UPDATED Big 12 Basketball Projections
It's only been a week or so since we took a stab at some Big 12 projections (South, North), but things have changed a little bit. Avery Bradley has declared for the draft (though he hasn't hired an agent, and I think there's a decent chance he returns), Willie Warren has declared for the draft (and will quite likely hire an agent), and Mizzou's transfer rumors, while still not at full fruition, certainly appear to be taking shape. It appears all but certain that both Miguel Paul and Tyler Stone will not be in Mizzou uniforms next year (never say never, but the rumors are twelve steps beyond rampant). What does that do to last week's projections? Let's take a look.
Missouri
It's a big recruiting weekend for Mizzou, with two high-profile JUCOs -- Matt Pressey (brother of Phil) and Rivals' #1 JUCO Ricardo Ratliffe -- in town. (Initial word from open scrimmages is that they're both as good as advertised or better ... though this comes from open scrimmages, and I guess we know how impressions from them should be taken with a grain of salt). Regardless, with any luck, I'll be having to update these projections again in the next week after a couple of commitments roll in, but for now we'll stay conservative and pretend that nobody else is coming to campus. Here are the new projections, assuming Paul and Stone are indeed gone.
| Player | 09-10 AdjGS/Min. |
Proj. AdjGS/Min. |
Proj. AdjGS/Gm. |
| Laurence Bowers (6'8, 205, Jr.) | 0.54 | 0.52 | 13.9 |
| Marcus Denmon (6'3, 185, Jr.) | 0.45 | 0.46 | 11.9 |
| Kim English (6'6, 200, Jr.) | 0.41 | 0.43 | 11.6 |
| Mike Dixon (6'1, 175, So.) | 0.40 | 0.38 | 9.0 |
| Justin Safford (6'8, 230, Sr.) | 0.37 | 0.36 | 7.2 |
| Tony Mitchell (6'8, 220, Fr.) | N/A | 0.35 | 6.9 |
| Phil Pressey (5'10, 160, Fr.) | N/A | 0.28 | 5.6 |
| Steve Moore (6'9, 264, Jr.) | 0.13 | 0.25 | 3.4 |
| John Underwood (6'9, 208, So.) | 0.22 | 0.27 | 2.1 |
| Ricky Kreklow (6'5, 185, Fr.) | N/A | 0.23 | 1.8 |
| TOTAL | 73.6 | ||
| LAST YEAR |
77.3 | ||
| DIFFERENCE | -3.7 |
Previous Projected Difference: -0.7.
Without Paul, Phil Pressey would take on more minutes, and as a freshman, that's not necessarily a good thing. Plus, this has a further negative impact on Mizzou's overall team defense. At this point, Mizzou will need strong defensive performance from both a sophomore (Mike Dixon) and a freshman (Pressey), and that's never guaranteed.
This really is a pretty big weekend for Mizzou. We've all talked and read about Ratliffe's prowess -- nothing like bringing in a guy who averaged 27 & 12 in JUCO last year -- and clearly he's the #1 attraction for the weekend ... but Matt Pressey could be as important. He's a 6'2 combo guard known as much for his defense as his offense. If he plays for Mizzou next year, he could potentially be good for 10-14 MPG and steady defense, and for a suddenly thin backcourt, that's a big deal.
Oklahoma
When I drew up OU's projections the first time around, I mentioned that I was expecting Tiny Gallon to be gone and Willie Warren to return. In massive projected minutes, I had Warren averaging 16.9 AdjGS/Gm. Now that he has jumped for the pros ... wow. Assuming Gallon is gone, OU is down to eight scholarship players, three of which would be freshmen next year, and three sophomores. The Sooners are still heavy on the recruiting trail and have at least a couple of JUCO transfers on the immediate radar screen, but at this exact moment, things are horrible. Warren is basically replaced in the rotation by a walk-on (T.J. Franklin), and OU absolutely plummets. This is more extreme than the projections will probably end up, but as with Mizzou, I wanted to run projections based on no further commits, so here you go.
| Player | 09-10 AdjGS/Min. |
Proj. AdjGS/Min. |
Proj. AdjGS/Gm. |
| Cade Davis (6'5, 199, Sr.) | 0.33 | 0.33 | 10.9 |
| Andrew Fitzgerald (6'8, 258, So.) | 0.30 | 0.33 | 9.5 |
| Steven Pledger (6'4, 217, So.) | 0.24 | 0.28 | 9.5 |
| T.J. Taylor (6'3, 205, Fr.) | N/A | 0.28 | 8.5 |
| Orlando Allen (6'10, 288, Sr.) | 0.19 | 0.24 | 4.6 |
| Kyle Hardrick (6'8, 229, So.) | 0.21 | 0.26 | 4.5 |
| Cameron Clark (6'7, 200, Fr.) | N/A | 0.28 | 4.2 |
| Tyler Neal (6'6, 175, Fr.) | N/A | 0.18 | 2.6 |
| T.J. Franklin (5'11, 166, Jr.) | -0.22 | 0.10 | 1.0 |
| TOTAL | 55.3 | ||
| LAST YEAR |
72.1 | ||
| DIFFERENCE | -16.8 |
Previous Projected Difference: -7.4
Whereas Mizzou has six players projected at 0.35 AdjGS/Min or higher, OU currently has ... none. Wow. They were already projected in a tie for last place without Warren, and now ... well, now there's no tie for last place.
Texas
I'm almost hesitant to go ahead and count Avery Bradley as gone -- I think there's a very good chance he comes back next season after getting draft feedback. He's not a physical freak (he's 6'2, 180), and he was only good in 2009-10, not great. But for now, we'll count him as gone and see what happens when his projected 33.5 MPG are removed from the equation.
| Player | 09-10 AdjGS/Min. |
Proj. AdjGS/Min. |
Proj. AdjGS/Gm. |
| Jordan Hamilton (6'7, 226, So.) | 0.43 | 0.45 | 12.9 |
| Varez Ward (6'2, 192, Jr.) | N/A | 0.36 | 12.2 |
| J'Covan Brown (6'1, 185, So.) | 0.32 | 0.34 | 11.5 |
| Gary Johnson (6'6, 238, Sr.) | 0.40 | 0.40 | 8.0 |
| Shawn Williams (6'6, 215, So.) |
0.24 | 0.29 | 6.6 |
| Tristan Thompson (6'9, 240, Fr.) | N/A | 0.35 | 5.6 |
| Dogus Balbay (6'1, 175, Sr.) | 0.30 | 0.31 | 4.3 |
| Jai Lucas (5'10, 150, Sr.) | 0.20 | 0.26 | 3.3 |
| Alexis Wangmene (6'7, 241, Jr.) | 0.25 | 0.35 | 2.9 |
| Clint Chapman (6'10, 239, Sr.) | 0.30 | 0.33 | 1.3 |
| TOTAL | 70.2 | ||
| LAST YEAR |
81.2 | ||
| DIFFERENCE | -11.0 |
Previous Projected Difference: -8.7.
Without either Bradley or any further commits, then J'Covan Brown, Gary Johnson and former 4-star wing Shawn Williams all get more minutes, particularly Williams. While there's still a ton of raw talent on the Texas roster, Bradley is a pretty big key to the overall production and chemistry, and without him, Texas will be relying on more offensively challenged guards like Ward and Balbay.
And again ... I expect to end up adjusting Texas back when Bradley withdraws his name from the draft.
Adjustments
As with last time, all teams decline thanks to conservative projections, so adjustments need to be made so that the total difference is 0.0. Here are the raw differences between last year and next year, along with adjusted differences.
| Team | Raw Diff. | Adj. Diff. |
| Kansas | -2.1 | +4.8 |
| Missouri | -3.7 | +3.2 |
| Kansas State | -3.7 | +3.2 |
| Nebraska | -4.7 | +2.1 |
| Colorado | -4.9 | +2.0 |
| Texas Tech | -5.1 | +1.8 |
| Iowa State | -6.6 | +0.3 |
| Texas A&M | -7.0 | -0.2 |
| Baylor | -7.2 | -0.4 |
| Oklahoma State | -9.7 | -2.8 |
| Texas | -11.0 | -4.1 |
| Oklahoma | -16.8 | -9.8 |
| TOTAL | -82.6 | +0.0 |
Thanks to OU's extreme decline, the adjusted numbers show only three teams declining by more than 0.5 points. And despite losing two All-Americans (Collins, Aldrich), Kansas is now actually projected to lose less production than anybody else in the conference ... you know, the conference they've won for most of the last decade? Yikes.
| 2010-11 Projected Standings |
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| Team | Adj. Diff. | 2009-10 Conf. Pt. Margin |
"New" Pt. Margin |
Proj. Record |
| Kansas | +4.8 | +12.4 | +17.2 | 15-1 |
| Kansas State | +3.2 | +6.0 | +9.2 | 12-4 |
| Missouri | +3.2 | +3.8 | +7.0 | 11-5 |
| Baylor | -0.4 | +6.6 | +6.2 | 10-6 |
| Texas A&M | -0.2 | +3.2 | +3.0 | 9-7 |
| Oklahoma State | -2.8 | +2.2 | -0.6 | 8-8 |
| Texas | -4.1 | +3.1 | -1.0 | 8-8 |
| Colorado | +2.0 | -4.6 | -2.6 | 7-9 |
| Iowa State | +0.3 | -5.8 | -5.5 | 6-10 |
| Texas Tech | +1.8 | -8.6 | -6.8 | 5-11 |
| Nebraska | +2.1 | -10.1 | -8.0 | 5-11 |
| Oklahoma | -9.9 | -8.1 | -18.0 | 1-15 |
I again stayed quite conservative in projecting records. If KU were to really average a +17.2 point margin, they would almost certainly be 16-0, whereas if OU really averaged -18.0, they would almost certainly be 0-16. But with OU as an extreme anchor, we do have an interesting race set up in the bottom half of the conference, where the teams in 8th-11th place win between five and seven games. Really, this would be perfect for the Big 12 in a year where the NCAA might be expanding to 96 teams. At 5-11, Nebraska and/or Texas Tech could see a tourney bid if their non-conference record is good. (For instance, an 11-2 non-con record would lead to a 16-13 overall record with a decent RPI.)
I'll try to resist re-drawing the projections with every bit of recruiting news that emerges over the next couple of weeks, when at the very least, Missouri and Oklahoma could be seeing some additions. Therefore, I'll go ahead and unload a spoiler alert here: with commits from both Older Pressey and Ratliffe, Mizzou's projections would move up to 13-3 ... which would be, um, fun. It sounds at this point as if the odds of landing Pressey are very good or excellent, but Ratliffe will almost certainly still take another visit next weekend (to Cincinnati, I believe) before making a decision. We'll see what happens, but what we do know for sure at this point are a) the loss of Paul really would land a significant blow to Mizzou's backcourt depth if they don't land anybody else, and b) the worst-case scenario for Mizzou next year is still pretty damn good.
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I honestly have no idea what to expect from Missouri next year.
We lost three of our best defenders, will have very little senior leadership, and we don’t know what to expect from the 4 incoming freshman or the two transfers that haven’t even chosen if they want to go here or not (and I’m going to assume we get one of those two guys because I’m not really an optimist).
On the flip side, we have an awesome recruiting class coming in that might do very well, the bulk of our scoring from last year is coming back and we have the possibility of adding 2 JUCO studs to the team. Also, John Underwood could be going on the same diet that Dexter Pittman and Steve Moore used to be on (remember what I said about the fish, John).
I say we could be as good as 12-4 (possibly a bit higher, who knows?), or we could be in another “down” year where we only get (GASP) 10 conference wins.
"And on the first day of Spring, number one has fallen."
Nice to have some depth . . .
Thanks for the update, Bill. It certainly is good to have the depth to absorb some of the blows that go with bigtime college programs these days. Looks like the top three north teams have best positioned themselves for off-season changes. I have to believe the Underwood kid is going to progress as much by next year as Moore did between his freshman and sophomore campaigns. If he does, it is going to get much harder to score on the Tigers in the paint. It would also take some of the rebounding pressure off the guards. Add Mitchell and Green (or one or two Juco bigs if there are qualification problems) and things look good inside. If Paul leaves, that just gives more minutes to Dixon and Phil Pressey, which will pay off big time by the time we get into conference play and the tournament. I have to believe the first roster opening will go to Matt Pressey; with any additional opening definitely going for another big.
Losing Paul and Stone and adding two JUCOs
would give us 6 players graduating after 2011. It was hard enough dealing with that many losses when it was the leftovers from Quin’s tenure, I don’t think it’s a road we really want to go down again.
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by Transmogrified Tiger on Apr 10, 2010 9:02 PM CDT reply actions
Well, Paul would have been in that class anyway...
…so really, we’d only be adding one more. I get what you’re saying, but while it would lead to a helluva rebuilding year (to an extent…we’d still have Pressey, Mitchell (in theory), Kreklow, etc.), it wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world.
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We certainly would have a better remaining roster
but if anything the goal with Paul transferring would be to move that scholarship to another class. Obviously at this stage in the recruiting process there aren’t exactly a truckload of options, but I’ve gotta think there’s another freshman or transfer candidate out there that would keep the junior heavy roster from being even MORE junior heavy going forward.
Not to say that I won’t be happy with Ratliffe and/or Pressey, they both sound like tremendous gets. But I’d also hate for all the progress the program has made to be undermined by a lack of roster balance that torpedoes the team for a year plus.
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by Transmogrified Tiger on Apr 10, 2010 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions
If we're playing the "if" game
I’ve read (perhaps true, perhaps not) may be headed to the NBA after one year anyway- – so if he comes here and if he does leave after one year— in essence they have transferred that scholarship a year earlier— adding one to a very small class (Safford the only for-sure departure) and keeping the next year at 5 scholarships as it is presently. If. :)
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by Other Side of the Pillow on Apr 11, 2010 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions
If CMA keeps up this level of recruiting...
2011 may not be so bad, who’s to say we won’t nab another couple 4-5 star players?
"So we finish the 18th and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, 'Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know".
After all those Quin guys (+Stefhon and Keon) left and gave us an open scholarship:
I’m talking about Grimes, Brown, Hannah, Lawrence, Horton, and I think Volkus was in that class too that gave us scholarships. We used those scholarships to get English, Paul, Bow-wow-ers, Steve Mo’ the Show, Ramsey, and Taylor. I also feel like I’m forgetting somebody too.
Once all these guys leave, we’ll have incoming recruits, a sophomore (or maybe two), a good junior class (Mitchell, P. Pressey, Green, Kreklow), and a couple of senior leaders with Dixon and Underwood. It won’t be too bad.
"And on the first day of Spring, number one has fallen."
Did you make up two nicknames...
in one post?
"So we finish the 18th and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, 'Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know".
Nope. Bo-wow-ers is what Randy Wright would say on the PA after a huge dunk by Laurence.
Steve Mo’ the Show comes from here.
"And on the first day of Spring, number one has fallen."

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