Study Hall: Mizzou vs Kansas -- Oof.
Alright, let's pick the scab...
Your trifecta: Bowers-Ramsey-Taylor. That's right. Bowers-Ramsey-Taylor. We'll investigate how that happens below. But first ... your winner: NOBODY. SHOCKING.
Kansas 77, Missouri 56
| Mizzou |
KU | |
| Points Per Minute |
1.40 | 1.93 |
| Points Per Possession (PPP) |
0.83 | 1.14 |
| Points Per Shot (PPS) |
0.86 | 1.35 |
| 2-PT FG% | 46.5% | 53.3% |
| 3-PT FG% | 13.6% | 50.0% |
| FT% | 70.0% | 73.3% |
| True Shooting % | 40.3% | 60.5% |
| Mizzou | KU | |
| Assists | 12 | 12 |
| Steals | 9 | 7 |
| Turnovers | 11 | 19 |
| Ball Control Index (BCI) (Assists + Steals) / TO |
1.91 | 1.00 |
| Mizzou | KU | |
| Expected Offensive Rebounds | 15 | 10 |
| Offensive Rebounds | 13 | 14 |
| Difference | -2 | +4 |
A Game of Runs
This game saw four major runs, two from each team. Unfortunately, Kansas showed just how absolutely frightening they are during their runs -- when they sniff blood, they grab every rebound, they shoot about 85%, and they absolutely murder you.
Mizzou Run #1: Mizzou 13, Kansas 5 (put Mizzou up 17-10)
Kansas Run #1: Kansas 18, Mizzou 0 (put Kansas up 42-24)
Mizzou Run #2: Mizzou 16, Kansas 2 (cut Kansas' lead to 44-40)
Kansas Run #2: Kansas 22, Mizzou 4 (expanded Kansas' lead to 66-44)
In Mizzou's two runs, they outscored Kansas 29-7. Not bad at all.
In Kansas' two runs, they outscored Mizzou 40-4. Good god.
Can't Shoot, Can't Win
When these two teams played at Allen Field House in January, Mizzou had a True Shooting % of 41.4% (terrible) and averaged 0.89 points per possession. This afternoon, despite better ball movement and a multitude of better looks ... Mizzou had a True Shooting % of 40.3% and averaged 0.83 points per possession. As they have all season, Mizzou once again proved that shooting is contagious with them. Oklahoma State proved that to beat KU you have to get super hot, preferably from 3-point range. Going 3-for-22 from beyond the arc is, to say the least, not going to get the job done. Marcus Denmon was shooting blanks, Zaire Taylor had Senior Day jitters (I guess), and for the game's first 37 minutes, only Kim English made a 3-pointer. And he made just two.
For the third straight game without Justin Safford, Mizzou averaged fewer than 0.90 points per possession (their season average: 1.10) ... and for the third straight game, I'm left wondering how much of it actually had to do with Safford's absence. Mizzou's bigs went 9-for-17 on 2-pointers today, which isn't great, but it really isn't any worse than they'd have done with Safford in the lineup taking some of those shots. Instead, Mizzou's guards once again missed good looks that they have to be able to make, and it's pretty frightening. Mizzou is now 11-for-59 from 3-point range (18.6%) in the last three games, after going 20-for-33 (60.6%) against Nebraska and Colorado. Yes, the competition has improved in (at least two of) the last three games, but still ... that's a ridiculous difference.
We head to the postseason with no clue whatsoever what to expect. If Mizzou can't make open shots against Nebraska, they might lose and limp into the NCAA Tournament as a 10-seed or so. But if they find their misplaced stroke, they could pretty easily find themselves with a third shot at Kansas in the Big 12 semis on Friday. It is a complete crapshoot at this point.
Bad Shooting and Bad Luck? That's just mean.
I mean ... exactly how many times did Mizzou tip a KU pass (or missed shot) right to an open KU player? It's not really far to get horribly outplayed AND get no breaks.
The Talent Gap
So ... let's just say that Mizzou's two games against Kansas this year were not the best "Recruiting rankings don't matter" argument. Bill Self has put together a pretty sickening amount of talent in Lawrence this year, and if you put together enough talent and mix in a little experience, then you can absolutely run decent teams off the court sometimes.
To take a look at the "talent gap" between KU and the two rivals who thought they had a chance to knock them off this week, let's look at each team's top ten in terms of minutes per game, and the star ratings Rivals.com gave them when they were recruited. The players with the strikethrough font are either seniors or players I'm expecting to go pro after this season (i.e. Xavier Henry and Cole Aldrich). It is, of course, possible that somebody surprising goes pro (Curtis Kelly, Marcus Morris), but it's not likely. My best guess is, Henry and Aldrich will be gone and that's it. This also ignores any potential transfers, of course.
| Kansas | K-State | Mizzou | |||
| Player | Stars | Player | Stars | Player | Stars |
| Jacob Pullen | 3 | ||||
| Curtis Kelly | 5 | Kim English | 3 | ||
| Marcus Morris | 4 | Jamar Samuels | 3 | ||
| Tyshawn Taylor | 4 | Dominique Sutton | 4 | Laurence Bowers | 3 |
| Brady Morningstar | 3 | Marcus Denmon | 3 | ||
| Markieff Morris | 4 | Rodney McGruder | 4 | Justin Safford | 3 |
| Tyrel Reed | 3 | Wally Judge | 5 | Mike Dixon, Jr. | 3 |
| C.J. Henry | 3 | Martavious Irving | 3 | Miguel Paul | 3 |
| Thomas Robinson | 4 | Jordan Henriquez- Roberts |
3 | Steve Moore | 3 |
| TOTAL | 39 | TOTAL | 36 | TOTAL | 29 |
It's actually a little surprising to realize that K-State is that close to Kansas in terms of star ratings -- Curtis Kelly was initially a 5-star signee for UConn a few years ago, we all know about Wally Judge's resume, and both Dominique Sutton and Rodney McGruder were highly-touted as well. Of course, in terms of top five players, neither KSU (18) nor Mizzou (14) can come close to KU (22).
However, look what happens next season. Players in italics are my best guess for who will be filling the empty rotation spots.
| Kansas | K-State | Mizzou | |||
| Player | Stars | Player | Stars | Player | Stars |
| Marcus Morris | 4 | Jacob Pullen | 3 | Kim English | 3 |
| Tyshawn Taylor | 4 | Curtis Kelly | 5 | Laurence Bowers | 3 |
| Brady Morningstar | 3 | Jamar Samuels | 3 | Marcus Denmon | 3 |
| Markieff Morris | 4 | Dominique Sutton | 4 | Justin Safford | 3 |
| Tyrel Reed | 3 | Rodney McGruder | 4 | Mike Dixon, Jr. | 3 |
| C.J. Henry | 3 | Wally Judge | 5 | Miguel Paul | 3 |
| Thomas Robinson | 4 | Martavious Irving | 3 | Steve Moore | 3 |
| Mario Little | 4 | Jordan Henriquez- Roberts |
3 | John Underwood / Tyler Stone |
3 |
| Elijah Johnson | 5 | Nick Russell | 3 | Tony Mitchell | 5 |
| Travis Releford | 4 | Freddy Asprilla | 3 | Phil Pressey | 4 |
| TOTAL | 38 | TOTAL | 36 | TOTAL | 33 |
Even though KU has had the 'problem' of not being able to fit a 5-star signee (PG Elijah Johnson) into the rotation this season, the loss of two 5-star players (Collins, X. Henry) will drop their overall star total a smidge. KSU's will stay the same ... and Mizzou's rises a pretty significant amount.
Now ... this doesn't take into account experience or system fit, and I know that. But it's nice to see that in the near future, the overall talent gap will close at least a little bit. Whatever it takes to get to sleep at night, right?
Mizzou Player Stats
| Player | AdjGS* | GmSc/Min | Line |
| Laurence Bowers | 15.4 | 0.53 | 29 Min, 10 Pts (5-for-11 FG), 6 Reb (3 Off), 3 Blk, 2 Stl |
| Keith Ramsey | 12.5 | 0.35 | 36 Min, 8 Pts (4-for-8 FG, 0-for-2 3PT), 6 Reb (4 Off), 2 Ast |
| Zaire Taylor | 9.0 | 0.28 | 32 Min, 5 Pts (2-for-9 FG, 1-for-5 3PT), 4 Reb, 3 Stl, 2 Ast |
| Kim English | 8.6 | 0.29 | 30 Min, 16 Pts (4-for-14 FG, 2-for-6 3PT, 6-for-8 FT), 2 Reb, 3 TO |
| Miguel Paul | 4.8 | 0.97 | 5 Min, 0 Pts (0-for-0 FG), 3 Ast |
| J.T. Tiller | 3.9 | 0.14 | 27 Min, 9 Pts (4-for-7 FG), 3 Reb, 4 TO |
| Mike Dixon | 1.9 | 0.16 | 12 Min, 4 Pts (2-for-6 FG, 0-for-2 3PT) |
| Steve Moore | -0.8 | -0.08 | 10 Min, 0 Pts (0-for-1 FG), 2 Blk |
| Marcus Denmon | -1.4 | -0.07 | 19 Min, 4 Pts (2-for-9 FG, 0-for-5 3PT), 3 Reb (3 Off), 2 TO |
* AdjGS = a take-off of the Game Score metric (definition here) accepted by a lot of basketball stat nerds. It takes points, assists, rebounds (offensive & defensive), steals, blocks, turnovers and fouls into account to determine an individual's "score" for a given game. The "adjustment" in Adjusted Game Score is simply matching the total game scores to the total points scored in the game, thereby redistributing the game's points scored to those who had the biggest impact on the game itself, instead of just how many balls a player put through a basket.
- You know you probably didn't win when your three trifecta players combined for just 23 points.
- While his shooting numbers ended up looking average at best, this was a helluva performance from Laurence Bowers. He was the catalyst of Mizzou's first run. He was grabbing boards, blocking shots on the break, making jumpers, and doing everything he possibly could to build a lead for the Tigers. He was outstanding today.
- Keith Ramsey was just horrific offensively, shooting a couple of ill-advised (to say the least) 3's and making a couple of awful passes. Meanwhile, he played stellar defense, but not in ways that reflect in the box score -- he had just one steal and no blocks. But his work on the offensive glass and the simple fact that he didn't shoot terribly (4-for-6 on 2-pointers) got him a surprise second-place finish in the trifecta.
- Last week against K-State, Steve Moore scored zero points and ended up with third place in the trifecta. Today, the Steve Moore Award went to Zaire Taylor, who scored an egregious five points on nine shots but, thanks to his steals, rebounds and passing, still managed to make a decent impact on the game as a whole.
- Kim English brought his A-game today ... at times. When Mizzou was making their two runs, he was right in the thick of it. But when it was clear that a majority of his teammates didn't have much going on today, Good Kimmeh started making some Bad Kimmie mistakes. His three turnovers and ten missed shots ended up unexpectedly dropping him out of the trifecta.
- Miguel Paul played five minutes and took zero shots ... and was fifth in AdjGS. Yikes.
(In other news, his three assists in five minutes is pretty damn impressive, no?) - Once again, Mike Dixon shot well on 2's (2-for-4) and horribly on 3's (0-for-2). His is a mid-range game, and while he's shown during a couple of streaks that he does have the potential to make 3's, his shot is the opposite of reliable right now.
Actually ... it is reliable, really. Just not the good kind of reliable. LOVE this kid, though, and I still can't wait to see what he's capable of in the coming seasons. - Marcus, Marcus, Marcus. Just don't really ever know what to expect from you.
Three Keys Revisited
From yesterday's preview.
The Two-Knockdown Rule Is In Effect
Indeed, Mizzou survived one knockdown (the one that quickly erased Mizzou's 7-point lead) ... but not two. The 16-0 run that ended the first half was an absolute debacle in every way. What was a 6-point game with 2:00 left in the first half, was a 16-point game two minutes later thanks to a series of Mizzou misses, two Sherron Collins 3's, and a Collins steal-and-layup at the buzzer. Yes, Mizzou clawed back to within four points, resulting in another huge KU run (and the rare double-knockout), but the 16-0 run was exactly what KU has done all year, and it was exactly what Mizzou had to avoid.
R-E-B-O-U-N-D
Mizzou was -6 in terms of expected rebounds, and you know what? I'm okay with that. That's really not too bad against a huge team like Kansas. Unfortunately, they just missed too many damn shots for it to matter.
It's Your Time, Kim
Kim English showed up, ready to play his part today. So did Laurence Bowers. Others? Not so much.
Mizzou in Big 12 Play
| Mizzou |
Opp. | |
| Points Per Minute |
1.80 | 1.71 |
| Points Per Possession (PPP) |
1.05 | 1.00 |
| Points Per Shot (PPS) |
1.20 | 1.23 |
| 2-PT FG% | 44.8% | 46.6% |
| 3-PT FG% | 34.5% | 32.8% |
| FT% | 72.8% | 69.2% |
| True Shooting % | 52.0% | 52.1% |
| Mizzou | Opp. | |
| Assists/Gm | 12.6 | 11.6 |
| Steals/Gm | 9.1 | 6.4 |
| Turnovers/Gm | 12.9 | 17.8 |
| Ball Control Index (BCI) |
1.68 | 1.01 |
| Mizzou | Opp. | |
| Expected Offensive Rebounds/Gm | 13.6 | 12.8 |
| Offensive Rebounds/Gm | 13.1 | 13.9 |
| Difference | -0.5 | +1.1 |
| Player | AdjGS* | GmSc/Min | Line |
| Laurence Bowers | 10.9 | 0.47 | 23.2 MPG, 9.5 PPG, 5.8 RPG, 1.2 BPG, 1.1 APG, 1.2 TOPG |
| Marcus Denmon | 10.9 | 0.48 | 23.0 MPG, 10.9 PPG, 2.8 RPG, 1.4 APG |
| Zaire Taylor | 9.8 | 0.34 | 28.9 MPG, 8.9 PPG, 3.5 RPG, 2.4 APG, 1.6 SPG, 1.1 TOPG |
| Justin Safford | 9.3 | 0.43 | 21.7 MPG, 9.9 PPG, 4.5 RPG, 1.2 APG, 1.2 TOPG |
| Keith Ramsey | 8.6 | 0.31 | 27.8 MPG, 6.3 PPG, 5.4 RPG, 1.3 SPG, 1.1 APG, 1.1 BPG, 2.1 TOPG |
| Kim English | 8.3 | 0.33 | 25.4 MPG, 12.4 PPG, 3.7 RPG, 1.1 APG, 2.1 TOPG |
| J.T. Tiller | 7.0 | 0.29 | 24.1 MPG, 8.3 PPG, 3.6 RPG, 2.8 APG, 1.3 SPG, 2.6 TOPG |
| Mike Dixon | 4.3 | 0.30 | 14.4 MPG, 5.6 PPG |
| Miguel Paul | 2.1 | 0.23 | 9.4 MPG, 2.5 PPG |
| Steve Moore | 1.0 | 0.11 | 9.3 MPG, 0.8 PPG, 1.5 RPG |
Since Justin Safford's injury, Mizzou's offensive numbers have plummeted, while their rebounding and defensive numbers have improved ... just as we guessed would happen.
Summary
We'll get into how the Big 12 Tourney shapes up for Mizzou later. For now, we'll just say that it's funny how right we were about both Missouri at the beginning of the season. We knew they would still be good defensively, we knew they would be athletic, we knew they had enough young, explosive talent in guys like Kim English that they would have some great games. Of course, we also knew they would be young and inconsistent, we knew they would not be the best rebounding team in the world ... and we were quite concerned that this team just didn't have enough pure offensive talent to play at a sustained, high level. Sure enough, that's what we saw this year.
Of course, when you see every game a team plays, you come to realize that being an iffy offensive team doesn't mean being equally iffy every game. Some games, they have been unstoppable. Hell, they entered today ranked 35th in the country in 3-point percentage. They were 113th last season! Of course, when it's off, it's off even worse than we feared. It's "shooting 13.6% from 3-point range, at home, against their #1 rival" off. Whenever Mizzou does lose in the NCAA Tournament, shooting will probably take them down.
But in the meantime, they a) still have quite a bit of potential to win a few more games, and b) no matter what happens the rest of the season, even if they go 0-2 and it's over, they have already achieved the baseline level of what they needed to achieve this year: simply making the NCAA Tournament. Even if they lose to Nebraska, they're in. They were picked 7th in the conference, were not expected to make the tourney, and they're going to make the tourney. They're working on closing the talent gap, their sophomores will be juniors next year, and a game like today's -- a stupid, stupid, crappy, unlucky, straight-up bad game -- is just a bump in the road.
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I really hope we have a rematch on Friday and win.
That would be awesome if we could beat them in KC.
"Sometimes when Will Ebner tackles people, I think they are going to explode on impact."
No need to express thoughts on the game, its wasnt pretty and its midnight so time to think about nebraska
Looking ahead:This was suppose to be a rebuilding year, similar to football, we got what expected and possibly more. 10-6 in conference. I am happy, and extremely excited for the next 2 years of this basketball team. I think we all have something we to be looking forward too
Great moments are born from great opportunity.
I'd be real interested
in what Steve Moore’s +/- was today. My guess is that it was like -15 in 10 minutes.
"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."
by Transmogrified Tiger on Mar 7, 2010 12:17 AM CST reply actions
His first shift was probably +7
The rest of the time was probably about -48.
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Seriously.
When he had that monster block, I thought “Oh, it’s on, now. Steve is finally going to get confident and do some good.” Oh, how wrong I was. It’s okay, though, Steve. You’ll get there.
Making fun of the "Mizzou Needs a Fullback" Club since...well, for a while, anyway.
my thoughts
we got a great effort from arguably the best team in the country and had we made our normal amount of 3’s (which was very possible considering there were at least 5 wide open attempts we missed) we would have been right in it at the end.
this gives me some encouragement in that we could have made those shots but it also makes me worry because no one knows if we will make those shots.
i mean, we didn’t even have to be hot today from 3 as everyone thought. we simply had to make our normal percentage. hopefully we get matched up with teams that don’t have the greatest perimeter D.
"Sorry about him, he's dealing with being an inker. " - Chasing Amy
my thoughts exactly
you could quote me in the live thread saying 1-11 from three in the first half was at least unsustainably bad. well, we followed that up by going 2-11 from three in the second half. ouch. and like you said, it wasn’t even that their defense was especially good (it was) but we were missing open looks, especially marcus denmon and zaire taylor. those guys were simply awful from three.
but like you said, it’s encouraging to know that we can play with anyone in the country if we’re making our open shots.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Mar 7, 2010 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
To me, it was a fair result, BUT
Kim drove me nuts (per usual, I have an unnecessary dislike for him given his large amount of off balance jumpers) and everyone else couldn’t hit from 3 to save their lives. Still, there were some signs of life (I guess?). Being swept by this Kansas team is no shame, but I feel like a solid Mizzou performance at home could have made it a competitive game. It all comes back to their size vs. ours and the fact that Mizzou has relied on jump shots all year. I can’t wait for next year, but this team has surpassed expectations for me and it shows that Mike Anderson’s Mizzou will be a contender in the Big 12 every year.
You know, we still have 10 games left this season.
"Sometimes when Will Ebner tackles people, I think they are going to explode on impact."
After looking at the headline in the Tribune this morning...
My wife replied…“that’s ok, we’ll kick them in the jibblets.”
kU, you’re on notice…if you see my wife, watch the groin.
Formerly known as Mizzou Grad
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ESPN just explained to me why we lost!
Keith Strafford, our “big man” was out yesterday.
"This team is just one unit that gels so good. We need everybody, but we don’t need nobody." --Mr. Coffee
by Other Side of the Pillow on Mar 7, 2010 11:06 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
really? really?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Mar 7, 2010 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
We will NOT sit here
and listen while you bad-mouth the United States of America! GENTLEMEN!
/leads the Deltas out of the meeting humming the SSB
"This team is just one unit that gels so good. We need everybody, but we don’t need nobody." --Mr. Coffee
by Other Side of the Pillow on Mar 7, 2010 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
Here's my 2 cents...
If you had told me that Mizzou would go 22-9 overall, 10-6 in the league, be in the hunt for a bye in the Big 12 Tournament until the final weekend and are GUARANTEED an NCAA tournament bid BEFORE the season started…I would have said SIGN ME UP!
This team was young, not expected to do much (maybe grab an NIT bid) and definately not in the top half of the best college basketball league in the country.
That said, am I disappointed that we COULD have done better and didn’t…yes. Do I think this is a disappointing season…No. Can Missouri do some REAL damage in the NCAA tournament…As long as we don’t run into another Big 12 team ABSOLUTELY! I feel like this could be a Sweet 16 team again WITH all the bugaboos they have and THAT excites me!
There is a God and I'm not it, after that EVERYTHING is subjective. Be careful for what you wish for, you just might GET IT!
The great thing is:
We have a team that if Denmon and English can get hot for a few games all of a sudden you’re really deep in the tournament. Say we get an 8 seed and play somebody like California in round 1. If you get guys hot and Bowers and Ramsey play underneath, you can get a win against them. Then you get a 1 seed and once again if some shooters get hot you can win the game.
"Sometimes when Will Ebner tackles people, I think they are going to explode on impact."
somebody else mentioned this yesterday
next years lineup:
seniors: safford
juniors: paul, english, denmon, bowers, moore
sophs: dixon, stone/underwood
frosh: mitchell, pressey
thats a hell of a team. and the year after? looks like we’ll only lose safford, and be a year older, more experienced, plus more of mikes freshman.
thats the look of a program on not just the rise, but an astronomical growth.
im gonna be a freshman at mizzou in the fall. i think i just might see four of the best mizzou basketball teams…ever.
Think about 2011-2012.
What’s the starting lineup there?
All the seniors of that year could be starters, Dixon will be good enough to start, Stone and Underwood will develop and would be key bench guys, and Mitchell and Phil Pressey could be good enough to start as sophomores.
Possible lineups:
Dixon
English
Bowers
Mitchell
Moore
Paul
Denmon
English
Bowers
Mitchell
Dixon
Paul
English
Bowers
Mitchell
Dixon
Pressey
Denmon
Bowers
Moore
Paul
Pressey
Denmon
Bowers
Mitchell
…Okay, you get the idea.
"Sometimes when Will Ebner tackles people, I think they are going to explode on impact."
I'm gonna just be completely honest while some of you are not
Our team has gone shit cold from behind the arc. you could take a random guy off the street who could make a tenth of his 3 pointers out of pure luck. These guys call themselves basketball players. I see a bunch of bums out there.
You see a bunch of bums out there?
Okay….
"Sometimes when Will Ebner tackles people, I think they are going to explode on impact."
Cause CHAMPIONS PAY THE PRICE!
/RtT is still awesome
Seriously though, the last 5 games Mizzou is shooting 33% from the arc. In the last 7 games, they are shooting…wait for it…33% from the arc. To no surprise, they are making it rain against crappy teams and can’t buy a shot against strong teams. Obviously we’d like to see a better showing against good teams, but if teams have a strong shot-blocking presence, they’re going to pressure the perimeter and funnel the dribble drive towards the shot blocker. It’s not about them being a bunch of bums, it’s a bit of a personnel mismatch. A mismatch overcome by quicker ball movement, lots of passing, and having more possessions due to turnovers at the other end.
"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."
by Transmogrified Tiger on Mar 7, 2010 7:11 PM CST up reply actions
Let's break this down:
Our team has gone s*** cold from behind the arc. you could take a random guy off the street who could make a tenth of his 3 pointers out of pure luck.
Fair.
These guys call themselves basketball players. I see a bunch of bums out there.
The same group of guys you said deserved to be ranked No. 13 in the country after beating Texas? It must be exhausting running so far to each side of the fence every time Mizzou wins or loses.
by RPT on Mar 7, 2010 7:13 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Do you see the way this team plays defense?
We play tenacious day, do a good job of forcing turnovers while not committing too many ourselves, we can create some easy baskets with some ball movement and we have players that do a good job of driving hard into the lane. I’m not disputing that we’ve been shooting poorly the past few games, but the team does not certainly have any bums playing.
"Sometimes when Will Ebner tackles people, I think they are going to explode on impact."
they call it the fastest 40 minutes in basketball
More like Run & Gun and die by the 3. They have no inside presence against any team with a center 6’10’’ or taller.
The Fastest 40 Minutes is as much defensive as it is offensive.
Our defense is probably better than last year’s defense and our offense has been slightly worse because we lost TWO ALL-BIG 12 FORWARDS THAT INCLUDED A FIRST-ROUND NBA DRAFT PICK.
Did you really expect three players, 2 with no more than a year of D1 experience and 1 who played sparingly is first 2 years, to jump in and have the same impact as guys like Demarre Carroll and Leo Lyons? Bowers is getting there, Ramsey is more of a defensive player with little natural offensive talent (AND STILL IS VERY PRODUCTIVE ON THAT END) and Justin Safford was playing very well until he got hurt. Steve Moore is not ready to get really big-time minutes yet and his offensive game needs a lot of developing.
Because we have a slight lacking down low (especially now that Safford is gone) we must rely on our shooting a little more, which just hasn’t been good lately. Remember, a lot of our success this year has also come without great shooting. Think about Old Dominion, KSU, Tech, Nebraska, ISU x2, and Texas. Then think about games where the shots did fall, like Nebraska v2, Colorado x2, Illinois, Georgia, and Oregon.
"Sometimes when Will Ebner tackles people, I think they are going to explode on impact."
Don't even waste your time
Some people don’t understand what a “down year” is…even when it’s better than any “down year” we’ve had in recent memory.
by CPC on Mar 7, 2010 7:30 PM CST up reply actions
You know who has a ton of talented big men and take a ton of free throws?
Kansas State.
You know what K-State’s conference record is when they don’t shoot 35% from 3? 4-4
You know what Mizzou’s conference record is when they don’t shoot 35% from 3? 4-5
"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."
by Transmogrified Tiger on Mar 7, 2010 7:29 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, but...
…THEY HAVE LUIS COLON AND HE’S 6’10.
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RAWR!!!!
FIRE PINKEL ANDERSON!!!!!
WE NEED A FULLBACK CENTER!!!!!
RAWR!!!!
by CPC on Mar 7, 2010 7:31 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Two For One
FIRE PINKEL ANDERSON!!!!! ALDEN!!!!!!
"Sometimes when Will Ebner tackles people, I think they are going to explode on impact."
We weren't bitching about height
this time last year.
"This team is just one unit that gels so good. We need everybody, but we don’t need nobody." --Mr. Coffee
by Other Side of the Pillow on Mar 7, 2010 7:58 PM CST reply actions
Because we had two Seniors in their fourth years at the D1 level, one of which had another year
where he sat out due to NCAA transfer rules.
"Sometimes when Will Ebner tackles people, I think they are going to explode on impact."
I know why we weren't bitching.
We were winning. Frankly, we’re still winning. My point is, if one wants to make the argument that we should fire CMA for not having a player over 6’ 9" tall, that argument was equally valid last year. As for me, I know that CMA will be here next year. I’m GLAD CMA will be here next year. I know that we are going to exceed 20 wins again. I know that we’re not going to exceed 6’ 9" again. We need to be able to see past the end of our noses and see that our greatest assets are sophomores, and they are going to beget our next greatest assets. The state of this program is light years ahead of where it was 5 years ago… and we are reaping the benefits. Slowly but surely, we are closing the talent gap on our rival. Petulantly striking out at the coach because we lost to the bastard crows is not helpful to anyone. I feature that the future is bright for our Tigers, and I am confident that the result is not going to end up being forfeited Final Four appearances and vacated victories. I don’t accept that 22-9 qualifies for a “down year”. It’s not as good as last year, but there are quantifiable reasons why. What is important is that Coach parlayed last year’s success into phenomenal incoming talent and minimized the impact of the talent loss from last year’s squad this year. Don’t get me wrong— I was gutted by yesterday’s loss and I’ve been as frustrated at times by some things as anyone else… but it has not affected my big-picture view of where we’re at and where we’re going… which is much farther along and much farther than anytime since the mid-90s and it feels good.
"This team is just one unit that gels so good. We need everybody, but we don’t need nobody." --Mr. Coffee
by Other Side of the Pillow on Mar 7, 2010 10:03 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
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I don’t accept that 22-9 qualifies for a "down year". It’s not as good as last year, but there are quantifiable reasons why.
I’d like to clarify that I wasn’t saying we had a down year…I was saying we were expected to have one. I compare this basketball season to this past football season…young players, rebuilding year and high expectations after this year. Ironically, it was Illinois both times that have caused people to start to have higher expectations for both the football and basketball teams.
22-9 in a rebuilding year is more than acceptable, just as 8-4 was at this point in the football season.
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Anderson is a GREAT coach and has done amazing things with teams that aren’t supposed to be any better than mediocre. 6’9" is big enough if they’re good enough. I really don’t see that 1 or 2 inches making that much of a difference if the talent is there. Does anybody else recall Doug Smith? He was 6’9" and could play with any big man out there! I thought Kimmeh looked very good yesterday. He was one of few players who kept driving the basket and forcing KU to foul him. He & Bowers both carried us in portions of the game. I resent hearing our players called “bums” by a supposed Missouri ‘fan’. Saturday not withstanding, this has been a great season and we have achieved a lot for a rebuilding team! Next year is going to be even better!

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