Rock-M-tology: FINAL EDITION (updated)
by Bill C. on Mar 15, 2009 4:43 PM CDT
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PrintUPDATE, 4:30pm - Alright, I broke the port-o-nail we were using to hammer in the wood floor, so...hooray! Done for the day! And back in time to redo the bracket to account for a) Mississippi State being in, and b) Louisville being closer to Dayton than Miami (I initially sent them to Miami because they were as close as anybody else, but as a #1 seed, that probably wasn't the correct logic.
Also, consider this your Selection Show open thread. It's so much more fun when you know Mizzou's name is going to pop up at some point, isn't it???
I'm out most of the afternoon (got a new house to hammer on for a while), so just in case I don't get back in time, I'm going to crank this out now. This post is based on the assumption that Tennessee will beat Mississippi State today. If Mississippi State wins, replace St. Mary's with them.
Last 8 7 In
To me, there are three teams fighting for one spot, and I cannot for the life of me figure out where the committee might be leaning. I believe Mississippi State made my SMC/Creighton/PSU comparison below moot, but I'll leave it up just in case
San Diego State
Dayton
Minnesota
Michigan
Wisconsin
Boston College
Maryland
First 8 9 Out
St. Mary's
Creighton
Penn State
Arizona (UPDATE, 11:47am - I skipped right over Arizona when I first wrote this out)
UAB
Tulsa
Auburn
New Mexico
UNLV
St. Mary's vs Creighton vs Penn State
RPI: Creighton 40, St. Mary's 48, Penn State 70
KenPom.com Rating: St. Mary's 60, Creighton 65, Penn State 78
Win %: St. Mary's .800, Creighton .788, Penn State .667
Last 12: Creighton 11-1, St. Mary's 8-4, Penn State 6-6
Wins vs Top 50 (vs Top 25 is worth 1, vs 26-50 is worth 0.5): Penn State 5.0, St. Mary's 1.5, Creighton 1.0
Losses to #101+ (vs 101-200 is worth 0.5, 201+ is worth 1): Penn State 0.5, St. Mary's 1.0, Creighton 1.0
Road/Neutral Court Wins (Road is worth 1, Neutral is worth 0.5): St. Mary's 10.5, Creighton 9.5, Penn State 6.0
Best Wins: Penn State (Purdue, Michigan State, Illinois twice), St. Mary's (Utah State, Providence), Creighton (Dayton, Northern Iowa)
Worst Losses: St. Mary's* (UTEP), Penn State (Iowa, Rhode Island), Creighton (UALR, Drake)
* Looking only at losses with Patty Mills. They lost to Portland and Santa Clara without him.
Penn State has played a ton more good teams and have beaten a handful of them, but is that alone enough? They have the worst RPI of the three, the worst KenPom rating. They're the worst in the last 12, and their losses are really as bad as either SMC or CU.
I think St. Mary's should be in for one simple reason: a) neither Creighton nor Penn State has distinguished themselves enough to snatch a spot away, and b) they're 20-3 and a sure-fire tourney team with Patty Mills. The committee takes that into account a lot, and I think they should here too.
I'll be shocked if any other bubble team (Arizona, UAB, Auburn, New Mexico, UNLV) gets in, but I won't be shocked if Creighton or PSU gets in over SMC (or, really, Maryland or SDSU, even though I have SDSU safely in). My choice, however, for now is the Fightin' Randy Bennetts.
And if Mississippi State beats Tennessee, this argument is probably moot. Which brings up another possible variable: right now I only have two SEC teams in, which is insane. Don't be surprised if Tennessee beats MSU and a team like Auburn or Florida or South Carolina gets in just to give the SEC 3. Whereas the Big Ten played things just right in regard to the middle teams beating the higher teams just enough to get a bunch of squads in, the SEC did it backwards--every middle SEC team has lost a LOT of games recently, aside from Auburn, who lost a ton before the homestretch.
I should also mention that while I think both St. Mary's and Creighton are out now, I'm really hoping one of them gets in over a major conference team simply because I accidentally watched about 45 seconds of Gameday this morning, and that's all it takes to remember how snobbish and arrogant just about everybody at the WWL is toward mid-major teams despite the fact that, as I proved in a previous Roundtable (scroll about halfway down), mid-majors in the 10-12 slots do better than major conference teams almost every single year.
One of these years, I want to nail all 65 teams (I've gotten 64 three times and 64.5 once when I narrowed the last spot down to Northern Iowa and Buffalo and actually forgot to pick one before the selection show--UNI got in), but if I miss 65 because SMC or Creighton got in over Maryland or Boston College or one of the Big Ten teams I have in, I'll happily accept that.
Anyway, on to the bracket.
By Conference
Big East - 7
ACC - 7
Big Ten - 7
Big 12 - 6
Pac-10 - 5
Atlantic 10 - 3
Mountain West - 3
West Coast - 2 1
Horizon - 2
SEC - 2 3
The Bracket
I finally broke down and ended up giving three Big East teams 1-seeds. I don't like doing it, and I thought Michigan State and maybe Memphis had as much claim to a 1 as one of them, but then Michigan State lost to Ohio State. In the end, UNC and Louisville are definite 1's, and the other two will go to State, Memphis, UConn and/or Pitt.
And if Duke gets a 1 by winning the ACC Tourney, I'm going to laaaaaaaugh and laugh.
OU still very much deserves a 2, by the way.
South Regional (Memphis)
1 North Carolina v. 16 Alabama State
8 Oklahoma State v. 9 Siena
in Greensboro
5 West Virginia v. 12 Western Kentucky
4 Washington v. 13 VCU
in Portland
6 Utah v. 11 Boston College Mississippi State
3 Villanova v. 14 Robert Morris Rock M U
in Philadelphia
7 Butler v. 10 Minnesota
2 Oklahoma v. 15 Portland State
in Kansas City
West Regional (Glendale, AZ)
1 Pittsburgh v. 16 Play-In Winner (Morehead State / Chattanooga)
8 Ohio State v. 9 Utah State
in Dayton
5 Arizona State v. 12 Cleveland State
4 Wake Forest v. 13 Northern Iowa
in Boise Miami
6 Xavier v. 11 St. Mary's Boston College
3 Kansas v. 14 Stephen F. Austin
in Minneapolis Boise
7 Tennessee v. 10 California
2 Michigan State v. 15 East Tennessee State
in Minneapolis
Midwest Regional (Indianapolis)
1 Louisville v. 16 CS-Northridge
8 Texas A&M v. 9 Dayton Temple
in Miami Dayton (can't have Dayton playing in Dayton)
5 Illinois v. 12 USC
4 Florida State v. 13 American
in Boise
6 LSU v. 11 Michigan
3 Missouri v. 14 Binghamton
in Kansas City Minneapolis
7 Marquette v. 10 BYU
2 Duke v. 15 Cornell
in Greensboro
East Regional (Boston)
1 UConn v. 16 Radford
8 Clemson v. 9 Temple Dayton
in Philadelphia
5 UCLA v. 12 Wisconsin
4 Gonzaga v. 13 North Dakota State
in Portland
6 Purdue v. 11 Maryland
3 Syracuse v. 14 Akron
in Miami
7 Texas v. 10 San Diego State
2 Memphis v. 15 Morgan State
in Dayton Kansas City
My At-First-Glance Final Four
Villanova, Michigan State, Louisville, Memphis
Second glance: North Carolina, Pitt, Missouri???? (okay, Duke), UConn
Missouri's inevitable path to destiny™ (ahem)
Binghamton Fightin' Kornheisers, LSU, Duke, Louisville, UConn, UNC
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No Arizona?
Digger Phelps would like you to know that YOU’RE A MORON!!! Because obviously Arizona is infinitely superior to Creighton and St. Mary’s and whatever other worthless mid-major teams you’re talking about because, uhh, you know, they’re ARIZONA!
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
I guess I should have included them for consideration...
…but I didn’t, and I think I’ll live with that.
(Actually, now that I’ve checked my list again, I skipped right over them—they should have been the #3 team out. Whoops.)
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I don't believe that's the case...
…in the end, it’s probably down to a) whether they send Memphis to KC or Dayton (and Dayton is all of 15 miles further away from Memphis than KC is—if I’m on the committee, and clearly I’m not, I send them to Dayton to get big crowds in KC), and if Memphis goes to Dayton, b) who gets the nod between KU and MU.
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Maybe I'm just confused.
Every bracket I’ve seen doesn’t show a 3 seed playing in KC at all. Is this the kind of thing not decided ahead of time? Is it something the committee weighs? I hope you are right though…playing in KC would be oh so nice.
It used to be that way....
…but now each quadrant/pod of the bracket can go anywhere. If no 3’s are going to KC, I assume it’s because those bracketologists are just sending Memphis and OU/KU (as a 2) there, and the KC slots are occupied before the 3 seeds get assigned…
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Ok I got ya...
funny how I learn more about this crap from you guys then I could from ESPN or any of the other talking heads.
Much appreciated.
Heh...it really shouldn't be that way...
…but I’m glad we serve a purpose!
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The other factor
is that Louisville is closer to Dayton than it is to Miami, and the Cards would clearly get preferential treatment there. There’s easily still a chance that this thing could end up poorly:
KC — Memphis, Oklahoma
Dayton — Louisville, Pitt
Minneapolis — Michigan St, Kansas
Greensboro — Carolina, Duke
Philadelphia — UConn, Nova
Miami — Wake
Portland — Washington
Boise — Gonzaga
That would leave us in a pool with Purdue (if they win), Xavier, Syracuse for those spots. None of the last three would be really good options.
Or they could give us a bump over Kansas and/or OU for KC or Minneapolis, or, like you said, they could move Memphis to Dayton and open up an extra spot in one of the other Midwest spots.
Ha!
I just flipped on ESPN to catch the beginning of the 12:00 game and caught the end of Gameday just in time to hear Hubert say (and Bilas agree) that Arizona and Penn State should be in, St. Mary’s and Creighton out…that they “clearly” have a better resume (look at my breakdown above and tell me that again with a straight face)…hmm…what do those two pairs have in common…hmm…surely the WWL’s employees aren’t adopting the exact same memes they do every Selection Sunday…
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I was ready to throw something at the TV
Phelps is clearly one of those guys who just believes that any major conference team can beat any mid-major team BECAUSE THEY’RE A MAJOR CONFERENCE TEAM!
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
by TB on Mar 15, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Binghamton - LSU - Duke - Louisville
DO NOT WANT DO NOT WANT DO NOT WANT DO NOT WANT
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yeah...
…this was the most favorable draw Mizzou’s gotten since I’ve been doing this. This would be LOVELY. I mean…LSU’s athletic and streaky, and they could certainly be a problem, and Duke has handled this type of system in playing Clemson each year (though they did lose to them this year), but all things considered this would be a lovely draw.
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Well
And if Mississippi State beats Tennessee, this argument is probably moot. Which brings up another possible variable: right now I only have two SEC teams in, which is insane. Don’t be surprised if Tennessee beats MSU and a team like Auburn or Florida or South Carolina gets in just to give the SEC 3. Whereas the Big Ten played things just right in regard to the middle teams beating the higher teams just enough to get a bunch of squads in, the SEC did it backwards—every middle SEC team has lost a LOT of games recently, aside from Auburn, who lost a ton before the homestretch.
Uh, go ahead and re-do this whole thing, ok? We’re waiting.
"When he went for that ball and dived over the table, I knew what was next to come. I felt sorry for what Texas Tech had to face after that."
-- J. T. Tiller - 3/12/09
I'm hoping Binghamton plays KU in the first round
If they do, I’m so picking Binghamton.
(Binghamton Bearcats)
Hey Coach Cal, why does the perception of the CUSA suck?
We’re too good.
"When he went for that ball and dived over the table, I knew what was next to come. I felt sorry for what Texas Tech had to face after that."
-- J. T. Tiller - 3/12/09
...because outside of Memphis and maybe Tulsa, it does suck?
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Memphis needs to suck it up and go to a real conference
I’m sure the Big East, ACC, Big 12, Big 10, etc. would love to have them.
Big 10, Big 12 woudln't touch them in football
Big East will take anyone in hoops. ACC might take them in both.
"When he went for that ball and dived over the table, I knew what was next to come. I felt sorry for what Texas Tech had to face after that."
-- J. T. Tiller - 3/12/09
No matter where Mizzou lands...
…I’m damn proud to be a Tiger.
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It's been a GREAT year
I have really enjoyed falling back in love with Mizzou Basketball.
"When he went for that ball and dived over the table, I knew what was next to come. I felt sorry for what Texas Tech had to face after that."
-- J. T. Tiller - 3/12/09
Seconded.
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by UribeAuction on Mar 15, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Alright, I'm ready.
"When he went for that ball and dived over the table, I knew what was next to come. I felt sorry for what Texas Tech had to face after that."
-- J. T. Tiller - 3/12/09
This is the first selection show I'm actually on edge for
I love it. I’ve always loved Selection Sunday, but this is great.
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Louisville overall No. 1 seed.
Strongest down the stretch.
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Makes sense
Louisville is the only top seed who actually won their conference…
"When he went for that ball and dived over the table, I knew what was next to come. I felt sorry for what Texas Tech had to face after that."
-- J. T. Tiller - 3/12/09
Alright...Louisville the No. 1 overall No. 1 seed
No surprise.
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Midwest - Indianapolis
"When he went for that ball and dived over the table, I knew what was next to come. I felt sorry for what Texas Tech had to face after that."
-- J. T. Tiller - 3/12/09
Pitt - East #1
"When he went for that ball and dived over the table, I knew what was next to come. I felt sorry for what Texas Tech had to face after that."
-- J. T. Tiller - 3/12/09
UNC - South
"When he went for that ball and dived over the table, I knew what was next to come. I felt sorry for what Texas Tech had to face after that."
-- J. T. Tiller - 3/12/09
No surprise with Louisville
They took care of business late, which the SC has already likes.
Pitt: no-brainer
UNC: also no shock
UCONN? REALLY?
It's a funny name.
UCONN - West
"When he went for that ball and dived over the table, I knew what was next to come. I felt sorry for what Texas Tech had to face after that."
-- J. T. Tiller - 3/12/09
though apparently they had Pitt ahead of UConn...
…I had UConn ahead of Pitt (and therefore staying East).
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just scroll up! :-)
Memphis
Duke
Michigan State
Oklahoma
It really will be sad if OU doesn’t get a 2. They’ve lost two Griffin-less games in 2009, and both to tourney teams…
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It's a funny name.
by Turd Ferguson on Mar 15, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Memphis made it easy for the committee...
with all the spots of “we’ll take the 2, we just want to play!”
Two seeds are fairly obvious
Memphis
Mich St.
OU
Duke
(they haven’t annouced it yet, just my prediction)
Louisville getting a number 1 overall
means they might be overrating conference tourney results. That’s good news for us
by Transmogrified Tiger on Mar 15, 2009 5:05 PM CDT reply actions
They did also win the regular season tourney
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by UribeAuction on Mar 15, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, but they weren't a #1 before this week
and they didn’t have to beat either of the other #1 seeds to win the tournament. Hopefully they apply the same logic to Mizzou v. KU and OU
by Transmogrified Tiger on Mar 15, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions
MIchigan
They were interviewing Bleilein earlier.
"When he went for that ball and dived over the table, I knew what was next to come. I felt sorry for what Texas Tech had to face after that."
-- J. T. Tiller - 3/12/09
Did Alden forget about a Selection Show watch party...
Or did I miss that somehow??
I didn't hear about it
Maybe it’s a CBS-orchestrated thing
It's a funny name.
by Turd Ferguson on Mar 15, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions
MU's already in
and not on the conversation for a #1. CBS probably didn’t figure that was worthy of sending a camera crew.
"When he went for that ball and dived over the table, I knew what was next to come. I felt sorry for what Texas Tech had to face after that."
-- J. T. Tiller - 3/12/09
Midwest coming up next.
Could be us, but I’m not holding my breath.
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wow, they screwed the black college again...
…Chattanooga’s .500, but Alabama State is in the play-in game…
Rock M Nation
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I'll make it a point
to play catch on the blue turf.
We've got to be a No. 3 in the West...
…right?
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Guys...
…we dodged a big bullet. That’s a MONSTER region. MONSTER.
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Bingo.
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by UribeAuction on Mar 15, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I have no problems going to Boise
Now that we’re avoiding West Virginia. Bring on Clemson!
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Hey guys, guess what?
MISSOURI WILL BE PLAYING IN THE NCAA TOURNAMENT.
Yup. Just sank in.
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WE'RE GOING DANCING
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by UribeAuction on Mar 15, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
not only that
but they’re high-seeded. what happened?
If there's one thing I've realized this year, it's that I really do hate Cole Aldrich.
I'm breathing easy
KC still open, we avoid a stacked region…just please not Boise. I don’t want to play on the same court where Tyus F. Edney happened.
It's a funny name.
Thoughts so far...
…I nailed all the pods so far! Woohoo! Unfortunately another year goes by where I don’t hit 65 of 65. Arizona is just not a tourney team, but I’m curious who got screwed. Maryland? If it’s San Diego State, I’m going to be PISSED…SDSU should be safely in, but if they go out of their way to screw a mid-major, it will just be sad…predictable, but sad.
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To bring up something that TheBoy said earlier
WE went from nothing to favorite. Never got to get the media slobbering all over us as the underdog. If we had ended up as a 7 or 8 seed, we would have gotten lots of “great story” dap. As it is, we went straight to “really good”.
"When he went for that ball and dived over the table, I knew what was next to come. I felt sorry for what Texas Tech had to face after that."
-- J. T. Tiller - 3/12/09
A&M gets BYU/UCONN
"When he went for that ball and dived over the table, I knew what was next to come. I felt sorry for what Texas Tech had to face after that."
-- J. T. Tiller - 3/12/09
I had Cal a 10...
…Committee is VERY MUCH overestimating the Pac 10.
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Playing....
Cornell
"When he went for that ball and dived over the table, I knew what was next to come. I felt sorry for what Texas Tech had to face after that."
-- J. T. Tiller - 3/12/09
i've been saying for at least a month
that marquette was the BEST POSSIBLE 2nd-round matchup for us. reason? their rotation is only 7 deep. you can NOT face our defense with 7 people and expect your legs to even work at the end. we’re getting to the second weekend.
Look, I don't ask for much. All I want from the 2009 season is for Carp and Adam to combine for 420 IP and go 1-2 in the Cy Young voting, and for Albert to win the MVP again. Oh, and for the Cubs to never win another World Series as long as I live. I really don't think that is too much to ask.
NERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRDS!!!!1
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by ghtd36 on Mar 15, 2009 5:20 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
3 seed to Boise it is.
If there's one thing I've realized this year, it's that I really do hate Cole Aldrich.
Marquette's a bit scary because of their guards (even without James)...
…but they don’t have the bigs to push us around, so that’s cool. Plus, Utah State has a GREAT big man, which means there will at least be small upset potential.
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Holy crap, that was awesome.
Nothing like seeing your team come up as a 3 seed in the tournament on Selection Sunday.
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Amazing!!
So exciting!
Go Tigers!
Mike Anderson) doesn’t need to go out and sign a bunch of McDonald’s All-Americans. He just needs to go find a few Burger King-type guys and he’ll get it done - Nolan Richardson on Mike Anderson
by tigers and chiefs fan on Mar 15, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
The Draw
Cornell – Marquette – Memphis – UConn – UNC
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Lowest 1, highest 2
And a Damion James-less Marquette.
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by UribeAuction on Mar 15, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Yikes
Basically three no 1 seeds to beat.
Mike Anderson) doesn’t need to go out and sign a bunch of McDonald’s All-Americans. He just needs to go find a few Burger King-type guys and he’ll get it done - Nolan Richardson on Mike Anderson
by tigers and chiefs fan on Mar 15, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Memphis-Mizzou...
…would end up the most exciting 50-48 game ever. Ridiculously good defense and about 115 missed 3-pointers…
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not really...
…I’ve actually nailed the Big 12. They weren’t very high on the Big Ten apparently (bad for Penn State), and they’re REALLY high on the Pac 10…
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They gotta be out
5-11 in the B12
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by UribeAuction on Mar 15, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
a 5-11 conference team could never make it
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Illinois will be in the South.
UNC’s bracket. OU’s bracket.
Lots of great big men.
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So where do you think Oklahoma gets seeded?
I’m actually thinking a 2, and certainly in KC
It's a funny name.
Eesh...I'm guessing I got San Diego State wrong...
…complete crap. But from the looks of the Big Ten seeds, Penn State doesn’t have a shot, and Michigan might be in trouble. Appears to be one of those two (SDSU, Michigan) that I got wrong…and unless there’s something crazy in the South Region, I once again missed 65 by 1…BOO…
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The only way I ever thought Penn State would get in would be a tourney run
While they did have a lot of good BIG wins, they were ultimately inconsistent
It's a funny name.
by Turd Ferguson on Mar 15, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Starting to think that only one of Penn St., Michigan and St. Mary's is getting in.
Sorry, guys. The bar has reached “one in, one out”.
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Remind me, what did Wisconsin do to make the tournament?
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Played in the Big 10
And were pretty good last year.
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Their Big White Guy Quotient (or BWGQ)...
…is tops in the nation.
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Let's see...
…I’m guessing OU’s the 2 in the South…Syracuse and Villanova the 3/4 in some order…Illinois and Arizona State the 5/6 in some order…
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Villanova's already in
3 in the East, playing in Philly
It's a funny name.
by Turd Ferguson on Mar 15, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Of course they dropped fast
ESSSSSSSSSSSS
EEEEEEEEE
SEEEEEEE
SPEEEEEEDDDDD!
"When he went for that ball and dived over the table, I knew what was next to come. I felt sorry for what Texas Tech had to face after that."
-- J. T. Tiller - 3/12/09
by Andy--01 on Mar 15, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow, Illinois with a #5 seed
against WKU
"When he went for that ball and dived over the table, I knew what was next to come. I felt sorry for what Texas Tech had to face after that."
-- J. T. Tiller - 3/12/09
Man, who saw this coming when we played them?
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by UribeAuction on Mar 15, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Michigan.
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by UribeAuction on Mar 15, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
and it's MEEEECHIGAN
It's a funny name.
by Turd Ferguson on Mar 15, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
OU 2 kc
"When he went for that ball and dived over the table, I knew what was next to come. I felt sorry for what Texas Tech had to face after that."
-- J. T. Tiller - 3/12/09
Morgan St? Didn't OU play them in football this season?
"When he went for that ball and dived over the table, I knew what was next to come. I felt sorry for what Texas Tech had to face after that."
-- J. T. Tiller - 3/12/09
so because Memphis is the top #2, am I to believe
we are the bottom #3? And that ’Cuse was put in ahead of us technically?
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in theory, yeah...
…there’s always some shifting that goes on because of conference affiliations, etc., but that’s how it looks off-hand.
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I think Eric Devendorf's chest-thumping got them all happy
It's a funny name.
by Turd Ferguson on Mar 15, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions
When do times for games get announced?
"When he went for that ball and dived over the table, I knew what was next to come. I felt sorry for what Texas Tech had to face after that."
-- J. T. Tiller - 3/12/09
not sure...
…it’s been a while since I had to pay attention to things like tourney game times… :-)
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Big 12 - 6 teams
MU, OU, KU, A&M, OSU….where did UT end up? I missed them
"When he went for that ball and dived over the table, I knew what was next to come. I felt sorry for what Texas Tech had to face after that."
-- J. T. Tiller - 3/12/09
7 seed, with Duke as the 2
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by UribeAuction on Mar 15, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Biggest hose jobs
Everyone who didn’t make it, duh
OK St.
Washington (No. 4 seed taking on a white-hot Mississippi State team, then Purdue, then UCONN)
Kansas (wow, thats a tough draw)
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same here, actually...
…I have a class 1pm-5pm on Friday and 1pm-5pm on Saturday. Friday night game = awesome for me.
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Friday night would be glorious
That would give me time to drive home for spring break and then watch it.
honestly, how has that not come up yet?
How awesome would an office episode of andy freaking out over march madness be?
by RoyalsFanInBillings on Mar 15, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions
They make lots of threes
Haven’t beaten anyone better than LaSalle.
Lost to Indiana.
They go 8 deep.
Their best player is a 6-6 Forward that’s a shooter.
They’re screwed.
by Transmogrified Tiger on Mar 15, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Looks like a Mizzou redemption tour early on...
Play in Boise (where we lost to UCLA…no further explanation needed), and if we exorcise that demon, we get a shot at redemption against Marquette for halting us short of the final four
by RoyalsFanInBillings on Mar 15, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
ah, oops
Marquette was a second-round game…we lost to Oklahome in the elite eight run
by RoyalsFanInBillings on Mar 15, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions
According to KenPom's ratings...
…our West region has 7 of KenPom’s top 20.
1 = Memphis
3 = Connecticut
10 = Missouri
14 = Purdue
16 = Washington
18 = BYU
20 = Marquette
OUCH.
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Enemy walking in, but
I thought you guys deserved a 2 over OU.
I just got back from your mom's basement.
Recognition, I think.
OU’s got ZOMG THE BEST PLAYER EVAR11111111!!!!, and that’s why they got it, despite the fact that we both know that they’re not all that good.
My 2009 New Years Resolution: Quit feeding the trolls.
Just thought that with you guys beating them in the regular season
and winning the conference tourney, you should have been seeded higher than them.
I just got back from your mom's basement.
why?
second in the big 12 in the regular season, sure, but if they get a two-seed, how does the team that won the conference (kansas) not earn a one? early exit from the tournament, 3-2 against the AP 25 (we were 4-1, for the record)…maybe its just me, but they had three-seed written all over them, i thought.
by RoyalsFanInBillings on Mar 15, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions
They were great until their top player got knocked out
Their conference losses:
1. Arch Rival on the road when best player gets concussion during game
2. Best team (other than themselves) in conference the game AFTER 1.
3. 2nd best team in conference on the road in best player’s 1st game back after 1.
4. 3rd game against sub-arch rival in neutral site.
games 2 and 3 were while Griffin was out/recovering, and now, he’s presumed to be back healthy again, and they’re thought to be back to where they were before 1.
"When he went for that ball and dived over the table, I knew what was next to come. I felt sorry for what Texas Tech had to face after that."
-- J. T. Tiller - 3/12/09
but that's my point
there’s no way to know that things wouldn’t have unfolded exactly the same way if Griffin hadn’t gotten hurt. You can’t just ignore the losses because he wasn’t available, because they still happened. You get into hypotheticals, and it just mucks things up.
by RoyalsFanInBillings on Mar 15, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Cornell profile, via KenPom
21-9, champions of the Ivy League
KenPom Rank of 100
Best win is La Salle (KenPom: 108)
“Best loss” is Syracuse (KenPom: 15)
My 2009 New Years Resolution: Quit feeding the trolls.
Having done a quick look at the brackets:
Elite 8:
Louisville, Michigan St; Connecticut, Missouri, Pittsburgh, Duke, North Carolina, Oklahoma
Final 4:
Louisville, Connecticut, Pittsburgh, Oklahoma
Championship:
Connecticut, Oklahoma
National Champions: Connecticut
I honestly don't think
Memphis is that good. Great record against subpar competition….
Oh, and can you imagine Blake Griffin vs. Tyler Hansbrough?
I can...
…it’d be like Cole Aldrich against Hansbrough last year, except multiplied by about 10,000,000.
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
by TB on Mar 15, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions
WE BEAT MEMPHIS
I live in Memphis, I received my doctorate at Memphis, i’ve had to endure torture at the hands of my collegues that their Tigers are better. Mizzou MUST beat Memphis in the Sweet 16.
"Wherever you go, there you are" - Buckaroo Bonzai
I want Memphis badly
those dunderheads haven’t played anyone all year(their only wins of the year are Gonzaga and 9 seed Tennessee), and even though they don’t matchup well with our style, I want to just shoot them out of the building.
by Transmogrified Tiger on Mar 15, 2009 5:59 PM CDT reply actions
i agree so much
their best win is gonzaga, who isn’t really all that good in my eyes either. It is very impressive that they won 31 games, but I think we can run with them
"If you can't get up for this kind of game, Lord have mercy, you might not have a heartbeat"
-Jerome Bettis
by Jason Brynsvold on Mar 15, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions
More on Cornell
Best player is a 6’6 forward named Ryan Wittman (18.5ppg, shoots a TON of threes)
Second best player is probably a 5’11 guard named Louis Dale (13.5ppg, 3.6 assists/2.5 turnovers per)
They have a big 7-footer named Jeff Foote, who gets 7.1 rebounds per game, but it doesn’t look like they go to him all that often (only 8.4 attempts per game)
Which brings up another point: it doesn’t look like they rebound all that well. They toss up a TON of threes (40.7% of their shots are threes, which is 6th most in the nation), but it doesn’t look like they have a particularly good inside presence.
All in all, LET’S GET THESE NERDS!!!!
My 2009 New Years Resolution: Quit feeding the trolls.
Can that please be a rallying cry this week?
Please?
PLEASE?
My 2009 New Years Resolution: Quit feeding the trolls.
if one of your elite 8 matchups is okie light-texas
you already have a problem
uhh...I don't think it matters...
…because that bracket isn’t winning anything. :-)
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wow, nice...
…Dicky V’s actually annoyed that Arizona got in and St. Mary’s was out! PROGRESS!!!
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Cornell alum...sort of
Sideshow Mel, full name Melvin van Horne, has served as Krusty the Clown’s sidekick for more than a decade, replacing Sideshow Bob after Bob was incarcerated from framing Krusty for robbery.
Little is known about Mel. He is a Cornell University graduate. He may be named for Roy Van Horn, half of the famous Las Vegas lounge act Siegfried and Roy.
http://www.awesome80s.com/Awesome80s/TV/Comedy/Simpsons/Recurring_Characters.asp
THE LITTLE GUYS GET SCREWED — AGAIN
No San Diego St
No St. Mary’s
No Creighton
Four (four!!!) non-BCS at-large teams — Xavier, Dayton (as an 11), Butler, BYU
that’s horrific
Bilas says the little guy should go play the big guy on the road...
…and when they lose on the road, he can say they don’t deserve to be in.
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wow...
…I don’t even like Dicky V and I’m FURIOUS with Bilas right now for basically punking him.
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It blows my mind...
…that Bilas can sit there and say smaller schools have every opportunity to play bigger schools. They don’t. The bigger schools will demand, at best, a two-for-one (and that one will be a neutral site game, not a home game). How does it make any economic sense to get locked into a bunch of deals like that? Especially if you’re a Creighton, with a massive home arena where you actually sell a lot of tickets and make a lot of money off home games.
If they’re going to keep doing BracketBusters, they need to start making major conference teams play in it, and make them play on the road.
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
by TB on Mar 15, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah...
…I loved the idea of having all D1 teams play bracketbusters…it’s logistically impossible, but it would be fantastic…
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There is no argument that says that Arizona should be in.
NONE.
My 2009 New Years Resolution: Quit feeding the trolls.
Can someone post the Chaney trying to strangle Caliparri post conference?
THAT will brighten my spirits!! That will be an omen of how we’ll strangle the TOM (Tigers of Memphis)
"Wherever you go, there you are" - Buckaroo Bonzai
Guys
There is the small matter of beating Cornell and Marquette/Utah St winner (don’t count out the Aggies) before we get to Memphis
You're right, it is a small matter.
I’m focused on Memphis. I’m assuming we canhandle Marquette. That’s a big assumption, yes I know, but I’ve been dreaming of Mizzou meeting Memphis in the Dance since my residency. I’ve waited LONG for this moment and I’m not going to let facts get in my way, damn it!
"Wherever you go, there you are" - Buckaroo Bonzai
I still remember the 02-03 mizzou beating up on memphis at hearnes
And the whole crowd getting into the NIT, NIT chant.
It seems like a long time ago, just because we had a program respected so much more than Memphis.
Screw Memphis
I’m focused on Pitt.
"When he went for that ball and dived over the table, I knew what was next to come. I felt sorry for what Texas Tech had to face after that."
-- J. T. Tiller - 3/12/09
Wow...
…Gottleib just made a PHENOMENAL point—St. Mary’s TRIED to schedule other tough mid-majors like Kent and major conference teams like Oregon, only those guys sucked this year.
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I finally turned it off...
…I think 9 minutes is longer than I made it last year. Bilas is such a condescending prick. He says SMC didn’t challenge themselves enough and deserved to be out, Gottleib points out that they DID challenge themselves, and Bilas rolls his eyes and moves the goalposts.
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Rock M University's path to greatness...
Michigan State – BC – Kansas – Louisville.
Ouch, tough road ahead, but I’ve got faith in the… uh… whatever they ares.
"When he went for that ball and dived over the table, I knew what was next to come. I felt sorry for what Texas Tech had to face after that."
-- J. T. Tiller - 3/12/09
I just made a joke bracket for against ESPN's columnists
My final four: Mizzou, Duke, Louisville, and UNC
Championship Game: Mizzou, Duke
Nat. Champ: Mizzou
(note: I do not support this bracket at all, Mizzou will have trouble just getting past the Sweet Sixteen, no chance of us winning it all)
Bilas' point that the mid majors should schedule majors on the road breaks down
considering Arizona didn’t win any of their “big” wins on the road—all of those wins were at home. They lost to those same teams, sans Kansas, when they played them on the road. That’s the major advantage major conference teams have over non-majors. I’d love to see a St. Mary’s or Creighton get one of the big boys on their home floor.
Also, has anyone else noticed that Bilas doesn't love Mizzou anymore,
now that his buddy Quin is no longer here.
I really can’t stand that guy.
Check this out
I got to go to the Clinton Club for the SelSun gathering.
The sleeper has awoken. . .awakened. . .he woke up.
question:
are we going to boise because we are the “worst” 3-seed, or because of relative proximity?
capital letters suck.
We're going because it was the closest thing left
After Louisville and Pitt took the Dayton spots, Memphis and Oklahoma took the KC spots and Michigan State and Kansas took the Minneapolis spots.
As far as being the “worst” 3 seed, I think the only thing you can glean from that is that Kansas was ahead of us because they got Minneapolis. Once the three Midwestern locales are out of the question, it didn’t really matter where we went because everything was far away. Since we’re relatively “Western,” Boise makes as much sense as anything.
HA
Digger has us going to the Final 4
Losing to Louisville in the semis.
The sleeper has awoken. . .awakened. . .he woke up.
Louisville vs. Mizzou would be one fun game to watch....
I was sort of hoping it would have the opportunity to occur earlier in the tourney but if your guys can get to the final four more power to em…I’d enjoy the hell out of watching those two teams play.
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