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Tigers move five spots in a day, which is fairly shocking at this time of year. And Baylor moves into the top 50 (in at 49), meaning that Mizzou picked up two wins over top 50 teams yesterday. Currently 8-4 vs. the top 50 (4-3 vs. the top 25), with a chance to move to 9-4 today. Five of the nine best wins would be road/neutrals. The three seed is there for the taking.

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Although, if we beat Baylor

wouldn’t they likely drop out of the top-50?

"When he went for that ball and dived over the table, I knew what was next to come. I felt sorry for what Texas Tech had to face after that."
-- J. T. Tiller - 3/12/09

by Andy--01 on Mar 14, 2009 9:28 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not sure

It would be a loss for Baylor, but it would be an SOS boost for them. They have a little cushion over Niagara (number 50) and Florida (51). They certainly wouldn’t fall far. The team that could affect it is Maryland, which is sitting at 52 and plays Duke today. Auburn is also lurking there at 59. Baylor has done wonders for its overall profile this weekend. When you look at them, especially their losses, they don’t look nearly as bad as we thought they were four days ago. Nine of their 13 losses are to teams ranked 42 or better in the RPI.

by Michael Atchison on Mar 14, 2009 9:34 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Win today.

and worry about the rest of it on Sunday…

Can’t wait for the game!

by miz-zou..fku on Mar 14, 2009 9:40 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually, that shows that we're 26-6

not 27-6. So, does it not include yesterday’s game?

"When he went for that ball and dived over the table, I knew what was next to come. I felt sorry for what Texas Tech had to face after that."
-- J. T. Tiller - 3/12/09

by Andy--01 on Mar 14, 2009 9:52 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It must be that they haven't changed the actual text

because when you look at the Missouri RPI breakdown, it shows that we’ve beaten OSU twice.

However, it shows Big XII tourney games as being home games, not neutral games. Surely, the real RPI wouldn’t do that. But, it probably washes out in the end, as Kansas’ loss wouldn’t be a home loss, it would be a neutral loss, other teams right above us would have neutral wins vs. home wins, etc.

"When he went for that ball and dived over the table, I knew what was next to come. I felt sorry for what Texas Tech had to face after that."
-- J. T. Tiller - 3/12/09

by Andy--01 on Mar 14, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It doesn't count the SIU-Edwardsville game

SIUE is making the transition to Division I, and they’re currently treated as a “provisional” D-I team. So it doesn’t count for RPI purposes (which is probably good, because it would be an SOS hit).

As for being listed as a home team in Big 12 tourney games, I’ve looked at a couple of other schools, and it looks like the higher seeds in conference tournaments have been deemed home teams on the CBS RPI. It’s a quirk, and I assume that the committee is getting better info.

by Michael Atchison on Mar 14, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's possible we could get a 2 seed

Because only Memphis and Michigan State has it locked up. A lot of Lunardi’s teams ahead of us have lost too.

by solidpit on Mar 14, 2009 11:05 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

However, if we do the the #2, it would not be in KC

since OU has a higher RPI than us and would get the nod in KC before us. Memphis would also likely get the nod before us to KC, if’n they don’t get the #1.

  1. path: 15 – 7 – 3 – 1
  2. path: 14 – 6 – 2 – 1
  3. path: 13 – 5 – 1 – 2

given the similarities between a 15 and 14 and a 6 and 7, a #2 and #3 are essentially the same, especially if you’re on the line between the two. Now, falling into a 4 seed is bad business. I don’t want none of that.

The biggest benefit to be had by gaining the 2 seed is going to be the possibility of going to KC.

"When he went for that ball and dived over the table, I knew what was next to come. I felt sorry for what Texas Tech had to face after that."
-- J. T. Tiller - 3/12/09

by Andy--01 on Mar 14, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know if we'll get to KC or not . . .

but I think you’re putting too much stock in the RPI. When the bracket comes out, you’ll see some pretty sharp deviations between a team’s RPI and its seed. OU may have a higher RPI, but they may not be higher on the committee’s board based on Missouri win over them, OU’s play down the stretch, and Mizzou’s (potential) tournament title. Also, I don’t think Memphis is a given to play in KC. Sure, KC is closer than any destination, but it’s still not close. No matter where they go, the NCAA is going to have to pay to put them on an airplane. I don’t think they’re any bigger draw in Kansas City than they would be in Dayton (and keep in mind, KC is already sold out, so ticket sales aren’t a huge issue).

by Michael Atchison on Mar 14, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had always understood that RPI was the main factor

but, I haven’t paid attention to this in 5 or 6 years.

Is KC guaranteed to get #2s and #7s, as it shows on Lunardi’s and Palm’s projections? Or, are they just showing that because they’re projecting OU or KU to be #2 and therefore go to KC?

"When he went for that ball and dived over the table, I knew what was next to come. I felt sorry for what Texas Tech had to face after that."
-- J. T. Tiller - 3/12/09

by Andy--01 on Mar 14, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

KC not guaranteed anything

That’s just how that projection shakes out.

As for RPI, here’s what the NCAA says:

The RPI is intended to be used as one of many resources used by the committee in the selection, seeding and bracketing process. It never should be considered anything but an additional evaluation tool. No computer program that is based on pure numbers can take into account subjective concepts, e.g., how well a team is playing down the stretch, what the loss or return of a top player means to a team, or how emotional a specific conference game may be.

Several independent elements are combined to produce the RPI. These elements are a part of the statistical information that can be utilized by each member in an objective manner.

Each committee member independently evaluates a vast pool of information available during the process to develop individual preferences. It is these subjective opinions—developed after many hours of personal observations, discussion with coaches, directors of athletics and commissioners, and review and comparison of objective data—that dictate how each individual ultimately will vote on all issues related to the selection, seeding and bracketing process.

While the various elements of the RPI are important in the evaluation process, the tournament bracket each year is based on the subjectivity of each individual committee member to select the best at-large teams available and to create a nationally balanced championship.

by Michael Atchison on Mar 14, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That last line is the key

in other words: Our goal is not to rank teams based on how good their season has been, but to create the most competitive tournament, based on where they are now.

In that case, Mizzou could play their way into a #2.

"When he went for that ball and dived over the table, I knew what was next to come. I felt sorry for what Texas Tech had to face after that."
-- J. T. Tiller - 3/12/09

by Andy--01 on Mar 14, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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