholarships.
Mizzou's recruiting classes had been better overall in previous years, but there was only one all-conference caliber player on either roster (unless Good Leo makes lots of appearances over the next two months), and it was Aleks Maric.
Plus, Mike Anderson's "grace period" recruiting class (what I call a coach's first full-year recruiting class, where recruits are most likely to buy the "I'm gonna turn this thing around" talk with no questions asked) had all of one scholarship to give. Doc Sadler signed NINE guys in that class, meaning he was able to more quickly turn his team into a "my program, my kind of recruits" roster.
What good wins do they have?
We'll define 'good wins' as wins over Top 40 teams.
Sadler
Creighton (06-07)
Oklahoma (07-08)
Anderson
Arkansas (06-07)
Texas (07-08)
California (08-09)
Anderson leads, 3-2. Neither total is impressive, but technically Mike Anderson has the advantage.
What bad losses do they have?
We'll define 'bad losses' as losses to a team ranked outside of the Top 150 by statsheet.com.
Sadler
Rutgers (06-07)
Colorado (06-07)
Colorado (07-08)
Iowa State (07-08)
Oregon State (08-09)
UM-Baltimore County (08-09)
Anderson
Iowa State (07-08)
Anderson leads, 6-1. This is perhaps Anderson's biggest advantage--after the years of Sam Houston and Belmont, Missouri is very consistently beating the teams they should be beating, and among other disappointments, this is a bright spot.
So Sadler took over a team that had been over .500 for the three years before he arrived, armed with a future all-conference center, and has won at a .615 clip. Granted, both his and Anderson's win percentages will fall over the next two months as they play more and more real teams, but for now that's an improvement of between about 0.057 (over the previous three years) and 0.071 (over the previous two) in the win percentage department. He has two really good wins and six awful losses.
Anderson took over a below-.500 program, with no all-conference talent outside of maybe Leo Lyons (he's got two months to live up to the potential...and I'm not optimistic), and has improved them between 0.118 (over the previous three years) and 0.143 (over the previous two) in win percentage. Advantage: Mike Anderson.
Now, while Anderson has outperformed Sadler in this regard, there are three other minor factors working against Anderson:
1) Expectations are higher in Columbia. Mizzou has had more and more recent success than NU...then again, judging by the attendance, there's little to no pressure on Anderson because nobody cares.
2) Athena-gate. I tend to be pretty forgiving of the involvement of Anderson recruits Hannah and Butterfield, as they were JUCO kids he had to recruit in an abbreviated timeframe, but others are understandably less forgiving.
3) Postseason apperances. NU did make the NIT last year, and Anderson has yet to make the postseason. Now, all I care about in the end is the NCAA Tournament (making the '05 NIT with a young team didn't exactly help Quin Snyder's momentum any), and Anderson has a much better chance of doing that soon than Sadler does, but facts are facts, and Sadler's made the postseason.
So what does everybody think? Mizzou was looking into Sadler 2.5 years ago, but they ended up with Anderson. Is that a good thing, or would Doc be having more success in Columbia right now?
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Sadler's having more success at NU...
But I don’t necessarily think Mizzou would have been better off had they hired Sadler. We might be slightly better off with Anderson, but I may think that because I really like the recruits he brought in for this year.
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by UribeAuction on
Jan 11, 2009 9:12 PM CST
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I'll take Sadler because
1. Anderson is routinely outcoached not when we are on the road, and takes an annual beating from Bruce Weber. It got to the point this year where Anderson came off as a whiny loser on national tv.
2. Anderson can’t beat his rivals, part of it I touched on in my first point, but he also hasn’t beaten kU. He can almost get a pass because kU was clearly many levels above Mizzou the past two years, but Quin managed to beat kU at home his last year. I don’t know for sure who Nebraska considers their main rivals in basketball, but I assume Mizzou is one of them. So while Anderson is 0-3 against Illinois and 0-4 against kansas, Sadler has done well against at least one of his rivals.
3. It seems like this team is headed in the right direction, but the more I watch Mizzou try and pressure Big 12 teams, the more I question the success this system can have in a major conference.
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by nji232 on
Jan 11, 2009 9:37 PM CST
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The thing is...
…those reasons have nothing to do with Sadler. I understand all the reasons to be frustrated with Anderson—they’re completely justifiable—but so far any reason I’ve seen to choose Sadler has struck me as a “grass is greener” situation. Yes, he has his guys playing hard…yes, he’s a better in-game technician than Anderson is…and yes, they lost to UMBC this year. And Oregon State. Anderson took over a tougher situation and has caught him. And beating this Mizzou team actually ranks pretty high on his “best wins” list. I understand frustration with Anderson, but it just confuses me why someone thinks Sadler would be better…
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by The Boy on
Jan 12, 2009 7:46 AM CST
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I think Salder has done a better job so far
But I think going forward Anderson still has some promise. I also wouldn’t be shocked if Anderson only stays here as long as his original contract (4 years?).
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on
Jan 12, 2009 8:22 AM CST
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Before I laid out those records and numbers...
…I don’t think I’d fully grasped just how far Mizzou had fallen off. I never thought I’d say something like this, but Mizzou had to catch Nebraska in basketball before they could worry about beating them. They’ve caught them now as a program, and I think they’ll continue to move forward at a higher speed, but there’s no question that Sadler knows how to play against Anderson’s style…it’s a good matchup for them…
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by The Boy on
Jan 12, 2009 8:28 AM CST
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What about the win over K-State
last season? They were definitely a top 40 team with Michael Beasley, right?
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by Snakebitten on
Jan 12, 2009 11:41 AM CST
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#50
http://statsheet.com/mcb/teams/missouri/schedule?season=2007-2008
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by The Boy on
Jan 12, 2009 11:46 AM CST
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I realize this is separate from the "big picture" argument
But Anderson did not impress me Saturday. His team looked unprepared and unmotivated for what was a conference opener that could have begun a 4-0 or 5-0 streak to start B12 play.
Then, seeing that, he refused to call ANY timeouts. Do you realize he didn’t take his use-or-lose timeout in the first half, even when Mizzou fell behind by 16 points against an inferior team? Or when they got the ball with 4.5 seconds left? Why not set up a play? Instead, they ran out of time.
Then, he held on to the other four timeouts until the final minute, and while it was nice to have them at that point, he could have (a) used one or two earlier when we had 1,700 chances to tie or take the lead and ended up jacking up 3s on all but one or (b) set up a better play than a J.T. Tiller 3 with 20 seconds left on the shot clock when he did call one with a minute or so left. Just the sort of thing that makes you wonder … of course, the players deserve some of that blame too. He does coach them all week and sometimes they act like they don’t realize Lyons and Carroll are the best players on the court, or that they shoot sub-30 percent from 3 (for some of them).
by calim on
Jan 12, 2009 3:13 PM CST
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Looking solely at Sadler vs. Anderson head-to-head
I think the argument you can make for Sadler is that his system is perfectly suited to hurt Anderson’s style of play.
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by rptgwb on
Jan 13, 2009 9:47 AM CST
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Oh I completely, totally agree with that...
…my whole point has just been that that alone doesn’t mean he’d have been a better hire for Mizzou…
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by The Boy on
Jan 13, 2009 10:08 AM CST
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Seconded.
You and I are on the same page here. Just because the head-to-head is the way it is doesn’t mean the comparison is universally applicable.
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by rptgwb on
Jan 13, 2009 2:22 PM CST
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Sadler vs. Anderson
Watching the game on Saturday I thought that NU looked pretty weak but our highly touted senior duo did not play well. They did not use their size advantage in the paint until the second half and then only for part of the half. I like Anderson better. I think NU is probably at or near their highest potential under Sadler. I think Mizzou is still improving and getting better & better recruits. Anderson took over a progam that was in the can and Sadler did not and even though we lost that game I expect MU will have a better season than NU this year and will continue to improve, hopefully, up to the level of play we enjoyed when Norm was the coach. I do wonder why we continually have poor free throw shooting teams.
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by MIZ on
Jan 13, 2009 1:54 PM CST
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A little back ground on what Sadler inherited at NU...
Now that this story is a month old…
I’m not that familiar with what Anderson inherited and it sounds like he was fairly hamstrung when he first took the job. I’ve always liked him as a coach and think he’ll be very successful at Mizzou, but I think you’re underestimating how bad the situation was at Nebraska when Sadler took the job. For starters, he wasn’t hired until about 3 weeks before school started. Barry Collier took the AD job at Butler and sorta left NU high and dry, but that’s not to say the few NU fans that existed were sad to see him go. Collier had kicked a couple of people off the team during the year and graduated two of their best players and was left with Aleks Maric, a servicable point guard and some spare parts. When the dust settled he had about 6 scholarship players and Aleks Maric was threatening to go pro. So, instead of trying to find players to play, he had to go to re-recruit his only chess piece in Maric, who was home in Australia at the time, all the while scrambling to find any players he could. I think Sadler’s found the job to be much more difficult than he was imagining it would be. The talent level was low, the athletic department as a whole was in shambles, apathy was at an all time high in respect to fan intrest, and he has zero traditon to build off of. It sounds like both coaches had significant hurdles to navigate. I think it’s tough to look at either coach and say that one’s done a better job yet. Both have done admirably with what they’ve been given. I think that if both Sadler and Anderson stay at NU and Mizzou respectively, it could be a fun coaching rivalry to watch and both will be living terrors for the rest of the conference.
by dpm917 on
Feb 10, 2009 11:09 AM CST
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I won't speak for The Boy
But I think you touched on one of the exact points he was trying to make:
I think it’s tough to look at either coach and say that one’s done a better job yet. Both have done admirably with what they’ve been given.
After the Nebraska loss, a lot of Missouri fans were making the Sadler/Anderson comparison that may or may not have been fair. I think it’s meant more to debunk the “head-to-head record makes Coach A better than Coach B” argument, as he later claimed that Missouri’s two consecutive wins over Texas didn’t necessarily make Anderson better than Rich Barnes.
As you’ve said, both have performed admirably.
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by rptgwb on
Feb 10, 2009 12:32 PM CST
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Right, I agree with that to a certain extent. The point I was trying to make was that NU’s program was in a much more fragile state than it was painted to be in the original premise.
by dpm917 on
Feb 10, 2009 1:46 PM CST
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