Nebraska: Beyond the Box Score Preview - OFFENSE
Confused? Catch up with the BTBS Primer. And if you just don't like or care about numbers, skip them -- I always attempt to explain what they might be telling us afterward. For most of the season's BTBS Preview pieces to date, I have been referring to the previews I wrote over the summer. I am not going to do that this time -- thanks to the unexpected emergence of quarterback Taylor Martinez and linebacker Lavonte David, my summer Nebraska previews were rendered mostly moot in record time. Quoting those pieces would do little good, so we're starting anew on this one! And we're breaking this up into two pieces -- offense today, defense tomorrow.
No team in the country is more dependent on the concept of Leverage than Nebraska. They have one of the best offenses on standard downs (1st downs, 2nd-and-6 or less, 3rd-and-4 or less) and the best defense in the country on passing downs. But on the flipside, their offense is extremely vulnerable on passing downs, and their defense can be pushed around a bit on standard downs. The winner of this game will be largely determined by how each team does early in a given set of downs. We will obviously go into much greater detail below, but that is the entire game in a nutshell.
Offense
Close your eyes for a moment and imagine how you think an offense would rank when they have a super-young quarterback with explosive rushing ability, the quarterbacking instincts of a redshirt freshman, and an iffy supporting cast. Now open your eyes and look at the data below.
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Overall Ranks S&P+: 26th Standard Downs S&P+: 12th Redzone S&P+: 28th Q1 S&P: 3rd 1st Down S&P: 4th |
Rushing Ranks Rushing S&P+: 19th Standard Downs: 16th Redzone: 18th Adj. Line Yards: 42nd |
Passing Ranks Passing S&P+: 39th Standard Downs: 18th Redzone: 64th Sack Rate: 57th |
That's basically how you'd have guessed the data would look, right?
- High explosiveness (PPP)
- Iffy consistency/efficiency (Success Rates)
- Great on standard downs, shaky on passing downs
- Best on first downs and in the first quarter, progressively worse afterward.
With the terrifying Taylor Martinez running the show (and yes, despite what happened against Texas, he is still pretty terrifying), Nebraska is reliant on early-down success ... but it's worked for them for the most part. We expected this offense to be atrocious this season, and it appears it probably would be if not for the surprise impact of Martinez. We heard a lot about Martinez from fans and press in the offseason, but 90% of "Check out this newcomer--you're going to be amazed!!" offseason hype fizzles out the moment the season begins. For Martinez, the hype wasn't actually hype enough.
Nebraska On The Ground
QB Taylor Martinez: 100 carries, 870 yards (8.7/carry), 12 TD
RB Roy Helu, Jr.: 74 carries, 500 yards (6.8/carry), 5 TD
RB Rex Burkhead: 71 carries, 437 yards (6.2/carry), 3 TD
Pct. of Carries: QB 42.2%, RB 56.1%, WR 1.7%
This offseason, I spoke of the Nebraska running game -- led by Roy Helu, Jr., and Rex Burkhead -- as one of the most overrated in the country. Helu had his moments last season but was far too inconsistent and injury-prone to be trusted; Burkhead, meanwhile, really got a lot of hype for what were basically two or three decent games. The running game was one of the two main reasons (along with the depleted defensive line everybody was hyping) I spoke very harshly about what I considered to be undeserved preseason hype.
At least I got the defensive line part right, I guess. Martinez changed everything in regard to how this offense functions. Virtually the moment he ripped off his first long run in the opener against Western Kentucky, all the writing I had done on Nebraska over the summer was rendered moot.
This is a good running game dictated almost entirely by Martinez. Helu and Burkhead are certainly solid, but neither are as good as some of the other backs Mizzou has faced this year -- Demarco Murray, Christine Michael, Mikel Leshoure. The blocking they receive is only adequate too. The hope is that the Missouri defensive line that dominated Colorado and Texas A&M without Aldon Smith and won the battle against Oklahoma, can do the same against the Huskers' front five. This is a potential advantage for Mizzou ... at least, it better be, because Martinez only needs to get one step on you to go to the house.
Martinez is obviously the X-factor here. As we saw against Kansas State, when he is getting good reads on the ends and linebackers and is able to go as long as possible before committing to either the handoff or the keeper, he is incredible. But against Texas, he wasn't able to wait -- Texas' linemen were making him commit and react faster than he wanted to. The Mizzou line will need to occupy as many blockers as possible to clog running lanes and make Martinez dance. If Martinez and/or the running back of choice is having to make moves in the backfield, Mizzou is in good shape. If they're getting six or seven yards upfield before anybody gets a hand on them, Mizzou has almost no chance in this game. Nebraska relies on early-down yardage for success, and they want to get as much of that as possible on the ground.
Nebraska Through The Air
Taylor Martinez: 66-for-111 (59.5%), 1046 yards (9.4/pass), 8 TD, 3 INT
WR Niles Paul: 26 catches, 358 yards (13.8/catch), 1 TD
WR Brandon Kinnie: 21 catches, 281 yards (13.4/catch), 3 TD
WR/TE Mike McNeill: 11 catches, 191 yards (17.4/catch), 1 TD
RB Rex Burkhead: 8 catches, 104 yards (13.0/catch)
TE Kyler Reed: 5 catches, 174 yards (34.8/catch), 3 TD
Pct. of Catches: WR 77.5%, TE 10.0%, RB 12.5%
If you are expecting run, Nebraska has a pretty good passing game. They rank first in the country in First-Down Passing S&P+, and for very obvious reasons -- opponents are playing the run. The Huskers run 75% of the time on standard downs, sixth-most in the country. In this regard, they really are a lot like those mid- to late-1990s Husker offenses -- they will bludgeon you with the run, then finish you off with a play-action bomb. Oklahoma State was so focused on the run, however, that they Martinez actually had a great day throwing the ball. They only ran the ball 60% of the time on standard downs, and Martinez repeatedly found Niles Paul for nice gains.
If you make Taylor Martinez pass, however, chances are good that it will not work out very well for them. Martinez's pocket instincts are not very far advanced (neither were Brad Smith's as a redshirt freshman), and his throwing motion and accuracy leave a lot to be desired. Plus, while his receivers have shown flashes for years (particularly Niles Paul), they suffer some pretty crippling lapses and either disappear for stretches or fail to hold onto the ball.
Look at the splits from the Oklahoma State game. We heard a lot about Martinez's brilliant passing day, but that was as much because of play-calling as anything else:
- Standard Downs Passing vs OSU: 52.4% Success Rate | 0.88 PPP | 1.404 S&P
- Passing Downs Passing vs OSU: 26.7% Success Rate | 0.48 PPP | 0.743 S&P
Teams always pass better on standard downs than passing downs, but the spread isn't typically that wide.
The name of the game for Nebraska is staying out of passing downs however possible, and recent play suggests they will try to do that more often with the pass than they did at the beginning of the season. If the defensive line is getting a good push, and if Carl Gettis, Kevin Rutland and company are able to maintain discipline and stay on their man (and the front seven is stopping the run well enough that Mizzou's secondary doesn't have to over-compensate), then things will go just fine for Mizzou. If Mizzou is kept completely off-balance by the early-downs pass and is suddenly getting gashed by huge runs, however, they will need to score a lot of points to win.
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I read something about the Texas game...
Where Martinez wasn’t really given a zone read on several running plays, the read was actually given to him from the sideline. He was told to keep it or hand it off instead of actually making the read. It just had the appearance of a zone read.
That's correct.
OC Shawn Watson says here they didn’t really start letting Martinez make reads until the second quarter of the UT game.
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 28, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Whew.
Gotta admit, I was kinda terrified if the OK State game was the result of him being cut loose. As it is, I’m just frightened. Kid’s scary good.
Yeah, that's where I read it
Thanks.
Why did they do that? Had it been that way in the previous games too?
I think they were freaked out about the possibility of him getting freaked out in a big game.
Which, you know, ended up freaking him out. Good work, guys.
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 28, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Thankfully, they are changing the pre-game routine Saturday...
just another game, everything is fine…
Martinez is great for his experience.
you are stating negatives about the kid, in his defense, when you hit your receivers in their hands for nine dropped balls, the issue is not the QB but the receivers.
had our receivers held onto the ball we would of beat UT by 21.
yes I know, what could of been…..
gbr…… NU 49 MU 17
49-17. Thank you so much for your contribution to the discussion.
Maybe you stick to subject you know more about. Perhaps the many inappropriate uses for an ear of corn.
Funny...
You take offense to a poster’s prediction of the game, chastise him for his contribution (or lack of in the interest of sarcasm), then proceed to imply that he makes inappropriate uses for corn cobs.
If that ain’t the epitome of maturity and class, I don’t know what is. Your mother must be very proud.
by HerpieHusker on Oct 29, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Hangover games
Mizzou may not be aware of this, as they rarely win against ranked teams. but Games following major wins rarely bode well for the team coming off he big win. remember when NU lost to ISU after pounding CU the previous week.
GBR
I wondered how long it would take for the Husker trolls to show up.
For the record, I know a number of Nebraska fans that are classy and knowledgeable. You, sir, are not.
Mizzou’s record in the last few years, if I’m not mistaken, is actually pretty solid against ranked teams. You may recall that Nebraska was ranked in 2007 when they got curb-stomped. You may also recall that we beat ranked teams in Tech and Kansas that season.
Nebraska’s got a great football tradition, and there’s no arguing that. But you’re an idiot, and frankly I shouldn’t have encouraged you by responding to your idiocy.
We all understand what being a Mizzou fan is like. That’s no excuse for being a douche.
by jaeger on Oct 28, 2010 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Holding back...
…not exactly my strong suit. Haha.
We all understand what being a Mizzou fan is like. That’s no excuse for being a douche.
Everyone keeps saying we're on "upset alert"...
Can you really be on upset alert when your an 7 1/2 point underdog?
Back on the scene, crispy and clean.
I have to say
even though you always expect a spread to tilt NU’s way, I’m surprised by that line.
Not that they can’t cover it, but wow, the backlash from that Texas game sure didn’t last long, did it?
You are seeing the results of coupling the NE hype machine to the Big Ten hype machine.
This is the same hype machine that led tOSU to a couple of SEC blastings in the NC game. Instead of style over substance, it is tradition over current substance.
"Anderson won't make substitutions. He'll change lines - Tiller, Taylor and English hit the bench while Denmon, Dixon and Paul hop the boards. Welcome to Hockey Night in Columbia. He won't take time outs. He'll take on fuel and tires. Welcome to the Hardwood 400." - Atch
No matter what....
… it’s an upset. ESPN wins.
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And there it is.
Much like how OU was the “third #1 to lose three weeks in a row”. But they had to use the BCS rankings instead of the actual polls for that.
Look, they are in the entertainment business. Their behavior is only incoherent and confusing if you forget this. They make money off eyeballs watching their shows, and you get more eyeballs with drama than with straight up serious analysis. That’s why it’s so great that we have blogs like this who can fill in the real analysis for those small percent of us who actually want it.
National perception is that we beat the #1 team
Now who cares how they were ranked #1, most of the nation has it in their mind Missouri beat the #1 team and that is what matters
Husker Fan
THIS is why I come to your site. I love the statistical breakdowns you do. This is great stuff. Thanks!
Jimmy re: Breakdowns
Check the play by play analysis with the still frames. It is outstanding.
I have seen them. The ones from the OU game on the inside running twist that was added was awesome as well.
Check us out tomorrow.
I’ll be looking for Husker feedback on a still frame look at the Nebraska run D. Confirmation or denial on the analysis would be very much appreciated.
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if you aren’t going to say we are the greatest ever and nobody can beat us, then how can I possibly do that.
by JimmytheRed on Oct 28, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haha.
That line is why you’re always welcome here, JTR.
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what are your thoughts on why the 2nd quarter is the worst? I would tend to think the 3rd would be the worst after D adjustments.
Usually Bill will argue...
… that indicates that the opponent has started to account for gameplanning and made adjustments, just in time for NU to make adjustments at the half and get it going again.
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Once you leave for the Big Ten, this becomes a pay site
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Actually ...
… it becomes myfreepaysite.com
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by mitch cumstein on Oct 28, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
As far as quick reads...
There were maybe two instances in the NU-UT game where either Helu or Burkhead were literally pushed into Martinez as he was making the read. If we get THAT kind of pressure…wowie zowie. Of course, another necessity to stop their system is solid tackling, which we have proved time and time again we can do.
I dunno man...hockey?
I was about to compliment you on the username and signature...
… but HEY WAIT A MINUTE.
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having not watched and NU game film
what’s Martinez’s attitude toward getting hit behind the line? Does he? I ask because zone reads take lots of time, and usually involve cutting the backside DE. If they fail to do this, Agent Smith or our SAM maybe getting a few good hits from behind, which may fluster a younger player.
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not sure he has been hit that much behind the line
I have watched several of their games, and UT seems to be the only ones I remember getting in the backfield consistently, but mainly on running plays. He seemed to have hours to throw in that game.
I am not convinced they have faced a Dline capable of generating pressure like ours. UT was supposedly good defensively, but not sure I buy that anymore, stats be damned. Don’t remember them getting much pressure on Arnaud last week, and doubt ISU are monsters on the Oline.
It may be ignorance, but I don’t see a lot of other top pass rushing D’s in the list below (from Matter piece- passing defense rankings of nub opponents):
Nebraska: Texas (2), Kansas State (38), Idaho (44), Western Kentucky (69), Washington (73), Oklahoma State (115)
Really, really liking the combo of our Dline pressure with a freshman QB who has fumbled a lot and not been good at home.
He's been hit behind the line
Pretty much only by Texas, and mainly while being strung out toward the sideline. He’s never (that I can remember) been blindsided by a backside DE.
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 28, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
S.A.M.
Surface to Air Maelstrom.
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Oct 28, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
yes yes yes.
nickname. generated.
You don't have to come and confess, we lookin' for you, we gon' find you, we gon' find you. So you can run and tell that, Homeboy.
Maybe Top Gun references will be had
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To me, the No. 1 key for our defense is ...
… making them drive a long field. Play disciplined, assignment-sound defense. I know that sounds an awful lot like our gameplan against Navy (cringe), but you have to make a team like Nebraska drive the long field. NO BIG PLAYS. Make them grind it out four-yards at a time.
Nebraska (or any option/zone-read option team) will put the pig on the ground. When you have that much ball-faking and that many mesh points, there’s bound to be a spare arm or missed read in there from time to time. So make them run more plays and there’ll be more chances for error.
Also, driving the long field cuts down on Nebraska’s vertical play-action game. When the defense is backed up to its own endzone, there’s less room for guys to get wide open, which means there’s less room for error from the passer. And Martinez is not a particularly accurate passer.
Mizzou’s defense has been very good at forcing offenses into long drives this year (and have been even better in the red zone), but I think that strategy is even more paramount this Saturday. And I’m normally a Buddy-Ryan, blitz everybody, high-risk, high-reward defensive-philosophy type of guy. But not Saturday. I think you need to be as patient on defense as you are on offense.
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You may be right.
I think it depends on where our advantages truly lie. If we can go man to man on the outside, have Gooden spy Martinez and let the line pin their ears back. If we can’t cover (or can’t get to the QB), the strategy changes.
I can see a scenario where NU spreads us out to open up running lanes in the middle. Think Brad Smith circa 2003. I can also see them going Navy on us with the triple option. If I were NE, I would seriously consider this. They have film of us not stopping that setup.
"Anderson won't make substitutions. He'll change lines - Tiller, Taylor and English hit the bench while Denmon, Dixon and Paul hop the boards. Welcome to Hockey Night in Columbia. He won't take time outs. He'll take on fuel and tires. Welcome to the Hardwood 400." - Atch
It's a scary thought, but not likely.
You don’t change schemes mid-season.
We all understand what being a Mizzou fan is like. That’s no excuse for being a douche.
I bleed red but I don’t let it cloud my judgement. Because I wish I had a full back I am a closet tiger?
pretty much
deep down inside, we all want a fullback. Some of us have just buried it enough that we don’t care to much.
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I just wish as a part of the zone read there was an inside option to freeze a LB. If LBs are being used to spy, then could a FB be effective to use forcing the D to cover that option and therefore no more spy?
that's pretty much wait SHOULD happen
in the wishbone or typical I-back set. If Bo had come by, maybe he could have gotten Millard from Rock Bridge instead of Stoops.
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I haven't watched nearly as much B12 ball as I would like
So a couple of questions about your zone read game:
1) Is Watson calling it basically out of a one back set, where Martinez has the option to give it to Helu/Burkhead or keep it himself? Or has a 2-back alignment been utilized from time to time to give that triple-option look?
2) Who is the stronger inside runner: Helu or Burkhead? This kind of goes with the first question, because if they give him that extra option inside, it could cause problems for us.
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Not me
I want two HBs side-by-side again, like the James Wilder, Gerry Ellis, and Earl Gant backfield sharing two spots behind Phil Bradley. I know there are any number of old-school Husker fan who still have nightmares about that backfield.
Fail on Wilder/Winslow.
Neither of their star sons came here, Kellen Jr. was a thug though. I’d take Rucker/Coffman over him any day. However, James Wilder Jr…damn.
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It's a running joke
from other message boards (I believe…..I never picked up on it until I started reading RMN) that all Mizzou fans want to:
- Fire Pinkel
- Fire Yost/Christensen
- Fire Eberflus/Steckel
- reinstate a power running game with a Fullback
Not necessarily in that order.
5. Stop calling bubble screens runs
"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel
6. Passes to sideline
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Oct 28, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
7. BUBBLE SCREENS ARE NOT RUNS!!!!!!!!!
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i take it you didn't see #5 posted by gaknar?
My, oh my, you sure know how to arrange things.
You set it up so well, so carefully.
Ain't it funny how your new life didn't change things.
You're still the same old girl you used to be.
by threadkiller on Oct 28, 2010 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions
It deserves to be listed twice
"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel
I must admit that I believe Burkhead to be a fullback.
I don’t care what he is listed as. His size and skill set is fullback like.
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I like what you just wrote, discipline, assignment-sound defense...
…but, I would like to add that I don’t think Mizzou can wait for the “assignment” to come to them. They have to disrupt it, and force NU to make decisions faster then they want.
I am afraid that if Mizzou sits back (a bit) and waits for their “assignments” to come to them, that will give Martinez time to take make a read, and take couple steps forward. That. can. not. happen.
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Oct 28, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
yep, hit/tackle him
on the zone read everytime, whether you think he has the ball or not. His man needs to take care of him, either tackle or slow down, 90% of the time.
This all about keys.
DE gets the QB. LB or Corner must shed the block to get the pitch. Safeties need to stay deep and read the near side receiver. Backside DE cannot overpursue. Backside LB needs to get into the cutback lane. Though it sounds really simple, that’s how you defend a Ver-offense (or zone read, or wishbone).
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Your last couple of points kinda scare me with regard to Mizz D.
Your, Backside DE cannot overpursue and backside LB needs to stay put in a lane, points.
First off, exactly right (from the little knowledge of FB I have) however I’m scared because it looks like (so far) Mizzou has a really aggressive pursue you until you freak kinda D.
Not that I don’t think it won’t happen. (So far) Stecks’ Crew this year as been very good with discipline defense….I am just nervous.
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Oct 28, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I think we'll be ok
None of Nebraska’s players would start for A&M, so if we can handle the Aggies, we can handle anyone.
And no, I will not let this joke die.
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by Gaknar on Oct 28, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Glad I read this regularly otherwise I would take offense, sir and would lead the big red horde here in defense of our honor!
It was aimed more at A&M
They have a somewhat high opinion of themselves.
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Link
http://www.iamthe12thman.com/2010/10/18/1758762/missouri-review-positives-and-negatives
We just got our butts whipped at home by a team with inferior talent.
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
again it's about keys...
On end arounds, the offense usually needs the backside DE to overpursue for it to work…but, they also tend to have to pull the frontend guard to lead block. That’s a key for the LB to see, and for the DE to see.
Big if…I don’t know that the Husker WR are like for speed. But I think Madison and Agent Smith could hold their own moving horizontally to cover an end around. Another key would be if the play is run to Agent Smith’s side, then an end-around could come (cause why would they run to his side when you have to read him?).
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I agree with this.
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Oct 28, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not even sure . . .
. . . Martinez will be able to run away from our defensive ends and linebackers like he has against other teams.
Give him a step...
… and he absolutely will.
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But, we won't give him the step.
Period. Hail Steck!
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by 1Believer on Oct 28, 2010 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hail Steck!
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Oct 29, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Martinez is accurate on deeper routes. On the shorter routes he doesn’t seem to lead receivers all that well and I he doesn’t have “thread the needle” arm like Gabbert does. He does seem to have decent touch and I was impressed with a few of his throws where it was throwing to a spot where a receiver was going to be open.
Yeah. I knew we didn’t want to be forced to throw just based on watching all the games, but I didn’t realize how poorly we did on forced passing situations until looking at this info. I would like to know what the stats were like pre-OSU and now to see just how successful we were on forced passing downs for that game. It seems like we hit quite a few 3 and longs.
Mizzou fans are really spoiled for quality coverage
I guess having the top J school in the country can do that for ya =)
How would you stop Nebraska's zone read?
Have the end go after Martinez every time and depend on everyone else to get the RB?
He’s the most explosive, and as written above, terrifying offensive player.
That's a good point ...
… We need our defensive ends to hit the quarterback on every play. The only problem is, that takes one player out of the mix to stop the run. Pick your poison, I suppose. But I’d rather Helu or Burkhead beat me than Martinez running untouched windsprints up and down the field.
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by mitch cumstein on Oct 28, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I absolutely second the notion
That someone on the Missouri defense needs to legally hit Martinez on every single running play regardless if it means giving up a big run. Don’t get caught flat footed in space staring at Martinez and Helu / Burkhead.
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
I think you've got to have somebody else on Martinez
Because then if a blocker gets a piece of the DE, Martinez is through to the second level. You gotta have a backup there.
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 28, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
This
If there’s a person dedicated to hitting the QB, it must be someone that starts the play in “space” (i.e. not engaged with a blocker)
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
They should rotate LBs randomly assigned to Martinez so the NU coaching staff doesn't know exactly who needs to be taken out of every play to break TM
but if anyone is going to be used as a spy on Martinez more than others, it should be Ebner. That guy flys to the ball and dishes out punishment.
Time
The zone read takes time to set up. The QB can stay with the RB for almost 2 seconds. Both potential runners are running right next to each other. If you can penetrate the O-line off of the snap the zone read is dead. You hit the RB and even if the QB keeps he will probably be pushed around do to the hit on the RB.That’s what Texas was able to do.
If you allow Martinez time to make his read, he will more than likely make the correct option and yards will be gained.
by Aaron Musfeldt on Oct 28, 2010 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Turnovers
NE has fumbled A LOT, and has been very, very lucky to not lose way more of them than they have.
I also LOVE that we shut out Illinois once we started spying on Scheelhaase in the 2nd half and shut him down. That’ll play a big part in this game too I think.
I don't want to be a downer,
but the last team that we faced that had a turnover-prone QB, we got precisely 0 turnovers. . .
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by Other Side of the Pillow on Oct 28, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I believe we won that game
"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel
Indeed. However,
counting on turnovers to be an influential factor this weekend may be a little cart-before-the-horse.
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by Other Side of the Pillow on Oct 28, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
You're right.
Fumbles are absolutely something I should have found a place to mention. Nebraska has fumbled an incredible 24 times in seven games. There have only been a TOTAL of 27 fumbles in Mizzou games this year (13 for Mizzou, 14 for opponents). That they have only lost 9 of the fumbles (38%) has been a bit of a blessing for them. Hopefully those season numbers get a lot closer to 50% by the end of Saturday!
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I know seaosn wide fumbles are almost always 50%
But is it possible that certain schemes that fumble more can lead to a greater recovery percentage? If most fumbles are caused by messed up exchanges on the zone read, is it possible that those fumbles in the backfield are more likely to be recovered by the offense? I’d be curious to see if Oregon or any of the other spread option offenses have a higher recovery rate than usual.
it's difficult to say
just from a cursory glance at several teams over the past few years (GTech, Navy, NU this year and last, Air Force, Michigan this year) the numbers are a bit below 50%, but there are a couple in the other direction, too. I know those offenses are quite a bit different from yours, but I’m not sure that teams that run the ball with option schemes necessarily lose a lower percentage of fumbles.
I also LOVE that we shut out Illinois once we started spying on Scheelhaase in the 2nd half and shut him down. That’ll play a big part in this game too I think.
I’m not sure on this point. Alden Smith was used to spy Scheelhaase, I believe, and while Alden is a freakish athlete…Scheelhaase doesn’t scare me as a runner nearly as much as Martinez, and I’m thinking Martinez is a better passer as well.
Someone may be charged with spying him, but I think it would be a mistake to devote one guy to him specifically. The Huskers offense is all about making one guy guess wrong, and if you cover their best weapon with one guy, you’re really counting on him to guess right every time.
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I believed Gachkar referenced there perhaps being different spies
With Aldon being still hampered, I doubt it is him, but I could see situations where we have either Gooden or Gachkar, or perhaps a safety coming up as a spy at times. For me, I think our key is going to be how well Rutland/Gettis/Edwards play on their islands against NU’s receivers.
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Gooden (freakish athlete in his own right) has the speed to keep up with Martinez.
As I understand it, they are both sub-4.4 guys. Aldon and Gachkar probably don’t have the wheels in space.
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I thought Aldon's x-rays came back
And the results were really good. Didn’t they say he had pretty much completely healed?
Yes, but being out for a month slowed him a bit
That’s why Gabbert was ragging on him for not getting the TD. Another one to two weeks and I imagine he will be 100%.
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He was definitely slower against Oklahoma
That pick would have been a pick 6 with a healthy Aldon. He definitely didn’t have the speed he had when he was 100%.
You're right that the fumbles have been a huge liability
But I’ve gotta push back against the idea that the Huskers have been “very, very lucky” to recover as many of them as they have. Many of Nebraska’s fumbles have been unforced – handoffs, fake handoffs, ball just popping out without a hit – which means there aren’t any defensive players right on top of the ballcarrier. This necessarily makes it far more likely that Nebraska will recover those fumbles than your standard defense-caused fumble.
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 28, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I understand where you're coming from, but I think you're wrong
When you take all opponent fumbles data (here and here), and do a correlation with the percentage of opponent fumbles that are forced (forced opponent fumbles/total opponent fumbles) and the percentage of opponent fumble that are recovered, there is only a slightly positive relationship, and the R-squared is less than 0.1.
In other words, whether the fumble is forced, or unforced, each team has about a 50% chance of recovering.
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Of course you can!
All you have to do is claim that I live in my parent’s basement and wear pajamas all day. Then, obviously, whatever I say has no validity!
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Oh, right.
I believe that’s known as “cowherding.”
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 28, 2010 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Unfortunately I can't do a direct analysis...
because I can’t find a place where the fumble recoveries are split out by whether the fumble was forced. So, yes, you could argue.
Also, while Nebraska has recovered a large portion of their own fumbles (15 out of 24), they’ve only recovered 2 of their opponents 9. Which means that Nebraska has recovered the ball exactly the number of times you would expect them to (17 of 33, 51.5%)
So, uhh. I think I just successfully refuted my point.
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Well, the stats say that Nebraska has been unusually good at recovering fumbles this year
Whether or not that’s simple luck will only be known a few years down the line when we’ve got a little more data.
Great preview.
I can’t wait to read what you think about the Nebraska defense side of it. Also, how big of an impact will the Hamilton injury have? I know we managed just fine in the 4th quarter of the OU game without him.
Hamilton got hurt in the first
if anything, the rotation of backups played most of the game.
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Gabbert showed up on the heisman watchlist today
on College Football Live. Said if he can win this game he has a good shot at a trip to NY.
I would say that is true but we will have to win out for him to be in NY.
Cam Newton is still the favorite at this point and even after Sat. probably.
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Oh yeah, without a doubt
It would be another ‘daniel having no chance against tebow’ situation.
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by Tysonthebison on Oct 28, 2010 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Newton may be the exception but for everyone else, their candidacy will depend on their team's
record.
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even Newton's might
if he gets shut down by Bama.
I don’t think this is Gabbert’s year for the Heisman invite push, though. Slow start in the non-con, no preseason recognition. If all goes well, though, next year he could be headed to NY.
I'm not sure he deserves it
Our O has been effective, but not the kind to put up gaudy numbers.
Blow up the NU O-line
Texas stopped Nebraska because their defensive line blew up the NU O-line. It’s as simple as that. If you give Martinez time to read or throw he’s gonna move the chains. If you’re in his face right after the snap the zone read option is worthless and Martinez tends to make some pretty /facepalm decisions when under pressure. I think Missouri is capable of repeating what Texas was able to do. If Nebraska can keep Missouri’s defenders out of the backfield then the game is a toss up. If not, look for a Missouri blowout.
The same applies to Mizzou's O-line
If Gabbert has all day to throw like he’s had in the last three conference games, it doesn’t matter how good Nub’s secondary is, he’ll pick them apart.
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I think it's safe to say
that “blow up the O-Line” is a recipe for defensive success no matter what the scheme is.
Triple option, Pistol, Spread, Air Raid, Spread Option…if the line gets blowed the hell up by the opposing “D” it’s hard to have success running or throwing. When the backfield contains players with different colored jerseys on, you usually aren’t having a good day moving the ball and scoring points.
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you funny......
LMAO – you got lucky with OU, we choked with UT. Rumor has it that the Blackshirts have been getting remedial coaching. BO does not loose games that matter. shocking as it may seem, mizzou has found a way to be relevant this year. .
NU will not loose this game….. Not at home, call it a final parting shot.
This game will not even be close.
bring hearing protection….the house will be rockin….
by AZHusker94 on Oct 28, 2010 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Awesome ...
… that’s for adding to the discussion. We’re really going to miss you guys next year. Good luck to you.
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by mitch cumstein on Oct 28, 2010 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
BO does not loose games that matter
you realize you lost to Texas right? The game you had a whole ad campaign about?
Work on your spelling brah
You’re going to start making me think the whole “The N Stands for Knowledge” joke is true. And that’d be mean and probably wrong.
by mizzousundevil on Oct 28, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey Folks
Seriously. Let’s try and keep things civil and not stoop to feeding people who are engaging in trollish behavior.
I’d rather engage in discourse with JimmytheRed and CheeseandCorn.
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by D-Sing on Oct 28, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Word.
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Oct 28, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
many of them.
My, oh my, you sure know how to arrange things.
You set it up so well, so carefully.
Ain't it funny how your new life didn't change things.
You're still the same old girl you used to be.
by threadkiller on Oct 28, 2010 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
supported by numbers.
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Oct 28, 2010 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Bo doesn't lose games that matter?
It looks like the NU fanbase is forgetting the faceplant against Texas as quickly as the national media and pollsters are.
by Tohoya on Oct 28, 2010 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You didn't get that memo?
Strange. :)
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Oct 29, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Graphical analysis?
Bill, this is some great stuff! Wish I had seen it sooner. Do you think it would be possible to do a year long graphical display for each game that incorporates significant changes? Of course, what’s a significant change. I’m thinking player injuries, coaching changes, road vs. home. An example would be, running back A gets injured in game 3 but returns in game 9. It would be fun to see if there was a statistical change without said RB and if so, you could see it on the graph? Even a simple bar graph showing S&P+ might show this, don’t ya think? Maybe we could even use it to prove or dispell our fan created myth that the Huskers perform better on the road, yes/no?
Anyway, great stuff. I’m a Husker fan but I respect Mizzou a ton. I hope both teams play well and we have a great game, good luck to both teams!
by IdahoHuskerFan on Oct 28, 2010 5:56 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
If I have time tomorrow, I'll dive into this.
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One question regarding the stats for Bill C.
Are quarterback scrambles on pass plays counted as passes or runs? I ask because that seems to happen quite a bit with Martinez, and I wonder what that might do to the stats if those scrambles were counted as passes. They may not be planned, but making the opponents defend against the scramble is a big part of Nebraska’s passing game.
I wish I could distinguish for each team...
…but this comes straight from the play-by-play, so a run’s a run, and a pass is a pass.
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That's what I figured.
I just didn’t know if the PBP you used had some way of indicating that a run happened on a pass play. Thanks for the reply, though.
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 28, 2010 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I was curious about
the same thing. Martinez does have a habit of scrambling for 9, 10, 50 yards on 3rd and longs. So, it may skew the data if there were only (for arguments sake) 3 passing downs that he passed on, missing 2 passes would be 33%— you know…
Great analysis Bill!
Go Big Red!
by HuskerINtheArmy on Oct 29, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
how should we know?
see gaknar’s #5 pet peeve above. WE’RE A CONFUSED FANBASE, CHEESEANDCORN!!
/but really have no clue
My, oh my, you sure know how to arrange things.
You set it up so well, so carefully.
Ain't it funny how your new life didn't change things.
You're still the same old girl you used to be.
reply fail.
My, oh my, you sure know how to arrange things.
You set it up so well, so carefully.
Ain't it funny how your new life didn't change things.
You're still the same old girl you used to be.
by threadkiller on Oct 28, 2010 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
We're not confused
We’re bipolar paranoid schizophrenics.
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semantics. ;-)
My, oh my, you sure know how to arrange things.
You set it up so well, so carefully.
Ain't it funny how your new life didn't change things.
You're still the same old girl you used to be.
by threadkiller on Oct 29, 2010 6:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I put this earlier in a reply -
but I’d like to reiterate my belief that whomever is assigned to Martinez (or his nearest Mizzou brother) needs to hit Martinez, with or without the ball, even if it means giving up a big gain to Helu or Burkhead. Sooner or later those hits will add up. And most of all, go towards the man with the ball if you are the closest defender, don’t get caught flat footed in space between the two. I will try to count how many times there’s a flat footed defender in this situation during the game for Mizzou…
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If its Ebner assigned to that duty, he may only have to do it a couple of times
and then Martinez will either be pitching the ball every single time or sitting on the sideline watching Zac Lee pitching it every single time,
by M Krip on Oct 28, 2010 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sportsmanship????
Hit Martinez without the ball? Ok, think about this for just one second, if T. Martinez was your son, would you really want some idiot web forum punk telling people to hit your son when not necessary? Try this thing called RESPECT, it’s the humane thing to do.
Normally I agree with you on the whole "web guy being a jerk" thing...
But I don’t think people here are saying they should hit him illegally. They seem to be using the triple option defensive mentality in which you always hit the QB during the pitch when possible.
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I agree with RPT. The meaning is on a pitch option. I would point out that rarely do we run a pitch option anymore. It is mainly the zone read option where it is a hand-off.
by JimmytheRed on Oct 28, 2010 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
well I wouldn't want Eric Martin launching himself like a missile
at my son’s head either, but NU fans don’t seem to see a problem with that.
by rg643 on Oct 28, 2010 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
foo baw
The sleeper has awoken. . .awakened. . .he woke up.
by SleepyFloyd7 on Oct 28, 2010 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions
And IdahoHuskerFan
was not in on that discussion but, merely stated an opposing point of view. But, on running plays- the QB is fair game.
by HuskerINtheArmy on Oct 29, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
that is the standard way to defend the option
you have to go for the QB as well as the pitch man. You don’t stand around waiting to find out who has the ball because its going to be the guy 10 yards away from you running down the field towards the endzone.
Oh, I get it now.
Thanks guys for the clarification. I was under the impression that he meant to just hit T.M. every play no matter what. It’s easy to misread things on these forums. All is well then.
As for the Eric Martin thing, rg643, yeah I’m not proud of that whole mess. Any big hit will have its debaters. Taunting, however, should have ZERO debate. FWIW, I’m a Husker fan through and through, but I do think E. Martin was in the wrong. Really, did he have to hit that kid that hard? Why not give a good block and then move on and continue blocking?
by IdahoHuskerFan on Oct 28, 2010 10:57 PM CDT reply actions
yeah, that's kind of where I think he made a huge mistake
the play was still live and he was so wrapped up into the big hit and self acknowledgement that he basically took himself out of the play in order to stand and flex himself. I imagine if a camera wasn’t zeroed in on him at that point as well as on the sidelines (or he was wearing a Longhorn uniform), he might not have been attacked by Beebe afterwards.
It was the announcers
that made such a big deal. The announcer name Cunningham sounded like a skreechy little bitch. “Oh did he have to hit him that hard”? “Oh that was so uncalled for”. Shut up punk and call the game.
It was a football hit and to get suspended for that is ludicrous. I am a Husker fan through and through, and he was NOT in the wrong. As for seeing him on the sidelines laughing, that was just his teammate telling him some fat Okie Light chick was screaming for him.
The game Saturday will be for all of the marbles in the North battle. Hope its a great clean game. Don’t blink, and if you do, that was #3 Taylor Martinez blazing across your TV screen.
I will be at the game, so this will be awesome!!!
Good Luck to all of you Tiger fans!!!
You know T. Magic could technically be a blocker after pitching the ball...
So we should take him out Eric Martin style just in case?
Good to know!
If there is any hit in football that is illegal
I’d have to say that lining up an unwitting player that doesn’t have the ball, isn’t about to get the ball, and really isn’t anywhere near the ball, before crushing him in the face by leading with your helmet would qualify.
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by Transmogrified Tiger on Oct 29, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Are you
talking about the Martin block?
by HuskerINtheArmy on Oct 29, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Looks like a shoulder led block to me

Not “excessive,” not “too hard,” just a good ole’ block. He wasn’t speared, he wasn’t hit in the earhole, he didn’t take the top of the helmet to the facemask. It was in the direction of travel of the play it wasn’t needless. He jumped up and down when he saw the return man scoring (he may have been excited about the block too), and was laughing with his teammates on the sidelines because they were making fun of him. He was too winded to go out on the kickoff so they had to put someone else in for him.
A few unfortunate aspects:
1) The kid recently had back surgery and Gundy et al. put him in on the most dangerous play in football.
2) The kid was oblivious to what was going on around him.
3) Ed Cunningham is a drama-queen sensationalist.
4) The kid got hurt.
by HuskerINtheArmy on Oct 29, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
When you watch the replay
He sizes up a guy from 10 yards out that is not facing him, and then drills him in the face with his helmet.
I mean, I can understand if you want to say that this won’t be consistently enforced, or that the only reason it got punished is because the guy got hurt and it happens all the time. But there’s no defending the actual hit itself, it’s dangerous and dirty blocking.
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by Transmogrified Tiger on Oct 29, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
You forgot
5) Dan Beebe and Texas are plotting to give Mizzou the win
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Ah yes!
..that’s my favorite. While I don’t believe Dan “Squishy-Shorts” wants anything but grief for the Huskers; I believe Cunningham was the single largest driving force behind the review. If he really wanted to screw the Huskers to ensure a Mizzou win he would have suspended Taylor Martinez for making the OkSt defense look stupid and having a wanton disregard for their “feelings.”
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.
Missouri, Texas and Dan Beebe engineered the entire EXPANSIONPALOOZA craze in order to chase Nebraska and Colorado out so that we could get more money from the media deal. It was a brilliant plan, and it would have worked too if it weren’t for those blasted Aggies! * shakes fist *
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That's either
a few frames late or a few early (I’m leaning towards late, as the OSU player is leaning back). As seen here, it was pretty clearly a helmet-helmet, regardless of intention.
by Babbalynski on Oct 29, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep
Its not spot on but it clearly shows Martin’s head lower than the defender’s neck. The helmets collided but that wasn’t the initial point of impact. Lead is synonymous with first, so to say he led with the crown of his helmet would be ignoring the fact that his shoulder pads hit chest level first.
But, back on subject- this is one of the best statistical analysis jobs I’ve seen in any sport.
by HuskerINtheArmy on Oct 29, 2010 10:50 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't understand how people are still arguing this...
…Martin lowered his face mask so that his helmet would make contact. MAYBE, the shoulder pad touched Hudson first, but the brunt of that blow was absorbed by Hudson’s face mask, and that Martin lowered his face mask like that, seems to point to him intending to put his dome in Hudson’s face mask.
For the few NU fans that don’t think this is dirty pool-I’m assuming you would be ok with a Mizzou player landing one of these on a ‘blocking’ TM, after a hand-off or pitch on Saturday, right?
Anyway, awesome write-up on the game. I’m glad I came across it.
With these two teams playing . . .
. . . there is going to be some hellacious hitting from both sides – totally legal. When you play disciplined ball, you often get better chances to ring someone’s bell within the rules than by playing outside the rules. And you can feel good about the hit afterwards, with no hard feelings or recriminations.
This may be an even better ballgame than Oklahoma, with two tough, fast teams striving for the same prize.
Isn’t Saturday here yet?
That's my point.
I hear ya Mac, I really do. I don’t agree with Martin’s hit. I love myself a good hit just like any other dude… when it’s necessary. I’m not saying we need to play grab ass here, but if the dude ain’t packing the rock, block him and move on. Sure if he’s got the ball, he’s fair game for a hard hit, that’s football. Any player carrying the ball should be well aware of that.
I do agree that the TV announcers should shut up and call it like it is. How do they know Martin was on the sideline “yucking it up” about that hit? Speak what you know, it comes down to that.
+1 for the analysis...
Who needs ESPN.com for Fox Sports?
Anyway, I only had one issue with the article…
We expected this offense to be atrocious this season, and it appears it probably would be if
I think the main thing that has helped with this year’s offense over last year is the depth/health/experience of the offensive line.
My honest opinion, NU would be 7-0 right now if Lee was under center. We have two very good backs, a handful of good receivers, and with Lee’s arm under center, we would have had more of a balanced attack.
Because of that, Texas would have had to balance out their defense and open some things up for NU’s offense.
Wow.
NU would be 7-0 right now if Lee was under center.
That is not an opinion I was expecting at all. Out of curiosity, would it have mattered who was behind center against Texas if Burkhead, Kinnie, et al. still don’t hold on to the passes?
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If those passes were caught, I think they win. Maybe comfortably.
Again, Texas just matched up all too well against our style of rushing attack. With Lee under center, I am pretty sure it would have opened up the box a bit.
by HerpieHusker on Oct 29, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't really think the odds of beating Texas are any better with Lee under center
We saw Lee with pretty much the same cast of characters last year and the results were not good. Martinez is extremely dynamic and makes Nebraska much, much more difficult to prepare for. I’d say odds are much more likely that Nebraska would’ve dropped another game rather than pulled it out against Texas.
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by Transmogrified Tiger on Oct 29, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
again...
You saw Lee with an offensive line plagued with injuries, lack of experience and depth. This offense is most improved by their play, not not exclusively Martinez. Zach Lee would perform very well with a decent front – which he did not have last year.
by HerpieHusker on Oct 29, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't doubt that they'd be better than last year
I do have significant doubts they’d exceed or even match the standard they’ve set with Martinez under center.
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by Transmogrified Tiger on Oct 29, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
By standard...
do you mean looking like fools against Texas? With Lee they would have been much more balanced and disciplined.
Martinez is explosive, fast, and exciting. No doubt. But he is a Freshman and with that comes the inevitable. Do I think we match some of the rushing yard totals this year? Absolutely not. But I do think we see many more passing yards.
It’s a crapshoot, but I don’t think they would have lost to Texas. The second Lee entered the game the ball started moving. Just proves he was a better matchup agaisnt Texas.
And I know it’s insulting to Missouri fans for a Nebraska fan to sugest NU would have been 7-0 with a change of QB, but it is what it is.
by HerpieHusker on Oct 29, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
No it isn't insulting to Missouri fans so suggest NU could be 7-0 with a change of QB.
It’s the idea that a specific QB named Zac Lee, would have won more games then the QB that is a revelation to the NU offense coupled with the fact that an NU fan is making that point.
Martinez is a freshman, he’ll have those mistakes, but Zac Lee is not a freshman, and has made the same mistakes.
Not insulting in any way, just interesting point of view.
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