2009-10 Season Wrap-up (Part Five): Final Doppelgangers - The Backup Bigs (and Sutton)
Part One: The Team Stats
Part Two: The Player Stats and Style Doppelgangers
Part Three: More Doppelgangers - The Scorers
Part Four: More Doppelgangers - The Distributors
Today we look at the players who will likely line Mizzou's bench next season. At least two of them will likely see increased playing time in 2010-11, but it is doubtful that they will start. So with a starting five of Derrick Chievous, Rickey Paulding, Nathan Buntin, Nathan Buntin and Lee Coward starting (with Lee Coward also coming off the bench), who occupies Mizzou's second string?
| Player | MPG | PPG | RPG | APG | SPG | BPG | TOPG |
| Steve Moore | 10.1 | 1.1 | 1.6 | 0.4 | 0.4 | 0.9 | 0.5 |
| Usage% | Versatility | 2PT% | 3PT% | FT% | FTA/FGA | 3PA/FGA | Floor% |
| 8% | 0.90 | 36.4% | 0.0% | 75.0% | 0.44 | 0.08 | 31% |
| OffReb% | DefReb% |
| 0.03 | 0.14 |
| Touches/Poss. | %Pass | %Shoot | %Fouled | %TO |
| 1.30 | 56.7% | 23.1% | 9.2% | 10.9% |
I will be honest: I expected nothing out of Steve Moore this year. Despite being a semi-honorary Truman Patriot (I know what seems like about half the Truman Classes of 1996-98 and went to Santa-Cali-Gon three times as a rite of passage ... mmm, giant turkey legs, funnel cake, and As Seen on TV display booths), I was completely unable to see him making a serious contribution, especially as a sophomore. But while he clearly wasn't a star, he more than proved his worth, especially when Justin Safford blew out his ACL.
While he is still a little too limited (to say the least) offensively, Moore spent the first half of the season seemingly learning what is and isn't considered a foul, then absolutely wrecked shop defensively in the season's final seven games, starting with the Colorado game in which Safford went down.
Here are Moore's averages for those seven games: 14.0 MPG, 2.3 BPG, 1.9 RPG, 0.7 APG, 0.6 SPG. Plus, he drew what seemed like about one charge per game. He was invaluable on defense. Now ... he clearly still had some gaping holes in his game -- he went 1-for-5 from the field and scored just two points (that's right, he had more steals than points), and considering Safford's absence led to the need for somebody else to step up offensively, Moore's complete invisibility on that side of the ball led to 4-on-5 offense and negated a lot of his positive defensive impact. Moore doesn't need to average 10 PPG or anything to be important, but he at least needs to be a threat to score once a half. Get him to 4-5 PPG, and with that defense, he could be an incredible weapon for Mizzou.
Style Doppelganger: Mike Sandbothe (1985-89)

Granted, averaging more blocks than rebounds and more steals than points means that nobody is going to be tremendously close to Moore in overall style, but Sandbothe was surprisingly similar. And if we're counting Nathan Buntin and Lee Coward twice, this means that six of seven Style Doppelgangers played on the 1987-88 Mizzou team. Odd.
A quick summary of the greatness that was Mike Sandbothe: he was an outstanding defender, he was the ultimate "little things" player, he played in more games than any Tiger in history, and he was the model of consistency. In four seasons, he ...
...averaged between 23.6 and 30.4 MPG every year.
...averaged between 4.8 and 6.5 PPG every year.
...averaged between 5.5 and 6.1 RPG every year.
...averaged between 1.9 and 3.4 APG every year.
...averaged between 0.8 and 1.8 SPG every year.
...averaged between 0.4 and 0.5 BPG every year.
...shot between 48.5% and 60.5% from the field every year.
...passed between 60.2% and 70.0% of the time, shot between 14.2% and 23.5% of the time, got fouled between 6.7% and 8.0% of the time, and turned the ball over between 6.8% and 8.4% of the time.
Despite the fact that Moore will probably never average more than 23.6 minutes per game, Sandbothe is the absolute perfect role model for Senor Rec Specs. His Usage% was never higher than 13%, but playing with everybody from Derrick Chievous to Doug Smith to Byron Irvin to Anthony Peeler to Jeff Strong, his role was not to score. It was to do everything else to clear the path for the scorers. Still, though, he averaged 4.2 field goal attempts per game over his career, and that is basically what we need to see from Moore.
As with most of the players we have discussed so far, massive improvement or change in style is not needed -- Moore is 80% fine exactly the way he is. But whether he gets a few more passes in the post in a given game, or whether he just hits the offensive glass a lot harder and nabs a putback or two (for as good a defensive rebounder as he is, an offensive rebounding % of 0.03 is just terrible ... there is literally almost no statistical proof that he even left Mizzou's side of the court when Mizzou was on offense), he just needs to do a bit more than simply exist on the court, and Sandbothe's game is almost a perfect example of how he can improve in that regard.
| Player | MPG | PPG | RPG | APG | SPG | BPG | TOPG |
| Tyler Stone | 3.6 | 1.8 | 0.8 | 0.2 | 0.2 | 0.1 | 0.3 |
| Usage% | Versatility | 2PT% | 3PT% | FT% | FTA/FGA | 3PA/FGA | Floor% |
| 23% | 0.61 | 64.7% | N/A | 0.0% | 0.06 | 0.00 | 51% |
| OffReb% | DefReb% |
| 0.08 | 0.16 |
| Touches/Poss. | %Pass | %Shoot | %Fouled | %TO |
| 2.19 | 36.0% | 52.0% | 2.7% | 9.2% |
Now we battle small sample sizes to a pretty significant degree. It's interesting, however, just how much players maintain their general style of play (based on the Touches measure) when they go from few minutes played to many.
Tyler Stone is a rather intriguing player. He's beefier than either Laurence Bowers or John Underwood, and he showed nice strength and an overall skill set in (admittedly) very limited action. He appeared to have a nice stroke within a strictly-defined range of about 14-16 feet (he badly missed anything beyond that), he put up a decent rebounding rate, and while he probably shot too much overall, he really didn't take anything off the table.
Of course, a) he banked in at least two shots where the bank looked just awkward enough that it may have been unintentional, and b) unlike Underwood (blocked shots, rebounding), he didn't really bring anything new to the table. Both Bowers and Safford have at least his shooting range, and he didn't really get a chance to set himself apart in any way. If Underwood (or even Moore) is just too much of an offensive liability to see the court, then Stone could become an extremely viable option, but in all, I'm just very eager to see him play against tougher competition -- let's see what he brings to the table in real minutes.
Style Doppelganger: Jeffrey Ferguson (2001-03, 04-05)

Hmm.
I should clarify something here: while his style was that of Jeffrey Ferguson, he was basically better than Ferguson in just about every category (just like Kim English's style was similar to Derrick Chievous', only much less efficient). He was a better overall shooter (Ferguson actually had decent range but was extremely inconsistent), turned the ball over a smaller percentage of the time, passed more, and had a much higher Floor% (51% versus 34%). To be fair, Ferguson was better on the offensive glass (he better be -- he's three inches taller than Stone).
In all, Ferguson's problems at Mizzou (you'll notice the picture above is of him in a Wayne State jersey -- that's where he finished his career after transferring) were similar to what I mentioned above about Stone; while he seemed to have potential in a lot of ways -- decent shooting range, good length, etc. -- he didn't really deliver anything substantial in any one category. He was rather nondescript (and horribly inconsistent) no matter how unique it seemed he should be. I won't draw any substantial conclusions from this simply because Stone's sample size is so small, and for all we know, he'll turn out to be a tremendous and scorer and rebounder if/when given the opportunity -- but if he fails to become a major contributor here, the "nondescript" feature is probably why.
(And if he ends up transferring like Ferguson did, then ... BEHOLD THE POWER OF THE DOPPELGANGER STUDY.)
| Player | MPG | PPG | RPG | APG | SPG | BPG | TOPG |
| John Underwood | 3.7 | 0.6 | 1.8 | 0.1 | 0.1 | 0.4 | 0.4 |
| Usage% | Versatility | 2PT% | 3PT% | FT% | FTA/FGA | 3PA/FGA | Floor% |
| 17% | 0.44 | 12.5% | N/A | 58.3% | 1.50 | 0.00 | 22% |
| OffReb% | DefReb% |
| 0.25 | 0.28 |
| Touches/Poss. | %Pass | %Shoot | %Fouled | %TO |
| 1.64 | 19.8% | 27.0% | 36.3% | 16.9% |
Fun fact: only five Mizzou players in the last 30 years have managed a %Fouled rate of 26% or higher while playing double digit minutes per game: 1) Kalen Grimes 05-06 (30.8%), 2) Justin Gage 99-00 (27.5%), 3) Justin Gage 00-01 (26.4%), 4) Kevin Young 04-05 (26.2%), 5) T.J. "Pump Fake" Soyoye 00-01 (25.9%).
Translation: if John Underwood gets any sort of increase in playing time, his %Fouled rate will almost certainly fall a pretty stark amount, and his entire per-touch splits will change considerably.
Despite that Tyler Stone actually succeeded on the court more than Underwood, for the reasons spelled out above (he brings some specific things to the table that others don't), I am more optimistic about Underwood's future contributions at Mizzou. For all we know, he might be as much of an offensive non-entity as Steve Moore, but whereas Moore's game has certain aspects of finesse (and infinite amounts of uniqueness) to it, what we've seen from Underwood so far has been more what one would expect to see from a prototypical defense-first big man. He blocks shots (his 0.33 blocks per possession were higher than even Moore's 0.26, albeit with a much smaller sample size), and he rebounds like mad (his combined Rebound% of 0.27 is MUCH higher than that of any other Tiger).
Also, while the inefficiencies in Moore's game seem based on timidity (on offense, at least), Underwood's were more aggressive, for better or worse. His Usage% was higher than Moore's, but so was his turnover rate. He shot more frequently than Moore ... but he missed almost everything he shot. His game is obviously VERY raw, but if he were to improve and emerge as another type of useful big man for Mizzou next season, then their frontcourt depth could be outstanding. He did quite a few things well that Mizzou really needed in 2009-10, and if he can improve, there's a spot for him in the rotation. IF he can improve. And eat quite a few sandwiches.
Style Doppelganger: Chris Heller (1989-90)

JUST missed having another doppelganger from the 1987-88 team (Heller started in 1989)! Damn!
Underwood and Chris Heller had a very different set of expectations when they came to Columbia. Heller was a former Missouri player of the year, a highly-recruited athlete who chose Mizzou over all nearby schools, including Kansas. Underwood, meanwhile, was basically unheard of in recruiting circles before nabbing a very late Mizzou offer. Regardless of how they got to Columbia, they ended up having very similar first-year outings. Heller was able to steal more minutes (101 to Underwood's 52), and because of that his %Fouled was lower, but their overall percentages and trends were quite similar. Heller was solid on the offensive glass and great on the defensive glass, better than Underwood from the field (55.2%) and much worse from the line (7-for-22, 31.8%). Underwood both blocked shots and fouled a bit more frequently. In all, however, expectations were the biggest difference in their game -- production was similar.
Heller ended up having one of the more unique careers in recent Mizzou history. He never quite lived up to the expectations set for him -- his best season was his fourth-year junior season (his third year was derailed by a broken foot), in which he averaged 22 MPG, 8 PPG, and 6 RPG. I bet we would take that from Underwood if he were to get the minutes, especially if he continued to show strong ability on the defensive end.
| Player | MPG | PPG | RPG | APG | SPG | BPG | TOPG |
| Jarrett Sutton | 3.7 | 1.0 | 0.2 | 0.0 | 0.1 | 0.0 | 0.0 |
| Usage% | Versatility | 2PT% | 3PT% | FT% | FTA/FGA | 3PA/FGA | Floor% |
| 25% | 0.00 | 0.0% | 20.0% | 0.0% | 0.00 | 0.88 | 15% |
| OffReb% | DefReb% |
| 0.03 | 0.03 |
| Touches/Poss. | %Pass | %Shoot | %Fouled | %TO |
| 1.48 | 0.0% | 100.0% | 0.0% | 0.0% |
Like just about every other typical walk-on in the country, Jarrett Sutton took a lot of 3's. It was what he was on the court to do -- make a 3, send the crowd home happy. I believe he entered the paint once this season, grabbed an offensive rebound, and had his putback summarily swatted out of bounds ... which was pretty rude if you ask me.
Style Doppelganger: Um, almost every other walk-on for the last 30 years (particularly Nick Berardini)

And for fun, here are the eight best walk-on seasons (according to Adj. GS) in the last 20 years:
- Chip Walther (1996-97) - 69.8
- Jed Frost (1992-93) - 52.3
- Chip Walther (1994-95) - 46.6
- Jed Frost (1991-92) - 28.1
- Chip Walther (1995-96) - 19.2
- Jarrett Sutton (2008-09) - 17.6
- Ryan Kiernan (2001-02) - 13.9
- Nick Berardini (2007-08) - 12.0
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Transfers not likely
I know a lot of Mizzou fans want the Juco kid because of our unfortunate lack of depth in the paint after Safford went out, but unless Mitchell fails to qualify (which is not likely, in my opinion) then there is really no room for him. Any of the kids on the team right now would be crazy to transfer, considering the last two successful seasons and the potential for the future. Coach Anderson is no Calipari or (Bobby) Gonzalez – thank God – and would never ask a kid to transfer just so he could recruit someone else. Two years in Anderson’s system is far more valuable for the team than a kid who has been in Juco for two years and has to adjust. Look how much better JYD was his senior year. I see Moore making great strides on offense next year – remember how he canned some important threes in HS playoffs – and I’m drooling over what Underwood will bring to the table (no pun intended) next year. Stone is still somewhat of an unknown, but he definitely has a nose for the basket, whose first instinct is to take it to the bucket – maybe some of that can rub off on the other two. Add the mix of Mitchell, Pressey and Kreklow (Green might have to redshirt if his surgery pushes him too late into the season), and you have a team that anyone should want to be on – not transfer away from.
Playing for a successful program with potential...
…has never stopped a kid from wanting to transfer. Team success isn’t necessarily enough for somebody when they’re rotting at the end of the bench.
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Remember Maslow
Hey, Bill, remember Psych class (at least I think they still teach this) and Abraham Maslow’s hierarchy of needs. After physiological and safety concerns comes the social need for a sense of belonging to something larger than oneself, including a circle of friends or family. For all but the most selfish person, that trumps self esteem and self-actualization. Most of our recruits have unwittingly confirmed that the past couple of years in both basketball and football when they describe the “sense of family” they feel at Mizzou. As long as the programs are attaining national success, that helps the team coalesce into a “successful family” of sorts, and is a strong incentive to “succeed” individually in that family. I still think people don’t totally understand the degree of loyalty Anderson feels and exhibits toward his recruits personally, which will most often be rewarded in kind. I wonder what Keon Lawrence is thinking these days about leaving Mizzou . . .
Moore "O"
I seem to recall that Big Steeeve showed some nice post moves (w/back to the basket) that none of our other bigs have. Am I misremembering?
The other thing I want to suggest is that CMA teams are guard oriented/initiated teams on “O”. So the lack of stats for bigs might be partly due to our guards not getting them the ball. One example is our pick ‘n rolls. The bigs going to the basket never get the ball (at least I can’t remember), and neither are our guards taking advantage of the mismatch to take the opposing big to the basket. I know I am going on a tangent with pick ’n rolls, but I really think we can better utilize them instead of just passing the ball around the perimeter so the opposing D can reset itself.
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