Study Hall: Mizzou vs Colorado -- The Bounceback

Your trifecta: Denmon-English-Ramsey. Your winner: nobody. We've had one winner in four games. Try harder, people!
Mizzou 84, Colorado 66
| Mizzou |
CU | |
| Points Per Minute |
2.10 | 1.65 |
| Points Per Possession (PPP) |
1.16 | 0.91 |
| Points Per Shot (PPS) |
1.53 | 1.18 |
| 2-PT FG% | 51.4% | 35.7% |
| 3-PT FG% | 44.4% | 35.7% |
| FT% | 81.5% | 77.8% |
| True Shooting % | 62.8% | 48.6% |
| Mizzou | CU | |
| Assists | 20 | 11 |
| Steals | 11 | 11 |
| Turnovers | 16 | 16 |
| Ball Control Index (BCI) (Assists + Steals) / TO |
1.94 | 1.38 |
| Mizzou | CU | |
| Expected Offensive Rebounds | 11 | 14 |
| Offensive Rebounds | 9 | 11 |
| Difference | -2 | -3 |
Let's just say...
...that anytime Mizzou shoots over 40% from 3-point range, over 50% on 2-pointers, and over 80% from the line, AND outrebounds their opponent ... and puts up double-digit steals to boot ... yeah, they're going to win, and probably by double digits. Colorado kept things inside 20 points by racking up the steals and making free throws as they tend to do, but this was Good Mizzou, and it was a welcome sight.
Mizzou Player Stats
| Player | AdjGS* | GmSc/Min | Line |
| Marcus Denmon | 23.0 | 0.77 | 30 Min, 22 Pts (6-for-9 FG, 4-for-6 3PT, 6-for-6 FT), 6 Reb (2 Off), 3 Ast, 2 TO |
| Kim English | 19.6 | 0.60 | 33 Min, 21 Pts (5-for-11 FG, 4-for-5 3PT, 7-for-8 FT), 5 Reb, 3 Ast, 2 TO |
| Keith Ramsey | 11.0 | 0.44 | 25 Min, 10 Pts (4-for-6 FG), 7 Reb (2 Off), 4 Blk, 2 Stl, 5 TO |
| J.T. Tiller | 7.6 | 0.34 | 22 Min, 4 Pts (2-for-4 FG), 6 Ast, 2 Reb, 2 Stl |
| Justin Safford | 7.4 | 0.49 | 15 Min, 10 Pts (4-for-6 FG), 4 Reb, 2 TO |
| Laurence Bowers | 5.3 | 0.48 | 11 Min, 9 Pts (3-for-5 FG, 3-for-6 FT) |
| Zaire Taylor | 3.9 | 0.12 | 33 Min, 0 Pts (0-for-5 FG), 5 Ast, 4 Reb, 4 Stl |
| Steve Moore | 2.5 | 0.17 | 15 Min, 4 Pts (2-for-3 FG), 3 Reb, 2 TO |
| Mike Dixon | 1.4 | 0.09 | 16 Min, 4 Pts (1-for-6 FG, 0-for-4 3PT), 2 Stl |
* AdjGS = a take-off of the Game Score metric (definition here) accepted by a lot of basketball stat nerds. It takes points, assists, rebounds (offensive & defensive), steals, blocks, turnovers and fouls into account to determine an individual's "score" for a given game. The "adjustment" in Adjusted Game Score is simply matching the total game scores to the total points scored in the game, thereby redistributing the game's points scored to those who had the biggest impact on the game itself, instead of just how many balls a player put through a basket.
- Marcus Denmon seems to have a lot of both Zaire Taylor and J.T. Tiller in him. Like Tiller, he's a potentially great defender and, when he wants to be, a strong penetrator. Like Taylor, he lets the offense come to him. We sometimes want him to assert himself more offensively, like he did at the end of the Kansas State game. Well ... against CU, Denmon both let the game come to him and dominated. Not only did he make four of six 3-pointers, but he was also aggressive enough to earn six free throws, something we haven't seen enough of recently. And the six rebounds were a nice bonus.
- Speaking of bonus rebounds ... I would love to be able to count on five boards a game from Kimmeh. He is a bit one-dimensional -- if his shot isn't falling, he isn't really contributing just a whole let else to the statsheet, and he turns the ball over a bit too much -- but five boards and three assists were a nice addition to the 4-for-5 shooting from 3-point land.
- We got all the good and bad of Keith Ramsey's game in one neat package. The five turnovers were about 3-4 too many, but he made up for it with 4 blocks, 7 rebounds, and nice touch around the basket. Mizzou wouldn't have been nearly as dominant without Ramsey, though the turnovers were obviously an issue.
- I like the idea someone proposed in the live thread ... J.T. Tiller is officially in Willie Mays Hays territory. Anytime he shoots a 3-pointer, he has to drop and do some push-ups. Actually, I realize you kind of have to shoot if you're wide open, so I'll allow him one a game. But starting on the second 3 (and granted, he only took one today), he owes me 20 push-ups.
- I think I am more torn on Justin Safford than any other Mizzou player. He has been wonderful offensively in each of the last two games ... but with the more time that passes, the more I start to suspect that he simply isn't a very good defensive player, and aside from the occasional game, he is not good enough on the boards. He grabbed four boards in 15 minutes today, certainly not a bad total, but his defense was lacking considering the subpar opponent. A couple of times, either Keith Ramsey or Laurence Bowers would cut their interior man off, but Safford's man would break free underneath for an easy bucket. Again, it was only a couple of times, but I do think Safford still thinks like a guard in a big man's body, and ... well, he's a junior. He needs to be getting over that. Clearly he brings things to the table offensively (even though his FG% is WAY too low for a power forward), but he takes things off too.
- Not a good shooting week for Zaire Taylor: 2-for-13 shooting, 1-for-7 on 3-pointers. But he did still manage 8 assists, 7 rebounds, and 5 steals in two games. If only he hadn't half-assed that one rebound against ATM...
- If Steve Moore is ever consistently able to give Mizzou exactly what he gave today on a regular basis -- 15 minutes, solid defense, solid rebounding, and a couple of lovely post moves -- I will be thrilled. He's still only an average rebounder for his size, but he's getting there. He'll never be a star, but ... I liked what he did today.
- No Miguel Paul today. After his atrocious, relatively brainless performance against Texas A&M, I can't really imagine that's a coincidence.
Three Keys Revisited
From Friday's preview.
R-E-B-O-U-N-D
Mizzou won the expected rebound battle by 1, and when combined with good shooting and steals, that was a pretty good equation, no?
Free Throws
Yeah, this didn't quite turn out like I expected. Colorado went 20-for-23 from the line after a 1-for-4 start and finished the game shooting 78%. But Mizzou not only matched them, but exceeded them at 82%.
Patience
Colorado did manage 11 steals, and because of that the BCI battle was a lot closer than normal, but Mizzou's ball movement was nice, and they got the shots they needed. Nobody took too many out-of-character shots (aside from a small span in the first half where everybody fell in love with 17-footers ... the worst, least effective shot in basketball ... it's as hard to make as a 3, only people don't practice it as much, and it's only worth 2 points), and ... well, they just played well.
Mizzou Stats - Conference Play
| Mizzou |
Opp. | |
| Points Per Minute |
1.90 | 1.79 |
| Points Per Possession (PPP) |
1.08 | 1.02 |
| Points Per Shot (PPS) |
1.26 | 1.30 |
| 2-PT FG% | 41.9% | 45.9% |
| 3-PT FG% | 37.1% | 36.1% |
| FT% | 73.9% | 69.0% |
| True Shooting % | 53.0% | 53.8% |
| Mizzou | Opp. | |
| Assists/Gm | 12.8 | 11.4 |
| Steals/Gm | 10.0 | 6.8 |
| Turnovers/Gm | 12.6 | 18.9 |
| Ball Control Index (BCI) (Assists + Steals) / TO |
1.80 | 0.96 |
| Mizzou | Opp. | |
| Expected Offensive Rebounds/Gm | 28.0 | 25.5 |
| Offensive Rebounds/Gm | 26.3 | 29.3 |
| Difference | -1.7 | +3.8 |
Mizzou is now 5-3 in conference, one game worse than they were last year. At this point in conference play last year, Mizzou was -1.3 rebounds per game, held a 2.13 to 1.05 BCI advantage, and outshot opponents to the tune of 57.8%-52.3% in terms of True Shooting %. So they're about four boards worse, their BCI advantage is about 0.2 worse (their BCI defense is actually better), and while opponents are shooting about 1.5% better, Mizzou is shooting almost 5% worse. That is leading to a severe drop in assists (17.4 per game at this point last year, 12.8 this year), and a subsequent drop in BCI and PPP (from 1.13 to 1.08). I actually think this team's defense might be better than last year's (or at least as good), but the offense and rebounding are clearly worse, and ... well, that's just the way it's going to be this year, I guess. The reinforcements are coming soon enough.
| Player | AdjGS* | GmSc/Min | Line |
| Laurence Bowers | 13.5 | 0.65 | 20.9 MPG, 10.8 PPG (61.0% TS%), 6.3 RPG, 1.5 BPG, 1.1 APG, 1.3 TOPG |
| Marcus Denmon | 12.3 | 0.52 | 23.5 MPG, 11.5 PPG (67.0% TS%), 2.5 RPG, 1.5 APG |
| Zaire Taylor | 10.8 | 0.35 | 30.6 MPG, 9.3 PPG (53.2% TS%), 3.4 APG, 3.1 RPG, 1.5 SPG |
| Kim English | 10.2 | 0.41 | 24.9 MPG, 13.5 PPG (47.4% TS%), 4.6 RPG, 1.1 APG, 1.1 SPG, 1.9 TOPG |
| Justin Safford | 9.6 | 0.42 | 22.5 MPG, 10.5 PPG (50.1% TS%), 4.6 RPG, 1.1 TOPG |
| Keith Ramsey | 7.4 | 0.28 | 26.6 MPG, 5.9 PPG (67.9% TS%), 4.4 RPG, 1.5 SPG, 1.3 APG, 2.6 TOPG |
| Mike Dixon | 4.5 | 0.30 | 14.9 MPG, 5.9 PPG (51.0% TS%), 1.1 SPG |
| J.T. Tiller | 4.1 | 0.17 | 23.8 MPG, 6.6 PPG (38.3% TS%), 2.9 RPG, 2.5 APG, 1.4 SPG, 2.3 TOPG |
| Steve Moore | 1.7 | 0.21 | 8.1 MPG, 1.4 PPG (51.7% TS%), 1.9 RPG |
| Miguel Paul | 0.5 | 0.05 | 8.4 MPG, 2.1 PPG (50.8% TS%) |
I used True Shooting % here instead of FG% just to see if it tells us anything in particular. Here's what I'm seeing: 1) Justin Safford's TS% is FAR too low for a big man, 2) Marcus Denmon's TS% is INSANELY high for a guard, and 3) J.T. Tiller just can't shoot this season. Holy moly. Nevermind that he's 1-for-13 (7.7%) from 3-point range in conference play, but he's also only 18-for-47 (38.3%) on 2-pointers. And potentially most alarming: he's only shot 21 free throws. His FTA/FGA is at 0.35, which certainly isn't terrible, but Tiller's game is at its best if he is more in the 0.45-0.55 range. Even if they're leaving him wide open from 3-point range, he should still be attacking the basket and not just settling for 10-foot runners that aren't going in.
Summary
Colorado's obviously not a great team, but they have been EXTREMELY competitive at home ... beating Baylor, taking Kansas to OT, almost beating K-State ... and Mizzou took them to the woodshed. CU actually did some things well to keep things inside 20 points -- their steals were good and their rebounding wasn't bad, though they did miss some open shots that could have kept things closer -- but this was a very good Mizzou team we saw today. They bounced back as they tend to do after losses, and ... well, you know what that means...

Four more wins to NCAA Tournament eligibility.
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dadgum...
my kid was playing backyard football (a video game) whilst i was preparing a meal at church. or else my trifecter (as dickie v. would say) woulda included, you guessed it, money, kimmeh, and keith. believe it, or not. i’ll gladly accept any accolades that may be forthcoming.
"A third of a gopher would only arouse my appetite without beddin' 'er back down." -Ulysses Everett McGill
hmmmm

Mike doesn’t want that. He doesn’t need to go out and sign a bunch of McDonald’s All-Americans. He just needs to go find a few Burger King-type guys and he’ll get it done.
by tigers and chiefs fan on Feb 6, 2010 10:49 PM CST up reply actions
well played. :-)
"A third of a gopher would only arouse my appetite without beddin' 'er back down." -Ulysses Everett McGill
by threadkiller on Feb 6, 2010 11:22 PM CST up reply actions
btw, denmon is a future player of the year candidate. gives all at both ends.
"A third of a gopher would only arouse my appetite without beddin' 'er back down." -Ulysses Everett McGill
His defense was very good last year
but this year, we’re really starting to see signs of what he can do offensively. He’s still got some work to do in regard to driving the lane…but RPT and I agreed during the game that if our lives depended on it, Denmon’s the guy we want taking a good look from three. He’s pretty much automatic so long as there’s nobody in his face (which obviously can be said for a lot of people…but nobody more than Denmon on this team).
Chicago White Sox Examiner — IT'S A JEEP THING YOU WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND
He had a couple of nice drives
As long as he keeps doing that, he will get more space to shoot. I didn’t like him too much last year as he reminded me of Glen Dandridge, i.e. every time he enters the game he would take a ill-conceived 3 and miss. But what a difference a year makes. I really liked the dribble penetration in the game. Kimmie, JT, Denmon, and even Saffy.
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The Mizzou player impact chart
is actually the Colorado player impact chart.
"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."
by sirensofsilence on Feb 6, 2010 11:22 PM CST reply actions
I certainly didn't see this coming.
This seemed like one of those games where we’d just come out flat and be behind a lot of the game. I thought we’d eventually come out on top with a margin of victory of 6 or 7 points.
He didn't need the backboard on that one!
Trifecta change?
Given the high number of possibilities of trifectas considering the players have to be in order maybe just the top player has to be specific and 2nd and 3rd don’t matter. So everyone would pick a star and 2 supporting players instead of top 3 in order.
i kinda like the higher difficulty...
i don’t know that we want a winner every game.
capital letters suck.
Plus...
There’s a reason trifectas pay out so high. Hint: it’s NOT because they are really easy go predict. When was the last time you went down to your local dog track and correctly picked the trifecta?
by TheHamburglar on Feb 7, 2010 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
Also...
I like the idea someone proposed in the live thread … J.T. Tiller is officially in Willie Mays Hays territory. Anytime he shoots a 3-pointer, he has to drop and do some push-ups. Actually, I realize you kind of have to shoot if you’re wide open, so I’ll allow him one a game. But starting on the second 3 (and granted, he only took one today), he owes me 20 push-ups.
Chicago White Sox Examiner — IT'S A JEEP THING YOU WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND
Heh, I was too lazy to go back and look it up...
…but a belated kudos to you.
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Maybe this was posted on the game thread
But who else is excited to see big steve getting some quality minutes?
Me
I think he is the only big that has true low post moves. His body is built for posting low. I think Ramsey is great at getting cheap baskets or baskets on the move. I think Saffy is really good facing the basket (shooting or taking it to the hoop), and I think Bowers can do a lot of things. I just think big Steve complements more than duplicates.
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what i loved most
was that colorado tried double teaming him which opened up an easy offensive rebound and put back for safford. that was a great sight to see.
"Sorry about him, he's dealing with being an inker. " - Chasing Amy
?
Is the trifecta the 3 highest scorers in order from high to low? I know it’s a dumb question but I’m just not sure.
It's the 3 players
who finish 1, 2, and 3 in AdjGS.
"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."
by sirensofsilence on Feb 7, 2010 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
Thanks for the response!
Now, I looked at the table and I have Denmon-English-Ramsey and they are the 3 top players in that order but I’m not a winner?
17 vs. 20-9
Is a 20-9 footer really just as easy to convert as a 17 footer? I would think not even though I don’t have any hard data to support it. I know that the expected value is probably equivalent considering its 3 pts. vs 2pts, but the percentage has got to be much higher for 17?
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It might be a smidge higher...
…but you have really good muscle memory on 3-pointers because you’re likely practicing the 3 a whole helluva lot more than you’re practicing 17-footers. I don’t have any data to back this up either, but for most people I don’t think your percentages increase with every step you take toward the basket — I think you practice 3’s more, and you’re as likely to make that as a 17-footer or so. I could be wrong about that. That said…yeah, even if the 17-footer % is a smidge higher, it’s still worth a point less, meaning your “expected points” for that shot (likelihood of making it times the points available) is less.
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Maybe we'll just have to agree to disagree on this
Definitely agree on your point that expected value is higher for 20-9. I do hear what you are saying about practicing a certain shot. But here are some counter-arguments:
1. Ideally, the jump shot mechanics should not vary that much between a 20-9 and a 17 footer. So practicing shooting should help both types of shots.
2. The pure physics of the ball rotation and resulting drift as a function of the distance from the basket… Maybe someone has done studies on analyzing the relationship between FG% and distance from the basket? Discounting bank shots and close range shots, I would think the curve would be somewhat smooth?
Again my arguments are pure speculations on my part with not an ounce of scientific support.
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