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Big game Saturday night, to say the least.  The road to second place in the conference goes through The Octagon.  Leave your trifecta in comments!  And hey ... with Safford out of the running, the possible Trifecta combinations decrease ... so there's that.

What Happened Last Time

Powered by clutch shots from Marcus Denmon and Zaire Taylor, and the party-startingest dunk ever from Laurence Bowers, Mizzou beat K-State, 74-68 in both teams' first conference game of the season.  From the Study Hall piece following the game:

Everything That's Good About Big 12 Basketball

The intensity was palpable.  It felt like a late-February game in early-January, and two teams with a ton of character and athleticism threw their bodies around all afternoon (and I mean all afternoon).  It was intense even through all the whistles, and depending on who you believe, it either evened up a century-old series at 115-115, or it gave Mizzou a 116-114 lead (sheesh, does Mizzou agree with anybody about any series?).  These two teams have been duking it out forever, and this battle carried some weight from start to finish.

Everything That's Bad About Big 12 Basketball

Let's see ... 56 fouls, 73 free throws, 2.5 hours long.  It was an absolute officiating disaster.  Look, I know you can't have teams tackling each other out there, and as I mentioned in my preview, with two teams that toe the line as much as possible to see what they can get away with in terms of physical play, you're obviously going to have more fouls than a game with two teams playing zone defense and shooting a ton of 3's.  I get it.  But this was beyond ridiculous.  And worse, it could hurt both of these teams later on.  Remember in the late-1990s, when Kansas was mired in a series of upset losses in the NCAA tournament?  Every year, they would get used to Big 12 games with insane amounts of whistles, and they would get to the tourney and face a physical team, and when they expected whistles to come, there were no whistles.  In the postseason, you have to go out and win games, and there aren't fouls called every 43 seconds (seriously, there was a foul called every FORTY-THREE SECONDS).  And this type of crap does nothing but hurt the postseason iterations of these two teams.

...

K-State is a team that wins games by killing you in two areas -- getting to the line a ton and grabbing an insane amount of offensive rebounds.  When all was said and done, Mizzou had shot 43 free throws to K-State's 30, and they had outrebounded the Wildcats, both in terms of overall rebounds (+5) and expected rebounds (+2).  Amid the whistles, this was a wonderful performance against a big, super-physical team, and while I came away from the game believing that K-State truly is a strong, athletic, dangerous team (I hadn't seen them all season, so I couldn't verify with my own eyes), Mizzou was better at the things that make K-State good.

That's a good thing, as KSU almost beat Mizzou at Mizzou's game, forcing 20 turnovers and limiting Mizzou to a mediocre-at-best 1.00 BCI.

...

Be very careful, Marcus Denmon and Laurence Bowers.  One game into the conference season, you have set the bar VERY high.  A combined 8-for-13 shooting, 8-for-12 from the FT line (3-for-4 down the stretch), 9 rebounds (6 offensive), 2 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks, and RIDICULOUSLY clutch play in the last five minutes.  Denmon's two 3's tied the game, and his two steals gave Mizzou the lead, then Bowers' gutty rebound of J.T. Tiller's missed free throw, two clutch free throws, and party-starting dunk (seriously, considering the circumstances, that has to be considered the best dunk of his career ... and that's saying something pretty lofty) iced the win.  They were unbelievable down the stretch, and if they do that too much, we'll come to expect it.

K-State is the #1 foul-drawing team in the country, which isn't a lovely thought considering Mizzou is down one Justin Safford, but chances are the whistles will go both ways if Mizzou is as aggressive in attacking the basket as they have recently (and as they were the first time around).  In Manhattan, though, KSU is likely to get more calls than they did last time, and if Mizzou wants to have a chance, they'll have to win the BCI battle by a decent amount this time around.

KSU's Season Since Last We Saw Them: 10-2

  • KenPom's Ranking in use here
    #30 Texas A&M (W, 88-65)
    at #94 Colorado (W, 87-81)
    #10 Texas (W, 71-62)
    #49 Oklahoma State (L, 69-73)
    at #17 Baylor (W, 76-74)
    #2 Kansas (L, 79-81, OT)
    at #91 Nebraska (W, 76-57)
    at #81 Iowa State (W, 79-75)
    #94 Colorado (W, 68-51)
    #91 Nebraska (W, 91-87)
    at #95 Oklahoma (W, 83-68)
    at #83 Texas Tech (W, 83-64)

Star-divide

The Transitive Property really isn't tremendously useful, but considering how many common opponents Mizzou and K-State have had since the last time they played, it might be interesting to take a look at common opponents.  The "Diff." column signifies the difference between KSU's scoring margin and Mizzou's.

K-State Mizzou Diff.
at Kansas N/A L, 65-84 N/A
Kansas L, 79-81 N/A N/A
at Nebraska W, 76-57 W, 74-59 KSU +4
Nebraska W, 91-87 W, 70-53 MU +13
at Iowa State W, 79-75 N/A N/A
Iowa State N/A W, 65-56 N/A
at Colorado W, 87-81 W, 84-66 MU +12
Colorado W, 68-51 W, 92-63 MU +12
Texas A&M W, 88-65 L, 74-77 KSU +26
at Texas Tech W, 83-64 W, 94-89 KSU +14
at Baylor W, 76-74 L, 62-64 KSU +4
at Oklahoma W, 83-68 L, 61-66 KSU +20
Oklahoma State L, 69-73 W, 95-80 MU +19
Texas W, 71-62 W, 82-77 KSU +4

 

That's a difference of about 1.6 in KSU's favor over the ten games these teams have in common, which ... well, that sounds about right, doesn't it?  K-State is one game better in the standings, after all.  Each team's last five games are in boldface.  Both teams appear to be peaking at the moment; they're 9-1 in their last ten combined games, with the only loss being a last-second Mizzou defeat at the hands of Baylor.  Both have lost games to lesser teams -- Mizzou at Oklahoma, K-State at home to Oklahoma State -- but that was a while ago.

 

KSU Since Last We Saw Them

KSU Opp
Points Per Minute
1.94 1.74
Points Per Possession (PPP)
1.10 0.99
Points Per Shot (PPS)
1.35 1.28
2-PT FG% 49.3% 46.0%
3-PT FG% 36.0% 33.7%
FT% 67.7% 66.0%
True Shooting % 55.5% 52.4%
KSU Opp
Assists/Gm 13.8 12.2
Steals/Gm 6.9 7.6
Turnovers/Gm 15.2 16.8
Ball Control Index
(Assists + Steals) / TO
1.37 1.18
KSU Opp
Expected Offensive Rebounds/Gm 12.8 12.8
Offensive Rebounds/Gm 14.7 12.5
Difference +1.9 -0.3


Ken Pomeroy Stats

KSU Offense vs MU Defense Ranks
KSU Offense MU Defense Advantage
Efficiency 12 10 Push
Effective FG% 50 36 Push
Turnover % 218 2 MU Big
Off. Reb. % 5 328 KSU Big
FTA/FGA 1 195 KSU Big
MU Offense vs KSU Defense Ranks
MU Offense KSU Defense Advantage
Efficiency 28 21 Push
Effective FG% 58 65 Push
Turnover % 41 19 KSU
Off. Reb. % 110 215 MU Big
FTA/FGA 233 320 MU


K-State is a damn good defensive team and a great offensive one.  They shoot well, but it's the sheer number of free throws they end up with that puts them over the top.  If Mike Anderson doesn't trust John Underwood much yet, I could see Mizzou playing a lot of zone to cut down on the fouls.  Of course, zone D leads to offensive rebounds, and K-State already holds a ridiculous advantage in that category, so that might not pay off.  My hope: Mizzou gets as much as they can out of Steve Moore and Underwood (a combined 25 minutes would be great but rather unexpected ... I expect Moore to get into foul trouble pretty quickly) and hope that they hold their own on the boards like they did at Mizzou Arena.  If they get into foul trouble, particularly in the front court, then they'll obviously have to do whatever they've got to do -- zone or otherwise.

KSU Player Stats Since Last We Saw Them

We're going to add a bit to the table below: we're going to compare the Adj. GS/Min. total below to what it was in my preview for the first MU-KSU game.  In the per-minute column below, you'll find their recent output next to their output leading to the beginning of conference play (in parentheses).

Player AdjGS*/Gm GmSc/Min
(Last Time)
Line
Jacob Pullen (6'0, 200, Jr.) 15.9 0.48 (0.65) 33.2 MPG, 17.5 PPG (37.7% FG, 33.3% 3PT), 3.9 APG, 2.5 RPG, 1.9 SPG, 3.1 TOPG
Denis Clemente (6'1, 175, Sr.) 15.6 0.45 (0.37) 34.8 MPG, 18.0 PPG (40.6% FG, 38.2% 3PT), 4.0 APG, 2.2 TOPG
Curtis Kelly (6'8, 250, Jr.) 12.1 0.51 (0.56) 23.7 MPG, 11.0 PPG (55.9% FG), 6.5 RPG, 1.2 APG, 3.1 TOPG
Jamar Samuels (6'7, 215, So.) 11.4 0.49 (0.49) 23.3 MPG, 11.7 PPG (57.9% FG), 5.4 RPG, 1.5 TOPG
Dominique Sutton (6'5, 210, Jr.) 8.9 0.40 (0.41) 22.2 MPG, 7.5 PPG (52.4% FG), 4.9 RPG, 2.0 APG, 1.6 TOPG
Rodney McGruder (6'4, 205, Fr.) 5.1 0.34 (0.52) 15.2 MPG, 4.1 PPG (48.7% FG), 3.6 RPG
Luis Colon (6'10, 265, Sr.) 2.6 0.17 (0.35) 15.5 MPG, 3.0 PPG (42.1% FG), 3.5 RPG
Martavious Irving (6'1, 209, Fr.) 1.6 0.16 (0.26) 9.8 MPG, 1.4 PPG (27.8% FG)
Jordan Henriquez (7'0, 245, Fr.) 1.4 0.15 (0.30) 9.4 MPG, 1.4 PPG (35.7% FG), 2.1 RPG
Wally Judge (6'9, 248, Fr.) 0.4 0.05 (0.24) 7.9 MPG, 1.5 PPG (27.8% FG), 1.7 RPG
Chris Merriewether (6'3, 210, Sr.) 1.2 0.15 (0.02) 8.0 MPG, 1.3 PPG (42.9% FG), 1.4 RPG
Victor Ojeleye (6'8, 225, So.) 2.5 0.42 (0.15) 29 minutes
Nick Russell (6'4, 200, Fr.) -0.1 -0.02 (0.09) 28 minutes

* AdjGS = a take-off of the Game Score metric (definition here) accepted by a lot of basketball stat nerds.  It redistributes a team's points based not only on points scored, but also by giving credit for assists, rebounds (offensive & defensive), steals, blocks, turnovers and fouls.  It is a stat intended to determine who had the biggest overall impact on the game itself, instead of just how many balls a player put through a basket.

  • Fun fact: since the last time MU and KSU met, KSU has taken 253 3-pointers ... 198 of them have come from Clemente (102) and Pullen (96).  Only two others take even 1.0 per game -- Samuels (1.3 attempts per game) and McGruder (1.2).  No matter how big and strong KSU's frontcourt is, they still live and die by the FIFTEEN 3's per game that these two take.  If they make ten of those, it's over.  If they make 4-5, teams will have a chance against them.
  • Players who have improved from the last preview to this one: Clemente (+0.08 AdjGS/min), Merriewether (+0.13).
  • Players who are about the same: Samuels (0.00), Sutton (-0.01), Kelly (-0.05).
  • Players whose stats have regressed: Irving (-0.10), Henriquez (-0.15), Pullen (-0.17), McGruder (-0.18), Colon (-0.18), Judge (-0.19).
  • Now, to be sure, you would expect most players to regress since last time because ... well, their schedule has gotten a lot harder in conference play.  It's not a surprise that six players have regressed while two have improved.  It's also not a surprise that the two players who have improved are seniors (granted, Merriewether is a minor contributor, but still), while all four freshman contributors have regressed.  You would expect that.
  • Pullen was riding a serious hot streak when conference play started, and he's regressed to merely really good instead of great during conference play.  Of course, I shouldn't tell that to Texas Tech fans, who saw Pullen go for 28 points and five assists against them on Tuesday night.  Meanwhile...
  • ...Clemente is hot.  Really hot.  Since the loss to Kansas, here is Clemente's stat line:

    Denis Clemente (last six games): 33.5 MPG, 20.8 PPG (46.2% FG, 46.2% 3PT, 94.4% FT), 4.5 APG, 1.8 TOPG

    He took a stupid shot at a key time against Kansas, and ever since then, there really hasn't been any such thing as a stupid shot.  Anything is within range right now.

Keys to the Game

These are exactly the same as the keys to the last KSU game, as I think they're still 100% relevant.

  1. The Zebras. Last time around at Mizzou Arena, Tom O'Neill, Terry Davis and Andrew Walton were the three most dominant people on the court (especially Walton), calling 56 fouls and creating 73 free throw attempts.  Mizzou guards Kim English and Mike Dixon were both limited by foul trouble, as was Laurence Bowers; meanwhile, FOUR KSU front-courters (Curtis Kelly, Jamar Samuels, Wally Judge and Luis Colon) had at least four fouls, as did Chris Merriewether.  It was brutal.

    These two teams always test the line of what is and isn't a foul, and technically you probably could call a foul on every single possession when they're on the court.  But that doesn't mean you should try to do that.  As with last time, how this game is called will be a huge factor.  If Mizzou guards are allowed to be a little more physical, it will help them; same with KSU's forwards.  Plus, with Mizzou's sudden lack of frontcourt depth (it wasn't exactly a strength before Safford's injury), foul trouble could kill them.

  2. Who Gets Hot?. In his last six games, Kim English is 11-for-22 from the 3-point line.  In his last two games, Marcus Denmon is 7-for-11.  In his last six games, Denis Clemente is 24-for-52.  Jacob Pullen hasn't been as hot recently but has made at least six 3's in a game four times this year and made three of six against Tech.  If any of them gets hot, the game swings wildly in favor of their team.

    An important note: Mizzou has been less reliant on the 3-ball recently, shooting 20 or fewer in each of their last six games.  They have averaged 16.3 3-point attempts in that time (27% of their overall shots), making 41% of them; the six games before that, they averaged 25.3 3-point attempts (39% of their overall shots), making just 36% of them.  However, with one of their primary 2-point shooters (Safford) out, and with KSU's overall size advantage, there's a chance that Mizzou will end up having to rely on the 3-ball a bit more.  We'll see.  If Mizzou is able to drive well, as they have in recent games, 3's might come open.  And if they hit those 3's, they'll have a chance to win.  If they don't know where to go with the ball and start pulling up for 21-footers, they'll lose by 20.  (Unless they go in.)

  3. R-E-B-O-U-N-D. The most remarkable aspect of the first MU-KSU game was that Mizzou more than held their own on the glass.  As you see above, KSU is the #5 offensive rebounding team in the country; last time around, Mizzou countered KSU's second chances with second chances of their own, and honestly, without Safford, this is one area where Mizzou's game won't suffer.  Safford and Ramsey average roughly the same number of rebounds per minute, with Ramsey a little better on offense, Safford a hair better on defense.  Meanwhile, Steve Moore is almost nonexistent on the offensive glass, but in conference play he has been the best per-minute defensive rebounder on the team, edging out Laurence Bowers.  And John Underwood might actually be better than Moore in that regard (and that regard only).  Mizzou might be a hair worse on the offensive glass, but their defensive rebounding could see improvement in Safford's absence.

    If Mizzou can prevent KSU from getting as many second chances as they're used to, not only will KSU get to the line a bit less (no hacks after offensive boards), but they'll be that much more reliant on hot shooting to win.  KSU's a good shooting team, but they're a great overall offensive team because of free throws and second chances.  Keeping KSU off the glass would clearly limit them in both of their strongest areas.

Prediction

If KSU wins ... it will probably be a lot like Mizzou's last two trips to Manhattan.  Last year, Mizzou fell down 13-6 in the game's first seven minutes; the year before, they were down 12-5 after five minutes.  (In that game, Mizzou clawed back to cut the lead to 19-18 ... then KSU went on a 22-1 run.)  It seems that most of the positive effect The Octagon has on Mizzou, it comes in the game's opening minutes.  If Mizzou can survive the first half, then their second half strengths could prevail -- in six conference road games, they've won the second half/overtime five times.  But a KSU win is most likely set up by an early blitz that gives them a cushion; when Mizzou has to take more chances to come back, KSU makes them pay and ends up winning 84-71.

If Mizzou wins ... they play to a draw in the first half, make the crowd tense up, and make the plays down the stretch.  It's predictable, but it's true.  Going back to the boxing analogy, if they can fight to a draw in the first three rounds, they'll be doing better than they were the last couple of trips to Manhattan.  (Actually, their last four trips to the state of Kansas, period, have seen them take on huge first-half deficits, whether it's KU or KSU.)  So Mizzou keeps KSU (somewhat) off the glass, the game is within about 3-4 points either way at halftime, and Mizzou executes better in the final minutes.  Zaire Taylor or Marcus Denmon probably makes a huge shot near the end (crazy, I know), and Mizzou wins 79-76.

Never bet against a streak, right?  Mizzou's state of Kansas streak has not been pretty (not that I can blame them -- I get flustered when I'm in that state too), and until they prove otherwise, I kind of have to think it will continue.  I still love that Mizzou is peaking at the right time of the season, but I think we're probably due a step backwards.  I'm quietly optimistic heading into Saturday, but I'm also realistic.  Mizzou could win ... but a KSU win is still more likely.  Kansas State 84, Mizzou 71.  If it's tied after 12 minutes, I reserve the right to change my mind.

 

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By the way ... a clarification: in a post I was otherwise pretty proud of -- Sunday's "How will the Big 12 play out?" post -- I snuck in an unprompted (and unexplained) jab at K-State right at the beginning, saying "For all the (90% justifiable) hype Kansas State has received this season, they still have quite a bit of work to do to lock up the tournament's 2-seed."  I should explain the "90% justifiable" thing.

1) Part of it came at the end of the above sentence -- it's been an assumption for a while that K-State was running away with the 2-seed in the conference, which has been a bit annoying to the insecure Mizzou fan in me.  They spent the first half of conference play tied with Mizzou in the standings and have only been able to gain a game on them over their hot last three weeks.  But while K-State is getting "OMG THEY COULD BE A 1-SEED IN THE NCAA'S" treatment at the moment, Mizzou can't even grab many Top 25 votes despite being one win away from a second-place tie (in which they would own the tie-breaker).  The whiny, bitter fan inside of me (I usually keep it tamped down pretty far) is annoyed with that.

2) The whiny, insecure fan in me is also getting a little tired of the "OCTAGON OF DOOOOOOOOOOOM" meme.  This is a funny thing to say considering a) Mizzou's gotten their doors blown off in each of their last two trips there, and b) I fully acknowledge that a third straight blowout is conceivable -- I'm even somewhat predicting it above.  But the DOOOOOOOM meme caught on because of two specific games: a loss to Kansas and a 9-point win over a Texas team about to collapse.  I feel the urge to defend Mizzou Arena, where Mizzou has lost one game in two seasons (KSU has lost five at home in that time), beat Kansas in their last appearance there, and defeated Texas by almost the same margin.

Again, I fully acknowledge that this is just bitter, whiny, insecure fan-speak, and I probably should have let the comment disappear (since few probably noticed it in the first place).  But I'm wordy, and I have the tendency to over-explain myself.  So there you go.

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Superfecta

Bowers
Denmon
English
Ramsey

by MULuke on Feb 26, 2010 9:15 AM CST reply actions  

Trifecta

Bowers
Taylor
Denmon

by Team on Feb 26, 2010 9:20 AM CST reply actions  

Winning trifecta right here

Soul Crusher
Coffee
Big Keith

by Matt32 on Feb 26, 2010 9:21 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Trifecta

Denmon
Bowers
Dixon

If the trifecta picks keep failing, maybe the RMN race book needs to start offering some exacta or quinella options. I realize that offering anything with the letters “q-u-i-n” in it to Mizzou fans is a risky proposition, though…

by apr67d on Feb 26, 2010 9:30 AM CST reply actions  

Trifecta of Peril

But be careful, sometimes you can’t face the peril, because it’s too perilous.

Ramsey (he’s in the zone)
Soul Crusher
Justifiably Tremendous.

Formerly known as Mizzou Grad

http://twitter.com/Ausgiano

by Ausgiano on Feb 26, 2010 9:32 AM CST reply actions  

Ramsey (Going to have to if we want to win)
English
Bowers

by MUTIGERS86 on Feb 26, 2010 9:51 AM CST reply actions  

I intend to win on a technicality

BOXED TRIFECTA
Denmon
Ramsey
English

Even Rocky had a montage.

by Other Side of the Pillow on Feb 26, 2010 10:01 AM CST reply actions  

The eleventy-billion dollar trifecta

Moore
Ramsey
Taylor

Also, notice that K-State’s losses at home have come to teams that like to play like Mizzou – runrunrun (not to mention by mentioning their loss at MU). I think we have a better chance than most people think.

by Icknae on Feb 26, 2010 10:29 AM CST reply actions  

Trifecta

Taylor
Bowers
Denmon

"Wherever you go, there you are" - Buckaroo Bonzai

by brik on Feb 26, 2010 10:32 AM CST reply actions  

Trifecta

Party Starter
Baltimore Gym Rat
Keef

by AlaTiger on Feb 26, 2010 10:34 AM CST reply actions  

T-T-T-Trifecta

Denmon
Kimmeh
Bowers

La Forza Mizzou!

by groggydog on Feb 26, 2010 11:01 AM CST reply actions  

This trifecta is xxplosive

Dixon
Ramsey
English

west coast s**t.

Chicago White Sox Examiner — IT'S A JEEP THING YOU WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND

by UribeAuction on Feb 26, 2010 11:03 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Trifecta

English
Ramsey
Denmon

by hane5 on Feb 26, 2010 11:09 AM CST reply actions  

3fecta

English
Bowers
Dixon

Crossing fingers.

If the Octagon of Doom is what we enter, do we need a Mad Max type to get us out?

- .... .- - .----. ... / .-- .... .- - / ... .... . / ... .- .. -..

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Feb 26, 2010 11:14 AM CST reply actions  

3fecta

English
Bowers
and…. oh… I’m saying jesus goes beserk.

Glory glory Man United, AND the other MU, AAAAnd the Leafs. I think I need a drink now.

by Wan Ihite on Feb 26, 2010 11:27 AM CST reply actions  

Try living in Kansas City

The K-Staters are rivaling the Beaks in their obnoxiousness. And forget sports radio, they slobber all over K-State & KU and nothing for our boys.

And you do an excellent job of keeping your insecure fan voice out of your work.

Myfecta:

Ramsey
English
Taylor

Mike doesn’t want that. He doesn’t need to go out and sign a bunch of McDonald’s All-Americans. He just needs to go find a few Burger King-type guys and he’ll get it done.

by tigers and chiefs fan on Feb 26, 2010 11:35 AM CST reply actions  

trifecta

english
ramsey
bowers

capital letters suck.

by soccerfreak on Feb 26, 2010 11:38 AM CST reply actions  

Trifecta

English
Denmon
Taylor

"As loud as the ovations are for big threes or for thunderous dunks, some of the biggest roars you hear at Mizzou Arena these days are for steals, shot clock violations, and forcing opponents into timeouts in their own backcourt. Just as Anderson has crafted himself a team built on defensive intensity, he's built himself a fan base that echoes that same value system." -

by tigr on Feb 26, 2010 11:47 AM CST reply actions  

Tryfecta

English
Denmon
Bowers

"No regrets, that's my motto. That, and everybody wang chung tonight."

by CEW on Feb 26, 2010 11:55 AM CST reply actions  

Trifecta of DOOOOOooooom

(As in doomed to fail)

With JS hobbled, I say we turn into a 3 point machine, for better or worse, and if the bombs find their targets, we might even win with a little breathing room. Hence this perimeter-focused myth-fecta:

Denmon
English
Dixon

Offensive rebounds, be damned!

Bet me!

by TigerBartender on Feb 26, 2010 11:58 AM CST reply actions  

About the 90% thing...

I agree the hype is a little over the top. I’m sure many of you noticed, I think during the Colorado game (maybe not, I have no idea really), but an announcer uttered something like “Some people around the conference think K-State is the Big-12 team that could go deepest in the tourney.”
I mean, come on! K-State is really, really good, but how can you even consider that a valid opinion? It’s ridiculous. I don’t get it.
Anyway, just sharing in your sorta-sibling rivalry competing with other teams for the media’s affection.

Trifecta:
Denmon
Dixon
English

With you TigerBartender.

by ris-d on Feb 26, 2010 12:05 PM CST reply actions  

"Some" are apparently forgetting that KU is part of the Big 12. :-)

And I mean…I clearly think KSU is pretty good — I had them as a 2-seed in my bracket, and I’ll argue with anybody who has them a 3. But the rhetoric is getting a bit out of control.

by Bill C. on Feb 26, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't want to talk up

K-State much… but see if any of these characteristics sound familiar:

1) Excellent front court talent (with two forwards averaging above 11 ppg)
2) Capable and talented backup forwards
3) Premier guard play
4) Tremendous defence
5) Likes to play with pace

Remind you of anyone?

Even Rocky had a montage.

by Other Side of the Pillow on Feb 26, 2010 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Yea, I dont dislike KSU, only when they play us

but yea KSU reminds me of Mizzou of course. I think it will be a good game. We are beginning to click, which is good. Regardless of the outcome, we are playing Mizzou basketball and remember all it takes is someone in march to get on a roll and win 6 consecutive games….

Great moments are born from great opportunity.

by muwxman on Feb 26, 2010 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I was more

meaning to tie on last year’s Tigers to this year’s kSU— both of which were/are not as talented as other Big 12 schools on paper— yet as we know, the Tigers went the farthest into the NCAAs last year. We made it on the reasons listed above, and there is no reason to think that it’s possible that kSU could this year. :) I will, someday, learn to use the block quote function :)

Even Rocky had a montage.

by Other Side of the Pillow on Feb 26, 2010 7:38 PM CST up reply actions  

hhhmmmmmmmmmm.......interesting

It always seem to me that people forget that Mizzou and out K-State, K-State.

Not that the will, but they can.

IT’S CUMULATIVE!

(drink)

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Feb 26, 2010 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

full of fail right there

“Mizzou can out K-State, K-State”

“Not that they will…

Fridays man.

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Feb 26, 2010 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

it's important to drink...

AFTER you’ve posted your comment (and previewed)

Formerly known as Mizzou Grad

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by Ausgiano on Feb 26, 2010 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I always get the sequence messed up!

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Feb 26, 2010 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

What gets me

is that on a resume basis, there isn’t a ton separating Mizzou and K-State. Certainly not enough that K-State would have a right to a better seed if they were to lose tomorrow and end up tied with us. We just should’ve beaten Texas earlier, I guess.

As for the trifecta, gimme

English
Bowers
Ramsey

"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."

by Transmogrified Tiger on Feb 26, 2010 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

or held on to beat OU. Or aTm

or not lost to Oral Roberts.

If we hold for even two of those three, and we’re sitting at 23-5 while K-State is at 23-4, the conversation is very different. As it is, they’re 23-4 and we’re 21-7. 3 extra defeats is going to matter, regardless. Make one of the losses a bad loss and add two coulda-shoulda-woulda type losses, and they do have a resume edge on us. Don’t get me wrong— I’m a HUGE Tiger fan… and we get disrespected a lot. I’m just not feeling that when you look at K-State and MU together at this point that this is one of those times.

Even Rocky had a montage.

by Other Side of the Pillow on Feb 26, 2010 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

10 points

is the difference between us beating ou, baylor, and tamu, that would put us at 24-3 and 12-1 in conference. i believe we should have won every one of those games. sure the oral roberts game hurts us in regards to seeding but nobody even watched that game on the national level and im not gonna go into because it was very painful. im more concerned about us having 4 conference losses with kstate and ku still to play

by dhartley987 on Feb 27, 2010 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

In all, though...

…we’re 4-5 in games decided by 6 points or less. Extend the margin to 7, and we’re 4-6. That means we’ve benefited from close wins almost as much as we’ve been hurt by close losses.

by Bill C. on Feb 27, 2010 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

english, denmon, ramsey

Nobody calls me Lebowski. You got the wrong guy. I'm the Dude, man

by threadkiller on Feb 26, 2010 12:24 PM CST reply actions  

Trifecta

Bowers
Demon
Ramsey

Great moments are born from great opportunity.

by muwxman on Feb 26, 2010 12:46 PM CST reply actions  

By the way...

I officially put the Unholy Alliance on suspension today.

by RPT on Feb 26, 2010 1:12 PM CST reply actions  

YESSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So when do they dance back? That’s what you do after you’ve been served right?

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Feb 26, 2010 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

We have waived service of process

Our Answer will stand for itself.

We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats

by TB on Feb 26, 2010 11:09 PM CST up reply actions  

trifecta

Soul Crusher
Party Starter
Lord Baltimore

by darklighter09 on Feb 26, 2010 1:23 PM CST reply actions  

Finally remebering to do this.

First trifecta picks.

Ramsey
Denmon
Taylor

"Safety!! Ballgame!! BINGO!!!" - Mike Kelly

by LSSportsFan on Feb 26, 2010 1:41 PM CST reply actions  

Love the sig

Mike doesn’t want that. He doesn’t need to go out and sign a bunch of McDonald’s All-Americans. He just needs to go find a few Burger King-type guys and he’ll get it done.

by tigers and chiefs fan on Feb 26, 2010 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Trifecta

Bowers
English
Taylor

"They’ve taken the Illini to the woodshed."
-Steve Lavin on Mizzou v. Illinois

by Jason Brynsvold on Feb 26, 2010 1:48 PM CST reply actions  

My Trifecta of Players that Will Do really really Well and also Includes random capitilization Which Is reall Cool.

1) Marcus Denmon
2) Kim English
3) Zaire Taylor

"Missouri is not a good passing team. It's a great passing team."

by StopSpe on Feb 26, 2010 2:48 PM CST reply actions  

With trust or not in Underwood.....

PLAY THE ZONE

Vs. Texas the zone worked beautifully… our guys are the best at trapping and having active hands. The zone effectively shut done Texas’s big men

by Andrews989 on Feb 26, 2010 2:54 PM CST reply actions  

zone

i think i’m feeling the zone too although depending on how its executed i reserve the right to change my mind. I mean, having only two guys on the perimeter to cover should make the zone effective. now if we end up over pursuing the guys on the wings they are able to swing the ball to an open pullen or clemente i will be very unhappy. its seems our guards have a lack of awareness when it comes to who doesn’t have the ball. at times, expecially in the beginning of games, we seem to let the other teams best shooter get open on the perimeter for a good look (see anderson, ryan) .

the stats show that pullen and clemente are the only outside threats they should be focusing on but i have a feeling it won’t sink in till its 13-4.

"Sorry about him, he's dealing with being an inker. " - Chasing Amy

by FutureMan on Feb 26, 2010 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Trifecta....

1) Denmon
2) Bowers
3) Dixon

by Andrews989 on Feb 26, 2010 2:55 PM CST reply actions  

Trifecta

Bowers
Denmon
Tiller

If you watch Jaws backwards, it's about a shark that throws people up until they have to open a beach.

by ratherfantastic on Feb 26, 2010 3:18 PM CST reply actions  

trifecta

denmon
ramsey
taylor

"Sorry about him, he's dealing with being an inker. " - Chasing Amy

by FutureMan on Feb 26, 2010 3:30 PM CST reply actions  

Trifecta: the nickname version

Party Starter
Coffee
Demoney Soul Crusher

"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."

by sirensofsilence on Feb 26, 2010 6:47 PM CST reply actions  

Err Denmoney

haha, humorous typo there. It’s really easy to write Demon instead of Denmon.

"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."

by sirensofsilence on Feb 26, 2010 6:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Trifecta

Denmon
Bowers
Moore…before the game, while washing his hands after going to the bathroom, moore will look into the mirror and, due to the goggles, mistake himself for james worthy and play accordingly

by njs24 on Feb 26, 2010 7:13 PM CST reply actions  

trifecta

ramsey
taylor
tiller

by Tom T on Feb 26, 2010 7:45 PM CST reply actions  

The Same Old Trifecta

Denmon
Kimmeh
Bowers

born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red

by totalloser on Feb 26, 2010 8:26 PM CST reply actions  

So you want a trifecta?

I’ll go with

Ramsey
English
Zaire

by shaffe on Feb 26, 2010 10:05 PM CST reply actions  

Fecta

Denmon
English
Bowers

"This looks like it could be gravy."
-Carl the Groundskeeper, Caddyshack

by MissouriMarine on Feb 27, 2010 12:44 AM CST reply actions  

ze trifector

Coffee
Soul-crushin denmoney
Party mcstarter

by kevinf on Feb 27, 2010 11:03 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Anyone knows of a live stream for this game?

It’s not on channelsurfing.net

I am considering changing to satellite so that I can get ESPNU. I am not thrilled with what Charter is giving me.

born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red

by totalloser on Feb 27, 2010 12:30 PM CST reply actions  

Gotcha

I am just not super pleased with my Charter bundle. The service is not terrible, but I have signal strength problems occasionally because of the attenuation due to the long driveway. If I do switch to satellite, then I would definitely get the sports pack.

born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red

by totalloser on Feb 27, 2010 2:19 PM CST up reply actions  

trifects

Ramsey
Taylor
Tiller

Pigskin Punditry
"Put. That coffee. Down. Coffee is for closers." ~ Blake (Alec Baldwin), Glengarry Glen Ross

by D-Sing on Feb 27, 2010 6:26 PM CST reply actions  

or Trifecta

because it;s always fun trying to type with an energetic 2 and a 1/2 yr old crawling into your lap.

Pigskin Punditry
"Put. That coffee. Down. Coffee is for closers." ~ Blake (Alec Baldwin), Glengarry Glen Ross

by D-Sing on Feb 27, 2010 6:27 PM CST up reply actions  

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