What If...Mizzou had signed Tyler Hansbrough? (Part Two)
Why dredge up this sad "What If..." in the middle of Mizzou's most exciting season in 15 years? Mental masturbation? Not really...though there's never anything wrong with some good mental masturbation, right?
There's a method to the madness, I promise...read to the end...or, well, just skip to the end...

So the 2005-06 season went pretty damn well with this guy in black and gold. How did recruiting go?
2006 Recruiting Class
First things first: the major recruit Mizzou lands in this class is a senior: Thomas Gardner. I do believe his declaration for the draft was mostly a response to Quin Snyder's dismissal. With Quin at the helm and a successful team around him, I say Gardner returns to Columbia for his fourth season to try to bolster his draft prospects to the first-round level.
The way basketball recruiting is set up, there is no immediate bounce in recruiting when a team does better than expected. Most of the big-time guys in the 2006 class had already signed by the time Hansbrough would have played his first game in black and gold. Piecing together what I was able to remember/uncover from who Quin was recruiting when he got fired, here's Mizzou's class of signees:
- Keon Lawrence (***), the man, the myth.
- Ty Morrison (***), a 6'7 JUCO player at Redlands (OK), Morrison did in fact sign with Mizzou in the fall of 2005. He was supposed to be a pretty big-time, all-around player.
- Keaton Grant (***). As you remember, Grant signed with Mizzou before heading to prep school. The following year, he held off on re-signing with Mizzou in the fall and ended up re-opening his recruitment and signing with Purdue. With Mizzou's success and the fact that Quin Snyder is still the coach, we'll say he re-signs.
- Ben Hansbrough (**). Naturally. If Tyler's playing for Mizzou, I estimate that there's a 119% chance that Ben would have followed.
And with two extra players (Tyler, Gardner) in black and gold already, that's all the scholarships Mizzou has to give this time around. Sorry, Vaidatos Volkus.
2006-07 Season
New stats for '06-'07:
| Player | Min/gm | Stat line |
| Thomas Gardner (Sr) | 34.5 | 21.1 PPG, 3.6 RPG, 2.1 APG |
| Tyler Hansbrough (So) | 30.9 | 19.0 PPG, 8.2 RPG, 1.2 APG |
| Keon Lawrence (Fr) | 25.2 | 10.4 PPG, 3.1 RPG, 2.0 APG |
| Jason Horton (Jr) | 23.7 | 3.7 PPG, 2.2 RPG, 3.4 APG |
| Marshall Brown (Jr) | 19.3 | 6.9 PPG, 3.4 RPG, 1.0 APG |
| Leo Lyons (So) | 15.9 | 4.4 PPG, 4.0 RPG, 0.3 APG |
| Kalen Grimes (Jr) | 14.7 | 3.4 PPG, 3.3 RPG |
| Ben Hansbrough (Fr) | 11.6 | 3.6 PPG, 1.4 RPG, 1.6 APG |
| Matt Lawrence (So) | 10.5 | 2.3 PPG, 1.1 RPG |
| Ty Morrison (Jr) | 8.3 | 1.6 PPG (done after 10 gms) |
| Keaton Grant (Fr) | 7.1 | 1.5 PPG |
| Marcus Watkins (Sr) | 5.7 | 1.0 PPG |
| Glen Dandridge (Jr) | 0.0 | transfer |
Notes:
- With the logjam of players at the SG and SF positions--K. Lawrence, B. Hansbrough, M. Lawrence, Grant, Watkins, Dandridge--we'll say that Dandridge ends up transferring a year earlier. Just not enough minutes to go around.
- Ty Morrison ended up at Creighton in '06-'07, and he ended up quitting after about 10 games due to Graves Disease (ouch). What that means for this team is that they are VERY thin in the post after T. Hansbrough. It's TH, Brown, Lyons, Grimes...and that's it. And we all know Brown never was truly built like a PF.
- The minutes are much more well-distributed in '06-'07 thanks to Keon Lawrence slowly overtaking Jason Horton for key minutes, and to B. Hansbrough, M. Lawrence and Grant all taking turns with "first guard off the bench" minutes.
- In the end, Mizzou averages about 0.5 PPG more than Mike Anderson's '06-'07 squad did, while giving up about 4.7 PPG less thanks to T. Hansbrough's defense and a slower pace.
- (And yes, here's where 'projections' get VERY shaky. We're taking the results of an '06-'07 team coached by Mike Anderson and altering them for results of an '06-'07 team coached by Quin Snyder and manned by five new players. But whatcha gonna do...)
So here are the new '06-'07 results. Again, bolded games are changed results.
| 11/10 | N.C. A&T | W | 102 | 75 | 1-0 | |
| 11/11 | Army | W | 68 | 54 | 2-0 | |
| 11/12 | Stetson | W | 67 | 40 | 3-0 | |
| 11/16 | Lipscomb | W | 90 | 64 | 4-0 | |
| 11/25 | Stephen F. Austin | W | 86 | 52 | 5-0 | |
| 11/27 | Coppin State | W | 99 | 72 | 6-0 | |
| 11/30 | Arkansas | W | 87 | 59 | 7-0 | |
| 12/3 | Evansville | W | 74 | 50 | 8-0 | |
| 12/9 | at Purdue | L | 62 | 74 | 8-1 | |
| 12/19 | vs Illinois | W | 70 | 68 | 9-1 | |
| 12/30 | Southern U. | W | 88 | 54 | 10-1 | |
| 1/2 | Mississippi State | W | 84 | 70 | 11-1 | |
| 1/6 | Iowa State | W | 66 | 61 | 12-1 | 1-0 |
| 1/10 | at Texas | L | 68 | 84 | 12-2 | 1-1 |
| 1/13 | Kansas State | W | 82 | 80 | 13-2 | 2-1 |
| 1/15 | at Kansas | W | 77 | 75 | 14-2 | 3-1 |
| 1/24 | at Colorado | W | 79 | 61 | 15-2 | 4-1 |
| 1/27 | Texas Tech | W | 72 | 53 | 16-2 | 5-1 |
| 1/31 | at Kansas State | L | 73 | 75 | 16-3 | 5-2 |
| 2/3 | Nebraska | W | 62 | 61 | 17-3 | 6-2 |
| 2/6 | at Iowa State | W | 77 | 50 | 18-3 | 7-2 |
| 2/10 | Kansas | L | 75 | 87 | 18-4 | 7-3 |
| 2/14 | Baylor | W | 79 | 67 | 19-4 | 8-3 |
| 2/17 | at Oklahoma State | W | 75 | 59 | 20-4 | 9-3 |
| 2/20 | Oklahoma | W | 73 | 63 | 21-4 | 10-3 |
| 2/24 | at Nebraska | L | 77 | 78 | 21-5 | 10-4 |
| 2/28 | Colorado | W | 92 | 77 | 22-5 | 11-4 |
| 3/3 | Texas A&M | L | 79 | 89 | 22-6 | 11-5 |
So Mizzou ends a losing streak against Illinois and gets its first win at Allen Fieldhouse since 1999. And, as with 1999, they still end up with splitting with KU due to a home loss. And for the second straight year, they load up on wins early and move quite high in the rankings before faltering slightly down the stretch.
Big 12 Tournament
Quarterfinals: #4 Missouri 76, #5 Texas Tech 65
Semifinals: #4 Missouri 69, #1 Texas A&M 67
Finals: #2 Kansas 83, #4 Missouri 75
So close.
NCAA Tournament
Missouri gets into the NCAA Tournament as a #6 seed in the Midwest Regional.
Round 1: #6 Missouri 75, #11 Georgia Tech 67 (in Spokane)
Round 2: #6 Missouri 72, #3 Oregon 71 (in Spokane)
Sweet Sixteen: #6 Missouri 75, #10 UNLV 68 (in St. Louis)
Elite Eight: #1 Florida 91, #6 Missouri 81 (in St. Louis)
So close.
So Missouri finishes Tyler Hansbrough's sophomore season (and Thomas Gardner's senior season) at 27-8 after a fourth place Big 12 finish, a runner-up finish in the Big 12 Tournament, and a runner-up finish in the NCAA's Midwest Regional. It is Quin Snyder's second Elite Eight appearance in six seasons.
2007 Recruiting Class
So here's where we find out what kind of post-Hansbrough program Missouri is going to have. Again, one of the ideas to doing this post is the concept of the "breakthrough recruit" (like what Blake Griffin is turning into at OU). Would 50 wins and two more years of Tyler Hansbrough be enough to draw recruits to Mizzou?
Let's look at the Rivals 150 from 2007. I seem to recall Mizzou being in on Derrick Rose for about a day back in 2004, and I seem to recall Mizzou being in on Sherron Collins for about two days. Kevin Love and Kyle Singler were both from the northwest, where Quin Snyder had established ties by landing Thomas Gardner and coming close on a couple of other guys.
But would we have landed any of those guys? No, probably not. That said, here is a recruiting class made up of guys we were in on back when Quin was still the coach (all but one, anyway). It's a nicely-ranked, 4-man class.
Jarryd Cole (PF, ***, Kansas City, KS) - I'm almost positive we'd have signed him had Quin still been the coach.
Darquavis Tucker (SG, ****, Saginaw, MI) - A nice SG following in Rickey Paulding's footsteps.
JaJuan Johnson (PF, ****, Indianapolis) - A power forward cut from the Jeffrey Ferguson mold.
That's great, but...we still need a point guard in this class. I know of no point guards that Mizzou was in on while Quin was here, so I'm going to pull a (4-star) name out of a hat: Corey Chandler (PG, ****, Newark, NJ). We'll say that Melvin Watkins' newfangled NJ ties result in another Newark guard after a successful season from Keon Lawrence.
So Quin signs a big-name class--not his first. Are the players in the class actually any good?
2007-08 Season
We'll go faster now.
| Player | Min/gm | Stat line |
| Tyler Hansbrough (Jr) | 33.0 | 21.9 PPG, 10.2 RPG, 0.9 APG |
| Keon Lawrence (So) | 27.2 | 9.3 PPG, 3.2 RPG, 2.9 APG |
| Keaton Grant (So) | 21.1 | 6.9 PPG, 2.3 RPG, 1.6 APG |
| Dar Tucker (Fr) | 20.6 | 8.7 PPG, 4.0 RPG, 1.3 APG |
| Leo Lyons (Jr) | 20.3 | 10.5 PPG, 5.2 RPG, 1.6 APG |
| Jason Horton (Sr) | 17.9 | 2.5 PPG, 1.5 RPG, 2.6 APG |
| Ben Hansbrough (So) | 15.7 | 4.3 PPG, 1.9 RPG, 1.3 APG |
| Marshall Brown (Sr) | 14.0 | 4.2 PPG, 2.1 RPG, 0.9 APG |
| Corey Chandler (Fr) | 11.0 | 4.0 PPG, 1.8 RPG, 0.7 APG |
| Jarryd Cole (Fr) | 10.4 | 2.5 PPG, injured in non-con |
| JaJuan Johnson (Fr) | 9.5 | 2.5 PPG, 1.8 RPG |
| Matt Lawrence (Jr) | 9.4 | 3.1 PPG, 1.1 RPG |
- Kalen Grimes still screws with depth a bit by getting himself kicked off the team.
- Matt Lawrence just never really gets it going with so much depth at guard.
- Dar Tucker, who is a big-time scorer on an awful DePaul team, slowly overtakes the other guards on the bench, eventually becoming a starter (with Keon at PG, I guess).
- Even with a nice 1-2 combination in the frontcourt (Hansbrough, Lyons)...is this a very good team? The numbers suggest a roughly similar offensive output and a 4-5 point defensive improvement. (Oh yeah, and I add another 3-4 points to Mizzou's output post-Athenagate, since...well, no Hannah, no Athenagate, no drama and suspensions.)
| 11/12 | Central Michigan | W | 87 | 72 | 1-0 | |
| 11/13 | Fordham | W | 79 | 51 | 2-0 | |
| 11/16 | Southern | W | 94 | 45 | 3-0 | |
| 11/19 | vs Michigan State | W | 83 | 82 | 4-0 | |
| 11/20 | vs UCLA | L | 64 | 68 | 4-1 | |
| 11/25 | Western Illinois | W | 91 | 48 | 5-1 | |
| 11/28 | at Arkansas | W | 91 | 90 | 6-1 | |
| 12/1 | at California | L | 71 | 81 | 6-2 | |
| 12/8 | Purdue | W | 73 | 59 | 7-2 | |
| 12/15 | McNeese State | W | 81 | 40 | 8-2 | |
| 12/17 | N.C. A&T | W | 94 | 62 | 9-2 | |
| 12/22 | vs Illinois | W | 58 | 55 | 10-2 | |
| 12/27 | Coppin State | W | 71 | 33 | 11-2 | |
| 12/30 | at Mississippi State | L | 75 | 83 | 11-3 | |
| 1/8 | UMKC | W | 96 | 72 | 12-3 | |
| 1/12 | Texas | W | 97 | 80 | 13-3 | 1-0 |
| 1/16 | at Iowa State | W | 68 | 67 | 14-3 | 2-0 |
| 1/19 | Kansas | L | 69 | 71 | 14-4 | 2-1 |
| 1/23 | at Texas Tech | L | 84 | 88 | 14-5 | 2-2 |
| 1/26 | at Colorado | W | 66 | 58 | 15-5 | 3-2 |
| 1/30 | Nebraska | W | 62 | 61 | 16-5 | 4-2 |
| 2/2 | Kansas State | W | 80 | 69 | 17-5 | 5-2 |
| 2/4 | at Kansas | L | 74 | 85 | 17-6 | 5-3 |
| 2/9 | Texas A&M | W | 73 | 72 | 18-6 | 6-3 |
| 2/13 | at Nebraska | W | 74 | 69 | 19-6 | 7-3 |
| 2/16 | at Kansas State | L | 66 | 95 | 19-7 | 7-4 |
| 2/23 | Colorado | W | 63 | 48 | 20-7 | 8-4 |
| 2/26 | Oklahoma State | W | 76 | 70 | 21-7 | 9-4 |
| 3/1 | at Baylor | L | 92 | 95 | 21-8 | 9-5 |
| 3/5 | Iowa State | W | 70 | 64 | 22-8 | 10-5 |
| 3/8 | at Oklahoma | L | 69 | 70 | 22-9 | 10-6 |
It's tempting to set a "Hansbrough dominates his main rival (Kansas) like UNC has Duke the last four years" rule, but...no. KU sweeps. MU finishes 3rd.
Big 12 Tournament
Quarterfinals: #3 Missouri 60, #11 Iowa State 53
Semifinals: #2 Kansas 77, #3 Missouri 67
NCAA South Regional
First Round: #6 Missouri 76, #11 St. Mary's 65
Second Round: #6 Missouri 72, #3 Stanford 70
Sweet Sixteen: #6 Missouri 79, #7 Miami-FL 69
Elite Eight: #1 Memphis 78, #6 Missouri 67
Final record: 26-11. Another Elite Eight run, another first-round bye in the Big 12 Tournament. Tyler Hansbrough is, if not national player of the year, at least a first-team All-American.
2008 Recruiting Class
Marcus Denmon (SG, ***, Kansas City) - you know this guy
Scott Suggs (PG/SG, ****, St. Louis) - A more successful Mizzou program coulda/would swung this recruitment.
Tyler Zeller (C, ****, Washington, IN) - Mizzou was in on his brother way back when, and...why not?
2008-09 Season
| Player | Min/gm | Stat line |
| Tyler Hansbrough (Sr) | 29.4 | 16.8 PPG, 6.4 RPG |
| Dar Tucker (So) | 27.8 | 12.0 PPG, 4.3 RPG, 1.0 APG |
| Leo Lyons (Sr) | 24.0 | 13.1 PPG, 3.6 RPG, 3.0 APG |
| Corey Chandler (So) | 21.4 | 5.7 PPG, 3.6 RPG, 2.7 APG |
| Keaton Grant (Jr) | 20.8 | 5.3 PPG, 2.4 RPG, 1.9 APG |
| JaJuan Johnson (So) | 20.8 | 8.6 PPG, 4.6 RPG |
| Marcus Denmon (Fr) | 16.7 | 6.2 PPG, 1.5 RPG, 2.3 APG |
| Ben Hansbrough (Jr) | 16.2 | 5.4 PPG, 2.0 RPG, 1.8 APG |
| Matt Lawrence (Sr) | 14.6 | 5.1 PPG, 1.0 RPG, 1.3 APG |
| Jarryd Cole (So) | 6.3 | 1.2 PPG, 1.1 RPG |
| Scott Suggs (Fr) | 4.8 | 0.9 PPG |
Notes:
- Keon Lawrence still leaves over the summer, and even though he wasn't a natural point guard, he was playing point guard in '07-'08, and his absence (plus the failure of combo guard Scott Suggs to develop quickly) forces guys like Keaton Grant to imitate a point guard with Corey Chandler.
- Meanwhile, Tyler Hansbrough takes a while to get rolling, missing a couple early games with a shin injury, meaning they have only one true point guard, and Leo Lyons has to carry the early load.
- Again, a logjam of guards not really distinguishing themselves. Chances are, one would emerge and get more minutes than the others (instead of four guards averaging between 14 and 21 minutes), but...who?
- Stats say this team is worse than the current real Mizzou squad, by about 4.2 points on offense and 1.7 points on defense.
| 11/15 | Prairie View A&M | W | 82 | 66 | 1-0 | |
| 11/17 | Chattanooga | W | 99 | 77 | 2-0 | |
| 11/20 | vs Xavier | L | 66 | 77 | 2-1 | |
| 11/21 | vs Fairfield | W | 83 | 60 | 3-1 | |
| 11/23 | vs USC | W | 79 | 74 | 4-1 | |
| 11/30 | Oral Roberts | W | 88 | 85 | 5-1 | |
| 12/2 | UA-Pine Bluff | W | 91 | 42 | 6-1 | |
| 12/7 | California | W | 88 | 68 | 7-1 | |
| 12/13 | Murray State | W | 71 | 66 | 8-1 | |
| 12/20 | Stetson | W | 74 | 45 | 9-1 | |
| 12/23 | vs Illinois | L | 55 | 77 | 9-2 | |
| 12/27 | SIU-Edwardsville | W | 103 | 59 | 10-2 | |
| 12/30 | Centenary | W | 75 | 53 | 11-2 | |
| 1/3 | at Georgia | W | 79 | 78 | 12-2 | |
| 1/6 | Coppin State | W | 84 | 57 | 13-2 | |
| 1/10 | at Nebraska | L | 47 | 57 | 13-3 | 0-1 |
| 1/14 | Colorado | W | 103 | 64 | 14-3 | 1-1 |
| 1/17 | Iowa State | W | 72 | 48 | 15-3 | 2-1 |
| 1/21 | at Oklahoma State | L | 93 | 96 | 15-4 | 2-2 |
| 1/24 | Texas Tech | W | 93 | 88 | 16-4 | 3-2 |
| 1/28 | at Kansas State | L | 68 | 90 | 16-5 | 3-3 |
| 1/31 | Baylor | W | 85 | 73 | 17-5 | 4-3 |
| 2/4 | at Texas | L | 64 | 67 | 17-6 | 4-4 |
| 2/7 | at Iowa State | W | 78 | 70 | 18-6 | 5-4 |
| 2/9 | Kansas | L | 58 | 61 | 18-7 | 5-5 |
| 2/14 | Nebraska | W | 66 | 49 | 19-7 | 6-5 |
So Mizzou still has a chance at 3rd place in conference, but they're in a dogfight with Texas, among others. They're in line for a 7-9 seed in the NCAA Tournament. Tyler Hansbrough's coming along, and the guards are getting more used to playing point, so Mizzou might be in line to make another March run...but clearly Mizzou fans have no idea what they're missing.
The Dilemma
So here's the point of this whole exercise: Be honest...which door do you choose?
Door #1
- Paige Sports Arena drama/stupidity
- A mediocre 2004-05
- A return to the tourney in 2005-06
- Back-to-back Elite Eight runs
- 95 wins (and counting) in since the start of 2005-06
- Aiming for a fourth straight first-round bye in the Big 12 Tourney
- The #53 potentially retired in Mizzou Arena rafters
- No DeMarre Carroll, J.T. Tiller, Zaire Taylor, Kimmie English, etc.
- A lifetime of Quin Snyder-coached teams (because with two more Elite Eight appearances after surviving Ricky Clemons and probation, he's relatively untouchable for quite a while, you'd think)
Door #2
- Paige Sports Arena drama/stupidity
- A mediocre 2004-05
- A worse 2005-06 (and no postseason berth)
- The Popcorn Incident
- Quin's dismissal drama/stupidity (Link visiting Quin's house, about 18 different people trying to sandbag Mike Alden during the coaching search, the longing for Bob Huggins, etc.)
- A quick start and quick fade in 2006-07 (and no postseason berth)
- A faster fade in 2007-08 (and no postseason berth)
- Athenagate
- Only 67 wins (and counting) since the start of 2005-06
- DeMarre Carroll, J.T. Tiller, Zaire Taylor, Kimmie English, etc., leading a likeable team to a 22-4 start to 2008-09...BUT no promised NCAA Tourney success
- A whole lotta Mike Anderson (sorry, Alabama) for the forseeable future
Neither Door #1 nor Door #2 explicitly promise future success. Maybe Quin's tenure would quickly fall apart post-TH. Maybe Mike Anderson's teams will go back to being gritty, gutty, and very mediocre after DeMarre Carroll and Leo Lyons walk out the door with their offensive talent. But basically the question boils down to...where would you rather be right now--with four years of wins or with a major drought followed by a majorly likable team?
How important are pure win totals and another retired jersey to you? Would you trade a long postseason drought and the currently extremely likable team for four years of Tyler Hansbrough and Elite Eight runs? What about a Final Four run, or maybe a conference title? (And what about living four years without those dreadful "Let's show TH's parents in the stands at Dean Smith Arena" camera shots, or the shots of Roy Williams and TH hugging?)
Right now, with Tyler Hansbrough, we'd be a) thankful for witnessing four years of him (like we were Brad Smith, or Chase Coffman, or Chase Daniel), b) reliving a lot more awesome Tourney memories (and getting ready for hopefully a few more), c) worried about a Hansbrough-less future dominated by guys like shoot-first (4-star) Dar Tucker and high-risk-high-reward (4-star) Corey Chandler (and still no pure point guard), d) frustrated as hell that Quin's teams always seem to hit a rough patch in late-January and early-February, and e) missing out on guys like Zaire Taylor and Kimmie English.
So which door do you choose?
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I had to vote this team......
They are better this year, and I’m all about what have you done for me lately. Plus I love Mike, JT, Zaire, and reality.
by Zou want a piece? on Feb 18, 2009 10:10 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
oh....
and it was a fun read.
by Zou want a piece? on Feb 18, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I went with the current situation:
Because I look at it this way, with a large dose of hindsight. It safe to say that Quin was two steps away from being a complete train wreck after the clemens incident. Have TH would have diminished that, but would it return after Tyler left? There’s never enough big men to go around anymore, and, if Mike is correct, the “fast as you can” style of play is getting more prevalent. In our current state, I think that it’s possible to maintain that for the next few years, with the loss of Leo and JYD, though with a certain fall in productivity next year (similar to the football team). With Quin, you have to believe he would NEED to bring in a big man that would come close to the productivity level of TH to survive. And I don’t know if that’s out there.
Basically, Mizzou needed it’s kick in the ass. OU/IU got in with Sampson. The team is better for it. Quin may have been winning games, but really rattled the cages of people to much. A collapse was going to come. At least it’s out of the way. But, God save us all if Anderson goes back south.
I'm the guy that keeps Mr. Death in his pocket.
by Mizzou Grad on Feb 18, 2009 10:13 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Awesome!
A 13-13 tie so far…which, really, is exactly what I wanted to see…
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Thrust nunchuk upward!
by Bill C. on Feb 18, 2009 10:17 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
What does it say about Quin Snyder...
When people have to think twice about accepting the following:
90+ wins, at least one deep NCAA tourney run, four years of watching Tyler Hansbrough
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by RPT on Feb 18, 2009 10:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I guess it speaks to how people perceived he ran things
And certainly some of that is deserved…some of that is lore…and no one knows quite where the two meet. :-)
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by The Beef on Feb 18, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm leaning more towards deserved
probably at
%70 deserved
%30 lore
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by FutureMan on Feb 18, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I vote this year
under the assumption that all the “new” Tigers(Hansbrough, Tucker, Chandler, Grant, Johnson) would not have developed near as much under Quin as they did with their current coach(well, maybe Tucker would be the same).
by Transmogrified Tiger on Feb 18, 2009 11:10 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
that's an interesting point...
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by Bill C. on Feb 18, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ack, hit post too soon
I mean after all, we talk so much about how our recruiting classes are understated in football because of how well the coaching staff develops the talent and identifies diamonds in the rough. The inverse was true for Quin. Players never really went much of anywhere(Grimes being a textbook example), or they simply weren’t nearly as good as their recruiting profile made them out to be(Dandridge, as much as I irrationally loved that albino, is a textbook example).
by Transmogrified Tiger on Feb 18, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
quin definitely didn’t develop players well at all. i still clearly remember the disappointment i felt in paulding’s and johnson’s bad senior years especially after they were picked pre-season all-american. they both even decided to stay out of the draft that year to increase their stock and instead ended up not getting drafted (for all intents and purposes – second to last isn’t really getting drafted).
i picked option 2 because i really don’t think option one would have worked out. even with the talent quin showed that he couldn’t coach his way out of a wet paper bag despite being coach k’s golden boy.
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by FutureMan on Feb 18, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the beauty of this one is that there may not be a right answer
and considering how the poll is pretty evenly split, it looks like that may be the only answer.
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by The Beef on Feb 18, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
First Comment...
Well, this is my first comment on the site, but I’ve been reading it for months now. I’m a freshman at Mizzou this year and I actually went to high school with Tyler for a year. From what I remember from his recruiting days he only really visited Mizzou because of his dad(he was a track star here) and the fact that it’s his home state team. Roy Williams really did do a good job of winning him and his parents over(he even talked at our state championship banquet). But it is interesting to see what could have been.
I do know that Ben did consider transferring here from Miss. St. But decided on Notre Dame instead. Maybe if he transfered a year later he would have picked Mizzou. His shot and speed would have been nice on this team.
by kbrownbear on Feb 18, 2009 12:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Welcome aboard.
Pass the good word to other students.
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by RPT on Feb 18, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I voted for Quin
Quin was an inexperienced coach, but with a few years, I think he would have come around. I think many of those (not all) who picked the current team are lieing to themselves. You are going to tell me that you would turn down 2 elite eight appearances for 1 tourney appearance with no guarantee of going anywhere. You would rather have our last 5 years than have the greatest player at Mizzou. I would like to have seen this poll taken the day after Mizzou lost to Nebraska this year. Lastly, there is no evidence that Mike Anderson can sustain success. The only all big 12 player he has is his own nephew and leaves after this season. So, there is no evidence that he can recruit high caliber players and sustain success.
I have one point about Mizzou’s numbers for this years team with Tyler Hansborough. His numbers would be blake griffin esque if he was here this season. First off, Mizzou would have no other options, UNC does. Second off, there is only 1 other good center in the Big 12, Blake Griffin. TH woulda had his way in the Big 12 this season.
Let’s be honest with ourselves, Mike Anderson’s success has somewhat to do with the fact that the Big 12 is not very good this year.
by JohnnyontheSpot on Feb 18, 2009 12:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Welcome to you, as well.
I think many of those (not all) who picked the current team are lieing to themselves. You are going to tell me that you would turn down 2 elite eight appearances for 1 tourney appearance with no guarantee of going anywhere. You would rather have our last 5 years than have the greatest player at Mizzou.
I think the difference in the two, other than the obviously negative aftertaste of the Snyder era and the current “Era of Good Feelings,” is the potential for the future. You’re absolutely right that we aren’t sure what kind of success Anderson can sustain, and that the success he’s has so far is in a weakened Big 12. But are Gary Pinkel’s achievements in conference tainted by a weak Big 12 North? Maybe in the national eye they are, but as far as locally, we can only ask our coaches to win ballgames, no matter how good everyone else is.
You’re absolutely right, though, that the onus of sustaining success is on Anderson once this season ends and Carroll and Lyons are gone.
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by RPT on Feb 18, 2009 12:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
my view so far is pretty simple
quin got worse as norm’s players left and he was left with his own system/players. mike anderson has only improved the further he gets away from the quin era. now, the question is can mike anderson sustain his success? we will see but he has already surpassed and cannot be compared to quin because never had success with his system and players. so if we are deciding between if andreson can “sustain” success or if quin could have ever “had” success i’m picking anderson.
i’m being completely honest in not wanting quin around. 7 years should have been more than enough experience considering he made it to the tourney the first 4 years. he was a good recruiter and a bad coach. and the good recruiter part was almost certainly going to be overshadowed by his scandals and ncaa violations.
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by FutureMan on Feb 18, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I like this team a lot
but it has SUCKED not caring about MU hoops the last 5 years. I know, I could have cared about them anyway… What am I, a bandwagon jumper?
Maybe, but when every time you check in on a team they’re getting embarrassed either on or off the court… it makes it tough to keep caring.
Plus, the only reason I really didn’t like Quin is because of where he lead the team at the very end of his tenure.
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by Andy--01 on Feb 18, 2009 1:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So you're telling me ...
We would have beaten Illinois TWICE this decade, instead of NONE? That carries quite a bit of weight with me, considering my Illini friends can hardly even get up for the game anymore.
by Southside on Feb 18, 2009 6:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yep...you can throw that back in their faces now :-)
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by The Beef on Feb 18, 2009 7:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
i lived in champaign for two years. i would trade a body part for a win against illinois. maybe we will beat them in the tourney. that would be sweet just for the last few years.
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by FutureMan on Feb 18, 2009 9:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Quinn
I never really liked quinn. but i love mike andersons style of basketball. also, i saw scott suggs play once and i didn’t think he was anything special.
by The_Baller on Feb 20, 2009 8:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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