Updated BTBS Projections
I figure every two weeks is a good time to revisit the BTBS projections and see what's changed. Obviously with Missouri's loss to Nebraska, the North has changed, but how much? And who has it helped the most? Let's take a look. Bowl projections after the jump. And I'm telling you...something very strange could end up happening this season. Right now, for the second straight projections post in a row, there are 68 bowl slots available...and 68 projected bowl-eligible teams. Yikes. If teams like Florida State, Virginia, Central Florida, SMU, Temple, etc., don't make it to six wins...well, I'm not sure what happens at that point.
Big 12
| North Division | Proj. Conf. |
Proj. Overall |
Proj. Bowl |
| Nebraska | 7-1 | 10-3 | Cotton |
| Missouri | 5-3 | 9-3 | Sun |
| Colorado | 4-4 | 5-7 | |
| Kansas | 2-6 | 6-6 | Independence |
| Kansas State | 2-6 | 4-8 | |
| Iowa State | 1-7 | 4-8 | |
| South Division | Proj. Conf. |
Proj. Overall |
Proj. Bowl |
| Texas | 8-0 | 13-0 | BCS Championship |
| Oklahoma | 6-2 | 8-4 | Holiday |
| Oklahoma State | 6-2 | 9-3 | Alamo |
| Texas Tech | 5-3 | 8-4 | Insight |
| Texas A&M | 2-6 | 5-7 | |
| Baylor | 0-8 | 3-9 |
- I'll say this. Monsoon = bad for projections. Both Nebraska and Missouri received some pretty solid ratings bumps after October 8...and then neither lived up to those projections the next week. But they're still in there, and it makes sense that both are projected kindly the rest of the way. Neither team is projected to lose the rest of the year to a team not named Texas. It is what it is, I guess.
- The most interesting projection has to be Colorado at 4-4 and Kansas at 2-6. As The Beef and I were discussing earlier today, Kansas doesn't have a gimme win the rest of the season, and due to that alone, you have to figure their North title hopes are on life support. Their schedule the rest of the way: OU, @Tech, @KSU, NU, @Texas, vs Missouri. Ouch. Obviously they could win any of those games aside from the trip to Austin, but the projections currently say they'll lose all of them but K-State.
(Side note: if KU really does fall apart and go 6-6 with Todd Reesing and their two best WRs of all-time, while Missouri goes 8-4/9-3 with an almost completely new cast of characters, do you think Gary Pinkel will finally get credit for being a better coach than Mark Mangino? Me neither.) - The South, in comparison, is quite predictable.
- In this scenario, I would say that Nebraska-to-Cotton is pretty obvious. After that I'm not completely sure what would happen--I'm assuming the Holiday would have trouble passing up OU, especially considering which Pac-10 will await. Then it's OSU vs MU for Alamo and Sun. Not sure what the pecking order is, really, but I had Mizzou-to-Sun simply to avoid back-to-back Alamo Bowls. You'll laugh when you see who Mizzou plays.
ACC
| Atlantic Division | Proj. Conf. |
Proj. Overall |
Proj. Bowl |
| Clemson | 5-3 | 9-4 | Orange |
| Boston College | 5-3 | 8-4 | Champs Sports |
| Florida State | 4-4 | 6-6 | Music City |
| Wake Forest | 3-5 | 5-7 | |
| N.C. State | 2-6 | 5-7 | |
| Maryland | 2-6 | 3-9 | |
| Coastal Division | Proj. Conf. |
Proj. Overall |
Proj. Bowl |
| Virginia Tech | 7-1 | 10-3 | Chick-Fil-A |
| Miami-FL | 7-1 | 11-1 | Sugar |
| Georgia Tech | 6-2 | 9-3 | Gator |
| Virginia | 5-3 | 6-6 | Meineke Car Care |
| North Carolina | 1-7 | 5-7 | |
| Duke | 1-7 | 3-9 |
- The ACC is a big fat mess right now. The three most highly-touted teams in the conference are in the Coastal, but the teams with the highest S&P+ ratings are Miami (who is screwed because they lose the tie-breaker to VT) and Clemson. So I have Clemson beating Va Tech in the conference title game and a 1-loss Miami team claiming another BCS slot.
- Gotta like the balls on Virginia...they didn't want extra credit for beating William & Mary, so they said "Screw it! We'll throw that game and still get to six wins!" Or something like that.
- I swear I didn't plan this, but I'm loving the bowl draw Florida State ends up with as well.
Big East
| Proj. Conf. |
Proj. Overall |
Proj. Bowl |
|
| Cincinnati | 7-0 | 12-0 | Orange |
| South Florida | 5-2 | 9-3 | Meineke Car Care |
| Connecticut | 5-2 | 8-4 | St. Petersburg |
| Pittsburgh | 4-3 | 8-4 | International |
| West Virginia | 4-3 | 8-4 | PapaJohns.com |
| Louisville | 2-5 | 5-7 | |
| Syracuse | 1-6 | 4-8 | |
| Rutgers | 0-7 | 4-8 |
- Back to the top for Cincinnati after Pittsburgh took the top spot two weeks ago. Obviously Tony Pike needs to be healthy for them to run the table, but with the tie-breaker over South Florida, it does appear that they'll have at least one game's worth of leeway.
- I'll be very interested to see how UConn responds to Saturday night's tragedy. When you lose a player like that, things could go either way--either you come together and get really hot, or the team just really can't focus very well overall on football.
- Rutgers, Rutgers, Rutgers...
Big Ten
| Proj. Conf. |
Proj. Overall |
Proj. Bowl |
|
| Iowa | 7-1 | 11-1 | Rose |
| Penn State | 7-1 | 11-1 | Fiesta |
| Wisconsin | 6-2 | 10-2 | Capital One |
| Ohio State | 6-2 | 9-3 | Outback |
| Minnesota | 4-4 | 7-5 | Champs Sports |
| Purdue | 4-4 | 5-7 | |
| Michigan | 3-5 | 7-5 | Alamo |
| Michigan State | 3-5 | 5-7 | |
| Indiana | 2-6 | 5-7 | |
| Northwestern | 1-7 | 4-8 | |
| Illinois | 1-7 | 2-10 |
- Ohio State's sad loss to Purdue opens up the door for Iowa and Penn State at the top...and Iowa wins the tie-breaker. A 1-loss Penn State team is still probably a pretty good BCS conference draw.
- Honestly, Ohio State would probably still get into the Capital One Bowl over Bucky Badger, but we'll stick with this.
- Michigan State has been playing a lot better lately, so it wouldn't surprise me if they ended up moving over the six-win mark.
- Illinois, Illinois, Illinois...
Conference USA
| East Division | Proj. Conf. |
Proj. Overall |
Proj. Bowl |
| Marshall | 5-3 | 7-6 | Hawaii |
| Southern Miss | 4-4 | 6-6 | St. Petersburg |
| Central Florida | 4-4 | 6-6 | GMAC |
| East Carolina | 4-4 | 5-7 | |
| Memphis | 3-5 | 4-8 | |
| UAB | 3-5 | 3-9 | |
| West Division | Proj. Conf. |
Proj. Overall |
Proj. Bowl |
| Tulsa | 8-0 | 11-2 | Liberty |
| Houston | 6-2 | 10-2 | Armed Forces |
| SMU | 5-3 | 6-6 | New Orleans |
| UTEP | 4-4 | 5-7 | |
| Tulane | 1-7 | 3-9 | |
| Rice | 1-7 | 1-11 |
- With Austin Davis' injury, the East Division has completely become a tossup. Your guess is as good as anybody else's, but right now the projections are for a surprising Marshall team to get the nod and serve as the sacrificial lamb in the conference title game against the Tulsa-Houston winner...
- ...which I have projected as Tulsa.
- SMU in a bowl...how great would that be...
Independents
| Proj. Conf. |
Proj. Overall |
Proj. Bowl |
|
| Notre Dame | -- | 9-3 | Gator |
| Navy | -- | 9-4 | Texas |
| Army | -- | 4-8 |
- I'll give Notre Dame this much: their projection continues to creep upward. It was 6-6 in August, 8-4 two weeks ago, and now 9-3. Their season could still go in a lot of different ways however. Here are some of the projected margins of their remaining games: beat BC by 0.7, beat Navy by 7.8, lose to Pitt by 0.2, beat UConn by 0.2, beat Stanford by 5.4. They are 0.2 points from going 10-2 and likely muddying the BCS bowl waters...and they're about seven points from going 6-6.
MAC
| East Division | Proj. Conf. |
Proj. Overall |
Proj. Bowl |
| Ohio | 7-1 | 9-4 | International |
| Bowling Green | 7-1 | 8-4 | Insight |
| Temple | 5-3 | 6-6 | EagleBank |
| Akron | 3-5 | 4-8 | |
| Kent State | 3-5 | 4-8 | |
| Buffalo | 1-7 | 3-9 | |
| Miami-OH | 1-7 | 1-11 | |
| West Division | Proj. Conf. |
Proj. Overall |
Proj. Bowl |
| Central Michigan | 7-1 | 10-3 | Motor City |
| Northern Illinois | 6-2 | 8-4 | GMAC |
| Western Michigan | 6-2 | 7-5 | Emerald |
| Toledo | 5-3 | 7-5 | Texas |
| Eastern Michigan | 1-7 | 2-10 | |
| Ball State | 0-8 | 0-12 |
- Quietly, Ohio has been winning some games this year...with only losses to UConn and Tennessee and wins over Bowling Green, Akron, and Miami, they are building some nice momentum for a division title. Bowling Green is projected to win out, but their one loss could be a killer.
- And Temple's still going to be bowl eligible!!!
- Speaking of bowl eligibility...thank goodness for MAC teams. Without Temple, Toledo, and Western Michigan sneaking past 5 wins, there wouldn't be enough bowl-eligible teams.
Mountain West
| Proj. Conf. |
Proj. Overall |
Proj. Bowl |
|
| TCU | 8-0 | 12-0 | Las Vegas |
| BYU | 7-1 | 10-2 | Armed Forces |
| Utah | 6-2 | 9-3 | Poinsettia |
| Colorado State | 5-3 | 8-4 | New Mexico |
| Air Force | 4-4 | 6-6 | Humanitarian |
| San Diego State | 3-5 | 5-7 | |
| Wyoming | 2-6 | 4-8 | |
| UNLV | 1-7 | 3-9 | |
| New Mexico | 0-8 | 0-12 |
- TCU's ratings saw a nice boost after they trounced a Colorado State team projected as one of the better teams in the conference. They are projected to a) go undefeated, and b) get totally screwed out of a BCS bowl bid because of Boise State and the huge names sitting at one loss.
- Meanwhile, it looks like Wyoming's nice run is going to start to fizzle.
Pac-10
| Proj. Conf. |
Proj. Overall |
Proj. Bowl |
|
| Oregon | 9-0 | 11-1 | Rose |
| USC | 7-2 | 10-2 | Holiday |
| Oregon State | 6-3 | 7-5 | Sun |
| California | 5-4 | 8-4 | Las Vegas |
| UCLA | 4-5 | 7-5 | Poinsettia |
| Arizona | 4-5 | 5-7 | |
| Stanford | 4-5 | 5-7 | |
| Washington | 4-5 | 5-7 | |
| Arizona State | 2-7 | 4-8 | |
| Washington State | 0-9 | 1-11 |
- The numbers have loved Oregon all year, and that hasn't changed. The winner of UO-USC in Eugene seems by far the most likely to win the conference, and Oregon gets the nod by an impressive 8.6 points at the moment.
- That's right, Oregon State to the Sun. Again. Not only did they play there last year (in the epic 3-0 win over Pitt), but they were Mizzou's opponent last time we went to the Sun Bowl. Good times. Would love to see UCLA there instead.
- Man oh man, do the Pac-10 and Big East need a better set of bowls.
SEC
| East Division | Proj. Conf. |
Proj. Overall |
Proj. Bowl |
| Florida | 8-0 | 13-0 | BCS Championship |
| Georgia | 5-3 | 8-4 | Chick-Fil-A |
| Tennessee | 5-3 | 8-4 | Outback |
| Kentucky | 3-5 | 7-5 | PapaJohns.com |
| South Carolina | 3-5 | 6-6 | Music City |
| Vanderbilt | 0-8 | 2-10 | |
| West Division | Proj. Conf. |
Proj. Overall |
Proj. Bowl |
| Alabama | 8-0 | 12-1 | Sugar |
| Arkansas | 5-3 | 9-3 | Cotton |
| LSU | 5-3 | 9-3 | Capital One |
| Auburn | 3-5 | 7-5 | Liberty |
| Ole Miss | 2-6 | 6-6 | Independence |
| Mississippi State | 1-7 | 3-9 |
- Florida started the season with a gigantic advantage over everybody. They've still got one over most teams, but Alabama has crept to within a point. Clearly they need to start rounding into shape for the stretch run...though if they're getting calls like they got in the fourth quarter on Saturday, I guess maybe they don't need to.
- Arkansas is still looking at a rock-solid season, though Auburn's projection has fallen a game. Can't lose to Kentucky...even though UK's now looking at a pretty solid finish to the season.
- Bobby Bowden's (potential) final opponent in the Music City Bowl? Steve Spurrier. Sweet.
- The Independence Bowl is shaping up as the Disappointments Bowl, pitting Ole Miss and Kansas against each other.
Sun Belt
| Proj. Conf. |
Proj. Overall |
Proj. Bowl |
|
| Troy | 8-0 | 9-3 | New Orleans |
| Florida Atlantic | 6-2 | 7-5 | EagleBank |
| UL-Monroe | 6-2 | 7-5 | Emerald |
| Middle Tennessee | 5-3 | 7-5 | Motor City |
| Arkansas State | 4-4 | 5-7 | |
| North Texas | 3-5 | 5-7 | |
| UL-Lafayette | 2-6 | 4-8 | |
| Florida International | 2-6 | 2-10 | |
| Western Kentucky | 0-8 | 0-12 |
- Not a lot to say here. UL-Monroe is still in line for their first bowl bid ever, which is pretty cool. I always enjoy the underdog story. And I watched part of their win over Arkansas State on ESPN2 the other night...they've got some speed. No size whatsoever, but speed.
WAC
| Proj. Conf. |
Proj. Overall |
Proj. Bowl |
|
| Boise State | 8-0 | 13-0 | Fiesta |
| Nevada | 7-1 | 8-4 | Hawaii |
| Fresno State | 6-2 | 8-4 | New Mexico |
| Idaho | 5-3 | 8-4 | Humanitarian |
| Louisiana Tech | 3-5 | 4-8 | |
| Utah State | 3-5 | 4-8 | |
| San Jose State | 2-6 | 3-9 | |
| Hawaii | 1-7 | 4-9 | |
| New Mexico State | 1-7 | 3-10 |
- Idaho!! I'm pretty sure no fanbase would be more thrilled to play on the blue field in late-December than the Vandals'.
- Nevada still looking at making Missouri look pretty good. Their only projected loss the rest of the way is (predictably) at Boise State.
Bowl Projections
| Date | Bowl | Tie-ins | Matchup |
| 12/19 | New Mexico | MWC vs WAC | Colorado State (8-4) vs Fresno State (8-4) |
| 12/19 | St. Petersburg | Big East vs C-USA | Connecticut (8-4) vs Southern Miss (6-6) |
| 12/20 | New Orleans | C-USA vs Sun Belt #1 | Troy (9-3) vs SMU (6-6) |
| 12/22 | Las Vegas | MWC #1 vs Pac-10 | TCU (12-0) vs California (8-4) |
| 12/23 | Poinsettia | MWC vs Pac-10 #6 | Utah (9-3) vs UCLA (7-5) |
| 12/24 | Hawaii | C-USA vs WAC | Nevada (8-4) vs Marshall (7-6) |
| 12/26 | Little Caesar's Pizza! Pizza! |
Big Ten #7 vs MAC | Central Michigan (10-3) vs Middle Tennessee (7-5) |
| 12/26 | Meineke Car Care | ACC #5-7 vs Big East #3 | South Florida (9-3) vs Virginia (6-6) |
| 12/26 | Emerald | ACC #5-7 vs Pac-10 | Western Michigan (7-5) vs UL-Monroe (7-5) |
| 12/27 | Music City | ACC #5-7 vs SEC |
Florida State (6-6) vs South Carolina (6-6) |
| 12/28 | Independence | Big 12 vs SEC | Kansas (6-6) vs Ole Miss (6-6) |
| 12/29 | Eagle Bank | ACC #8 vs Army | Florida Atlantic (7-5) vs Temple (6-6) |
| 12/29 | Champs Sports | ACC #4 vs Big Ten #4-5 | Boston College (8-4) vs Minnesota (7-5) |
| 12/30 | Humanitarian | MWC vs WAC | Idaho (8-4) vs Air Force (6-6) |
| 12/30 | Holiday | Big 12 #3 vs Pac-10 #2 | USC (10-2) vs Oklahoma (8-4) |
| 12/30 | Texas | Big 12 #8 vs Navy | Navy (9-4) vs Toledo (7-5) |
| 12/31 | Armed Forces | C-USA vs MWC | Houston (10-2) vs BYU (10-2) |
| 12/31 | Sun | Big 12 vs Pac-10 #3 | Missouri (9-3) vs Oregon State (7-5) |
| 12/31 | Insight | Big Ten #6 vs Big 12 #6 | Bowling Green (8-4) vs Texas Tech (7-5) |
| 12/31 | Chick-Fil-A | ACC #2 vs SEC | Virginia Tech (10-3) vs Georgia (8-4) |
| 1/1 | Outback | Big Ten #3 vs SEC | Ohio State (9-3) vs Tennessee (8-4) |
| 1/1 | Capital One | Big Ten #2 vs SEC | Wisconsin (10-2) vs LSU (9-3) |
| 1/1 | Gator | ACC #3 vs Big East/ND | Georgia Tech (9-3) vs Notre Dame (9-3) |
| 1/1 | Rose | BCS vs BCS | Iowa (11-1) vs Oregon (11-1) |
| 1/1 | Sugar | BCS vs BCS | Alabama (12-1) vs Miami-FL (11-1) |
| 1/2 | International | Big East vs MAC | Pittsburgh (8-4) vs Ohio (9-4) |
| 1/2 | PapaJohns.com | Big East vs SEC | West Virginia (8-4) vs Kentucky (7-5) |
| 1/2 | Cotton | Big 12 #2 vs SEC | Nebraska (10-3) vs Arkansas (9-3) |
| 1/2 | Liberty | C-USA #1 vs SEC | Tulsa (11-2) vs Auburn (7-5) |
| 1/2 | Alamo | Big Ten #4-5 vs Big 12 #5 | Oklahoma State (9-3) vs Michigan (7-5) |
| 1/4 | Fiesta | BCS vs BCS | Boise State (13-0) vs Penn State (11-1) |
| 1/5 | Orange | BCS vs BCS | Cincinnati (12-0) vs Clemson (9-4) |
| 1/6 | GMAC | ACC #9 vs MAC | Northern Illinois (8-4) vs Central Florida (6-6) |
| 1/7 | BCS Championship | BCS #1 vs BCS #2 |
Florida (13-0) vs Texas (13-0) |
- Seriously, some great freaking matchups here.
Alabama vs Miami
Auburn vs Tulsa (Malzahn versus his old team)
Florida State vs South Carolina (Bowden vs Spurrier)
Houston vs BYU
Georgia Tech vs Notre Dame
USC vs Oklahoma!
TCU vs California - Temple and SMU in bowl games!!!
- Still some nasty ones too (NIU vs UCF, Pitt vs Ohio, USF vs UVa), but still...lots of good stuff here.
- Bruce Feldman currently has Boise State and TCU projected in BCS games, and I would love to have the same, but...I just don't see the bowl committees passing up 1-loss Miami, Alabama, and Penn State teams (not to mention a 2-loss USC team) in favor of the Horned Frogs. I wish they were forced to do so, but I think only the top non-BCS team is required to be taken (if ranked high enough). The second one's probably SOL.
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Thanks for this
You are right on point with regards to the BCS:
They are not obligated to take anyone beyond the top rated Non-AQ team.
"Huey: [narrating] I did battle with ignorance today, and ignorance won. I admit that I'm often... vexed at the behavior of my people. Yeah... 'vexed' is a good word." ~ The Boondocks
Would the Sun Bowl really do that?
I’d have to think that Mizzou to the Sun Bowl wouldn’t be a problem for that committee — 2006 → 2009 is a decent enough wait for one team - but a team twice in a row? And beyond that…repeat a matchup from three years ago?
I’d bet it’s UCLA vs. Mizzou in El Paso. And yeah, I just threw up a little bit.
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
Pinkel vs. Mangino
If KU really does fall apart and go 6-6 with Todd Reesing and their two best WRs of all-time, while Missouri goes 8-4/9-3 with an almost completely new cast of characters, do you think Gary Pinkel will finally get credit for being a better coach than Mark Mangino? Me neither.
At this rate, if the fans get what they want, won’t we have to be worried about how Gary Barnett stacks up to Mangino? [/poking at the FIRE PINKEL bear]
That wouldn't even be a debate.
Barnett is OBVIOUSLY better…ahem…
Rock M Nation
Thrust nunchuk upward!
not enough bowl-eligible Big 12 teams
At the moment, it’s looking like only seven.
Rock M Nation
Thrust nunchuk upward!
Ok i gotcha, I never thought of that
I wouldnt feel bad at all if this is how it ended up,considering before the season we were supposed to what 7’ish in the Big 12. Sounds an awful lot like the way our hoops season was projected to go last yr. What 6 or 7 was it, hmm that turned out to be a pretty decent year i thought.
by Bestofthewest on Oct 19, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
No Way
There is no way the Nubs win out and end up with just one conference lose.
The Nubs still have to play:
OU
@ KU
K-State
@ CU
all of which are losable games for them.
while I agree that those are all loseable
theyy’re also all winnable, Looks like 4 toss-ups to me.
"The field mouse is fast but the owl sees at night"
I was actually AT that sun bowl game
the 3-0 snooze fest. And was it ever booooring. Especially given that I was there with Pitt fans…
and the Mustache of Truculence (formerly Canada4Mizzou)
Scenario if LESS than 68 teams are Bowl eligible...
If there are less than 68 FBS Division bowl eligible teams, then a Bowl make take a Bowl-Eligible NON-Playoff team from the FCS Division to fill the bowl slot.
So my advice is to start watching the FCS division and figure out the top 16 teams, eliminate them and then take the next bowl eligible team to fill the slot…(I know this is clear as mud, but it’s the best I can do…)
There is a God and I'm not it, after that EVERYTHING is subjective. Be careful for what you wish for, you just might GET IT!
Link to ideas about the FCS playoffs...
http://www.anygivensaturday.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65057
There is a God and I'm not it, after that EVERYTHING is subjective. Be careful for what you wish for, you just might GET IT!
Hey Bill,
Just wanted to let you know that some of your Texas Tech info is messed up. It says they’re projected at 5-3 in conference play and only 7-5 overall. That means Tech would go 2-2 in non-conf. play, but they have already gone 3-1. I don’t know if that would really change anything.
ha, you want to know why?
Because I accidentally documented the New Mexico game as a loss. Will make the fix…both to Tech’s record, and to UNM’s horrible record…
Rock M Nation
Thrust nunchuk upward!
Tech played like crap that first half, but we pulled victory out in the second half.
Also, just curious, but who do you have Tech losing to? Two more games? I know that is what everyone has been thinking, but they looked pretty good against Nebraska. The three toughest games are not all as bad as once thought. We have (a more vulnerable looking) Kansas and OU in Lubbock (where both KU and OU have not won in quite a while). Plus OSU honestly could be a toss up with the way they both have played and Tech’s defense is stepping up. Of course the qb situation is now questionable with Sheffield’s foot injury, but the former starter/backups are pretty proficient in Leach’s system.
Just wondering what your thoughts are.
Tech's remaining games:
Beat ATM by 7.7
Beat Kansas by 8.4
Lose to OSU by 4.4
Lose to OU by 8.0
Beat Baylor by 6.1
Clearly Tech’s numbers are still a bit affected by a couple of mediocre early showings—if they continue to play like they have the last two weeks, then the OSU comes within reach and they beat ATM, KU, and BU by much bigger margins.
Rock M Nation
Thrust nunchuk upward!

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