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I mean, who do we blame?
Don Beebe, for once again not sticking up for Mizzou?
Iowa State, though they are more of an innocent bystander?
The Insight Bowl Committee, for passing a clearly superior team?
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
Screw the Insight Bowl
the recruits that we’re after are in Texas. Not Arizona.
by CPC on Dec 6, 2009 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
This certainly might work out better...
…but it doesn’t change the fact that this is the third straight year we’ve been disres…excuse me…DISRESPECTED!!!! in the first Sunday (or so) in December, and to me that’s Beebe’s fault. And here’s to 28K in attendance at the Insight Bowl.
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for my feelings about this take.
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by Other Side of the Pillow on Dec 6, 2009 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
It's on the conference to stick up for its teams.
The Big XII has shown in the past three seasons that it has no interest in sticking up for its teams.
Who’s up for joining the Big 10 West (Mizzou, Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Northwestern)?
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
That's a lie.
The Big XII has shown in the past three seasons that it has no interest in sticking up for its teams.
Texas, Oklahoma, and Nebraska would like to differ.
by RPT on Dec 6, 2009 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
Excuse me.
The Big XII has shown in the past three seasons that it has no interest in sticking up for ALL of its teams.
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
Wait.
There’s more than three teams in the Big 12?
I learned something today.
by RPT on Dec 6, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
Look...
…I know it’s confusing because the Big TEN has ELEVEN teams, but trust me when I say that they are the exception as opposed to the rule.
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dude
you do realize that if we did get chosen for the insight bowl it would be on the NFL network. A channel that not even half the country has. So be happy that we can actually watch the game
We would also get half a million more in the travel budget...
…and NFL Network would have (I assume) been made available in mid-Missouri (and potentially KC or StL) just as it was in Lawrence/KC when KU was in there last year. Like we’re saying, this might end up working out better for us, but that doesn’t change the fact that we were screwed. The positive outcome is an accident. If the #8 bowl were the Humanitarian Bowl, that’s where we’d be going. It just happens to be in a good location.
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that's happened here
a Chargers game was on NFL Network instead of CBS so Channel 4 (the Padres affiliate owned by both cable companies in San Diego) broadcast the game.
by CPC on Dec 6, 2009 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
That's an NFL rule
Any game that originates on a cable network also has to be made available over the air in the markets of the teams that are playing (this happens for ESPN games). NFL Network made the game available last year in KC, but I wouldn’t bet that they’d do it again. Their stalemate with Time Warner has gotten bitter and protracted, and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if they simply refused this time.
by Michael Atchison on Dec 6, 2009 6:07 PM CST up reply actions
If they aren't in the Holiday Bowl (which was always an outside shot, I know)
then I’m glad they’re in a bowl in Texas. I’d rather they were in the Sun, Alamo or Cotton Bowls, but the Texas Bowl works too.
I understand the recruiting argument BUT
It’s really not fair for the players we already have. A bowl trip is like a reward for doing well, and we are continuously “rewarded” by playing in Texas (where many of them have spent the majority of their lives)… It would be neat to send them to a place like Arizona or somewhere where they don’t get to go very often.
And what’s more, what do we tell recruits? “Come to Mizzou where we have a tradition of being shat on by the Big XII and bowl committees”? “Come to Mizzou, because the only way you could play in Texas more is if you played for UT”?
This is frustrating. Three years in a row. Somebody needs to go to bat for us.
come to mizzou
you can work your bowl offf then go to the texas bowl. not a very good pitch if you ask me.
" If I had a gun on a boat I would shoot you right here, right now"
hehe bowl, I make no sense
should read
“come to mizzou, you can work your balls off all year then get screwed and play at the texas bowl.”
" If I had a gun on a boat I would shoot you right here, right now"
Let's think about this from the perspective of the players
First off…and lets be honest…it is about the swag. Within this thread, we have determined the swag is certainly on par.
Second, it is the location. Yes, Houston, TX is not a #1 destination, but what bowl game really is for the Big XII? Phoenix? San Antonio? Shreveport? El Paso? Dallas? To me…it is really only San Diego (and perhaps NYC in future years), but Houston is certainly comparable to AT LEAST the other TX destinations.
You get the practice no matter where you play, and some players may get the chance to visit their families (or at least visit WITH their families) for making this trip.
I get the anger…I do…but after you get past the “screwing” (which is legit)…there just is not that much left.
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Bowl Game Swag (via a link from MSNBC's Darren Rovell):
Texas
Dec. 31, 3:30 p.m., Houston, ESPN $300 Best Buy gift card Fossil watch Under Armour shirt and hat; Bowl T-shirt Under Armour backpack Belt buckle
Insight
Dec. 31, 6 p.m., Tempe, Ariz., NFL Network Sony gift suite Fossil watch Hat Ogio Bounty Hunter or Hermit laptop pack
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And this just proves I need to read the entire thread before posting something.
I will now go hang the shame curtains.
"Huey: [narrating] I did battle with ignorance today, and ignorance won. I admit that I'm often... vexed at the behavior of my people. Yeah... 'vexed' is a good word." ~ The Boondocks
Though this will probably benefit us more...
we are getting shafted for a third year in a row.
"No regrets, that's my motto. That, and everybody wang chung tonight."
I'm wondering--
if there is a discernible numbers difference in our recruiting effectiveness in Texas following our previous bowl snubs serendipitously putting us in Texas for our post-season?
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by Other Side of the Pillow on Dec 6, 2009 3:24 PM CST reply actions
I don't know that you can make the case that it is numerically quantifiable.
The big thing isn’t necessarily the face time with the recruits down in Texas, but rather continuing to develop relationships with the high school coaches in the area. And not only has Missouri gotten four consecutive Texas bowl games, they’ve done it in four different “metropolitan” areas (using that term for El Paso VERY lightly), two of which (DFW and Houston) are MAJOR bases of talent.
by RPT on Dec 6, 2009 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
Would it not be
quantifiable in the number and quality of recruits that we are now getting out of Texas now versus the number and quality prior to our run of Texas bowls?
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by Other Side of the Pillow on Dec 6, 2009 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
Can you say that MU's presence is what swayed the recruit?
by RPT on Dec 6, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
It wouldn't be us playing in texas...
it would be us winning in texas, and our overall success the last 4 years.
" If I had a gun on a boat I would shoot you right here, right now"
OK, I'll stop complaining.
Bill, can you give us a 30-second preview of how Mizzou matches up against Navy?
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
Who's ready for a series of posts...
… on stopping the Flexbone?
by RPT on Dec 6, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
GAAAAAAAAH.
Don’t you realize that I can’t make fun of Navy? THEY’RE NAVY!
This is the worst day ever.
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
I can make fun of them
I’m a USMC vet. It’s like required of me or something…
by CPC on Dec 6, 2009 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
They run a lot. Flexbone. They don't pass a lot.
We defend the run better than the pass. They’re physical on defense, and we can (ahem) scout them against Army next week.
BAM…wrote that in less than 30 seconds.
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Does this mean that we can have an Army-Navy (ahem) scouting open thread?!?!?
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woooooo scouting thread!!!!!!!!!!
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A Navy fan's breakdown
of their offense and how not to defend it
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by Other Side of the Pillow on Dec 6, 2009 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
anyone got the balls to email this link to the d coord?
Great moments are born from great opportunity.
Stec's a Marine.
No need to motivate him to find a way to take down Navy.
by RPT on Dec 6, 2009 4:38 PM CST up reply actions
I have no complaints
This is a better gig than the Insight Bowl as far as I’m concerned, regardless of “picking order.” I’m glad I’ll be able to watch it.
How is this a slight? I, for one, prefer this outcome.
My reasons are as personal as anything- Navy’s my second favorite team because I happen to be a member of that organ-I-zation. I will be rooting for the alma mater but a loss won’t hurt me at all. The more positive exposure that we will gain at the Texas Bowl has been repeated ad nauseum. I have to imagine that the Missouri athletic department agrees with me. The Insight Bowl is a second rate knock off that unsucessfully tried to repeat the Fiesta’s meteoric rise in the desert. This is just the latest example of how much they have messed up. I’d be wiling to wager that we may have told them no if they asked.
It’s amazing that we have come this far as a program. I know the competition’s not the same, but our records during the Pinkel era compare favorably to the salad days of the program. I’m only 27- but have been a Mizzou die hard for long enough to appreciate whatever positive attention we can get!
There are certainly a boatload of positives.
Don’t get me wrong, the fact that Mizzou is going to the Texas Bowl means that I’ll probably be able to attend my third consecutive MU bowl game. It’s big for recruiting and it also improves MU’s television reach.
But in no way does any of this change the fact that Missouri was indeed slighted. The Insight Bowl is higher on the bowl ladder, like it or not. The outcome of the slight may end up being positive, but that doesn’t mean there was no injustice involved.
by RPT on Dec 6, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
The payout is certainly much less...
As of 2006, 1.2 mil for Insight and 750,000 for a Big 12 team in the Texas Bowl. But I will be able to see the Tigers legally for only the third time this year here in California. That alone seems worth it to me!
If this squad responds to this pick as motivation, unlike what they seem to have done last year, then that just seems all the better.
by parliamentlite on Dec 6, 2009 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
It had to be done:
Credit for the Truman photo, of course, goes to the dearly departed MissouriTigers.com.
by RPT on Dec 6, 2009 3:34 PM CST reply actions 7 recs
awesome
Will Ebners Hit Parade, Pain TV; Channel 32; All the time! (PDT)
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Dec 6, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
after a dozen reloads, I finally get the pic. Nice.
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by Other Side of the Pillow on Dec 6, 2009 6:11 PM CST up reply actions
alright, so...
…who’s in charge of finding a Navy Athletics blog? Not it.
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it's
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by Other Side of the Pillow on Dec 6, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
actually, that's their
depth chart. I found it when I was researching the “fullback effect”
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by Other Side of the Pillow on Dec 6, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
Oh my, I'm going to like those guys.
Here’s how things look in the Big 12 right now:
Bowl eligible: Texas (10-0), Oklahoma State (8-2), Nebraska (7-3), Oklahoma (6-4), Texas Tech (6-4), Iowa State (6-5), Missouri (6-4)
Still alive: Kansas State (6-5), Kansas (5-5), Texas A&M (5-5), Baylor (4-6)
LOL no: Colorado (3-7)
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
At least we know the Big 12 acknowledged it...
"There is concern about the precedent set for teams with better conference records not being selected after having beaten a team head to head," said Bob Burda, conference communications director.
"No regrets, that's my motto. That, and everybody wang chung tonight."
"there is concern..."
…that could be the most passive sentence I’ve ever read.
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You know... not necessarily the CONFERENCE'S concern
we could give a s**t. But, someone, not in Texas, has concern.
AND ITS NEVER WRONG!!!!! OMG!!!
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
Remember that neato
Les Miles Wiki?
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by Other Side of the Pillow on Dec 6, 2009 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
I realllllly hope that's valid
If you watch Rambo backwards, it's Sylvester Stallone healing people with his magic bullet vacuum.
by ratherfantastic on Dec 6, 2009 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
gone now, so I rather doubt it
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The more I think about it, the more I adore this matchup.
If Mizzou can beat Navy, and hold the ground game to a minimum, wouldn’t that shut up the “FULLBACK!!!11111” crowd?
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What's more American?
Than kickin’ the crap out of the future defenders of your country on national television?
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Never.
There’s a portion of this fan base that NO amount of good will can ever satisfy.
by RPT on Dec 6, 2009 4:38 PM CST up reply actions
Case in point: "PINKEL CAN NEVER WIN THE BIG GAME...
…EVEN THOUGH HE WON THE BIGGEST GAME IN SCHOOL HISTORY 24 MONTHS AGO."
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I'm gonna make a really stupid comment
And suggest that all the Mizzou “fans” bury the “Pinkel can’t win” mystique…fifth straight bowl game and sixth in seven years out to tell people to shut the hell up.
Problem is, they don’t remember Woody Woodenhoffer and Bob Stull…
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actually.......
The purpose of a fullback is to grind out those few yards that you need when its 3rd or 4th and 1 for the first down.. so that wouldn’t shut me up. you sound like you’re saying the one’s who call for a fullback are the dumb ones but when in actuality, when was the last time a team won the national championship without a fullback? When we had 3rd and goal on the 1 against Oklahoma State on the first trip to the red zone in 2008, we didn’t score a touchdown because the coaches believe it is easier to get 7 yards in the shotgun than 1 inch. the tigers should have gone under center and pushed forward. that would have potentially won the game because we lost by 4. We would have had a touchdown, which is 4 more points and would not have gone for 2 on another touchdown-that wins the game and is only won example of why we lost because we don’t have a back who can just finish a drive or get a first down. I realize the quarterback can’t do this evertime he lines up undercenter, but those other times a fullback WILL. WOULDN’T 2 MORE WINS A SEASON SHUT YOU UP IF WE HAD A FULLBACK, SIR?
testy, testy
I would imagine if there were a situation where a fullback for blocking was needed, he would call on either of the Tight Ends. I can’t think of a formation off hand where he would use both TE’s and still need a FB…not in the style Missouri plays.
But to sit and whine about an 8-4 season (and yes, I would agree that we could have won 2 more games, but not because of a FB…because of a full strength QB) coming off of two of the best consecutive seasons MIzzou has put together in a long time, is ludicrous. You show absolutely no respect for those of us who have followed this program for the last 25+ years since Mizzou was relevant in the early 80’s. You think an 8-4 season is just awful, but I see it as a positive rebuilding year after suffering through almost a decade of 3-8 seasons.
Also, I don’t see you post here often, but if you were around more, you might get the gist of ghtd’s comments…
by CPC on Dec 6, 2009 7:10 PM CST up reply actions
Well...
When was the last time a team won the national championship without a fullback?
Not counting the one that plays quarterback and not counting H-backs, you can make the case for 2008.
by RPT on Dec 6, 2009 7:19 PM CST up reply actions
C'mon, Man!
when was the last time a team won the national championship without a fullback?
Well, just this decade, without thinking too hard, I’ve got Florida in 2008, Florida in 2006 and Texas in 2005.
Considering that most fullbacks don’t even always get the carries on 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1, I think your “argument” doesn’t hold water.
We are not a traditional 2-back, pro-style offense anymore. We left that beach behind years ago. We are who we are, and have been quite successful running what we run.
We had a fullback all of those years in the 80s and 90s. How much success did we have then?
Now, I am a guy who would probably be coaching offense if I were coaching football (and might when the little man gets older—if I allow him to play at all). And while I tend to lean towards being a pitch and catch guy, I can find beauty in a 3 yard dive play.
To split hairs about 8-4 and 10-2 because we didn’t have a fullback is ludicrous. No one was bitching about FBs when we went 12-2, were they? If they were, then they are ridiculous, and I have no problem saying that.
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Overheard at the Cotton Bowl:
PA Announcer: “Hillis. 2-yard gain.”
Random Mizzou fan: “WHO USES A FULLBACK?!?”
by RPT on Dec 7, 2009 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
Anyone know
What the difference in gifts the players receive between Insight and Texas bowls? Could be the difference between and ipod and a walkman, y’know?
"Wherever you go, there you are" - Buckaroo Bonzai
Last year....
Per this site
Texas Bowl – Looks like at least $300 from Best Buy, a Swisstek watch, a backpack and some Under Armour
Insight Bowl – 26 inch Vizio LCD and a Bulova Watch (and a hat)
Honestly, Texas Bowl looks a HAIR better..probably because of the under armour
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$300 from best buy buys you more than a 26' TV
don’t you think?
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Probably
I got the 27" vizio from WalMart for right at 300…
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yep...same stuff...so really pretty even up
I suppose I would prefer the GC just so I could get whatever I wanted…and if I wanted the 26 inch Vizio, I imagine I could get it with the 300 bones.
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I think the 300 is on top of....
the 400 dollar party, as per the * at the bottom of the page. Quite a deal! I wonder if the listing had a redundancy.
by parliamentlite on Dec 6, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
Off topic...anyone see where Josh Freeman threw FIVE ints today?
wow…that is really something special in the NFL since you dont normally get a huge amount of possessions…
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Even with 5 INTs
his 300+ yards gave him (at 36.5) a higher QB rating than 16 million dollar Matt Cassel (at 14.6)
I know I know— Rather have Matt Cassel…. Bobby Wade couldn’t catch a cold… etc. etc. I’m just sayin.
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by Other Side of the Pillow on Dec 6, 2009 4:46 PM CST up reply actions
Let's hope Gabbert was watching
The measurables are all there, but even before the injury- he needs lots of polish regarding standing in the pocket and not throwing off the back foot.
by parliamentlite on Dec 6, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions
Is it?
Didn’t your boy Sanchez do it earlier in the year?
by RPT on Dec 6, 2009 4:57 PM CST up reply actions
I believe so...makes it no less or more special
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But I guess I am sorry I dared mock Josh Freeman
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NEVER apologize for mocking Josh Freeman...
…no matter how much some silly Texan mocks your J-E-T-S-JETS-JETS-JETS.
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Sanchez and JETS finally figured out to go with their strengths
rushing and defense. They will break .500 next weekend likely against the Bucs, which will give them just a glimmer of playoff hope, before finishing against Atlanta, Cincy and Indy destroys all hope :-)
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when did Seth McFarland
start playing football?
Formerly known as Mizzou Grad
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Dave Matter's take
Get ready to unload the 1960 references.
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Unrelated to the "Texas Bowl is ok" sentiment, I know I'm supposed to feel better
after reading that and the “justification”, but I don’t. If the system allows for the fluidity of selecting worse teams by record, then shouldn’t we get a shot at being the “lower record”? Have we hit a glass ceiling within the conference and just understand what we are and be happy with it? I disagree with Alden in one respect… I (and i know this is not universal) don’t allow this to affect my valuation of the program… it is my valuation of the program that causes me to be so indignant at this point. I know this has been discussed ad nauseum but I have to say it out loud to get it out of my system.
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by Other Side of the Pillow on Dec 6, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
I think it boils down to
the perception of how we travel. If you’re hosting a bowl, which team sounds like it would bring more fans? Nebraska or Missouri? Not to mention that Nebraska was successful during the bowl explosion in the 90’s and created relationships with alot of these bowls.
by CPC on Dec 6, 2009 6:14 PM CST up reply actions
ACC has a new rule
to prevent a bowl from selecting a team that is more than 1 game worse than an available team in the conference. It is known as the BC Rule, since BC was always getting picked over for lesser teams such as NC State, etc. However, that would not have helped you this year, as you were 4-4 and Iowa State and A&M were 3-5 in conference.
Texas Bowl was the right call for the league
They have to do a better job of saying that the Independence, Insight, and Texas Bowls choose based on matchups and local needs.
I don’t think the relationship plays out nearly so well for the Insight. Whereas they can at least sell “local” interest among the hordes of transplanted Midwesterners living in Arizona. That bowl HAS to put butts in the seats, and no way Missouri does it. MU is better off in Houston and the Texas Bowl is better off with MU than ISU.
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Having said that, the conference tie-ins are the pisser. The SEC’s tie-ins are just so much better.
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TCU vs. Boise
Another terrible decision, in my mind. Thoughts?
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yea. one should be playing in the orange bowl. not each other.
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Agreed
BCS continually shows they haven’t the slighest clue of how to pick bowl games.
"Wherever you go, there you are" - Buckaroo Bonzai
Gotta figure that's not-so-subtle pressure coming from the power conferences
they don’t get much for beating the non-qualifying conference teams but get hammered if they lose.
a playoff, by the way, does not exactly resolve this problem. we see it many years in march madness, where the hot mid-majors play in the opening round 8-9 game or are seeded to match up in the second round.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Depends on how the teams are seeded in a playoff
if it’s based on BCS Ranking (or something very similar), then it just matters how it falls. The NCAA Tourney is strictly done by people setting up matchups. If it was done by computer, that would go away.
Also depends on how many teams are in the playoff
You talkin’ 4, 8, or 16? 4 and you’ll piss off everyone every year outside of two SEC teams, Ohio State, and either USC or Oklahoma/Texas. With eight you add in a possible BIg East school if the perform like Cincy did this year and MAYBE a non-bcs buster like TCU. Now 16 teams I can get on board with, but honestly no one will agree to that…
"Wherever you go, there you are" - Buckaroo Bonzai
Personally
I think we need 16. 11 recognized Div-1A conference champions + 5 at-larges. Seeded by BCS rankings (or whatever still exists at that time that takes computer rankings into account. Top 5 ranked teams who are not conf champs get in.
As far as where to play the games? I’d say 1st round on-campus, as an advantage to the “better” team (and a guarantee for attendance). After that, you use the traditional bowls. All teams that don’t make the playoff can still play in the unused traditional bowls. More prestigious bows rotate the semis and championship.
See, I'd agree to that
Take it to Kansas City and I’ll be right there with you.
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That's pretty much
exactly what I have drawn up for the last few years. Add in a rule where no more than 2 teams can get in per conference, and you’d have it. Also, get rid of the championship games and require 10 of 11 games be against D-1 opponents.
by CPC on Dec 6, 2009 7:43 PM CST up reply actions
You'll lose it there
Conference championship games are money makers.
And those patty-cake easy D-1A games in September usually are good for filling up a stadium because the home town team is positive to show up and see their boys put up a good win (unless it’s MIchigan).
"Wherever you go, there you are" - Buckaroo Bonzai
sorry
but when you’re going to allow 2 teams per conference, a championship game is pointless.
How about this: First round games can be played either on campus or in NFL stadiums in the general area of the “better” team…does that seem fair now?
Also, with 10 of 11 games against D-1 competition, remember that will include the WAC, Mtn West, etc. But at least everyone is on a level playing field…and you can still have your warmup game vs. a D-1AA opponent.
by CPC on Dec 6, 2009 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
Oh I'm for it
If it were up to me, it would be like “TNT Nitro” and you’d have the best of the best going at each other every week and D-1AA would stay where they belong.
But what I think is plausible is different.
Taking two teams from a conference doesn’t necessarily mean they will take the respresentatives from the conference championship game. Look at the Big 12 two seasons ago – under the proposed playoff format, would you have chosen Oklahoma and Mizzou, or go the route that the BCS did and pick a one loss Kansas? Or perhaps a Texas team who Mizzou had the good fortune of not playing that season – and probably would have been pasted if they had, judging by our historic performance with the ’Horns.
"Wherever you go, there you are" - Buckaroo Bonzai
Only 5 at-large teams will get in
which means at most, there will be 5 of 11 conferences with 2 teams, and that assumes no independent teams get in (Notre Dame).
But, I don’t know why you should limit it to 2 teams? If the computers say that there are 2 SEC teams in the top 5 non-conference-winners, I don’t know why they shouldn’t get in.
It's simple
so the SEC and the media who love the SEC can’t put Florida, Alabama, Georgia and LSU in every year. If you look back historically (and maybe I"ll put some data together and repost this in a fanpost), I’m sure you’ll see that that rule wouldn’t have made a big difference.
by CPC on Dec 6, 2009 9:49 PM CST up reply actions
I don't care HOW conferences choose their champions
I’d prefer to see everyone using conference championship games. Granted, that means the NCAA Champ could end up playing 17 games, which isn’t ideal, but is that all that much worse than 16 games?
Unless, of course, you need the first week of December to schedule the 1st round of the playoff. But, I don’t know how to determine who the winner of a conference is if there’s a tie, if you don’t have a championship game.
16 team playoff would
ruin the best regular season in all of sports.
6 team playoff
is my preferred system. Best system that still keeps the drama of losing a single game could knock you out of the playoffs
is it that much worse
that a single loss could mean you’re playing the nation’s #1 ranked team in the first round? The spread in quality between the top and bottom of the 16 teams who make it into the playoffs would be intimidatingly ENORMOUS.
and the Mustache of Truculence (formerly Canada4Mizzou)
This argument was destroyed, IMHO
by LSU getting in with 2 losses a couple of years ago.
I think having the five unbeaten teams this year complicated matters a little bit.
But I still find it laughable that the regular season is viewed as the best when the postseason becomes a total letdown that is swayed by the popular vote of people who have no time to actually study things before turning in their ballots.
"Huey: [narrating] I did battle with ignorance today, and ignorance won. I admit that I'm often... vexed at the behavior of my people. Yeah... 'vexed' is a good word." ~ The Boondocks
The winners of the conferences would still need to be
either undefeated or have 1 loss to get the automatic bid, and the at-large teams would need to have as good of a record as possible. It might, actually, make the regular season BETTER, since teams wouldn’t be penalized as much by losing to a great opponent in the non-con, and would be more likely to take a chance in their scheduling.
Assume you mean 1 conference loss
Otherwise everyone is scheduling wall to wall cupcakes wherever possible to avoid the hint of a loss.
and the Mustache of Truculence (formerly Canada4Mizzou)
They'll do that anyway
As long as the reward for playing harder schedules isn’t raised. Sure, you can afford one loss, but why take the chance when two losses could knock you out of the playoffs? It’s just a stupid risk unless the system rewards playing a tough schedule more than it does at present.
After next season Texas Bowl gets first choice after BCS for Big 12 teams
from the official announcement
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Over the Cotton Bowl?
Or is the Cotton Bowl a BCS now?
The announcement says . . .
fifth choice, not first choice. Now it’s seventh. If we pretend that it started a year early, we’re slated perfectly.
by Michael Atchison on Dec 6, 2009 7:27 PM CST up reply actions
apparently I had a stroke while typing
I would have sworn I typed fifth.
My bad.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Overall though, I'd say the profile of the Texas Bowl is on the upswing
the Insight Bowl — not so much.
If I were going to gripe I’d say that playing Georgia in Shreveport might have been fruitful. Getting a foothold in Louisiana.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
I would have loved a shot at UGA in the Indy
Anytime Mizzou can play (and beat) an SEC team I’m good with it
"Wherever you go, there you are" - Buckaroo Bonzai
spin spin spin spin spin
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by Other Side of the Pillow on Dec 6, 2009 9:09 PM CST up reply actions
WOOHOO!
A.) Navy is a better and more prestigious opponent than Michigan State this year.
B.) Houston is a better city in general and in particular is better for recruiting than Arizona is. Incidentally, it’s also within driving distance of myself, while Arizona is not.
C.) It’s on ESPN, not NFL Network
D.) It’s in a better time slot
Aside from being earlier in the selection procedure, there is no way in which the Insight Bowl is more prestigious than the Texas Bowl.
BS
Houston is not a better city in general than Phoenix. It may be a better recruiting area but it’s not a better city.
Or I’m biased.
by mizzousundevil on Dec 7, 2009 7:03 AM CST up reply actions
This from a Longhorn
You folks are way better off in the Texas Bowl than the Insight or Sun. Pinkel and staff can spend a week wooing Texas HS coaches. Navy will both draw a decent to good national TV rating, and there’s lot of retired military in Texas to boost the game attendance. Game’s in an NFL stadium, not U. of Arizona. And Insight opponent, Minnesota, is a bad team that played in the same bowl last year and got blown out by, uh, the Chickens from across the border.
And, yeah, were lucky. Make that damn lucky Saturday night.
Not correct
Insight is not held at UofA/Tucson anymore. It’s held at Sun Devil Stadium in Tempe. Sure it’s ASU’s home stadium but it also hosted the Super Bowl and the Cardinals for a number of years.
by mizzousundevil on Dec 7, 2009 7:02 AM CST up reply actions
This has nothing to do with our bowl but
did anyone see on espn charlie wiese is accusing pete carroll of living with,or having a relationship with a grad student at usc.
Best BBQ in H-Town
Goode Company BBQ on Kirby just south of 59.
Get the chopped beef brisket sandwich on jalapeño cheese bread, side of beans and slaw, loaded baked potato and a slice of their Brazos Bottom Pecan Pie. You can wither wash it down with their excellent iced tea, or just grab yourself a longneck bottle of Shiner Bock.
Oh, man. I need to get back to my erstwhile hometown.
The sleeper has awoken. . .awakened. . .he woke up.
Ooooh...
I forgot we have a resident Houstonian on here.
by RPT on Dec 6, 2009 9:34 PM CST up reply actions
some more
Antone’s PoBoys – brown wrapper for me
Nit Noi for Thai
Star Pizza
Amy’s Icecream
and I have a secret place for breakfast tacos that none of you BASTARDS will ever earn.
The sleeper has awoken. . .awakened. . .he woke up.
fine, next time you're in San Diego
I won’t share my breakfast tacos.
by CPC on Dec 6, 2009 9:51 PM CST up reply actions
Best breakfast tacos in Houston
Villa Arcos.
"No regrets, that's my motto. That, and everybody wang chung tonight."
Let me run this past you folks
Seems to me that Boise State and TCU get the ultimate slight from the BCS…not only are they robbed of any opportunity whatsoever at the national title, but their so-called BCS game is basically a retread of last years’ Las Vegas bowl. I mean, if these awesome small conference teams finish undefeated, it should be a g*dammed rule that they get to play a BCS conference school. This way if they knock off Florida or Iowa or Ohio State or Oregon (again), they have some beef for a split national title. What a travesty. These guys play their butts off for two of the best seasons in their schools’ histories, and all they get is a game against a non-BCS team. Ridiculous.
"This looks like it could be gravy."
-Carl the Groundskeeper, Caddyshack
Sleepy, edsp, or CEW
Closer to time, one of you PLEASE start an “RMN Guide to Houston” FanPost to discuss eateries and bars and such Mizzou fans need to frequent. Come closer to time, we’ll make sure to promote it.
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