Who will win the national championship, Florida or Oklahoma? And any Super Bowl predictions?
Brazinski: Oklahoma will win in a shootout. It'll be a close game, though. As for the Super Bowl, Steelers will beat the Giants. That won't be popular back in New Jersey where everyone is a Giants fan.
Campanaro: Florida will win, because the SEC plays the best defense and it has Tim Tebow. As for the Super Bowl, I think the Eagles will finally win the ring for Donovan McNabb.
Jenkins: Florida will win with its speed. I don't think Oklahoma sees speed like that on a weekly basis. Since my Redskins are out, I don't know. I can't go for the Eagles or Giants because they are in the same division as the Skins.
Martin: Florida will win with speed. The Super Bowl is an easy one; I'm a huge Indianapolis Colts fan.
Patterson: Florida has the speed. The Falcons will win the Super Bowl. I'm from Georgia.
Shepard: Florida will win because of Tim Tebow's leadership and the overall speed of the SEC. The Super Bowl is too tight to call.
Te'o: Florida has a game-changer like Tim Tebow and the overall team speed. Since the 49ers can't win the Super Bowl -- that's my favorite team -- I'll go with the Baltimore Ravens. Ray Lewis is my idol; I look up to him and emulate him.
From some of the nation's top recruits. Of all the advantages Florida might have over OU, I hadn't considered "speed" to be one of them. But maybe I'm just underestimating ESSSSSSSSSSSSSS-EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-SEEEEEEEEEEEE SPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDD!!!!!
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by Turd Ferguson on Jan 4, 2009 11:53 PM CST up reply actions
Looks like we got a war of words
Dominique Franks thinks Tebow would be the fourth best QB in the Big 12
I’m really sick about hearing how great the SEC still is, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to root for OU. Can there be a tie, pretty please?
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Oh God. Not SEC speed again...
SEC speed and athleticism is the most unfalsifiable proposition in the history of words.
No amount of counter-evidence is enough. No number of blah performances outside the conference can alter the unalterable truth that the SEC is bigger, stronger, and faster than everybody else. That’s all you hear.
The SEC has two quality wins this post-season coming into the BCS (Ole Miss and LSU) coupled with two atrocious losses (S. Carolina and Alabama). In the most high profile win, Ole Miss athletically outclassed Tech, BUT STILL gave up 34 to a team with an injured Crabtree. The ONLY truly physically dominant SEC win this post-season was LSU all over Ga. Tech. (But c’mon. A halfway decent defense with a month to prepare should be able to shut down an option offense. Big 8/Big 12 teams learned that lesson twenty years ago.) In both horrible losses the SEC team was not more athletic in any key matchup. S. Carolina’s receivers never got close to open—not that it would have mattered much. Greene ran up, down, over, and through one of the conferences elite defenses. And of course Utah was even more impressive in their beat down of Alabama because the Tide didn’t turn it over anything like the frequency S. Carolina did. Utah came out and ran ’Bama’s defense ragged from the opening kickoff until the final whistle.
The SEC didn’t look athletically dominant in officiating-aided close wins over BC and E. Carolina. Georgia looked good, I’ll grant that, but it was over one-trick pony Michigan State, who didn’t beat a decent team out of conference all year. In fact Georgia was the only team to beat MSU but fail to score at least 30. Big whoop. Like all other things Georgia when you step back and look at the big picture, it’s really kinda disappointing. UGa, I remain dazzled by your ability to do less with more.
Florida may beat OU, I can’t call it. Who has spit the bit in the post-season more than Bob Stoops except for perhaps Bob Huggins? So that gives me pause. But I’ve seen both teams play. Florida doesn’t look more athletic than OU to me. If they do beat OU it won’t be some vindication of SEC speed or athleticism. Florida is an elite team. But Alabama, Georgia, and Mississippi are a clear step down—the same way Tech and OSU are a clear step down from OU and Texas.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Look at the Non-Conference Portion of the SEC Schedule
First, few if any impressive non-conference wins. Alabama over Clemson is what the league hung it’s hat on all season. We now know Clemson wasn’t much and that Alabama’s defense wasn’t quite as good as billed against the only two high-performing offenses they played. That win was more than offset by the 45 points Georgia gave up losing to Ga. Tech and Vanderbilt’s loss to Duke—yeah, Duke. Furthermore, the SEC went 4-6 overall vs the ACC this season.
Second, the SEC shies away from true intersectional games vs BCS automatic qualifiers. THAT’S THE THING THAT DRIVES ME CRAZY!!!! Traditionally, apart from UT and LSU, SEC teams won’t go on the road and play anybody in another time zone. Tennessee was the only team that left its time zone to play a BCS automatic qualifier (an OT loss at UCLA). Florida never left the state of Florida to play a BCS qualifier out of conference (FSU and Miami).
The SEC played 14 games vs BCS automatic qualifiers. The Big 12 played 15. The SEC went 5-9 while the Big 12 went 7-8. It’s probably worth noting that SEC wins were highly concentrated at the top of the conference: Florida (2), Alabama (1), and Georgia (1) account for 4 of the 5 wins. The rest of the SEC went 1-8 against the other BCS conferences. (Where was all the SEC’s immeasurable athletic depth then?) The Big 12 was more balanced in their performance against the big conferences, sporting wins at the top, in the middle, and at the bottom. Oklahoma has 3 of the 7 wins, but Texas has a fourth win, Mizzou has the fifth, the sixth comes from Colorado and the 7th from Baylor.
The SEC played 10 of its games against BCS automatic qualifiers with the ACC (4-6), many of those traditional rivalry games. It played 2 vs the Big East (1-1), 1 vs. the Big 12 (0-1), 1 vs the Pac 10 (0-1), and no games vs the Big 10.
The Big 12 was more balanced, playing 4 games against the ACC (0-4), 5 vs the Big East (2-3), 2 vs. the Big 10 (1-1), 3 vs the Pac 10 (3-0), and 1 vs the SEC (1-0).
If we look at the conference overall, the Big 12 takes on a bigger challenge out of conference than the SEC. The Big 12 played more BCS automatic qualifying conferences in more true road games than the SEC and still had a better record.
And guess what? Although the SEC had the better overall non-conference record (39-9 SEC vs 38-10 Big 12), the Big 12 had a better differential (+986 vs +783 by my calculations). In the conference opponent with the most overlap, the Sun Belt, the SEC had the better record (8-0 vs 5-1), but the Big 12 had the better differential (19.5/g vs 24.3/g).
I’m not even arguing Big 12 superiority. I’m saying stop it with the “mighty, mighty SEC” crap already. It is too, too tired. If OU wins it won’t somehow validate the Big 12. If UF wins it ain’t because “OU has never seen anything like the defenses they play in the SEC.”
The strength of a conference isn’t assessed by what those teams do against each other in conference; it’s what they do outside the conference. This season when the SEC has taken its show on the road, both during the season and after, it has done NOTHING to impress. It’s athletes aren’t categorically any better than the opposition’s. It’s coaches aren’t any smarter. It’s fans aren’t any more knowledgeable. And, it’s cheerleaders aren’t any cuter. The SEC has ONE great team, some good teams, some mediocre teams, and some crappy teams—just like everybody else.
So please SEC fans; pretty please with sugar on top; get off the high horse already and just enjoy the game with the rest of us mere mortals. If you have a serious analysis that lays out clear matchup advantages for Florida please post it. I’d love to see it, because I can’t call this game. I expect a game either team could win by any score. But spare us the “our athletes are just so bloody superior” routine. The rest of us have been watching the games too. It’s just not true. So drop it already.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
by dcrockett17 on Jan 4, 2009 6:30 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Well reasoned
My only objection:
SEC teams won’t go on the road and play anybody in another time zone. Tennessee was the only team that left its time zone to play a BCS automatic qualifier (an OT loss at UCLA). Florida never left the state of Florida to play a BCS qualifier out of conference (FSU and Miami).
Why should distance be a factor? Florida still managed to play two quality opponents in FSU and Miami. The fact that they never saw a “Leaving: Florida” sign along the way shouldn’t matter as long as they aren’t feasting on regional cupcakes.
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It matters...
because the road is where a team is most likely to play against type. Home field is a HUGE predictor of winning between evenly matched teams in college football. There was an analysis done by two guys in the Journal for Quantitative Analysis in Sports (link to .pdf, scroll to pp. 24-25) a few years ago. Their model, calibrated on the 2003 and 2004 seasons, estimates that home field advantage in contests between two evenly matched teams is between 65 and 69%.
Florida plays very few “true” non-conference road games against the BCS. To my knowledge, Florida has played no games against BCS automatic qualifiers outside of state since the 1990s. (I’m repeating something someone told me, but I think it is true.) A major part of the challenge of playing high caliber non-conference opponents (i.e., the type that can command a home-and-home series) is actually having to face an unfamiliar opponent in completely hostile territory. Florida, despite having played some quality non-conf. opponents, has managed to dilute part of that difficulty by never really traveling. Florida probably sees more of their own fans at games vs. the ’Noles and the ’Canes than they do for conference games at LSU or Arkansas. To my knowledge, Tim Tebow has never had the experience of a completely hostile environment while playing an unfamiliar non-conference opponent. That has to matter at the margins. And once you get past the SEC puffery, whatever sets these two teams apart-if anything does-is at the margins.
Consider that Tennessee and Cal traded home blowouts with pretty much the same rosters for two straight years. Think about Oklahoma losing on the road to Oregon a few years ago, probably keeping them out of the title chase. Although they got jobbed by the officials at the end, Dennis Dixon was brilliant. OU’s very good defense could do nothing against them. Consider LSU going on the road (post-Katrina) to a mediocre ASU team and barely escaping (after two blocked kicks and a bomb by Russell at the end), but not until after they gave up close to 500 yards of total offense.
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