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I've seen quite a bit of consternation among Mizzou fans, not necessarily on RMN, but elsewhere, about how Mike Anderson clearly flirted with Oregon, and how he's more about the money than Mizzou fans thought, and that he's almost certainly going to leave soon.  One fan on another site even went so far as to say (paraphrased) "Part of me wants us to fire him so we at least have some control over the process."

As Mizzou fans, we are extremely spoiled in terms of loyalty -- Norm Stewart coached in Columbia for 32 years, and the last coach of a revenue sport we lost to a bigger job was Dan Devine ... who left to replace Vince Lombardi in Green Bay, a move I would think most of us would understand.  But as RPT said on last night's podcast (which I'm sure you ALL listened to ... possibly twice), welcome to big-time college basketball.  It's always been this way to an extent -- big-time coaches are always getting wooed toward bigger-time jobs -- but it is even more the case today.  If we want a big-time coach, we've got to pay up.  If we can't (and we're pretty much maxed out at the moment), we might lose him.

Maybe we'll have enough money to keep Anderson forever (clearly we don't need the most money to keep him, but we at least have to be semi-competitive), or maybe somebody (cough cough Arkansas) will scrounge around and put together just a stupid offer, to the extent that he has to consider it heavily.  But to make the big-time, you probably have to have a big-time coach ... and big-time coaches get big-time money.  Maybe Anderson will continue to turn down the offers coming his way, but they'll never stop coming at him as long as he's successful.

What drives me the craziest about some fans' reactions, though, is that I'm pretty sure he never actually considered the Oregon job as much as they thought.  Let's parse his official statement from last night.  Obviously official statements are going to have a certain amount of spin to them, but I take this one at least 75-80% at face value.

It’s certainly flattering any time another university notices what your program is accomplishing. And when I was approached by Oregon, I decided to listen, but it was simply with my family in mind.

I said this on Friday in comments, and I'll say it again now: I think about this from a family perspective. Obviously his kids are set for life, but if you can make $10 million over the next five years, or if you can make $25 million over the next five years, eventually you have to start to take stock in your kids’ kids, or kids’ kids’ kids, and how you could pretty much set them up too. It’s all a lot of money, and it’s clear that Anderson isn’t an "I’ll go to the highest bidder" guy, but … at some point, a ridiculous, giant increase is a ridiculous, giant increase, and it would be silly and almost irresponsible not to consider it.  If some company with a bad reputation (Oregon clearly doesn't have a bad reputation -- just makes for a better analogy) came in and offered me a huge raise, I would probably turn it down eventually, but I'd have to think about what my family and I could do with that extra money, right?

Because I said this on Friday, clearly I believed it when Anderson said it Saturday night.

Star-divide

All that quick conversation did was reaffirm that Missouri is home to us.

"Quick" is the key word there, of course.  Clearly he could just be painting a rosy picture, but I'm pretty sure this really was a pretty simple process for Anderson.  He was tracked down by Pat Kilkenny Thursday night, they met, and he either thanked him for his efforts and turned him down, or he said "I need to talk this over with my wife; can I get back with you in the morning?", talked it over with his wife, and decided to turn them down Friday morning.  We know that Kilkenny was out of town by Friday afternoon, and Anderson wasn't anywhere near him, so it's pretty clear that the decision was made by mid-day Friday.

Mike Alden, Chancellor Deaton and President Forsee were supportive throughout this process, and we plan on taking Tiger basketball to new heights. Oregon is a great university, but Mizzou is a special place for me and my family, and I’m proud to be your basketball coach here at Mizzou.

Standard official statement fare here.  In the end, Anderson politely listened to Oregon, took a moment or two (relatively speaking) to consider the offer on the table, and politely turned them down.  So why are Mizzou fans so annoyed?  Because he waited about 28 hours to make an official statement on the matter.  And why would he do that if he had already made up his mind?

Because of this guy.


Mike Anderson. Frank Beamer. Butch Davis. Jimbo Fisher. Phil Fulmer. Lane Kiffin. Houston Nutt. Bill Parcells. Rex Ryan. Nick Saban. Tommy Tuberville.  These guys (plus Tim Tebow, Michael Oher, DeAngelo Williams, and other players) are all represented by Jimmy Sexton's Athletic Resource Management.  Sexton is the Scott Boras of college coaches, and there is a reason his clients love him -- like Boras, he knows how to play the game.

Chances are, Mike Alden knew exactly what he was getting into when he hired a Sexton client, and chances are, the full weekend story from above went something like this:  He was tracked down by Pat Kilkenny Thursday night, they met, and he either thanked him for his efforts and turned him down, or he said "I need to talk this over with my wife; can I get back with you in the morning?", talked it over with his wife, and decided to turn them down Friday morning.  He talked to Sexton, who said "Don't say a word to anybody. Let me make a few phone calls first."  Sexton then tried to yank a few extra dollars from Mike Alden's molars, because that's what really good, really annoying agents do.

In a perfect world, Anderson would have told Sexton not to bother with the phone calls -- he loves Mizzou and wants to be here, so there's no need for last-second negotiation.  But yearning for a perfect world is the fastest way to become cynical enough that you stop enjoying sports.  When Anderson hired Sexton to do his business, the Sexton Treatment came with it, and we will have to deal with it as long as he is at Missouri.

What does this do for Anderson's long-term prognosis at Mizzou?  Nothing, really.  If he doesn't want to leave, he won't leave -- Phil Fulmer, after all, never left Tennessee (by choice).  Frank Beamer is still in Blacksburg.  If Anderson wants to stay, he'll stay, even if there are a few annoying phone calls and days of silence in the process.

Let's not overstate things here: yes, Friday and Saturday were pretty annoying, and yes, Anderson risked at least some temporary loss of good will through his inaction and Sexton's actions.  Even though it appears he did not really flirt much with Oregon, too much flirtation results in a disenchanted fanbase no matter what the product is on the court.  (In 2004, since we didn't have a Mizzou bowl game to attend, we went to the Liberty Bowl just for fun -- Louisville vs Boise State, and it was glorious -- and it was amazing to see the number of Louisville fans who were enjoying the Cardinals' success but were already fed up with Bobby Petrino's flirtation with seemingly every open job that came about and were ready for him to leave.  Anderson does not want that, and even if he isn't really flirting with anybody, his agent's actions risk him building that reputation.)  But this weekend does not even remotely change the long-term forecast for Mizzou and Anderson.  Maybe Arkansas comes at him guns-blazing, and maybe he leaves.  Maybe people come at him every year, and he retires here after 32 years just like Norm did.  Like a fight with a girlfriend (my analogy from yesterday's podcast), this does temporary damage, but the damage is undone as soon as both sides kiss and make up.  This was an annoying weekend, and now it's over, and it's time to go back to getting starry eyes about the 2010-11 season.  If we have to deal with another two-day fight with the girlfriend next April but things continue wonderfully after that, so be it.

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well done, bill.

definitely had some information i didn’t know as well as well-informed, sane opinions on the matter.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 18, 2010 6:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Great piece

This is kind of what I was thinking while everything was happening.

The only thing Oregon had to offer that Mizzou doesn’t already have is Nike money.

Anderson is a smart man, he’s proven that time and time again, but I don’t think he’s arrogant smart. He understands he has a good thing going here and that the pieces have fell into place relatively easy in Columbia and there is no guarantee that would happen at Oregon.

DeMarre transferring in was a perfect storm of CMA getting here and JYD wanting out of Vandy, Tiller following from that UAB commitment, Taylor transferring to play with one of his best friends that ended up never playing together at Mizzou.

Yes if CMA would have left the Pressey’s may have followed but maybe they wouldn’t.

Maybe Arkansas comes calling next year and this happens again, but again, the things he has rolling here would be hard to leave. He’s not taking over for Nolan in Fayeteville and that program is not the same. I think if they do come after him and he turns them down that will be it for these scenarios unless Kentucky, UCLA, etc come calling.

He has built this from scratch and I think he genuinely likes being here. He talks about family and trust (as most coaches do) but he lives by his word. He also had to listen to Oregon, anyone would unless they were working for a family business, which sports rarely is, and I don’t blame him one second.

Now let’s go make some magic happen where he cements his name here and makes him feel like he can’t leave.

by Team on Apr 18, 2010 6:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Rec'd.
A suggestion to those without the constitution to handle such a thing: Back away from the computer.
Lots of folks demanded loyalty, but what they really want is fealty. They want Anderson to accede to their wishes.
Folks, the contract says the coach can leave. The circumstances that govern his departure are memorialized in the buyout section. Welcome to 1978.

by RPT on Apr 18, 2010 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Concur on a lot of this

Although, I believe that our expectations for CMA have been molded by CMA himself. More than once I’ve seen him stand there and say “I’m not going anywhere.” “We’re here to win a national championship at MIzzou.” or similar statement. I believe in jinx and so I stayed away from commenting much during the height of the furor, but in private discussion with my principal Tiger Basketball Friend, I said “I feel like at the end of this, Coach is going to be standing there with his head cocked to the left just a little bit with that rueful grin. He’s gonna shake his head just a little and say ‘I told ya so.’” And he did. Every one of you can visualize exactly what I mean when I say this and it is not because I am gifted in the written language— it is because the CMA brand has been so specifically and solidly created.

If we were to start a blind thread (not possible, I know) with the directive “Using 5 specific, one-word adjectives to describe Coach Anderson and the program he has developed here at the University of Missouri” the deviation in answers is going to be minimal. We’ve all bought it. We all love it. I know the crux of this is aimed in other directions, but our expectations are directly related to the manner in which CMA presents himself in public, out to dinner with his wife (who doesn’t have a story about how AWESOME Coach was when (insert child) came up to him at dinner to talk to hiim?) or even in the public eye. In my mind yesterday, I kept paraphrasing Dennis Green in my head: Coach is who we thought he was. Does he have the right to leave? Absolutely. Will it be next year when Arkansas comes calling? Maybe. I don’t know. I do know that on a very visceral level, I am going to be surprised when it happens. Not because I expect him to stay forever and continue my dream of Tiger Basketball relevance… but because I believe in the CMA brand. I believe him when he says he wants to bring a national championship to MIzzou. I believe he’ll stay until he does. At any rate— I am glad that it’s over. I’m glad coach is staying for now. We know what is on the horizon— and I hope that Mike Alden is working toward heading off what we know is coming this time next year.

"Alcohol may be man's worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy." --Frank Sinatra

by Other Side of the Pillow on Apr 18, 2010 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

wow that was a great comment.

Great Oden's Raven I love Mike "The Predator" Dixon!

by pinkelposse on Apr 19, 2010 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

no sarcasm

Great Oden's Raven I love Mike "The Predator" Dixon!

by pinkelposse on Apr 19, 2010 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't use any quotes from the press release.

That was prepared entirely by Missouri, and they were just waiting for Anderson to approve the release of it.

Annoying You Since 1986

by MUTIGERS86 on Apr 18, 2010 7:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Good stuff

We’re Mizzou fans and we’re paranoid. Most of us have the “This is why we can’t have nice things!” gene implanted at birth; I definitely do. So yeah, I probably overreacted, and yeah, he’ll probably leave for Arkansas some time in the future. But for now, we have a window for big success, and I hope CMA can get us there before he goes, if he goes.

/exhales

If you watch Jaws backwards, it's about a shark that throws people up until they have to open a beach.

by ratherfantastic on Apr 18, 2010 7:48 PM CDT reply actions  

The thing that should keep Mizzou fans up nights

Is what if Anderson really does make a final four or wins NC? Mizzou would have to pony up with $2M or more and I am not sure we can or will.

by nwtiger1 on Apr 18, 2010 8:24 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Here's the thing I realized during this situation

How many very successful power conference coaches have left their school for another job in basketball? I can think of Williams(going home to a Top 5 all-time program), Howland(going to a top 5 program), and Huggins(going home but a mercenary anyway). Can anyone think of any others? It just doesn’t seem that power conference winners leave for new schools, unless they are taking a big step up in prestige, are going back to their roots, or both.

With Anderson, he went to Tulsa, so there’s no risk there. He was an assistant at Arkansas, but they ran his mentor out on a rail, are in an inferior conference, and don’t have much in the way of program cache over Mizzou. It would appear the only logical team that could woo him would be a BIG program, a UCLA, Duke/UNC, MSU/OSU, UConn/Syracuse type deal.

"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."

by Transmogrified Tiger on Apr 18, 2010 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

we will...

winning that kind of banner does things for a whole school and town. Businesses want to hold more “meetings” at games. They’ll fly into the airport, get chow somewhere, go the game, maybe use a hotel. They’ll hob-nob with the AD, the chancellor, and the new mayor (I bet that guy has or will have season tickets this year).

What we get from that could be Monsanto dropping 5 large on a building. Or some Med-tech company setting up a collaboration with the Research Reactor. Or some business taking over the old Osco or Nowell’s building. For the school and the town, that’s a lot of bread. Getting your basketball coach another 500K to facilitate that action is worth it (HI, I’m pimping out our basketball program!! What’s next!)

Anyways, Kronke is going to have to sell his side of the Rams…he’ll have some lettuce to spare.

Formerly known as Mizzou Grad

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by Ausgiano on Apr 18, 2010 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is Kroenke still "our" donor?

I thought that, after the whole Paige Sports Arena backlash that both he and Laurie had switched their loyalty and largess to SMS’ athletic department.

Hup Tijgers

by Dutch Missourian on Apr 19, 2010 3:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

in that regard

I don’t know….but, Stan didn’t have much to do with that situation, and Bill really, really screwed himself. I know 25 mil. is a large sum, but to name a building after your daughter like that….you have to expect criticism (or rioting).

Formerly known as Mizzou Grad

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by Ausgiano on Apr 19, 2010 6:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

kroenke is not selling any part of the rams

he’s actually buying the other 60% he doesn’t own right now. just fyi.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 19, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

No chance the owners

let him get by with the sale without selling his interests in Denver.

Formerly known as Mizzou Grad

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by Ausgiano on Apr 19, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

screw the Rams.

Screw Kroenke and screw Georgia Frontiere. I hope someone buys the Rams and moves them back to LA.

by CPC on Apr 19, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

One thing we haven't emphasized . . .

I am in total agreement with all the thoughtful comments tonight (and over the weekend). I especially liked OSOTP’s piece about Anderson’s self-identity “brand.” There is one thing, though, that I don’t believe has been touched on much – if and when CMA moves on to bigger money or a new challenge, he will leave the MU basketball program in better shape than it has been in years: if ever. That is something he will not take with him, but will leave with us – and I will be extremely grateful for what he has done for me, personally, and for the school that I love. I truly believe, as I have stated probably too many times already, that CMA’s loyalty is to people, not to an institution (which Michael Atchison correctly identified as fealty): loyalty first to his family, secondly to his players, and lastly to us fans who have come to respect him and hope he learns to love our school as much as we. We have been blessed to have him these five years, and hope for at least another five or more. I have no bad feelings toward him whatsoever; in fact, I think he handled this weekend like a gentleman and a professional – and allowed us to act like fans without putting us down or treating us as irrelevant.

by countrycal on Apr 18, 2010 9:01 PM CDT reply actions  

I will hunt ducks to the most joyest level this coming fall

and I may not withhold a perfect shot

for a good enough shot

Duck tastes good, and Anderson is still our coach

Let tigers feast, pray ducks don’t get in the way

- .... .- - .----. ... / .-- .... .- - / ... .... . / ... .- .. -..

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Apr 18, 2010 11:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Next year's PAC-10 Showdown game at Oregon . . .

. . . should be a chance for the Tigers to get some revenge for this past weekend. Maybe another 40-point win AT THEIR HOUSE!

by countrycal on Apr 19, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Meh

Whatever. Since they didn’t succeed in luring CMA, I see no reason to be pissed with them. Just like with Georgia last year, a little pity and a little Ralph Wiggum “HA HA!” seems the more appropriate response here. And I’ll still root for Oregon over USC any day.
Also, their misguided uniform designs are always good for a laugh or two.

Hup Tijgers

by Dutch Missourian on Apr 19, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Is moving to the Big 10 the answer?

If Mizzou is currently maxed out on what it can pay for Anderson right now, how can Mizzou pay him more?

Well first I would say the basketball program could certainly make more money for the University by continuing to win. The more wins, the more high price tickets will be sold and the more likely it gets that Mizzou can pay Anderson the $2M+ it will take to keep him in a few years.

The other option would be to join the Big Ten. A jump to the Big ten would mean an immediate increase of at least $8-10M per year into the athletic department. This money would easily allow Mizzou to pay both Anderson and Pinkel more money, and the move to the Big Ten would most likely not affect basketball recruiting all that much.

by thoran85 on Apr 18, 2010 11:55 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree that moving to the Big 10 would give us greater abilities in that regard

but I don’t think we’re necessarily maxed out on what we can pay Anderson. The combination of the current economic climate at the university, the fact that Anderson got a raise last year, and the fact that he hasn’t yet taken them to the heights that would warrant a huge raise(consistent B12 titles, a Final 4/NC, etc) are more the reason than a cap on what they could ever pay him.

"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."

by Transmogrified Tiger on Apr 19, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Media rant to commense in 3... 2... 1...

Since we’re talking about things we find distasteful in this process, I’ll name Gabe and Mike DeArmond specifically. I love Gabe (and tolerate Mike). My PowerMizzou subscription is well worth the price. I get it that the man has his job to do. Still, the bothersome thing that the media does, without exception, is to try to wrest control over the process while denying it. “Why doesn’t he say something now, or why didn’t he sooner?” “The coach could put an end to this story right now if he wants.” Please. That is the most obnoxious part of this whole thing to me. I get it that the media must report on the story, and further, they often have to report on the worst outcomes even if they’re not all that likely. (It’s the bad news that can kill you.) But it’s the act that annoys me; like the guy who just committed an obvious foul throwing his hands up in that “Who, me? What?” gesture.

The late Ralph Wiley used to say, “the paper comes out everyday,” and few things sell more papers than a coaching carousel story. That story literally has a setup and response for every conceivable action from a coach. There is no possible way for a coach to make a story go away when it’s part of the carousel. If the coach stays without even entertaining an offer, the story is “We may have averted disaster… for now, but who knows how long we’ll be able to keep him if he continues to win.” If the coach listens, but then stays, the story is “Will he eventually leave and/or is he extorting us?” If the coach leaves it’s either “the jilted lover” or “good riddance to bad rubbish” story. These story lines are incessantly used, reused, and remixed—and are all perfectly legitimate. So tell them, but spare me the moralizing—as if taking multiple days to consider a million-plus dollar raise is somehow insensitive. And please, drop the whole “coach could make the story go away” act. It’s insulting.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Apr 19, 2010 7:45 AM CDT reply actions  

so ... should they not report on it?

I’m confused as to what your point is. If it’s that the coverage is predictable, I totally agree. If it’s that journalists are somehow cynically using the coaching serach to sell papers … meh. I’ve worked in journalism for 18 years, and the ZOMG ANDERSON IS LEAVING NO HE’S STAYING will drive sales of the K.C. Star by, maybe, 10 or 15 extra copies. It’s completely insignificant. Web views, of course, are different, but those aren’t well monetized anyhow.

by jschooltiger on Apr 19, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think he was criticizing the moralizing that went on . . .

 . . . as if CMA was somehow wrong in not immediately changing his entire schedule to hold a presser announcing he would not even consider a $2.5 mil increase in income. There was a lot of that going on; demanding an immediate response from the coach and, when not getting one, insinuating that he was somehow “playing” MU and its fans for greater leverage. The man was in the midst of a golf tournament, away from home, and should have been given a couple of days to consider any offer so his family could be involved in the decision.

by countrycal on Apr 19, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

This

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Apr 19, 2010 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Several specific occassions Gabe responded to criticism with...

If Mike Anderson says he’s coming back this story goes completely away. That’s just nonsense. Mike DeArmond said the same thing. I’m singling them out in this particular instance, but I’ve seen others do the same thing.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Apr 19, 2010 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

What's funny about that

Is that Mike Anderson DID come out and say he was coming back. He said Mizzou was the place he wanted to be. But somehow, on PowerMizzou, the story didn’t go away. Instead, it was continually stoked with odds of Anderson’s return, critiques on how he handled the situation, and even the suggestion that Anderson would probably listen “when” Arkansas came calling.

by Ray Lankford on Apr 20, 2010 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have to agree

The worst were the repeated posts Friday / Saturday (every 2 hours or so) along the lines of, “Well, if Coach Anderson doesn’t deny interest within the next hour or two, it gets really bad for Mizzou,” or “The fact that he hasn’t expressly denied interest yet means he’s seriously considering leaving Mizzou or trying to leverage a raise.” Please. Coach Anderson doesn’t need to operate on DeArmond time. Moreover, has it ever occurred to you that you were being used as the mouthpiece of the AD’s office – who would rather not hear about more offers with better pay. (I love PowerMizzou and I think Gabe does a fantastic job. I was just shocked at how out of character he was during this entire process.)

I’m not saying Coach Anderson is right and the administration is wrong, but if the sole basis of criticism is the failure to trip over himself proclaiming loyalty to Mizzou the minute any potential offer is on the horizon, give me a break.

by Ray Lankford on Apr 19, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

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