Rock M Roundtable!

1 - Zaire Taylor vs Robert Horry. Discuss. (Yes, Doug, I know that their big shots didn't come on quite the same stage. But I asked it anyway. So there.)
2 - Mizzou's offense has been horrendous the last two games. How much of a role has Justin Safford's absence played in that?
3 - Picks!
Kansas State at Kansas (tonight)
Oklahoma State at Texas A&M (tonight)
Texas at Baylor (Saturday)
Texas A&M at Oklahoma (Saturday)
Kansas at Missouri (Saturday)
4 - Somehow I'm withstanding the urge to ask a question about the Oscars ... instead, I'll ask a Twitter question! Conan O'Brien racked up about 240,000 followers in, what, 12 hours or so last week? Give me someone with both the overall celebrity and popularity on the Internet (a.k.a. popularity with the nerds and hipsters) to top that.
RPT: 1. To be fair, Horry's got the record for peeling potatoes.
2. Even when he's not making shots, Safford seems to be the one that drags Mizzou along early and forces the offense to be aggressive. It results in some poor shot selection, but it gets the offense in the right frame of mind. In all honesty though, I think it's primarily a coincidence.
3. Picks:
Kansas State < Kansas
Oklahoma State < Texas A&M
Texas < Baylor
Texas A&M > Oklahoma
Kansas > Missouri
4. @BillConnelly1
Michael Atchison: 1 - Taylor. Horry never did it thrice in one game.
2 - Safford’s absence has played a big role, because even if he didn’t score a lot, defenses at least had to respect him. But they don’t even have to guard Keith Ramsey and Steve Moore in the halfcourt. Those guys can’t score within the offense; all their points come on putbacks and in transition. And Bowers has vanished. His inability to finish around the rim is disconcerting. Safford at least made defenses honor him. He could face up and shoot, or he could spin to the bucket. Now teams just play centerfield and stop penetration by Mizzou’s guards. Going forward (this season and next), they desperately need an interior scoring threat.
3 - Kansas State at Kansas (tonight) Kansas by 12.
Oklahoma State at Texas A&M (tonight) Would love the Pokes to win, but I’ll say the Aggies by 8.
Texas at Baylor (Saturday) Come on Horns. Could you do us a favor? Sadly, no. Baylor by 6.
Texas A&M at Oklahoma (Saturday) A&M by 4.
Kansas at Missouri (Saturday). We must protect this house!
4 - Oprah’s toenail clippings could get a quarter million followers. Is there a fetus currently growing within a Kardashian? If so, I’ll take him/her.
ZouDave: 1 - I've never heard of this "Robert Horry", and frankly it sounds made-up, but I know one thing for sure: when they replaced my regular coffee with Zaire Taylor I not only couldn't tell the difference, I had more energy and got everything done in the last minute.
2 - It's pretty easy to read too much into this. The two teams that we've played without Safford are teams we'd already seen earlier in the year. Were we stellar against KSU and ISU the first time we played them with Safford? No, we were not. There's your answer.
3 - Begrudgingly, unfortunately, and much to my chagrin, I pick kansas to win tonight. <hurp>
aTm beats OSU as OSU has a let-down
Baylor beats Texas, Texas still gets Top 25 votes
OU beats aTm
Missouri beats kansas, simply because there's no way I'm picking it the other way
4 - Steve Jobs. And I couldn't possibly care less about what he has to say about anything. I don't tweet nor follow those that do.
Doug: 1 - I wasn't going to say the stage wasn't the same... I mean, for all we know, Taylor is pulling down a nice paycheck for his work, just like Horry. (Note to interwebs: This is an entirely false statement.)
2 - There's something to be said for losing any player in your offensive scheme, even if Mike Anderson doesn't have anybody playing more than 24 or 25 minutes a game. Ultimately (and this is without looking at any statistics), I think it's hurting the most of the rebounding end for the Tiger, both offensively and defensively, and having few chances at made baskets means fewer chances to employ the press.
3 - Kansas
aTm
Baylor
aTm
Kansas
4 - @CraigyFerg ordered his followers to get Grant Imahara up to 100,000 followers so Grant would build Ferguson a robot sidekick. That's fairly awesome.
Michael Atchison: We saw a wrinkle last night that I think we’ll see more of: When the game was on the line, Mike Anderson put four guards on the floor.
And one of them wasn’t Kim English. He’s terribly out of sync. Even uncontested, last night he was going up diagonally on jump shots, and his ball handling is, um, precarious. They need him to get it together ASAP, because if they play four guards, he at least gives them some size, and he’s a very good rebounder for a perimeter player.
Bill C.: "Ultimately (and this is without looking at any statistics), I think it's hurting the most of the rebounding end for the Tiger, both offensively and defensively..."
WROOOOOOOOONG.

ZouDave:
Doug: Like I said, I did as much research as Bill Simmons ever does.
Bill C.: You mean Muhammad Ali wasn't universally loved when he came back to boxing?
(Yeah, that was an INSANELY bad "I know this, and you don't" moment from him in his chat last week.)
Doug: Unfortunately, and I think is true of anyone who writes an insane amount of words, Simmons has long since run out of original shtick and everything is just a slight variation on everything else.
That, and he relies on "Memory Research" a lot more than you would think ESPN would ever allow. Then you remember that John Kruk also works for ESPN.
ghtd36: Sorry I'm late. I was sketching out more stupid Zaire Taylor Microsoft Paint jobs. That dude has singlehandedly kept that program relevant.
1- I'll go with Zaire only because of a problem I've had with calling Robert Horry "Big Shot Bob." HIS NAME IS ROBERT. HE DOESN'T GO BY BOB. You can't force these memes, world. They've got to just happen organically. And I should know: I might have majored in journalism, but I minored in "Comparing Delaware Guards To Quotes From Relatively Obscure Alec Baldwin Quotes."
2- Honestly, I don't think his absence has played a major role in the struggles on the offensive end. If we want to start lobbing blame for the offensive woes, how about Laurence Bowers? In the two games since Safford's injury, he's a cool 3-for-17. 17.6 percent from the field. That's not to say it's all on the Party Starter -- Kim English's 8-for-23 isn't doing Missouri any favors -- but I think it's lazy to say "Justin Safford out = bad offense."
3- Let's go with POWERCAT in the upset (as it continues its rise toward a No. 1 seed), Tradition University, Nightmare Bear, Frank Alexander, and America.
4- You mean besides me (FOLLOW ME @TEPPER FOLLOW ME @TEPPER FOLLOW ME @TEPPER)? What about @WilliamShatner?
Also, I'd like to take an opportunity to lavish praise on the genius that is @FakeBrianBrooks. As someone who has had a number of nice conversations with the man (he really is a good dude), that is unmitigated brilliance.
Michael Atchison: By the way, CBS RPI has Mizzou at 31 this morning. I would have taken that at the beginning of the year. The Tigers look terrible at times, but they’re surprisingly effective.
RPT: "Also, I'd like to take an opportunity to lavish praise on the genius that is @FakeBrianBrooks. As someone who has had a number of nice conversations with the man (he really is a good dude), that is unmitigated brilliance."
This.
The J-School professors have come up with a bounty (including, I think a set of partially deflated balloons) for whoever can unmask @FakeBrianBrooks. Yet another reason why I love this university more than I ever thought possible.
(Two hours later...)
ghtd36: PEOPLE, THIS IS HATE WEEK. DO NOT LET THE MASSES DOWN WITH A SORRY ROUNDTABLE ON HATE WEEK.
Know what smell I inexplicably hate? Chlorine. And when you swim, you can never get that smell off you, no matter how hot of water you shower in. It's like the spot on Lady MacBeth.
/BOOMSHAKESPEAREREFERENCEROASTED
RPT: New plan to improve our shooting percentage: Only take the following shot.
ghtd36: Ah, Vince Carter: the NBA's Jason Conley.
RPT: Who is the NBA's Jason Horton?
ghtd36: Let's see: the criterion for being the NBA's Jason Horton is, as I view it:
-Point guard
-Wholly disappointing
-Gets in fights
-Shoot around 30 percent from the field
-Think he's much better than he actually is
Well holy crap, I think we have a winner.
RPT: Jason Horton: Skip to the Zou?
ZouDave:

ghtd36:

RPT: So... Is a 1 p.m. tip too early for Brady Morningstar to play with a buzz on?
/desperately trying to turn up hate week to 11
ghtd36: Tony LaRussa thinks that dude has a problem.
RPT: Rod Blagojevich thinks Bill Self looks shady.
Doug: Thanks to Blago's appearance on Celebrity Apprentice, your dig is both devastating and topical.
ghtd36: Joseph Merrick thinks Cole Aldrich is weird-lookin'.
RPT: R Kelly sees a lot of himself in Sherron Collins.
ghtd36: Elton John thinks a red and blue chicken a little over-the-top.
RPT: Jeff Withey reminds the world that he does in fact exist.
ZouDave: These seems appropriate for hate week...

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ZouDave's hate week comment saved this roundtable
"Wherever you go, there you are" - Buckaroo Bonzai
Well, not to excuse the comment from Simmon's chat last week
but in this week’s column, he offers this:
On Friday, I made a mistake comparing the 2010 Tiger Woods to the 1970 Muhammad Ali, saying that Tiger’s comeback would be much tougher because “everyone under 35 was rooting for Ali.” Total hyperbole that never would have happened had I spent more time thinking about it.
The rest of the column centers on this thesis:
When Tiger Woods returns to golf, he will face a level of pressure that well surpasses anything any other transcendent athlete has faced in my lifetime.
Still seems like a stretch, but I get this thesis more than the asinine comment from last week. I gagged a little when I was reading the chat wrap and saw the original comment.
Pigskin Punditry
"Put. That coffee. Down. Coffee is for closers." ~ Blake (Alec Baldwin), Glengarry Glen Ross
I just disagree with the entire premise of the Tiger pressure thing...
…I mean…Kobe is beloved(ish) now, and he was accused of rape a few years ago. All Tiger has to do is win once, and everything goes 98% back to normal. Not saying that’s the way it should be, but that’s how it always works. I guess he’s right about the attention/pressure at first, but in the end, this was ‘just’ an affair (okay, affairs), not a rape or murder trial, and he didn’t do anything that thousands of other professional athletes haven’t done. It’s different because he’s Tiger, but it’s not that different.
Then again, if he’s limiting it to just “transcendent” athletes, then that’s such a short list that he may be just about right by default (then again…Kobe…rape…).
Rock M Nation
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I was vacationing in Colorado . . .
in May of 2001. I had been hiking up Hanging Lake in the morning, and on the way back to Avon, I stopped in Eagle for lunch. I wanted to get past all the chain restaurants just off the highway and find something local. So I started to drive into town, and as I came over a hill, all of a sudden there was a sea of satellite trucks. There was a Kobe hearing that day. The salt-of-the-earth waitress in the Mexican place I ate had had quite enough of Kobe.
by Michael Atchison on Mar 3, 2010 5:28 PM CST up reply actions
i used to live/work in the eagle area back then
and i wholeheartedly agree that everyone was sick of kobe/reporters/outsiders. i went to the first kobe hearing- got a little face time on sportscenter behind shelly smith. it got pretty old being asked by a reporter ‘what do you think of the kobe fiasco?’ every other time you stopped to get gas. we had to ban them from the pool (i worked for the local rec district) because they were harassing the lifeguards who were friends of the girl. even incorrectly identified a lifeguard as ‘the girl’, so she had to go on good morning america to defend her honor. ridiculous.
all that being said, i can say with 99.936274% certainty that kobe, while most definitely a dooshbag, was not a criminal. at least in that case.
(it was actually 03 when that all went down)
and that is a good mexican joint. excellent chile colorado!
I'm not willing to call Kobe transcendent
I think the Tiger/Ali analogy is flawed.
However, I think that speaking about a transcendent athlete in an individual sport makes drawing a parallel to Kobe difficult.
Also, I wouldn’t say Kobe is even beloved-ish. It always feels more like grudging respect for him than actual love. I think Michael in his prime got love. I don’t feel that was about how Kobe is treated.
It’s interesting, because while Ali was dealing with a criminal situation (like Kobe, unlike Tiger), it was really something that played up culturally as well (which I don’t think was as much the case with Kobe).
I think it’s easy to draw parallels to both.
But the main point that I think B.S. buries is about coming back from “exile.” Kobe didn’t come back from “exile.” Kobe was famously attending hearings by day and taking charters at night.
Pigskin Punditry
"Put. That coffee. Down. Coffee is for closers." ~ Blake (Alec Baldwin), Glengarry Glen Ross
I haven't followed any of the Tiger stuff
after the accident and the revelation of the first affair.
I don’t give a shit if he cheats on his wife & I don’t think anyone should care outside of his family. I just don’t get the drama.
BUT after college BB season ends, I turn to Tiger and golf. If he’s not playing, I’m not watching and I imagine the ratings in 2008 bear that out for a lot of people.
Who gives a shit? Except the E! Entertainment Sports Radio & Teevee Talking Heads who are breathless about the whole deal – “I don’t think he’s sincere enough.” Blech.
I hope he’s back & back soon.
Mike doesn’t want that. He doesn’t need to go out and sign a bunch of McDonald’s All-Americans. He just needs to go find a few Burger King-type guys and he’ll get it done.
by tigers and chiefs fan on Mar 3, 2010 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
my sentiments exactly
i heard the first headline and i was done. haven’t listened to it since. i could care less what tiger does with his personal life.
"Sorry about him, he's dealing with being an inker. " - Chasing Amy
Good one fellas
You brought the funny.
Mike doesn’t want that. He doesn’t need to go out and sign a bunch of McDonald’s All-Americans. He just needs to go find a few Burger King-type guys and he’ll get it done.
by tigers and chiefs fan on Mar 3, 2010 5:00 PM CST reply actions
Who else thinks
That we have an obligation to root for okie state and the longhorns so that we give ourselves a chance to finish 3rd in the conference with a win on saturday?
If Okie State and the Longhorns both win...
We get third even if we lose.
Go Pokes & Horns
Mike doesn’t want that. He doesn’t need to go out and sign a bunch of McDonald’s All-Americans. He just needs to go find a few Burger King-type guys and he’ll get it done.
by tigers and chiefs fan on Mar 3, 2010 5:47 PM CST up reply actions
Well it's 3:38 PST, and Kansas sucks
The roundtable was refreshingly full of snark and win.
Let hate week proceed!
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Mar 3, 2010 5:39 PM CST reply actions
Now 3:39, Kansas sucks
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Mar 3, 2010 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
yea
but it would be a 3 way tie for 3rd that we are at the bottom end of if we lost and a&m were to win their next game. I’m not willing to accept that :)
Actually,
It would be a 4 team tie that we would be on the top of.
"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."
by Transmogrified Tiger on Mar 3, 2010 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
From our Texas blog:
1. Most obviously, but least likely, both Missouri and Baylor, or Missouri and Texas A&M, could lose both of their final two contests.
2. If Texas A&M loses both its contests and Missouri wins one of two, the Tigers, Horns, and Bears would be tied at 10-6. The Big XII’s tie-breaking rules call for the tie to be broken among teams within the same division first, pitting Texas and Baylor against one another. Since the two teams would have split head-to-head, the tie-break turns to record in South Division games, but both would be 7-3, sending us to the next step: a comparison of records against the top teams in the South, sequentially based on the standings. Both squads went 1-1 against A&M, so we would move down to Oklahoma State and… voila! Winner-winner! Texas’ 2-0 record against the Pokes breaks the tie.
3. If both A&M and Missouri lose one of their final two, we’d have a four-way tie at 10-6*, and luckily for Missouri, the tie would again be broken among the Division teams first. Here, the Big XII’s published tie-breaking rules get a little messy: “When three or more teams from the same division are tied step B (head-to-head results) will consist of a mini-round robin among the tied teams.” Since all three squads would be 1-1 against each other, we’d move to Step C, which again would be intra-division record. In this scenario, A&M’s loss to either OSU or OU this week would be their fourth South Division loss of the year, eliminating them from the tiebreaker. We’re down to Texas and Baylor again, and again we win on Step D.
http://www.burntorangenation.com/2010/3/2/1333403/texas-basketball-report-3-6-march
by RPT on Mar 3, 2010 7:18 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe I'll understand all of that
if/when I get a PhD.
Pigskin Punditry
"Put. That coffee. Down. Coffee is for closers." ~ Blake (Alec Baldwin), Glengarry Glen Ross
May be a fair statement...
… considering the author has a J.D.
by RPT on Mar 3, 2010 8:01 PM CST up reply actions
He doesn't consider
that if aTm’s loss is to OSU, they actually make a 5th team in the tiebreak. No difference to us and Texas fans though, it means one less step to Texas winning that mess of a South tiebreaker.
"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."
by Transmogrified Tiger on Mar 3, 2010 8:07 PM CST up reply actions
Or maybe he did
and it just wasn’t part of the quoted segment. You’re an idiot.
"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."
by Transmogrified Tiger on Mar 3, 2010 8:09 PM CST up reply actions
Watching Notre Dame-UConn
halftime score: 20-17. Neither of these teams deserve to go to the tournament, yet they want to expand it to 96???
"No regrets, that's my motto. That, and everybody wang chung tonight."
This may be my favorite Round Table answer ever:
1 – I’ve never heard of this “Robert Horry”, and frankly it sounds made-up, but I know one thing for sure: when they replaced my regular coffee with Zaire Taylor I not only couldn’t tell the difference, I had more energy and got everything done in the last minute.
"This team is just one unit that gels so good. We need everybody, but we don’t need nobody." --Mr. Coffee
by Other Side of the Pillow on Mar 3, 2010 8:30 PM CST reply actions
ZT for sure
Bob – others dribble penetrate and then dish to him for an open 3.
ZT – he dribbles the length of the court, dribble penetrates, and takes it to the hoop.
ZT’s done it in different ways.
I do give Horry credit for doing it with multiple teams.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
Rob has always been a
Right Place, Right Time kinda guy. Taylor is more of an I’m gonna take it and I’m gonna make it type. Both seem to stay loose when everyone else on the floor tightens up, which is always impressive.

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