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SB Nation Big 12 Roundtable - Week 4 Recap

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This week's SB Nation Big 12 Roundtable Recap takes a look at some of the different thoughts expressed around the Big 12 blogosphere. This week's participants included Corn NationRock Chalk TalkRock M NationI Am The 12th ManThe Ralphie ReportBurnt Orange NationClone Chronicles, and Crimson and Cream Machine.

1. The game between Texas Tech and Texas got the Big 12 in the national eye early in the season. If your team was approached with this opportunity (or for Tech and Texas, approached again), would you accept and reap the benefits of the exposure, or decline because of the potential pitfalls of playing a conference foe so early in the season?

All of the respondents seem to agree that the benefits of moving a conference game to earlier in the season is heavily weighted upon the opponent. GhostofBigRoy of Burnt Orange Nation looked at the states of Texas and Texas Tech this season and what the early game meant in that regard:

I think it probably depends on the complexion of the team that season. With an experienced, seasoned team like Texas has this season, it's not as much of a concern -- in fact, facing a new Texas Tech quarterback in his first road start was probably a big advantage for the Longhorns. And that's not a dig at Taylor Potts, who was outstanding during the game, but the Longhorns could have had much more trouble with a battle-tested Red Raider squad at the end of a tough four-game stretch later in the season.

If ESPN comes along next season with a similar plan, though, when the Longhorns will be breaking in their own first-year starter, it would probably make more sense to decline and play the game later in the season. A school like Texas doesn't need the exposure nearly as much as, say, some of the teams in the North Division, so it's probably not worthwhile to risk a conference loss early in the season that has a much better chance of being a win later in the year.

 

2. Some of the Big 12 teams are starting to become known quantities, but there are still a few teams that most of us can't quite measure. Which team in the Big 12 do you consider the biggest enigma right now?

It was a surprising array of responses here, with votes being cast for Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Missouri, Texas A&M, and according to I Am The 12th Man, Colorado:

As strange as it sounds, the biggest enigma in the conference may be Colorado. Are they the two who were drilled in two straight games against Colorado State and Toledo? Or are they the team that may be figuring things out after shutting out Wyoming, 24-0? I think Colorado's defense will be a weak spot because of poor safety play, but if they can get their running game going (45 carries for 151 yds isn't going to cut it), they could become a decent team.

Whereas we don't have enough information on most teams to make judgements, Jon of The Ralphie Report is dealing with the fact that we all have conflicting information on Oklahoma State:

Oklahoma State.  I'm really torn about this team, as well as two of the teams that they have played.  It will be a few weeks and a few more games before we have a good idea how strong Houston (we should know much more about the Cougars after this weekends game with Texas Tech), Georgia (who looked MUCH better against South Carolina) and the Cowboys are.

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3. What did you learn about your team in Week 3, and what questions has your team failed to answer at this point of the season?

Husker Mike of Corn Nation was able to erase any doubts about tailback Roy Helu the Husker D after a heartbreaker to Virginia Tech, but now has some questions at quarterback and receiver:

Husker fans think that Nebraska has one of the best running backs in the conference in Roy Helu and one of the best defenses in the conference, an end of game breakdown notwithstanding.  However, a very impressive passing game disintegrated in Blacksburg.  Whether that's due to Tech having another stout defense or whether Saturday's game exposed Nebraska's quarterback and receivers as frauds remain to be seen.  Certainly Jason Worilds disrupted Zac Lee and forced him to make plays.  He did ok in the second quarter, but dismally in much of the second half.

4. There aren't exactly a whole lot of marquee matchups in Week 4. Which Big 12 game this week not involving your team piques your interest the most?

While most of the conference's eyes are understandably on Texas Tech's trip to Houston, Clone Chronicles has its eye on Kansas' first decent test of the season:

Southern Miss vs. Kansas. On the surface it doesn’t seem like a great game, but I think Southern Miss has the talent of a Top 25 team, and this game is going to tell me a lot about this team.

5. Give us your Offensive Player of the Week, Defensive Player of the Week, and Surprise (team, individual, coaching decision, etc. Whatever you want it to be...) of the Week.

Offensive Player of the Week honors went in a runaway to Oklahoma quarterback Landry Jones, though Dez Bryant and Uzoma Nwachukwu also received votes.

Defensive Player of the Week nominations were FAR more diverse. Three Longhorns -- Sergio Kindle, Rodderick Muckelroy, and Emmanuel Acho -- each earned one nomination. Other single votes were cast for Texas A&M's Von Miller, Nebraska's Ndamukong Suh, Oklahoma State's Donald Booker, Oklahoma's Ryan Reynolds, and the entire Oklahoma defense.

The Surprise of the Week category resulted in some rather interesting responses. Most of the responses centered around either Colorado's blanking of Wyoming or Texas Tech's feistiness in Austin. Rock Chalk Talk had this to say of the Raiders performance on Saturday:

In the first half, Tech looked the part of last year. They had a good-enough defense, a bunch of firepower on offense and a Pirate calling the shots. And considering how everything went to the tank last year, this year's team may end up with a similar record. Tech's D played excellent in the first half, and while they dropped off in the second, they were still passable. Bravo.

6. Power Poll! Rank the teams from 1-12 based on which team would win on a neutral field.

1. Texas (8 first place votes) (Average ranking: 1.000)
2. Oklahoma (2.500)
3. Kansas (4.375)
T4. Oklahoma State (4.500)
T4. Nebraska (4.500)
6. Missouri (5.250)
7. Texas Tech (5.875)
8. Baylor  (8.375)
9. Texas A&M (8.625)
10. Iowa State (10.375)
11. Kansas State (11.250)
12. Colorado (11.375)

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explain to me why I everyone is so excited about Nebraska’s defense and why the roundtable has given them such a high ranking.

I am not saying that they are bad, quite the contrary I think many individual performances have been very good, particularly that of Suh. The issues I have are based on two big facts.

1) The high opinion is based upon games against the likes of Florida Atlantic, Arkansas State and Virginia Tech. While VT is a quality opponent you can make a strong argument that they were dramatically overrated. Additionally their offense can best be described as “pedestrian”, almost literally since they are currently ranked at 106th in passing offense (keeping in mind that Nebraska’s performance is partially responsible for that stat).

2) While the NCAA statistics for Nebraska are good, they not earth-shattering, particularly when point #1 is taken into account.

I will be the first to admit that statistics are not always an adequate yardstick, particularly this early in the season when most teams are playing against teams who are accepting of their roles as non-conference punching bags. Fortunately I was able to watch the Nebraska-Virginia Tech game and my own eyes told a different story than the epic defensive struggle that has been advertised. What I witnessed was two good defensive teams, not great mind you, with pedestrian offenses.

Let me make a clear statement. I am not saying that Nebraska is bad but I believe they are overrated both here and by the media. In the later case I believe it is yet another attempt to defend erroneous pre-season predictions but I would like to hear some opinions as to why Nebraska is being as highly touted as it is.

by GreenRipper on Sep 24, 2009 7:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Maybe Virginia Tech is overrated...

…but let’s be honest, most Big XII teams haven’t played anybody of Virginia Tech’s caliber either. Oklahoma State? In all likelihood, yes. Texas Tech? Yes. Oklahoma. Maybe. Everybody else in the North? Nope.

by Husker Mike on Sep 24, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for all the coverage

Good stuff, guys. I’ve been a fan of the Rock for some time now, and I greatly appreciate all the effort you put into keep all of us MU fans informed around the clock.

I wanted to invite you to check out my coverage of the Tigers at Bleacher Report and Examiner.com.

Not just an attempt at shameless self-promotion, I wanted to extend an offering to your staff at Rock M Nation in swapping links to further engage the MU fan base and hopefully enhance the efforts of both parties involved.

Thanks for all the hard work.

by ryemizzou02 on Sep 24, 2009 7:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Virginia Tech is not the question...

…Nebraska is. While Missouri, nor anyone else in the North, has faced a substantial threat up to this point the issue is why Nebraska continues to receive love from the media while the coaches poll tends to favor others. We will largely ignore the odd disparity in the amount of respect Mizzou is getting from each of those polls.

My argument is that Nebraska’s performance in their loss to VT was hardly outstanding. The picture painted was of two defensive juggernauts facing off in a close game but many are already noting the total lack of offensive production from both teams. The SEC has often shown that a supposed ‘defensive battle’ is in fact two teams exhibiting mediocre offenses. In this case everyone is starting to question the ability of Zack Lee and Taylor is well known as a mediocre passing QB.

If you want a more specific question: Why have the pollsters shown so much Husker love while Mizzou is being forced to prove itself?

I felt from the very beginning that Nebraska was somewhat overrated and do not understand how the rankings can be substantiated by the pummeling of two horribly out classed teams and a loss to a questionable VT. Personally I feel a lot of that high ranking has been due to similar love for Michigan, Notre Dame, Miami and Florida State. These are all teams that have had several tough seasons and as far as I am concerned have not proven (with the possible exception of Miami) that they deserved the rankings they were given in the pre-season. If Mizzou can be marginalized for running over a questionable Illinois I think it is fair to ask why Nebraska hasn’t been taken to task for losing to a questionable Virginia Tech.

A final note: I seem to recall a few years ago where we went through all of this before. Bill Calahan’s Huskers were supposed to return the glory to Nebraska and we all know how that turned out. How much of the rankings are being based on good judgment and how much upon the media’s wish to see the traditional powers returned to their former glory?

by GreenRipper on Sep 24, 2009 10:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Quite Frankly...

I don’t worry about what the AP poll voters do for one simple reason:

The AP Poll means absolutely nothing – except for the final ranking at the end of the year if they decide to split the national championship.

That’s it.

Since it carries no weight every other week of the season, to me it is irrelevant.

The coaches poll (in all of its illogical glory) is the one that actually means something because it counts as 1/3 of the B(s)CS formula.

So what if the media has us 26?

The coaches have us as 21.

That’s what matters to me.

"Huey: [narrating] I did battle with ignorance today, and ignorance won. I admit that I'm often... vexed at the behavior of my people. Yeah... 'vexed' is a good word." ~ The Boondocks

by D-Sing on Sep 24, 2009 10:28 PM CDT reply actions  

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