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How will the Big 12 play out?

We've got two weeks left in the Big 12 regular season, which means a couple of different things: 1) OMG CHAMPIONSHIP WEEK IS ALMOST HERE!!!!!1!, and 2) it's time to start taking a look at seeding for the Big 12 Tournament.  We're going to do this in two different ways.  First, we're going to walk through the rest of the season chronologically, checking out the most likely developments in the Big 12 standings.  Then, we're going to look at both the biggest tossups remaining on the schedule, the most important games in regard to the standings, and the teams with the highest and lowest ceilings based on remaining games.  Let's hop to it!

First, here are the current Big 12 standings, complete what the conference tourney seedings would be if the season ended today.

Seed Team Conf. Overall
1 Kansas 12-0 26-1
2 Kansas State 9-3 22-4
3 Texas A&M 8-4 19-7
4 Missouri 8-4 20-7
5 Baylor 7-5 20-6
6 Texas 7-5 21-6
7 Oklahoma State 7-5 19-7
8 Texas Tech 4-8 16-10
9 Oklahoma 4-8 13-13
10 Colorado 3-9 12-14
11 Iowa State 2-10 13-14
12 Nebraska 1-11 13-14


For all the (90% justifiable) hype Kansas State has received this season, they still have quite a bit of work to do to lock up the tournament's 2-seed.  They lead ATM and Missouri by only one game, but the big logjam, of course, comes in the #3-7 range, where depending on tie-breakers, five different teams are fighting for the two likely remaining first round byes.

February 22-March 1: Mid-Week Games

In parentheses below are the current odds for each game, culled of course from Ken Pomeroy.  Biggest games are in bold.

Monday
Oklahoma at Kansas (KU: 98%)

Tuesday
Kansas State at Texas Tech (KSU: 73%)

Wednesday
Nebraska at Iowa State (ISU: 70%)
Texas A&M at Baylor (BU: 74%)
Oklahoma State at Texas (UT: 85%)
Colorado at Missouri (MU: 92%)

Not a lot of tossup games here.  NU-ISU should be a tight one (not that anyone cares), but the closest things to tossups are KSU's trip to Lubbock and ATM's trip to Waco.  Both games are obviously pretty big -- if KSU loses, then Mizzou will suddenly find themselves tied for second; meanwhile, ATM-Baylor could have as much impact on the standings as any single game the rest of the way.  Both, however, have pretty likely results, with KSU and Baylor the likely victors.

Star-divide

So with the likely results above, here are the resulting standings.

Seed Team Conf. Overall
1 Kansas 13-0 27-1
2 Kansas State 10-3 23-4
3 Missouri 9-4 21-7
4 Baylor 8-5 21-6
5 Texas 8-5 22-6
6 Texas A&M 8-5 19-8
7 Oklahoma State 7-6 19-8
8 Texas Tech 4-9 16-11
9 Oklahoma 4-9 13-14
10 Iowa State 3-10 14-14
11 Colorado 3-10 12-15
12 Nebraska 1-12 13-15


Not much change here, although Missouri (very briefly) assumes sole possession of third place.

February 22-March 1: Weekend Games

Saturday
Texas at Texas A&M (UT: 53% -- PICKING ATM)
Texas Tech at Nebraska (NU: 60%)
Iowa State at Colorado (CU: 63%)
Missouri at Kansas State (KSU: 68%)
Baylor at Oklahoma (BU: 76%)
Kansas at Oklahoma State (KU: 79%)

Whereas the mid-week games are not worth much in the tossups department, all six weekend games are under the 80% threshold, and four are under 70%.  In other words, this is probably the single biggest day remaining on the schedule.

I'm picking ATM over Texas because while the likely loss of Dogus Balbay isn't necessarily a make-or-break injury for the 'Horns, it's probably worth 3%, which would swing the game's odds to ATM.  As we'll see, however, as it pertains to Mizzou's seeding, Texas-ATM is probably the single most influential non-Mizzou game left on the schedule.  If ATM wins this, Mizzou would likely have to beat KSU AND Kansas to get past ATM in the standings.

As for the other games, obviously Tech-NU and ISU-CU don't really impact much, and while KU's trip to Gallagher-Iba could be a trap, the odds still significantly favor Kansas; but the Mizzou-KSU game is highly influential.  KSU is clearly favored by basically a 2-to-1 margin, but Pomeroy's projections call for just a 5-point KSU victory, meaning if Mizzou gets a little shooting luck, they could steal the game.  (For the record, I don't even remotely see it happening, but still.)

Resulting standings:

Seed Team Conf. Overall
1 Kansas 14-0 28-1
2 Kansas State 11-3 24-4
3 Baylor 9-5 22-6
4 Texas A&M 9-5 20-8
5 Missouri 9-5 21-8
6 Texas 8-6 22-7
7 Oklahoma State 7-7 19-9
8 Texas Tech 4-10 16-12
9 Colorado 4-10 13-15
10 Oklahoma 4-10 13-15
11 Iowa State 3-11 14-15
12 Nebraska 2-12 14-15


If Mizzou does win in the Octagon, then they'll not only stay a game ahead of tie-break killers Baylor and ATM, but they'll own the sweep of K-State, meaning they would remaining a 2-seed here.  If they lose (clearly the more likely scenario), then they fall into a 3rd-place tie with Baylor and ATM ...and they obviously lose that tie-break miserably.  Meanwhile, not that anybody would actually care, but the bottom five teams would be in an interesting race of their own.

March 2-8: Mid-Week Games

Monday
Oklahoma at Texas (UT: 94%)

Tuesday
Colorado at Nebraska (NU: 64%)
Baylor at Texas Tech (BU: 67%)
Missouri at Iowa State (MU: 73%)

Wednesday
Oklahoma State at Texas A&M (ATM: 72%)
Kansas State at Kansas (KU: 83%)

This batch of mid-week games is much more intriguing than the previous week's.  Yes, we'd have a likely Big Monday dud in OU-UT; plus, while KSU-KU would get MAJOR billing and hype, the likely scenario in that one is a relatively easy KU win.  But the other three games all fall under the 75% threshold.  Baylor-Tech could be very interesting, and Tech is just unpredictable enough to win that game.  Plus you've got a potential OSU-ATM dogfight (OSU beat ATM by 7 at G-I back in January) and a potential trap game for Mizzou in Ames.  None of the key games falls within 67%, so the outcomes are still relatively safe, but there are certainly games of interest there.

Resulting standings:

Seed Team Conf. Overall
1 Kansas 15-0 29-1
2 Kansas State 11-4 24-5
3 Baylor 10-5 23-6
4 Texas A&M 10-5 21-8
5 Missouri 10-5 22-8
6 Texas 9-6 23-7
7 Oklahoma State 7-8 19-10
8 Texas Tech 4-11 16-13
9 Colorado 4-11 13-16
10 Oklahoma 4-11 13-16
11 Iowa State 3-12 14-16
12 Nebraska 3-12 15-15


You once again see how big the ATM-Texas game is. Mizzou likely beats ISU, but they still find themselves tied with Baylor and ATM.  If Texas can knock of ATM without Balbay, however, then Mizzou controls its own destiny in the search for a bye.  (And if Mizzou loses to ISU, then while their NCAA tourney status is still pretty much a lock, their hopes for conference tourney bye are out the window ... and deservedly so.)

A major wildcard here is K-State.  They are rolling right now, and as long as they take care of business and win the games they're supposed to win, they're a lock for second.  But their odds of beating both Texas Tech (73%) AND Mizzou (68%) are only 49.6%, and if they slip up once, then the race for the #'s 2-6 seeds are a complete and total mess, especially if that loss is to Tech (which would result in a four-way tie for second at 10-5).

March 2-8: Weekend Games

We head into the final weekend with two impactful tossup games.  Texas travels to Waco, where Baylor holds a slight edge in terms of odds; meanwhile, KU heads to The Wood Chipper (god bless you, Mitch Holtus), trying to complete a perfect Big 12 season.

Saturday
Texas at Baylor (BU: 57%)
Kansas at Missouri (KU: 60%)
Texas Tech at Colorado (CU: 61%)
Texas A&M at Oklahoma (ATM: 67%)
Nebraska at Oklahoma State (OSU: 82%)
Iowa State at Kansas State (KSU: 92%)

Unless Mizzou beats Kansas, then the Baylor-Texas game doesn't mean a lot in the current scenario, as the #4 spot would come down to a Baylor-Mizzou tie-break, which BU would win thanks to Ekpe Udoh's last-second tip-in in Waco.  However, both of these games are essentially in complete tossup mode, and Mizzou will have a chance to clinch a bye with a win and a Baylor loss.

Seed Team Conf. Overall
1 Kansas 16-0 27-1
2 Kansas State 12-4 25-5
3 Baylor 11-5 24-6
4 Texas A&M 11-5 22-8
5 Missouri 10-6 22-9
6 Texas 9-7 23-8
7 Oklahoma State 8-8 20-10
8 Colorado 5-11 14-16
9 Texas Tech 4-12 16-14
10 Oklahoma 4-12 13-17
11 Iowa State 3-13 14-17
12 Nebraska 3-13 15-16


Thanks to the losses to both Baylor and ATM, Mizzou really does have to beat either KSU or KU to give themselves a rock solid chance at a bye, and honestly, they probably need the KSU game more, as it would set up a 4-way tie in the above standings.  However, with tossup games against both BU and ATM, Texas is Mizzou's best friend moving forward.  Granted, if UT beats both teams, they could potentially pass Mizzou in the standings, which wouldn't help matters much, but as we move into the thousands of "If" scenarios, Texas helps Mizzou as much as they hurt them.

Big 12 Tourney Pairings
8 Colorado vs 9 Texas Tech (winner plays 1 Kansas)
5 Missouri vs 12 Nebraska (winner plays 4 Texas A&M)
6 Texas vs 11 Iowa State (winner plays 3 Baylor)
7 Oklahoma State vs 10 Oklahoma (winner plays 2 Kansas State)

Fun with Odds

Now let's look at things in a different way.  Below are the remaining Big 12 games, in order from biggest tossup to smallest, with the games as above in bold.

50%-60%
Feb. 28: Texas at Texas A&M (UT: 53% -- PICKED ATM)
Mar. 7: Texas at Baylor (BU: 57%)
Feb. 28: Texas Tech at Nebraska (NU: 60%)
Mar. 7: Kansas at Missouri (KU: 60%)

61%-70%
Mar. 7: Texas Tech at Colorado (CU: 61%)
Feb. 28: Iowa State at Colorado (CU: 63%)
Mar. 3: Colorado at Nebraska (NU: 64%)
Mar. 3: Baylor at Texas Tech (BU: 67%)
Mar. 7: Texas A&M at Oklahoma (ATM: 67%)
Feb. 28: Missouri at Kansas State (KSU: 68%)
Feb. 24: Nebraska at Iowa State (ISU: 70%)

71%-80%
Mar. 4: Oklahoma State at Texas A&M (ATM: 72%)
Feb. 23: Kansas State at Texas Tech (KSU: 73%)

Mar. 3: Missouri at Iowa State (MU: 73%)
Feb. 24: Texas A&M at Baylor (BU: 74%)

Feb. 28: Baylor at Oklahoma (BU: 76%)
Feb. 28: Kansas at Oklahoma State (KU: 79%)

81%-90%
Mar. 7: Nebraska at Oklahoma State (OSU: 82%)
Mar. 4: Kansas State at Kansas (KU: 83%)
Feb. 24: Oklahoma State at Texas (UT: 85%)

91%-100%
Feb. 24: Colorado at Missouri (MU: 92%)
Mar. 7: Iowa State at Kansas State (KSU: 92%)
Mar. 2: Oklahoma at Texas (UT: 94%)
Feb. 22: Oklahoma at Kansas (KU: 98%)

Of the five tightest "big" games, both Baylor and Texas play in two.  Both have quite a bit of volatility left in their schedule, especially Baylor.  The Bears not only have no "gimmes" left on the schedule (all of their games are projected at 76% or lower), but they're projected to win all four, meaning their projections can only go down.  Yes, they are projected to go 11-5 and lock up the 3-seed, but they have little margin for error -- while each game's odds break in their favor, their actual odds of winning all four are only 21.5%.  They will most likely slip up somewhere, which would give Mizzou a chance to pass them.

Actually, let's look at the projected final standings again, adding in a team's realistic ceiling and floor.  I'll determine the ceiling and floor by considering anything at 75% or lower a tossup.  That's a bit of a reach -- 75% is pretty safe, all things considered -- but that will give you a good idea of the volatility left on a team's schedule.

Seed Team Conf. Overall Realistic Ceiling/Floor
1 Kansas 16-0 27-1 16-0 / 15-1
2 Kansas State 12-4 25-5 12-4 / 10-6
3 Baylor 11-5 24-6 11-5 / 8-8
4 Texas A&M 11-5 22-8 12-4 / 8-8
5 Missouri 10-6 22-9 12-4 / 9-7
6 Texas 9-7 23-8 11-5 / 9-7
7 Oklahoma State 8-8 20-10 9-7 / 8-8
8 Colorado 5-11 14-16 6-10 / 3-13
9 Texas Tech 4-12 16-14 8-8 / 4-12
10 Oklahoma 4-12 13-17 5-11 / 4-12
11 Iowa State 3-13 14-17 5-11 / 2-14
12 Nebraska 3-13 15-16 4-12 / 1-15


Biggest Range Between Ceiling and Floor

  • 4 games: Texas A&M, Texas Tech
  • 3 games: Baylor, Missouri, Colorado, Iowa State, Nebraska
  • 2 games: Kansas State, Texas
  • 1 game: Kansas, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma

And just for fun...Mizzou has an 8.6% chance of finishing at 12-4 and a 0.9% chance of finishing at 8-8.  If they beat Colorado, their odds of going just 9-7 are 11.0%, while their odds of going 12-4 improve to 9.3%.  The most likely scenario at this point is clearly 10-6.

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we stand an EXCELLENT shot in bramlage. and ksu stands NO chance in lowrents. there’s one hurdle cleared. to me, atm is the likely choice to finish 2nd. the @waco game is the toughest left on their sked, and they are really rounding into form. too bad we couldn’t pull that baylor game out. 3rd place finish in a supposed down year would have been AWESOME. i wonder what the chances are the b12 gets 8 teams in. i know they can’t be good, but it’s the best conference in the nation, imo. especially when you consider ooc sked strength. can’t WAIT ’til march!!

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by threadkiller on Feb 21, 2010 5:28 PM CST reply actions  

SO my brain doesn't do this...

IF we go 10-6 (losing to KU, KSU, winning vs. CU, ISU; as expected…) THEN what are “the breaks” that we need to root for in order to get a bye? Obviously Baylor tanking and UT over ATM… anything else that HAS to happen for a 10-6 Mizzou team to not play on Thurs?

Bet me!

by TigerBartender on Feb 21, 2010 5:31 PM CST reply actions  

If we finish 10-6

that means we need 2 losses from Baylor or 3 from aTm. Getting Baylor to lose to aTm and UT seems more likely to me, although aTm does get Baylor, UT, and OSU. Wednesday’s game between Baylor and aTm will go a long way in determining who we need to root for to tank.

However, if we were to win through this week and take the game at Bramlage, we would essentially have a bye locked down, and if I understand the tiebreaker correctly, we’d have the 3 seed too(no KU til the final).

Moral of the story: This week, the path of least resistance is us winning @KSU(and v. CU of course), or aTm winning in Waco.

"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."

by Transmogrified Tiger on Feb 21, 2010 5:41 PM CST up reply actions  

is it a sin to hope we don't get a bye...

don’t get me wrong… a bye’s nice, but im pretty sure we won’t win the Big 12 tourney…

and another game is simply another win for tourney committee, lock or no lock

i think beating nebraska on neutral court is pretty much a given so i don’t see i downside to not getting a bye…

i’ll root for a bye, but its clearly not that bad a scenario… just a bit more work and more W’s

by stlcardsfan4 on Feb 21, 2010 5:42 PM CST reply actions  

I think we stand to lose a lot more than we'd gain from playing on Thursday

Sure, odds are we win that game, but things could go wrong(beating a team 3 times is hard, injuries, Singletary from last year, etc.), and that risk isn’t worth the minimal benefit of another W on the books.

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"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."

by Transmogrified Tiger on Feb 21, 2010 5:45 PM CST up reply actions  

It's hard to beat a team three times...

But for Nebraska it’s hard to beat 2 teams over a 16-game season.

"Missouri is not a good passing team. It's a great passing team."

by StopSpe on Feb 21, 2010 7:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Nebraska

Is one of those teams that is at the bottom of leagues that I dread playing. Their style is so much different, and they play everyone close.

by TheHamburglar on Feb 21, 2010 8:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Definitely a battle outside of Kansas

should be fun

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by ratherfantastic on Feb 21, 2010 6:17 PM CST reply actions  

In our remaining game previews

can you please post a quick line on who we should root for?
So root for Baylor on Wed?

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by totalloser on Feb 21, 2010 6:20 PM CST reply actions  

I'm saying this:

You probably won’t get tiebreakers over A&M AND Baylor, so root for A&M to beat Baylor. Then, root for Baylor to lose more games and root for Missouri to win more games.

"Missouri is not a good passing team. It's a great passing team."

by StopSpe on Feb 21, 2010 7:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Missouri is a good road team this year.

We definitely beat Iowa State. We obviously dominate Colorado and get Sutton, Stone, and Underwood playing time (YAY!). @KSU and vs KU could go either way.

KSU has played well and awful at home (do they show up like against Nebraska or like they did against Kansas).

Kansas will be 15-0 and Mizzou Arena will be at its loudest point of its brief existence.

I’m thinking we go 11-5 with our only loss to either KSU or KU. We don’t lose both. If we lose to KSU, we’ll take our anger out on KU fueled by the crowd (did you see what we did to confident Colorado after being upset by A&M?). I think we lose to KSU and beat KU, but it’s entirely possible we go 12-4.

"Missouri is not a good passing team. It's a great passing team."

by StopSpe on Feb 21, 2010 7:21 PM CST reply actions  

I don't agree with some stuff

we’ve been a better road team since the KU disaster, but a win at Iowa State is not definite at all. I’ll stick with the projected 10-6 final record for now, but a split in the KSU/ KU games is not out of the question at all.

If you watch Jaws backwards, it's about a shark that throws people up until they have to open a beach.

by ratherfantastic on Feb 21, 2010 9:15 PM CST up reply actions  

been thinking all day about this...

and I think we really just need to win 3 more games.
Kenpom is predicting 4 10-6 teams, based on the cumulative probabilities. We would need multiple breaks to wind up ahead of ATM and/or Baylor and have Texas not leapfrog us. Just don’t see it happening.

by ris-d on Feb 21, 2010 7:46 PM CST reply actions  

In order for Texas to be a problem they'd have to win out

which means Baylor has to win v. aTm, @OU, and @TT. Otherwise, we win the 3 way tiebreak with UT and aTm. And we win the 4 way tie with all 3 as well.

"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."

by Transmogrified Tiger on Feb 21, 2010 8:10 PM CST up reply actions  

3 way tiebreaker decides between the two divisional opponents first

In this case UT would have swept aTm, and then we beat UT. With the 4 way tiebreaker, UT would be 3-1 against aTm and BU, while the other two would be 2-2. Again, UT moves on for us to win that tiebreak.

"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."

by Transmogrified Tiger on Feb 21, 2010 9:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I really wouldn't mind...

Being the 4th or even 5th seed.

I’ll take a very beatable Nebraska team and then play ATM team, that excluding the 10 minute scoreless streak (it was 10 right?), mizzou should have beat.

That definitely looks better than havin to play UT or those Baptist Ballers. Although I say that MU beats Baylor by a bit on a nuetral court.

by KCTiger on Feb 21, 2010 7:50 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Actually it was the Worst. 13 Minutes. Ever.

Also, I think we are overlooking the fact that this game is in KC. The fanbase is much better than it was 2 years ago when we lost to Nebraska in the first round at the Sprint Center or in that early-season tournament where we played teams like Michigan State and Maryland. I’d expect a very good home-court advantage, obviously nowhere near what it is in Mizzou Arena, but obviously have more fans than any team besides Kansas.

"Missouri is not a good passing team. It's a great passing team."

by StopSpe on Feb 21, 2010 7:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind another shot at aTm

There’s still a part of me that wants no part of Baylor, though. That is a ruthlessly efficient machine on most nights.

by RPT on Feb 21, 2010 7:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think I'd mind playing Baylor

in their 2nd or 3rd game in as many days. They just don’t have the guard depth.

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"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."

by Transmogrified Tiger on Feb 21, 2010 8:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Playing

at Ferrell Center is pretty much playing at a neutral court.

"No regrets, that's my motto. That, and everybody wang chung tonight."

by CEW on Feb 21, 2010 8:39 PM CST up reply actions  

call me crazy

but i have a feeling that there is no doubt in my mind that were gonna beat KSU in bramliage or whatever you call it

by Tom T on Feb 21, 2010 8:13 PM CST reply actions  

Crazy.

Now with that out or the way, their “octagon of doom” isn’t as hard a place it seems, this year

by TheHamburglar on Feb 21, 2010 8:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I feel like

Minus AFH, Mizzou’s away losses haven’t been because of “difficult places to play”. ORU and Baylor don’t exactly have rabid fans.

"No regrets, that's my motto. That, and everybody wang chung tonight."

by CEW on Feb 21, 2010 8:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Baylor had the Bear Cage

est. 2005

Great moments are born from great opportunity.

by muwxman on Feb 21, 2010 9:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Octagon of Doom was fabulous for the Texas and KU games

and awful for the OK State game. They didn’t even try to give K-State some 6th man energy one the Cowboys made their run to win the game. I think it’ll be pretty tough when we play there considering that we beat them in the season opener.

If you watch Jaws backwards, it's about a shark that throws people up until they have to open a beach.

by ratherfantastic on Feb 21, 2010 9:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm hoping we would land in the OK State range

regarding the rabidness of their fan base. Something along the lines of what happened during the Nebraska game, where their fans aren’t going bat-shit crazy. I would imagine that would not be the case for our game, considering we are among the top of the Big XII North, and there is quite a hatred among us, Kansas, and K-State

by TheHamburglar on Feb 21, 2010 9:39 PM CST up reply actions  

On an off topic note:

I think the term “bat-shit crazy” is hilarious.

by KCTiger on Feb 21, 2010 9:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

That place is going to be bat shit crazy

They have the highest ranking since the 60s. Their fans are going to be out of their minds.

Mike doesn’t want that. He doesn’t need to go out and sign a bunch of McDonald’s All-Americans. He just needs to go find a few Burger King-type guys and he’ll get it done.

by tigers and chiefs fan on Feb 21, 2010 10:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

If the availability of tickets is any indication...

…the place is going to be bat-shit crazy on Saturday.

We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats

by TB on Feb 21, 2010 10:42 PM CST up reply actions  

The KSU game is the road trip for Zou Crew

Great moments are born from great opportunity.

by muwxman on Feb 21, 2010 11:07 PM CST reply actions  

that is awesome

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Feb 22, 2010 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm going...

Now that I know I will have a little backing for the game I can get after the ’Cats in their building…

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by mizzoufan1 on Feb 24, 2010 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

what if

the pokes beat A&M this Saturday

by Tom T on Feb 22, 2010 8:55 AM CST reply actions  

You guys in MO have it lucky

im comin all the way from upstate NY

by Tom T on Feb 22, 2010 8:57 AM CST reply actions  

The race is for third....

Let’s be real. Mizzou has no real chance in Manhattan.

Last year a much weaker Kansas State team absolutely thrashed a much stronger Mizzou team in Manhattan, after getting whipped in Columbia. This year K-State lost a toss-up in Columbia (their only conference road loss). A Mizzou win in Manhattan would be shocking.

Mizzou’s had a nice run, but there’s clear separation between #2 and #3 right now, especially considering the way K-State manhandled A&M.

KSU stands a much better chance of winning in Lawrence than Mizzou does in Columbia. That’s the most compelling game left on the schedule.

by bcmoore on Feb 22, 2010 9:58 AM CST reply actions  

You posting from an alternate universe?

“No chance” where Nebraska almost won?

A “much better chance of winning in Lawrence than Mizzou does in Columbia”? Because KSU reguarly wins there and kU never loses @ Mizzou?

by Mac6uffin on Feb 22, 2010 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Not sure if it's no chance in Manhattan

the great thing about playing KSU is that they play an uptempo style with not a huge post presence, which is what Mizzou feeds off of.

KSU doesn’t break the press as well as (the only other team that has) KU, and if shots are falling Mizzou does have a chance. Not a good chance, but a chance none the less.

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Feb 22, 2010 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

K-State beat aTm

but Mizzou managed to win v. OSU.

Mizzou shouldn’t be expecting a win by any stretch of the imagination, but considering they’ve already beat KSU once this year(without shooting lights out), and the Octagon of Doom hasn’t been insurmountable(4-2 in conference), I hardly think it’s foolish to think that Mizzou has a chance to win.

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"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."

by Transmogrified Tiger on Feb 22, 2010 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

What?

“KSU stands a much better chance of winning in Lawrence than Mizzou does in Columbia. That’s the most compelling game left on the schedule.”

False. So false.

"No regrets, that's my motto. That, and everybody wang chung tonight."

by CEW on Feb 22, 2010 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

really?

you think k-state has a better chance of winning ON THE ROAD against kU (when they’ve ALREADY lost at home to them) then mizzou does of beating kU AT HOME where they’ve already beat k-state?

lol

by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 22, 2010 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

We lost to KSU before beating them in Columbia

But I think we’ll lose as well.

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by solidpit on Feb 22, 2010 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

interesting

They give no faith to aTm succeeding on the road the rest of the way. Against ISU and OU, I find that to be a bit weak

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by Ausgiano on Feb 22, 2010 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Translation

Have you beaten Texas? Then you’re Tier 1. aTm hasn’t done that, KU, Mizzou, KSU, and Baylor have.

"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."

by Transmogrified Tiger on Feb 22, 2010 12:57 PM CST reply actions  

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