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Nebraska-Kansas State: What It Means

I originally typed out the following five thoughts for this morning's links post, but the post was already getting long, so I thought I'd just flesh it out in an entirely new post.  Here are five thoughts about last night's game.  And yes, I mentioned some of these either on Twitter or in last night's live thread.

1. Taylor Martinez has one of the best play-fakes I've ever seen.

It's Kaepernick-esque.  Colin Kaepernick has a great play-fake because not only does he disguise the ball longer and better than most, but with his ostrich legs, he's ten yards upfield in about three steps once he has you fooled.  Martinez isn't 11 feet tall like Kaepernick ... but he's really, really fast, which more than makes up for it.  He disguises the ball for so long that it points to NU's biggest area of vulnerability right now -- they've now fumbled 18 times in five games -- but if it doesn't result in a fumble, it results in a really, really nice gain.

My work at Football Outsiders has proven that the correlations between strong recruiting and strong on-field performance are quite high, so clearly it is important to compile as high a quantity of strong talent as is possible.  But the breakthrough players are not always the most high-profile.  Think about recent Mizzou and Nebraska recruiting classes.  Andrew Jones and Michael Keck were four-star signees, Chase Daniel and Chase Coffman three, Sean Weatherspoon and Danario Alexander two.  Marlon Lucky was a five-star, Quentin Castille four, Prince Amukamara and Taylor Martinez three.  The production doesn't always match up with the star rating.  Martinez had no other major offers, and when he committed, Nebraska was unsure if they would put him at quarterback or free safety.  And then Martinez didn't actually win the starting quarterback job until, supposedly (unless Pelini knew all along and didn't let on), the final week of August practices.  Now he's second in the country in rushing.

The most high-profile recruits often become huge stars.  South Carolina's Marcus Lattimore, Alabama's Trent Richardson and Julio Jones, Ohio State's Terrelle Pryor, Tennessee's (and now Kansas City's) Eric Berry ... all were five-star, top ten recruits out of high school.  But the guys who can push your program from decent to very good, or very good to great, are often guys you have no reason to expect.  More four- and five-star signees = better chance at success.  But once your signees are on campus, it's probably best not to figure out who is truly going to help your team break through.  Once they put on the jersey, their star ratings go in the trash.

2. Nebraska is fast. Kansas State is not.

As The Beef said last night in the live thread (I always have to steal at least one thought from him), you have to have speed and discipline in the linebacking corps and secondary to contain the Nebraska offense.  It was pretty clear from the start that the Kansas State defense had neither.  How many times was Martinez tackled once he got about three yards beyond the line of scrimmage?  If he got through the line, he was gaining at least 20 yards, possibl y80.  Part of that is insane speed, but part of it, as proven by a lot of the wide-angle replays, was that K-State was taking horrible angles, and when they took the right angle, they got there far too late.  It wouldn't surprise me if a faster, smarter defense (like that of Texas next week) was able to contain things a little better.  Of course, even if Texas is slowing the Nebraska offense down, they still have to score.  We'll see about that.

It really is clear, though, that Kansas State just doesn't have the horses.  It was most vivid not on a Martinez run, but on the 79-yard play-action touchdown pass to Kyler Reed.  Reed was wide open deep and had to come to almost a complete stop to catch a pass that hung up behind him.  K-State's two best defensive backs -- safeties Tysyn Hartman and Emmanuel Lamur -- were catching up to him at (I assume) full speed ... and Reed was still able to outrun both of them to the end zone.

Kyler Reed is a tight end.  You want damning?  That's damning.

The main question for Kansas State moving forward is, can Bill Snyder find the speed his team is lacking and get it on campus?  In K-State's glory days, there was always a Lockett brother or a David Allen ready to explode for an 80-yard touchdown on offense, and there was always speed to burn on defense.  Not surprisingly, the first of a new generation of Locketts (Tyler Lockett, Kevin's son) is on the way next season, and what the Brown brothers (Aaron and Bryce, both of whom were five-star recruits who left the state and transferred back, eligible in 2011) appear to lack in actual football instincts, they certainly seem to possess in athleticism.  But will that be enough?  We know Snyder teams will be well-coached and physical, but the difference between a salty 6-6 and another string of 10-win seasons is athleticism, and K-State does not have it just yet.

3. Lavonte David is fun to watch.

He's exactly the kind of linebacker Nebraska needed.  He's a JUCO transfer from Fort Scott C.C., and ... tell me again why I spend every summer writing tens of thousands of words about the season when newcomers/injuries/random breakthroughs and slumps will render moot half of what I write?  David and Martinez have made Nebraska a completely different team ... and I barely mentioned either of them over the summer.

4. Daniel Thomas is a great back to have, as long as you can stay close enough for him to do good things in the second half.

The problem with power backs whose best asset is to wear down defenses over the course of 60 minutes is, if you're down three touchdowns at halftime, he's of no value.  Last night was a good game for proving two of the four "truths" I talked about last week on Outsiders -- big plays are vital (KSU had no hope for any), and while we remember fourth-quarter heroics, the first half matters even more.

5. It's easy to see how to stop Nebraska. Harder to do.

5. Nebraska is similar to their mid-1990s counterparts in one very specific way: the recipe for stopping them seems very easy to figure out -- go all out to stop the run (hoping you don't get burned by play-action), force an iffy passing quarterback to throw the ball, take advantage when they lay the ball on the ground, score every time you have the opportunity, etc.  Only ... while it may be easy to figure out, it's really hard to actually do.  Mizzou has the speed necessary to at least slow Nebraska down, but they're going to have to play extremely disciplined, recover most of the fumbles, and at least fight the Huskers to a draw in the special teams department if they're going to have a chance.  Possible?  Yes.  Probable?  No.  And they're going to have to stay out of passing downs as well -- they're more well-equipped to handle them than K-State, but you still don't want to have to handle them.

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"Once they put on the jersey, their star ratings go in the trash."

Or, alternatively, to quote Martin Rucker: “Once you come across that line of scrimmage, we’ll knock those stars right out your ass.”

by RPT on Oct 8, 2010 9:24 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Kuddo's

"Every absurdity has a champion to defend it" Olivar Goldsmith

by 1Believer on Oct 8, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOVE that quote.

But wow, I’m not sure if I’ve hated Nebraska this much since ’97.

It's not the size of the dog in the fight; it's the size of the fight in the dog.
- Mark Twain

by T3T on Oct 8, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Me neither, not since 2001

On HuskerNation I think they’re already debating what to inscribe on their Big 12 rings

by BuffsFan99 on Oct 8, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow

They are sosososososososo beatable. I love it. Lets just hope Aldon Smith can keep himself healthy by the time that game rolls around.

Im now scared of the third peroid...thanks Blues.

by #74forthewin on Oct 8, 2010 10:42 AM CDT reply actions  

"Possible? Yes. Probable? No" -------- if you buy into Bill C's analysis

I must say… I’m glad Pinkle is our coach… The back seat Quarterbacks on this blog that feel they know it all… Just kind of irk me sometimes… Bill might be 100% correct but, this is why the games are played… on the field… It is way too early to be making this kind of conjecture concerning any team out there… Quite frankly… I want to see more… Really…. Who has Nebraska beaten?

by coinaster on Oct 8, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Who cares about facts and reason . . .

. . . when emotion is so much more exciting? :-)

by countrycal on Oct 8, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm

You seem a bit defensive. I think:

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by D-Sing on Oct 8, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nah...

He’s got to come stronger than that for the ban hammer to drop.

by RPT on Oct 8, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

How dare someone pass me on the

Most likely to get banned list. I need to step up my game.

Annoying You Since 1986

by MUTIGERS86 on Oct 8, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

if sexual preference would have been called into question

the ban would have been more likely. :-)

My, oh my, you sure know how to arrange things.
You set it up so well, so carefully.
Ain't it funny how your new life didn't change things.
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by threadkiller on Oct 8, 2010 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Words like that make Baby Jesus cry...

…and make Raptor Jesus very angry.

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Oct 8, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you know.

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Oct 8, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

somewhere near

there’s a mariachi band getting tuned up for the epic Mexican Super Greg fury.

Finds MvP RoC to be a stellar individual

by Ausgiano on Oct 8, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

That really escalated quickly.

Brick Killed a Guy

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by MUTIGERS86 on Oct 8, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I SAW that!

Brick, I’ve been meaning to talk to you about that. You should find yourself a safehouse or a relative close by. Lay low for a while, because you’re probably wanted for murder.

by Babbalynski on Oct 8, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought three times was a lady...

Finds MvP RoC to be a stellar individual

by Ausgiano on Oct 8, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Seriously, can we as a community stop with this?

I used to participate on another forum where half the posts are people fucking correcting grammar on others’ posts. As long as people make a good-faith effort to post, then there isn’t much need to call people out. It’s not cute, and saying it’s a pet peeve makes it about as forgivable as “I’m not trying to be mean, but…”.

Not trying to just call you out, but I’ve seen a bunch of grammar/spelling/usage nazis in the live threads this season and I think it increases the noise significantly. The last thing we want as a community is members discouraged to post because they’re going to get called out by someone else for their grammar, not their substance.

by hed64 on Oct 8, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

In this case...

…I’m pretty sure the grammar got called out primarily because of the substance.

by Bill C. on Oct 8, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

That, and ...

I mean … Pinkel’s been the coach here for a decade now. I agree about a lot of the ‘grammar nazi’ type comments, but at this point we should all know how to spell P-I-N-K-E-L.

by Bill C. on Oct 8, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't see what's so hard

about taking 3 or 4 seconds before you post and proofreading what you type….those little red squiggly lines under words mean you misspelled something.

by CPC on Oct 8, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

I don’t care if you use the wrong version of “its” or “there.” Unless you’re being a dick, and then I’m going to unleash the JournoFury on you to prove that I am smarter than you, and therefore your points are invalid.

But the name of your team’s own coach? That’s pretty bad.

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Oct 8, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Chase Daniels for Heisman!

Whoever said, 'It's not whether you win or lose that counts,' probably lost.
Martina Navratilova

by tigers and chiefs fan on Oct 8, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

LOL, I was thinking the same thing.

Plus Pinkle is too much like tinkle. Sometimes the masses have to be educated in a polite and friendly way.

by M Krip on Oct 8, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you mean Chase McDaniel

How could you forget the guy who threw all of those TD’s to Kerry Maier? And you call yourself a Tiger fan…

by Gaknar on Oct 9, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I dont undestand why

people care so much about other peoples’ business. It’s not they’re business at all, and its not like it gets in the way of good conversation. Just let it go.

Annoying You Since 1986

by MUTIGERS86 on Oct 8, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hate to jump into what seems to be a fine argument

but I fail to see how misspelling a name negates his(or her) point: That he (or she) doesn’t feel that what we’ve seen so far from Nebraska should lead to the belief that it’s “not probable” we’ll win.

by Babbalynski on Oct 8, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've got one!

When it wasn’t a monsoon last year, we were outscored 28-0 on our home field to them. Then from the games so far this season, it would appear they have improved much more than we have. And we are on the road. Not saying we can’t win. But if you think we have a better than 50% shot to win that game you might want to check your nose for black and gold glasses.

Annoying You Since 1986

by MUTIGERS86 on Oct 8, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

ooooooooooooooh kay.

I never said I agreed with the poster. I simply said misspelling the coach’s name did not negate the point. The poster has also made it clear this is his or her OPINION. Not a statement of fact.

by Babbalynski on Oct 8, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

i can assure you

my nose is securely fitted with black and gold glasses. fwiw.

My, oh my, you sure know how to arrange things.
You set it up so well, so carefully.
Ain't it funny how your new life didn't change things.
You're still the same old girl you used to be.

by threadkiller on Oct 8, 2010 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

And you are far too pesimistic

This is still the same Nebraska team that will inexplicably fumble 8 times in a game. If that Nebraska shows up, they are very beatable. If they other Nebraska shows up, they are only mostly beatable.

by Gaknar on Oct 9, 2010 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

going into the season

it wasn’t more likely than not that we would win in Nebraska. This was when Nebraska’s linebackers were unproven and injured and they had no quarterback. Now they have a guy playing out of his mind at linebacker and a qb who, through this point in the season, has put himself on the shortlist of heisman candidates.

I don’t see how, based upon those facts, anyone with even a semblance of an unbiased eye would say it is more likely than not that we will go in and beat Nebraska.

by mizzou2396 on Oct 8, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

And I never said it was!

I simply said that the misspelling was not directly related to the content. I’m not defending the position, merely arguing Bill’s assertion that the typo and content were directly related.

by Babbalynski on Oct 8, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't see where Bill made that assertion, actually.

Others of us did, but I don’t see where Bill did.

Ross called him on the mispelling and it all spiraled away from there.

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by D-Sing on Oct 8, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

*
In this case…

…I’m pretty sure the grammar got called out primarily because of the substance.

Have you bought your 2010 Missouri Football Preview yet??

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by Bill C. on Oct 8, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply Star-gray Rec Story-flag Flag

by Babbalynski on Oct 8, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you for pointing that out

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by D-Sing on Oct 8, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

"the back seat Quarterbacks on this blog that feel they know it alL. . .

. . . just kind of irks me sometimes" is the content that elicited my response. If you are going to come up with some kind of inane comment or misspelling after such an attack, then take the sarcasm that results and live to misspell another day.

by countrycal on Oct 8, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

And that's your opinion.

I expressed mine that this is a poor discussion/argument tactic. I’m done on this subject.

by Babbalynski on Oct 8, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am merely

countering the posters position. It seemed as though you wanted some sort of substance as to why the poster’s position was incorrect.

Maybe I was wrong and that’s not what you wanted and I misinterpreted your post as passive-aggressive so that you could fall back on a “I never said that” position.

Either way, I doubt either of us will lose any sleep over this.

by mizzou2396 on Oct 8, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

My point

was that there were better refutations and falling back on the grammar argument is lazy at best. I didn’t need them pointed out, but I supposed I could’ve indicated that.

by Babbalynski on Oct 8, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

apology accepted

I declare victory of this inane debate over what the terms of the debate were16

by mizzou2396 on Oct 8, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

*

But you forget we’re playing “I WIN!” The only rule you need to know is I Win. Always.

by Babbalynski on Oct 8, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's not just a name

it’s the name of the man who has been in charge of the program for a decade. To me, the least you can do after seeing someone’s mug for a decade is to spell their name right.

I don’t care about misspelling words as long as the context is clear and I know what you’re saying it’s all good.

But misspelling a name that is pretty easy to spell (as opposed to say, Krzyzewski) is poor form.

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by D-Sing on Oct 8, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

And I still say

this is not enough reason to negate the point. You can use facts and stats and what have you to contradict it, but don’t just dismiss it because of a misspelling.

by Babbalynski on Oct 8, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

But if we do

you will get upset and point out that you weren’t defending that point either. What responses were you hoping to get from your first post in this topic?

by lionsden on Oct 8, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Um,

how about responses that didn’t attack me like I WAS defending that point? I was addressing Bill’s point that the misspelling is related to the content of the post. If commenters had pointed out, say, “If he can’t spell the coach’s name correctly, he may not pay close attention to the games,” then I would’ve been fine with it and acknowledged the point. Instead, a slew of people were addressing me like I was defending the point. Do you see how this might be a little frustrating?

by Babbalynski on Oct 9, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pot...meet kettle. Kettle...meet pot.
Quite frankly… I want to see more… Really…. Who has Nebraska beaten?

Because we’ve beaten…?

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by D-Sing on Oct 8, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Of all the things to tut-tut, by the way...

…you’re going to choose a nothing-but-gray-area comment like “It’s possible but not probable that we win in Lincoln”? It’s not exactly like I said, “Man, they’re going to beat us by 80” or something…

by Bill C. on Oct 8, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

we've beaten

Western Kentucky, Idaho, Washington, South Dakota State, and Kansas State.

by Ceek on Oct 9, 2010 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agree on all points.

I think it was Martinezs’ 2nd TD where the KSU safety came up to stop him but…a) realized Taylor had it too late and when he did come forward Martinez was already 4-5yards down the field b) an NU WR was able to put out one hand and completely change the KSU safeties direction while Martines busted it outside, that was when I started to think that NU would come away with that game.

Dr. Ausgiano schools me in the classroom and on the field of battle

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Oct 8, 2010 10:45 AM CDT reply actions  

On a side note, anyone else think it’s absolutely ridiculous that Nebraska’s uniform patch says: “Nebraska Football, A winning tradition.” Yeah, Bo. You guys sucked for like four years and suddenly everyone forgot the 90s happened.

It's not the size of the dog in the fight; it's the size of the fight in the dog.
- Mark Twain

by T3T on Oct 8, 2010 10:46 AM CDT reply actions  

Not any more ridiculous than 'Through these gates pass the best fans in college football'.

Or any other marketing pablum. It’s there because their fans want to see it.

by Andy--01 on Oct 8, 2010 12:09 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I wasn’t disputing that. I just think the patch is a little over-the-top.

It's not the size of the dog in the fight; it's the size of the fight in the dog.
- Mark Twain

by T3T on Oct 8, 2010 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but you have to agree it's redundant.

Totally redundant. Like no-one-else-in-college-football-with-a-“winning tradition”-has-a-ridiculous-patch-like-that, redundant.

You might as well have a patch with your W-L record on it and update it after every game. Everyone knows Nebraska is historically good. You don’t need it printed on the uniform to remind us.

It's not the size of the dog in the fight; it's the size of the fight in the dog.
- Mark Twain

by T3T on Oct 8, 2010 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think anyone forgot the 90s happened

I think Nebraska fans, during the suckage known as the Callahan “error”, wanted to get back to the 90s.

I’m fine with the patch because they do have a winning tradition. Every program that’s a big winner has had some kind of down period. But it doesn’t invalidate their standing as a big name program.

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by D-Sing on Oct 8, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

As much as Bo drives me nuts,

It’s a good move. It plays to the fans, and I’m sure it helps to motivate a bunch of 19-22 year old kids.

by Sheriff Blalock on Oct 8, 2010 12:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Watching that game last night didn't give me anymore insight

I sitll think the outcome of the MU vs Neb is still to be decided. They look like they are going to be tough but K-State did nothing in that game. MU still hasn’t provided us with their true identity in 2010, but I hope that we crush them and send them to the Big 10 crying with a loss to the Tigers on their mind.

by HBTiger on Oct 8, 2010 2:01 PM CDT reply actions  

After watching each team's first drive.

It was pretty obvious who was going to win that game. KSU had to work hard to lumber itself down the field. I was extremely impressed that they were able to pull it off and I didn’t think they were going to be able to repeat that first drive very much for the rest of the game. I was then interested in seeing NU’s first drive and if they had any difficulty maybe we’d see a good competitive low scoring game that hinges on special teams play much like the NU/MU game last year in Columbia. 3 minutes 25 seconds later with Martinez going into the endzone unscathed, I pretty much knew K-State had no chance. I hope that we don’t find ourselves on the receiving end of a beatdown like that this year from any team. I felt sorry for the Wildcats. I wouldn’t wish that on anyone except maybe Kansas.

by M Krip on Oct 8, 2010 2:46 PM CDT reply actions  

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