MIZZOUEXPANSIONAPALOOZA 2010™: So ... That's It, Then?
Thought about what you said to me the other day, about my painting. Stayed up half the night thinking about it. Something occurred to me... fell into a deep peaceful sleep, and haven't thought about you since.
-- yes, I just quoted Good Will Hunting
Yesterday, 60% of Rock M readers responded to a poll by saying that they were in favor of keeping the band Big 12 together, because the fear of the alternative was pretty jarring. Now that it appears to have happened, the reaction from Mizzou fans is ... less than enthusiastic. Why is that? Pretty easy, really.

Yep, quite easy.
Source: Texas making good faith effort for Big 12
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Texas Tech and Oklahoma State would be in a position to offering a lifeline to Missouri, which started all this mess by openly flirting with the Big Ten. Even the Missouri governor. dismissed Tech and Oklahoma State as academic institutions while pining for schools like Wisconsin.
The official storyline does seem to be settling in pretty well -- Mizzou begged and pleaded for Big Ten inclusion, got turned down, and was going to end up in the Mountain West or Conference USA until the South schools, particularly Texas, saved them by keeping the Big 12 together. It doesn't matter that there is no evidence that Mike Alden, Brady Deaton, or Gary Forsee actually said or did anything akin to "begging or pleading"; this is the story we apparently have to get used to.
This was driving me crazy earlier this afternoon. If conferences were all expanding to 16 teams, then Mizzou still had a very good chance at landing in one of them. All hope was not lost. And now, with the rumored deal ready to roll, Missouri still gets to deal with the revenue inequality that one doesn't have to deal with in more stable conferences like the Big Ten or SEC. Frustrating, to say the least.
But now that I've had some time to wind down and detach from the situation, I think there are three things that Mizzou fans needs to keep in mind about today's developments.
1. This is still a pretty good deal.
Despite the unequal revenue sharing, Mizzou now looks to make between about $6 million and $10 million more per year than they currently do. If they don't pull down what the average SEC program does, it's close. Now they can pay their basketball coach and continue to upgrade their facilities and overall athletic program, and when the Big 12-Or-So falls apart in a few years -- and it almost certainly will -- Mizzou will be that much more attractive to potential suitors. This is the healthiest way to look at this.
Mizzou fans are going to try to blame Mike Alden and company for getting taken to the cleaners on this, and there's plenty to be less than thrilled about (we'll get to that), but the bottom line is that the revenue they will soon be receiving will be more than enough to continue improving the program. Everything else is secondary to that.
And beyond that, while Mizzou was probably going to end up in a decent situation when the realignment all shook down, it obviously wasn't guaranteed. And no higher-up from a program like Missouri or Kansas State is going to want to be the one who was at the wheel when their program fell to mid-major status. While a lot of us wanted Mizzou to say "Screw it" and roll the dice ... it's a lot harder to do that when you're in charge. When I'm playing Blackjack on my phone, I always know when to hit on 15 or 16 and when not to, when it's smart to double and when it's not ... but when I'm playing with real money, it's really tough to hit on 15 even when it's the right play. If I were in charge of Mizzou right now, there's absolutely no way I could have even thought about saying no to this. And you know you're in the same boat.
(Plus, for the more spiteful among us, since the conference now appears to be sticking together, we can sit back and enjoy as Nebraska is forced to pay the early exit fee they thought they wouldn't have to pay since they were "forced out" by a collapsing conference.)
2. This is what Mizzou officials wanted.

Yes, it would have probably still worked out well for Mizzou if the conference fell apart, but the potential happy ending was still possibly weeks or months away. That's a lot of hand-wringing and consternation. Fans and employees alike were getting very nervous, and when insecure Mizzou fans get nervous, they get angry. Nobody wants that. If this is what Mizzou officials wanted, then we should probably take that to mean it's a pretty good thing. They absolutely know more about the situation than we ever will.
3. Just say "You're welcome."
Here's the realization that led to my leading off this post with a Good Will Hunting quote (I'm still making fun of myself for that, by the way). If members of rival Big 12-Or-So fanbases want to mock Mizzou for supposedly whoring themselves for a Big Ten bid and falling up short, go with it. Because if Mizzou hadn't spent the last six months "unbuttoning a couple of buttons on their blouse," then Dan Beebe probably wouldn't have spent the last month or two trying to put together the foundation for a new TV deal ... which almost certainly led to the current deal the conference appears to now have in place. So I say with a half-joking, half-serious tone ... you're welcome, guys.
Since the Big Ten originally hinted at expansion, my theory has always been that this was the first time since the Big 12's creation that Mizzou actually had leverage. And while it is unclear to what extent they attempted to utilize that, and how much of it simply came from rumors or paranoia, to some extent it worked. While I certainly wanted my team to end up in the Big Ten, the hope all along was that, if the Big Ten didn't happen, they would end up in an improved Big 12. It's not a conference that is any more equal than before, and clearly Nebraska is a loss, but in terms of money, Mizzou is clearly about to be better off than they were before. The leverage was at least somewhat successful.
Now...
...there are very clearly problems here.
- Revenue sharing and inequality are eventually going to kill this conference. It is almost certainly going to happen one day. As soon as this TV deal fails to suffice in comparison to that of other major conferences, the same issues are going to pop up. This is only a band-aid, and it's hard to see it as anything but that. And part of the reason I felt so disappointed when this was announced was simply that ... honestly, I wanted to be done with this. I wanted this to be the Summer of Expansion, and I wanted to be done with the issue forever and ever (unless they ended up in a worse conference, ahem). Instead, we stare at a future with another potential breakdown on the horizon. Healthy conferences have members who feel like equals. That has never been the case in the Big 12.
- How are we determining who makes how much? Initial word is that Oklahoma, Texas, and Texas A&M will make $20 million per year under the current arrangement, with
the apparent dregs of the conferenceeverybody else making between $14-17 million. I want to put this delicately, since it does sound like they went to bat for Mizzou in discussions with the SEC, but ... Texas A&M? Really?
Conference records since 2005:
Texas Tech 26-14
Missouri 24-16
Oklahoma State 19-21
Texas A&M 17-23
I'm not sure the best way to look up television appearances since then, but I'm willing to bet A&M is either third or fourth among these teams on that list. (And if they're not, then why aren't they? The idea with unequal revenue sharing is that it supposedly rewards you for succeeding ... if that's not the case, then that's an entirely new issue.)
I understand that A&M has probably been included in the "upper tier" of revenue because they seemed the most likely to leave. When the SEC talks, you listen, and it probably took a little bit of extra nudge for A&M to stick around. Fine. But five years from now, when they've made $100 million or so from this deal and a team like Texas Tech, a much better team for most of the last decade, has only made around $80-85 million ... yeah, I'm thinking the "thank goodness we were able to keep them" bonus is going to rather quickly lose its charm. - An 18 year deal? Eighteen? The other jarring part of the rumored TV deal is the length. If the deal kicks in within the next year or two, that means the conference is supposedly set until almost 2030. And I'm willing to bet that $14-20 million/year isn't going to seem that impressive in 2030. I really hope, for everybody's sake, that this figure is negotiable down the line. Otherwise this is the same misstep that I'm pretty sure the conference made originally (I'm going strictly by memory here, so correct me if I'm painfully wrong), when what was a great deal in 1996-98 grew quite stale when other conferences upgraded their own deals.
Despite having ten of 12 members finishing in or near the top ten at least once in the last decade, the conference has trailed drastically in terms of TV revenue for quite a while. The last thing they should do is agree to a deal that will dump them right back into the same situation in a few years. (Unless, of course, they really do know this is just a temporary fix, and things will still fall apart down the line ... in which case there are no expectations of reaching the 18th year of this deal.)
Bottom Line
I know Mizzou fans, and while they are possibly not as upset right now as A&M fans, I'm assuming a majority of them are out for blood right now. It's just how we are. And to be sure, this unfolded in just about the most teasing way possible. Less than an hour after PowerMizzou dropped the rumor that Texas A&M was attempting to bring Mizzou into the SEC with them, the rug was pulled out from under everybody. It was appearing that they could end up in the Big Ten ... or the SEC ... or even a pretty stinking great Big East, and instead, they remain in a conference that refuses to even pretend that everybody is equal, a conference that has done nothing to address its long-term issues. But this is a deal that presents to Missouri a future as good as they want to make it. And in the end, that's good enough for now.
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So, after all that talk about the brilliant.
outside-the-box-thinking Larry Scott, he ends up with Colorado and an 11 team conference?
Color me unimpressed.
Yep
More money for CU – and equal money with our new partners. Color me ecstatic.
We’re headed off into the $unset. Go Buffs!
More money for CU?
I wouldn’t be so sure. The Pac-10 makes less than the Big 12 under the current deals, and I’m guessing that the Denver market doesn’t give the Pac-10 a sufficient bump to exceed that. So, congrats, I guess.
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
Reading your comments on all these boards...
…one would think you’re the one doing the negotiations. I know what Larry Scott promised all those schools, but that was assuming they landed Texas (both the state and the school). Whether you want to believe it or not, Denver and SLC, while not bad gets, are not a blockbuster, game-changer for the Pac-10. Yes, the current TV deal was old, but I still will have to see the Pac-10 rolling in money before I’ll believe it.
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
by TB on Jun 15, 2010 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Better cowboy up then
Better get u a new stadium and arena. Those PAC 10 boys dont like dressing in outhouses. Sorry but u asked for it……lol
Stanley D. McCarty
I kinda like Folsom...
"I'm pretty sure there's more to life than being really, really, ridiculously good looking. And I plan on finding out what that is."
CU doesn't have baseball, softball, swimming teams, etc.
and if I’m not mistaken Pac10 will make you add them. That will cost money. CU is horrendous (and not improving) in basketball and football with smallish facilities. Improving them will cost money. The extra travel costs will cost money. You won;t get most of the Big12 money , even while you’re still in the conference. Denver’s pro sports fans couldn’t give a rats ass about you, nor do the Boulder hippies or the focus on the family folks in Colo Springs who think you’re too liberal. You’re entrance into the Pac10 is especially exciting for Wash. St. Aside from being the school for a blown out of proportion group of Less Than Zero So. Calif. kids looking for a school they can get really high at, I fail to see CU’s connection to the West Coast. Your campus and 95% of the state’s population is EAST of the Rockies and clearly on the plains (albiet with mts inthe BACKGROUND) so even the Continental Divide says you are reaching the wrong way. Compared to KSU, you are sexy. Compared to the Pac10 schools, not so much. I don;t mean to be mean, I just I seriously think CU made a bad mistake.
suspense!
It was appearing that they could end up in the Big Ten … or the SEC … or even a pretty stinking great Big East, and instead, they remain in a conference that refuses to even pretend that everybody is equal, a conference that
Don’t make me wait until October like SG-U for the end of post!
well hell...
…I was moving text around, and it apparently got cut off. Try now.
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there now.
How will this affect the next round of expansion?
1) Mizzou is a lot more subtle and a lot less trusting
2) A&M pulls out all the stops to go to the SEC
3) No one anywhere trusts Texas, not even Oklahoma
4) Big Ten moves faster to keep from being outmaneuvered
5) SEC counts their billions
6) Baylor and Iowa State lie huddled in the corner crying
7) Notre Dame laughs at everyone
Hmmm... Well...
Is Nebraska still playing the part of Yoko?
[Osborne's] school has this ultimatum from Texas to either spit or get off the pot. Commit to the Big 12, Texas is saying, or we'll take this Pac-10 offer, rake in more cash and kiss the Big 12 goodbye. It's on you, Nebraska. Texas is good at this sort of thing -- it could blame Cadillac for those Toyota brake problems and get away with it. - Dennis Dodd
by Screwface on Jun 14, 2010 9:24 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
It was Dr. Tom who said . . .
“One team leaving a conference does not destroy a conference. Two teams leaving a conference does not destroy a conference.” Codger appears to have been right.
by Michael Atchison on Jun 14, 2010 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Well did Yoko cause the end of The Beatles?
did Courtney cause the end of Nirvana?
did Hellen cause the end of Troy?
Given enough velocity even a pig will fly
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jun 14, 2010 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Nebraska is rating 1 milliHellen.
She’s launched a single ship.
Hers.
by Wan Ihite on Jun 14, 2010 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is it under a black flag with a Lambda on it?
I would be suspect of that
:)
Given enough velocity even a pig will fly
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jun 14, 2010 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
nice
Given enough velocity even a pig will fly
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jun 15, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Iowa State and Baylor are the real winners.
"I'm pretty sure there's more to life than being really, really, ridiculously good looking. And I plan on finding out what that is."
Texas fixed the door.

"Alcohol may be man's worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy." --Frank Sinatra
by Other Side of the Pillow on Jun 14, 2010 9:33 PM CDT reply actions
There's nothing wrong with a Good Will Hunting reference
Delaney looks like a buffoon. A lot of noise and confusion to come up with only Nebraska. It does very little to accomplish any of his goals.
Larry Scott is probably better off with Colorado (and probably Utah) than he would have been with the Pac-16. That conference was a disaster waiting to happen. He expands his conference to the Mountain time zone, picks up some major markets, and adds a championship game (assuming Utah joins).
And despite the hurt feelings, the Big 12-2 is a stronger conference than it was before. It still has problems, but it’s been through the forge. It might crack from stress in a few years, but what’s new about that?
stronger conference?
Naw, just more money to hold it together for the while.
It’s a demographic game. People with teevees and well-coached sports-playing kids are the valuable resource here. Texas has a lot more of that than the North. The rest is all just math.
Even the morning after
I still think we are in a stronger conference. That may not be saying much, but I don’t think we are any worse off than we were before.
You're not wrong . . .
. . . steel sharpens steel. We will still send as many teams to the bowls and NCAA tournament, and there are fewer hands in a much bigger pie – even if some hands are larger than others.
Question:
Will KOMU finally admit in public that the “Missouri to the Big Ten is a ‘done deal’” report was wrong?
Haha, wow....
After all the conference expansion shenanigans recently, I’ve forgotten about that…uhm, blunder.
"I'm pretty sure there's more to life than being really, really, ridiculously good looking. And I plan on finding out what that is."
And who was the guy here
GUARANTEEING that it would be Mizzou, Texas, OU, A&M and his pet hamster to the Big 10?
Note, big 10 & 12 merely switch names, and the number of appropriately named conferences in the country triples overnight.
I don't want to come off as a Mike Alden apologist...
…but can we give the man some credit? In the few times he spoke, he urged patience to the fan base and never once seemed like he was out of control.
Sure, I imagine a lot of that was posturing, and there were moments when he probably crapped his pants (or wanted to). But I vote that we raise a glass to Missouri’s fine athletic director on what is ultimately a victory for the University.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
Seconded, and while we're at it . . .
. . . the RMN crew did a great job of hanging in there through all our ranting and raving, keeping things on a level of thoughtful discussion (most of the time).
yes, Alden did the best he could in this ocean of sharks
Given enough velocity even a pig will fly
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jun 14, 2010 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I figure he was playing a very middling hand, and came out with a middling result. Didn’t blow it, didn’t pull a bizarre upset. Perfectly respectable job.
true
like a good hand in Hold ’em
everybody had a jack and 3
except Nu and Cu, and Texas
Given enough velocity even a pig will fly
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jun 14, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, Iowa State had a bad hand, Texas has its own little machine for printing aces, and we had a straight (or something)
point
I think ISU was playing with a 7 high
and Texas had more than two Aces stuffed up its sleve
Given enough velocity even a pig will fly
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jun 14, 2010 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
NO MORE POKER ANALOGIES.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
ahahhahahhaahha
no problem
Given enough velocity even a pig will fly
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jun 14, 2010 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmmmm..............
RMN meet up; Texas Hold ’em Tourney?
Show up to learn about poker, leave learning about life!
:)
Given enough velocity even a pig will fly
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jun 14, 2010 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I want to know who the Cabal was
I’m guessing Mike Slive, John Marinatto, Jerry Jones, ESPN, Mike Judge, the Knights Templar, the Pope and Lady Gaga.
Why is this league "settling"
to stay at 10 teams? I would like to add a Memphis and/or Colorado State/Air Force to the league and make it a 12 team league again…
There is a God and I'm not it, after that EVERYTHING is subjective. Be careful for what you wish for, you just might GET IT!
I think it's time for the Big XII to take a break from the headlines...
…and chill the eff out.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
Absolutely
I’m good with ten. True round robin in football and double round robin in basketball. No championship game. No newbies to integrate.
So when can we vote on the best hotel in Columbia?
:)
Given enough velocity even a pig will fly
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jun 14, 2010 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Memphis comes with a nice little allowance...
"I'm pretty sure there's more to life than being really, really, ridiculously good looking. And I plan on finding out what that is."
I think inviting new teams is a bit premature
most people think this is just a bandaid; let’s see if it takes before expanding.
Yep . . .
. . . everybody plays everybody an equal number of times. Northern teams might not be such a weak link after a year or two of that. Then we can talk again . . . with a better hand to play.
How about not stealing
I think for the Big XII to go shopping right now would be a little hypocritical, dont u think?
Stanley D. McCarty
I don't see how we make more money
I mean, I’d need to see the figures, but my gut feeling is that:
“Current pie divided by ten plus 3 mil for UT, OU and aTm and minus 3 mil for the little guys” is greater than “Current pie plus revenue from Memphis and Air Force divided by twelve plus 3 mil for UT, OU, and aTm and minus 3 mil for the little guys.”
by Professor Chaos on Jun 15, 2010 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions
a couple other thoughts, now that we've all calmed down.
1. Thank god this didn’t drag on into the fall. Can you imagine trying to convince recruits to come to Columbia when the Mountain West is a distinct possibility as soon as next year? I’d heard that a couple Mizzou guys were in Champaign this weekend; I’m sure the Zooker was telling them we’d be playing Montana and Wyoming rather than Texas and Oklahoma.
2. Seems like Delaney’s plan all along was to use NU and MU to break up the Big 12 and lure Texas or cause enough chaos to spook ND into joining. Looks like gambling that just NU was enough to do that backfired on him.
agree
Honestly, considering it preserves some very old rivalries and is a big help to KC, I find myself much happier with this than I might have expected. Especially considering that 48 hours ago I wanted UT to bail on the expectaton we end up in a 16 team B10.
And I think #2 is very true- if Jimmy D. offered both us and nub., bet we are talking about a whole different outcome.
I also think there is something to be said for not seeing the ISU’s and KSU’s possibly thrown to into the gutter.
Goes without saying
That with the gall Texas has to present themselves as the savior I hope everyone beats the shit out of them in every sport from here on out.
And I will gladly cheer for A&M in every game they play. Hell I don’t care if they beat us 100-0, they’re legit in my book.
FIFY
And I will gladly cheer for A&M in every game they play. Hell I don’t care if they beat us 100-0, they’re legit in my book.
I don't want to crap on TAMU, because they obviously helped to save the conference...
…but I still have a very, very hard time believing they’d divorce from Texas and (to a lesser extent) Texas Tech.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
I tend to disagree with you.
I think they’re looking for any excuse they can to dissociate from Texas as long as it’s financially viable.
Maybe I'm missing something (wholly possible)...
…but for an institution that takes such enormous pride in its sense of tradition, breaking up with Texas — perhaps its greatest tradition of all — seems like a total departure from its roots.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
The tradition they love most?
Being the oldest public university in Texas (yes, even older than UT). They abhor being viewed in the media as UT’s bastard child. If it meant making the Lone Star Showdown football only to get away from that shadow and stand on the strength of their own reputation, I think they’d be ecstatic.
I know, I know, it's just a song...
…but the entire fight song is about beating Texas. While the FANS might want to leave, I don’t think the Regents ever wanted to.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
actually it's only the second verse of the fight song that's about texas
although tradition says we sing it twice
I sing the first and second verse at all games, unless we are playing texas, b/c then it is appropriate.
The reason the second verse (which was originally written as the first verse) talks about texas so much? Because it was written right after we beat texas in a football game, or so the story goes.
not to be an ass
but the defining tradition of Texas A&M is Aggie Muster
it has nothing to do with texas
by Beergut on Jun 15, 2010 6:22 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agree with this
Having visited A&M twice while school was in session (once close to Muster) and knowing people who’ve worked there, there are plenty of non-Texas centric traditions with A&M. Plenty.
A rivalry in and of itself is not a tradition.
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What a ride
Wow..what a ride we have been on. What will we talk about now. I think after facing the loss of our teams, we should not start going after other conference teams. Let them ask us (in private … lol). I hope everyone has learned something from this charade.
Stanley D. McCarty
I think there is a much better deal to be had at 10
at least for now. Every possible addition, other than ND (why would they?), is net minus.
The hell you say?
Is this a sports blog?
:)
am totally glad this is set to rest for now, and we can enjoy sports now, and numbers.
Glorious wonderful numbers.
Given enough velocity even a pig will fly
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jun 14, 2010 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I spoke too soon when I said this deal didn't help us.
I didn’t realize how much more money was going to MU than before. I don’t really care that UT is getting more money than us, at least we are actually benefitted too. The Big 12 has lasted for quite a long time (15 years), I can see this deal helping it last another 18. Also, I think the best part of the deal is how much the conference is improved athletically. While you lose a good football team with Nebraska, you get rid of one of the worst football teams and the two worst basketball teams from the conference. With home and homes in basketball each year and a game against everybody in football each year, the Big 12 will be a great conference in the eyes of the country. Also, the increased competition will only help Mizzou get better and tougher (I’m talking about having to play teams like Texas and OU each year in FB, having to play in Austin and in Gallagher-Iba each year in basketball). I love every part of this deal.
We have all had a lesson in life.
We did it with eight teams for a long time. I also think we have all learned something here. LOOK BEFORE U LEAP. The grass isnt always greener on the other side, and U might not have your own lawn to run back io.
Stanley D. McCarty
I was just thinking that all those games against top opponents help toughen our team.
We can get more experience in a big games, that’s all.
Agreed totally
Youre going to run into this problem again in about a decade without equal revenue sharing. As soon as someone fills the power vaccuum left by Nebraska, they’ll get ticked off and cut a deal to exit the conference.
You guys really need to work on your poker face
CU has a lame AD and retarded coach who ended up with more chip$. CU later! Go Buffs!
$96.8 million
Money earned by the PAC10 last year. ~9 million per school…
It’ll be even less with CU in the picture. Have fun making le$$ money than the remaining big 12.
Great Odin's Raven I love Mike "The Predator" Dixon!
by pinkelposse on Jun 14, 2010 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Gotta love that penalty
money the Big 12-2 will hopefully be seeing soon (legal soon?)…
--VegasCat07
You really think
that the Pac 10 is going to re-up their soon to be expiring TV deal for the same one made several years ago (that you cited)? Or could it more closely resemble the one the Big 10 made three years ago (add in the Denver and Salt Lake TV markets)? CU is going to be rolling in it, $20-$25M/year and equally spread out among the conference – best part, we won’t have the Burnt Orange Bully taking our lunch money anymore.
Andy Katz is unimpressed with your arguments
Says Big12-2 worth more than Pac-10+1. Not enough for a network, and doesn’t add enough to the existing media deal: “The Pac 10 is already in those markets.”
While you're here, BuffsFan99
Would you care to address the follow comment you made last summer?
Colorado’s struggles have about as much of a chance of continuing as Mizzou’s success does.
Here are the important stats: 120 man-games lost to injury (you made it seem as though Ryan Miller, who will be all Big 12 and NFL bound, played all year – he got a medical redshirt for the year). Stewart was on his way to 1,000+ yards before he was lost for the year. The entire O-Line got hurt, forcing youth and inexperience on the field; hence the poor QB play and running game. You also failed to mention a new Offensive Coordinator and giving up the spread to play real football. Oh yeah, Colorado has also been recruiting the best talent in the North for 3 years – it will be unleashed in 2009.
The WRs will be fine – keep an eye out for Andre Simmons, who will be better than Josh Smith ever was. Simas is for real.
As far as QBs go, that may be the real weakness of the team, but experience goes a long way – let’s see how much fun it is for Mizzou to have a sophomore play this year.
Prepare to lose in Boulder this year.
we are not worthy
we are not worthy
WOW!!!
Given enough velocity even a pig will fly
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jun 14, 2010 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Well played RPT
I’m aware that we are currently inept. We may improve in 2010, but probably won’t go bowling. Just remember that we were an elite team when the Big 12 was formed, before Texas pulled a Gordon Gecko on everybody. Now that we’re headed for an equitable, tenable situation, and we can afford to fire our retarded coach, things are looking up. Pass the sunscreen.
COLORADO SUCKS AT NEARLY EVERY SPORT!
and yes caps lock is neccessary
Great Odin's Raven I love Mike "The Predator" Dixon!
by pinkelposse on Jun 15, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I think
we got played. I realize that this website maintains a pretty positive spin on everything. After bad losses, it is nice to come here and get a little dose of reality. For example, a loss to Baylor doesn’t mean our football program is doomed. Or the fact that our team could only score 60 points wasn’t the end of the world. It is always nice to come here instead of the dark ages when you had to watch the tigerboard meltdown. Tigerboard after a loss was like walking into a sorrority after all the girls had synched up their cycles during that time of the month. But i think this article ignores the reality of the situation.
But seriously, this could not have worked out worse for us. I realize that technically we could have ended up in the MWC, but what were the odds of that, 5%? Less? Regardless of whether or not we should have jumped back into our abusive relationship (and I officially move for Mizzou’s fight song to Better Man by Pearl Jam) after we found out that the Big 10 was just a big tease, how the hell did we end up in that situation?
The story is that Mizzou begged for the Big 10 and then begged back for the Big 12. This is the story the media put out. The media. Sports media. One thing that Mizzou, because of its journalism program, actually has some pull in. We don’t have a PR guy (or gal) with enough sense to get out there and say we weren’t actively courting the Big 10? If the Big 10 said don’t say anything, we don’t have the ability to leak something through a back channel? I don’t think it’s Alden’s fault, I think it’s the Forsee and Deaton’s fault.
In the end, we make more money, but so does our competition, so does that really help us. If you are trying to keep up with the Jones’, if you make a 10% increase in your income and they make a 20% increase, you haven’t gained ground. You are better of than you were before, but you haven’t caught anyone.
Finally, we are back in a conference that can’t survive. This is similar to 2 married people finding out the other one is cheating on them. Having a huge fight and then deciding to stick together (only know the husband gets anal), the divorce is inevitable, why not just do it know and get it over with (unless you’re the husband and make no mistake, we are not the husband in this analogy).
Um...
But seriously, this could not have worked out worse for us. I realize that technically we could have ended up in the MWC, but what were the odds of that, 5%? Less?
If the Big XII broke up, I’d put Mizzou’s chances of saying “We’re a proud member of the Mountain West Conference” at far more than 5-percent.
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Missouri DID get played.
But the glass isn’t as empty as you make it seem, if only because it allows Missouri to survive long enough until the conference inevitably does go down.
What I want to know is where all this extra tv money suddenly came from? Was mr. doodoo seriously NOT going to go out and get more money for everyone, until suddenly we all might leave? Did they not have an inkling 3 weeks ago that they could get this cash? If they did, then why all the intervening drama. If not, then why not? Having 2 teams leave didn’t help us get it. Mizzou flirting with anyone didn’t help convince networks they should pay the Big 12 more.
Just doesn’t make sense to me.
Fox Sports Houston
It’s going under for some reason and Fox is reallocating the money to the Big XII.
Oh, so it’s basically a random windfall? Well in that case it sounds like it had almost nothing to do with who was batting eyelashes at who, and far more to do with good timing.
Unless Fox had an interest in putting this money on the table in order to preserve the conference so it wouldn’t lose TV revenue to the networks covering the other conferences…
Is there a whole nother level of network strategery that we’ve been missing here?
There are probably other factors
But the dissolution of Fox Sports Houston apparently freed up a lot of money for Fox to make the move.
So wait a second
Somehow Fox Sports Houston can’t survive, but the Longhorn Network is going to be the second coming of HBO?
by Professor Chaos on Jun 15, 2010 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Gah, I can't find the information now
FSH didn’t fail, but there was some kind of new deal to broadcast the Astros and Texans that made FSH redundant, so all of the money that was allocated to it was freed up.
DONT WORRY, BE HAPPY
If it happens down the road we will deal with it. As for now be happy we have a conference to play in. Every conference has a big dog or two. Think the Big Ten, PAC 10 or the SEC are any different?
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Whats the alternative?
The MWC? Do you really think the SEC would give us a second look? Certainly not the Big Ten, and besides, I hate waiting for bones to be thrown at me. The Big East basketball schools hate us. So the horns make more money…. so do the stars on any team too but everyone still plays the game..
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jun 14, 2010 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Question
Now that round 1 of expansion seems to be over, do you think Mizzou feels burned by the Big Ten? And if so, do you think there is any chance you guys would say “thanks but no thanks” if a Big Ten invite comes a year from now?
I'd say it depends on the situation.
If the Big 12’s band aids are falling off, then hell yeah. Even if not, I think MU officials really, really, liked the prospect of being in the Big10, and why not? I’m more curious to see what happens if we got an invite while the Big 12 2.0 was still intact? Would we stay loyal? Or would we look out for ourselves?
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and an interesting
question that I assume we will find out tomorrow is if there is a new buyout provision. I think that will tell us a lot about how much of a long term deal this really is, or just a ‘until we find something better’ deal. If UT really sees itself here, would guess there will be new, more severe buyout penalties. And I wonder if the TV deal is fine with the existing penalities, too.
But I think it still quite likely that the bid would be taken- the academic money and prestige seems too much to pass up.
I am guessing
that there is a three-tiered penalty system.
TIer 1 (UT, aTm, OU): 0 penalty
Tier 2 (OSU, TTU): $10 million
Tier 3 (MU, kU, kSU, ISU, Baylor): Complete reimbursement of all funds provided from the Big 12-2 for the number of years concerned between the signing of this agreement and departure from the conference. In addition, there will be a contractual obligation to shine DeLoss Dodd’s hiney in the media for a period not to be shorter than 25 years following departure from the conference. The secret behind #tremendousstubble and all rights thereto must be transferred to UT. Also, we must write our own confession regarding how we ruined the Big 12 and it was no one else’s fault.
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by Other Side of the Pillow on Jun 15, 2010 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Personally
I’ve soured on them. Of course, we don’t know what was said behind closed doors so Mizzou may have led itself to believe something that wasn’t true, but if Delany played Mizzou in the hopes that he could pick us up on the cheap? Well, Mizzou may not have much athletic success, but we still have our pride.
I agree
I will be quite happy if Jim looks like a tool at the end of this. And the B10 screwed the pooch, IMO, should have offered both us and Nub. If so, the narrative completely changes. I don’t buy that nub alone adds much of anything, and it sounds like the B10 will actually be covering them on the penalties. And much of their fanbase is insufferable.
Not sure if somebody was against us on the inside and pushed folks toward NU, or if NU was just seen as the better bet to trigger armageddon (thanks to the UT P10 threat), but regardless the B10 picked the big red abomination over us. They may be traditional fb power, but you can’t tell me they are superior to us overall. That will leave a very bitter taste- nobody likes being jilted.
I am personally quite enthused to beat the crap out of every B10 team we play. Nothing personal. :)
Hard to say.
Think of it this way:
Mizzou is currently in a very mildly abusive relationship with a local moneybags, so when a nicer and richer moneybags showed some interest, Mizzou felt it could walk a line – indicate enough interest to encourage the offer and flag that it would like to be treated better by current moneybags, but without burning any bridges in the current relationship. This line was mostly walked via ostentatiously tepid denials of public rumors. The whole thing played out like a Victorian novel (“He had the striking temerity to not even deny that he might have an interest in the favours of Ms. Hodgkins! His demurrals were most unconvincing!”).
Now it becomes clear that the new moneybags was likely partly interested as a ploy for some larger pieces which takes a little of the patina off, but OTOH, the whole thing is clearly a pretty mercenary game, and the local moneybags we’re sticking with doesn’t exactly come out smelling like roses either.
So depending on the penalties and legalities of whatever new agreement reforges the big 12 (reduced), if the Big 10 comes along with an iron-clad offer, Mizzou would probably still bite… But until that offer arrives, signed sealed and delivered, Mizzou would have to publicly swear up and down that it has no interest in anyone but his current lass (let’s invert these implicit gender dynamics people, for shame!)… Which might make negotiations a little more delicate, but I’m sure the big boys could sort themselves out somehow if they really put their mind to it.
+1 for the Victorian Novel parody
not nearly enough of that on sports blogs.
by Professor Chaos on Jun 15, 2010 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions
My allegiance probably makes me a bit of a pariah here
But I do want to let all of you know that I’m really happy to see this happen. When we made the move, I was dreading the relegation of the Big 12 North to the Mountain West, but it looks like that has been avoided (thank God). Many Husker fans genuinely feel bad for leaving the old Big 8 schools behind, and we’ll sleep better tonight knowing that we didn’t screw anybody over.
The Big 12 is still a strong conference, and it’d be great if this “band-aid” allows time for a more permanent cure to the many problems that ail this conference. In the meantime, try to keep the Big 8 legacy alive and don’t let Texas push everyone around.
See you guys this fall. (Oh and I’m sure many of you are hoping the Huskers go 0-12 this year. No worries, my feelings would be exactly the same if the Big 10 had picked you instead).
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eh our bowl streak died a while back
5-7 doesn’t depress us like it used to. Might as well go all the way with the hate. :P
"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne
Just wondering...
What is the new TV deal? Is it more game on ESPN? Does it mean the elimination of 1960’s quality Big 12 Network for basketball? Will we finally get to see games against Iowa State on television, will we not be forced to pay $30 to watch Mizzou play Furman?
Not sure
But I kind of hope that the North schools start looking at alternative broadcasting schemes, such as refocusing on internet and mobile broadcasts. I don’t exactly know how viable such schemes would be, but we might as well put those J Schoolers to work figuring it out.
I know I would benefit
and get to watch more games if the media deal for the “North” teams (or Big 12 in general) went the way of the interwebz.
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True, but if we'd left, wouldn't we have been able to keep it?
I mean, we did win it last.
by Professor Chaos on Jun 15, 2010 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I never really thought about it.
Then again, if a tree (Missouri and Iowa State) falls (plays) in a forest (game) and there’s nobody around to hear it (watch it on television), does it make a sound (does the game actually occur, do people actually care for the trophy)?
We need to beat Nebraska next year...
so we can keep the Missouri-Nebraska Bell. That is a dope trophy.
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
An 18 year deal? Eighteen? The other jarring part of the rumored TV deal is the length. If the deal kicks in within the next year or two, that means the conference is supposedly set until almost 2030. And I’m willing to bet that $14-20 million/year isn’t going to seem that impressive in 2030. I really hope, for everybody’s sake, that this figure is negotiable down the line.
You can’t lose Nebraska and Denver, double your average revenue, and not have a catch. The lack of skepticism about a contract that magically doubles revenue is blowing my frickin’ mind, man. On what grounds could the Big XII realistically lose assets and add $10M in payout to each school? Seriously, what are the logical grounds for that?
I know about your diabolical plan.
by KevinHD on Jun 15, 2010 8:39 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
There was supposedly a TV deal in place for the 12 teams...
…and in losing Colorado and Nebraska, they lost both roughly 17% of their TV markets (mostly Denver) and 17% of their membership. Yes, they lost Denver and Nebraska, but they also don’t have to split the proceeds 12 ways anymore. That’s the key. Add to that the fact that apparently Fox (or maybe ESPN) overpaid a bit to avoid having to deal with super-conferences, and there you go.
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I respect the take and I don’t know any more than you do, but two things I don’t agree with:
-Losing two members means more money for everyone only if you drop two teams that are earning bellowing the conference average. With UNL’s tradition and Colorado’s Denver, the math in the statement “there are less teams so it’s more for everyone” doesn’t play out logically. That 17% number doesn’t include the national appeal you lose with the exit of Nebraska.
-I’m not of the opinion that the TV networks are against the super-conference idea. It’s more games between higher-profile schools and more exclusion of the mid-majors, who are typically (with storyline exceptions) loser broadcasts. There’s no reason to think they fear this.
One last point: networks are part of the expansion of conference networks. Fox owns 49% of the BTN, and they would probably own 49% of the Pac-10 network as well. Someone is going to have to go in with Texas on their proposed network. It’s not something they get shut out on, it’s a different model, that’s all.
I know about your diabolical plan.
by KevinHD on Jun 15, 2010 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Big 12 paid out based on appearances...
… not based on market share. Colorado was 10th of 12 teams in television revenue disbursed.
Less to pass around
2 schools less… 17 million x2 = 34 million divided by 10. means a plus 3.4 mil per school plus the regular revenue. Dont forget about the 20 mil CU and CU are going to let us split 10 ways. Thats the formula.
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Free and friendly advice
Mizzou Tigers,
Here’s a small suggestion: have your AD call Mike Slive now. Start the conversation now. Start the negotiations now. When the Big XII (X) unravels again, and it will for all of the reasons y’all have listed above, don’t be left without a chair again the next time the Sixth Street music stops.
The vast majority of SEC fans thought adding Texas A&M was a superb idea, but the follow-up question was, well, with whom do we pair the Aggies to balance the divisions? Logical answer: Missouri.
It was also suggested that if the SEC expands to 16 teams, that we should add Clemson in order to corner the Tigers market, and to create the All-Cats Division with Auburn, Clemson, Kentucky, LSU and Mizzou, but I think they were mostly kidding about that. Mostly.
Did I mention that we split the SEC honey pot equally?
Tell Mike Alden to Mike Slive. Now.
by Atlanta Gator on Jun 15, 2010 10:10 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
You would have to add Kansas State in that scenario
You can’t have an All-Cats Division without the Wildcats. And I suppose you would have to add Kansas too since cats need something to eat. Man, college football is complicated.
by Gaknar on Jun 15, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cats and Dogs Sleeping Together . . . .
@Gaknar——
Well, it was also suggested that you could put Georgia and Mississippi State in the same group and call it the “Cats and Dogs Sleeping Together Division.” Add the Gators, though, and it would become the “Snack Time by the Canal Division.”
Just saying. These things go in cycles, and it’s always good to maintain some semblance of perspective.
by Atlanta Gator on Jun 15, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
No
I’ve been keeping quiet lately, mostly because few things have depressed or aggravated me more than the comments on here advocating a move to the SEC. And I really REALLY hope I’m not the only one that feels this way.
Elke ware zoon, zo blij van harte / Hemels boven ons zijn blauw / Er is een geest zo diep binnen ons / Oud Missouri dit is voor jou / Waneer de band het Tijger oorlogslied speelt / En wanneer de strijd over is / We zullen stampen, stampen, stampen, rond de kolommen / Met een kreet voor oud Mizzou!
by Dutch Missourian on Jun 15, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
It is still a free country . . . .
@Dutch Missourian——
You are certainly entitled to your opinion. If you change your mind . . . .
by Atlanta Gator on Jun 15, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Seeing the information about us signing CU and NUs buyout over to Texas, TAMU and OU
has me thinking about New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Gainesville, Atlanta, Athens and the other Columbia.
I could be down with the SEC.
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Call College Station, and ask them to do a package deal!
@D-Sing——
There is going to be another round of this madness. If not now, then when either the Big Ten (Dozen) or the Pac-10 (11) starts on the prowl again, or when the SEC or ACC decides to move preemptively. Pac-10 (11) has already shown their hand, and the Big Ten (Dozen) played Missouri as a stalking horse to try to corner their unrequited love, Notre Dame. Tell your people to talk to our people.
The SEC has limited expansion options, and ideally, would like to add one or more major media markets to its contiguous footprint. Texas and Oklahoma were discussed before this past week, but it has become glaringly obvious to everyone that we do not want to invite the Texas cancer into our body (even as a package deal with Oklahoma), and Texas Tech and Oklahoma State add absolutely zero without UT and OU. (UT’s pretensions to academic superiority have not sat well with Vanderbilt, Florida and Georgia, either, none of which are academic slouches.)
Texas A&M would be a home run for the SEC, adding Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, etc., as well as adding Texas recruiting for our western and smaller programs. Florida State has been discussed, but Bobby Bowden turned us down in 1990 because he didn’t want to play an SEC football schedule, and I don’t think that’s changed. Clemson is a good candidate from a cultural standpoint, but neither Clemson nor FSU adds new media markets. I suppose they add some additional regional following, and FSU some national following. Clemson has surprisingly strong academics.
Virginia Tech, however, is not only a relatively strong football and respectable academic school, but it would also add the Richmond and Washington media markets. That’s a big deal. In many ways, it would be a model SEC member. Large state university, respectable academics, good resources, and a football tradition. Missouri is very much in that same mold, but with access to the St. Louis and Kansas City media markets.
One other thing is pretty clear from the discussions: SEC fans have a strong preference for 14 members over 16 members, so we can preserve inter-divisional play with a regular rotation of opposite division opponents. Might involve going to a nine-game conference schedule, but that might be okay.
Just thought that y’all out to hear some of these thoughts and ideas.
by Atlanta Gator on Jun 15, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Call College Station, and ask them to do a package deal!
Tell your people to talk to our people. It’s time for some creative thinking. Otherwise, you’re waiting for the Big Ten (Dozen) to call or you’ve accepted your fate with your friends in Austin.
by Atlanta Gator on Jun 15, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Wouldn't it be funny as hell
if that’s what the 4pm press conference is all about? Now that Texas has gloated and Dan Beebe has had his presser, what if we come out and announce that we’ve been in double-super secret negotiations with the SEC and Texas A&M and we’re going there in 2011.
I would love nothing more than to mess with Texas . . .
We could only hope.
= )
by Atlanta Gator on Jun 15, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
May happen down the road
I think right now Texas has a signature signed in Mizzou’s blood that says no on is going anywhere for a while… I think Mizzou would have ended up in the SEC though. If the Big XII dont make thats my Christmas wish.
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I note, for the record, that your Big 8 conference sisters, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State, had no problem chucking you over the side. You got more consideration from the Aggies. What does that say about the future of the Big XII (X)? Not a lot of love in the room . . . .

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