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Devil's Advocate: Will Gary Pinkel get over the Oklahoma hump?

Here at Rock M Nation, we pride ourselves in trying to avoid/fight the mob mentality that dominates The Interwebs. All those months of skepticism at RMN about lines of thinking that are a little too easily accepted for our tastes have led me to an unintended fondness for contrarianism. Contrarian pieces on SB Nation are nothing new (the inestimable T. Kyle King penned a fantastic series titled Kyle Gets Contrary for Dawg Sports). But this summer, I'm launching a series titled "Devil's Advocate" in which, regardless of my own personal beliefs, I'll attempt to challenge some of Missouri fans' most commonly-held beliefs. Today's truth to challenge:

"Gary Pinkel will get over the Oklahoma hump by beating the Sooners"

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In case you haven't heard, Gary Pinkel has never beaten Texas or Oklahoma. I say this only as a public disservice to those who have somehow managed to avoid being beaten over the head by this storyline for the last few years. But if traditional message board hubris is any indication, 2010 is the year Pinkel gets past that hump.

And the argument is at least a little bit compelling. Oklahoma comes to Faurot, where Missouri put a scare into the eventual Big 12 champ Sooners in 2006 before a dropped long TD-to-be by Chase Coffman and a phantom roughing the kicker call tilted the game in OU's favor. Missouri returns the majority of last year's team with another offseason of growth, while Oklahoma deals with several losses to graduation/the NFL Draft after a rough year by Stoops' standards.

But remember, Missouri's had a chance to get by Oklahoma (and Texas) before and failed to do it. Remember 2007 when Missouri had one of its best teams in school history and couldn't get by the same OU team that couldn't beat Colorado? How about 2008, when Missouri went from offensively unstoppable in Lincoln to offensively irrelevant in Austin? Are you feeling confident enough to say that this 2010 Missouri team is definitively good enough or to say this 2010 Oklahoma team is definitively weak enough to guarantee that this streak comes to an end?

It's not impossible, but tapping the brakes might be a worthwhile suggestion here.

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Yes, Oklahoma might still be down from what they were in 2007-08, but is "down" at Oklahoma really ever THAT "down" compared to everyone else? It's wholly likely that Missouri fans see only Oklahoma's 8-5 record form 2009 and see a golden opportunity. But the win-loss numbers lose sight of how exactly that "fall" transpired. So how inevitable is Oklahoma's 2010 rebound? Doc Saturday explains:

They were unlucky last year. I don't just mean "unlucky" in the obvious, "lose two All-Americans/soon-to-be first-round draft picks before halftime of the first game" way. The Sooners were mathematically unlucky: Last month, a math-oriented Michigan fan at MGoBlog ran the numbers on fumbles, blocked kicks and other outlying harbingers of (mis)fortune and found Oklahoma was easily the unluckiest team in the country in 2009 - to the extent that, if it played the same schedule over again, even without the injuries that shelved stars Sam Bradford and Jermaine Gresham for the season, the Sooners could expect to improve their 8-5 record by three full games.

Oklahoma's rebound aside, lest we not forget that Missouri's date with the Sooners comes in the midst of the toughest four-game stretch Missouri has seen in years: at Texas A&M, vs. Oklahoma, at Nebraska, at Texas Tech. Is the student leadership on Missouri's current roster going to be strong enough to keep Missouri focused on the task at hand against Oklahoma when arguably the biggest game in the Big 12 North in 2010 sits just around the corner? Save for the most mentally strong team in program history in 2007, Missouri doesn't exactly have the track record for avoiding the such pitfalls (see: 2006 Iowa State, 2008 Oklahoma State, etc).

Yes, Missouri has a nice opportunity to get a crimson and cream monkey off of Gary Pinkel's back in 2010, but given the chances he had in 2007, this may not even be the best shot he's had in the last four years. As I told another blogger earlier in the offseason, Missouri has the ability to beat every team on the schedule. But having the ability and actually being able to pull off the improbable are two very different animals, so it may not be wise to prematurely assume that the Oklahoma monkey is guaranteed to hop off Mizzou's back in 2010.

Question for discussion: Will this be the best chance Missouri has had to beat Oklahoma (or Texas) in Pinkel's tenure thus far?

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Does Gary Pinkel get over the Oklahoma hump in 2010?
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I am extremely confident

that Mizzou will win 2 of the 4 game stretch of A&M, Okie, Nubs, and Tech. As far as which two they will be, I really have no idea. But as far as likelihood to win I put them like this…
Tech
A&M
Okie
Nub

Personally I think all 4 of those games are close to 50/50, no more than 60/40 either way.

Annoying You Since 1986

by MUTIGERS86 on Jul 15, 2010 10:38 AM CDT reply actions  

Is this really a widely held belief?

Not trying to criticize, it just took me by surprise. While I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if we beat OU, feeling any bit of confident about it seems premature to me.

Of course anything will be better than our last game against OU, where legions of Mizzou fans wore OU colors because of the night before.

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by Transmogrified Tiger on Jul 15, 2010 10:40 AM CDT reply actions  

Picking them to win is a little different than having a lot of confidence they'll win

but your point is well taken. I know I have a hard time saying “no” to the question, even though I feel a bit homerish saying “yes”.

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by Transmogrified Tiger on Jul 15, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, not so much sure if this is devils advocate vs. basic reality reasserting itself in the face of a lot of homertastic hype.

I mean, here’s hoping, but I wouldn’t go getting anybodies hopes up a whole lot.

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by Wan Ihite on Jul 17, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Home Field Advantage.

The fact that we get OU at home at A&M in College Station makes me put OU in second but I agree with those four all being winnable games. I look at Nebraska as the biggest hurdle so best case 3-1 and worst case 1-3 in those four games.

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by shmeremy on Jul 15, 2010 10:54 AM CDT reply actions  

the OU game is Homecoming

and I plan on being in attendance.

Which is why I don’t think we’ll win.

While I like the use of statistical analysis and how it is starting to be incorporated into football (even if I don’t “get” some of it), I still believe in those unquantifiable things like karma. And the fact that sometimes, teams have your number. OU in football is one of those teams.

Maybe that will change when we start playing every year, but for now, I’m not picking Mizzou to win.

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by D-Sing on Jul 15, 2010 11:37 AM CDT reply actions  

This Devil's Advocate seems a bit weak to me

The argument as I understand it is that Oklahoma will win because Oklahoma always wins. By that standard, Mizzou never would have beaten Nebraska. What is it about this year’s teams that suggests an Oklahoma win? What specific matchups favor OU? The simplistic media “Oklahoma doesn’t rebuild, they reload” meme aside, how does the loss of so many top players in one year affect Oklahoma’s cohesiveness as a team compared to Missouri which lost only a couple of key players? It’s all fine and good to say “If Bradford and Gresham hadn’t been injured and if Oklahoma hadn’t fumbled as much and if Colt McCoy had been injured in the Red River Rivalry game, then Oklahoma would have been undefeated”, but couldn’t one make the argument that you find out what kind of team you actually have in adversity? During Mizzou’s 3 game losing stretch, we discovered that Blaine Gabbert is one tough SOB who won the trust of his team by not making excuses for the loss. Could not we make the analogous argument that the injuries to Oklahoma’s stars revealed a surprising lack of depth on a seemingly solid team? How does that affect Mizzou’s chances now that so many of Oklahoma’s stars are gone?

by Gaknar on Jul 15, 2010 12:27 PM CDT reply actions  

All fair.

I’m generally right there with you about such stats, for instance people freaking out about the NL taking forever to beat the AL in the All-Star Game. The games really aren’t as related as people making them out to be.

However, don’t let that minimize what Oklahoma can do in 2010. Statistically speaking, even when you remove the injury factor, the Sooners were about as statistically unlucky as humanly possible last season. The difference between what actually they did last season and another 3-4 wins was miniscule.

Of course, Missouri will have one of the better shots it’s had against Oklahoma in the Pinkel era. I wasn’t going to dispel that notion. But don’t discount Oklahoma because of the fallacies contained within the piece above.

(Side note: I had a boatload of typos in the actual text. Further proof I shouldn’t be writing as late as I was that night.)

by RPT on Jul 15, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with that

You can never count out Oklahoma, but at the same time, just being Oklahoma isn’t enough. Looking back at my post, I suppose a lot of the stats stuff will come later with the Oklahoma preview and maybe then the picture will be a little clearer. Still, I’m kind of surly after this off-season and I’m hoping (perhaps irrationally) that Mizzou will kick the crap out of some big names this year.

by Gaknar on Jul 15, 2010 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

The answer is...

there’s a reasonable chance of it happening. Will it? That’s why they play the games.

by AlaTiger on Jul 15, 2010 12:55 PM CDT reply actions  

I have to say that this is his best chance to beat them, even better than the Big 12 Championship in '07.

We get them at home, by that time of the season Gabbert will have worked his WR corps enough in games to find a go-to guy and figure out who is best to throw to. Hopefully this new defensive style of pressing the receivers will be figured out and working by then, and quite frankly, I think Blaine Gabbert is better than Landry Jones and with OU at home, we can beat them. Also, there is a good possibility of us winning our first 5 games (easy), then taking a game on the road in College Station (a bit of a harder task, but it’s not super tough). If we are 6-0, in the top 20 (or better) in the rankings, there will be more than enough motivation to win this game heading into Lincoln, and it will come down to execution. Oklahoma is a beatable team.

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by StopSpe on Jul 15, 2010 2:06 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm not sure I agree its a better shot

than we had in that championship game without seeing this team on the field, but I agree its a winnable game.

Annoying You Since 1986

by MUTIGERS86 on Jul 15, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Next Devil's Advocate..

Why Blaine Gabbert will not be one of the three best quarterbacks in the big 12 next year.

Annoying You Since 1986

by MUTIGERS86 on Jul 15, 2010 3:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Actually, it may work in our favor . . .

. . . to have all the tough games consecutively. It is very difficult to look past one strong rival to another. Usually you end up looking past a “gimme” to a rivalry game. For me, the A&M and Tech games are the most dangerous – I have to believe the team is going to be fired up for the Sooners and Cornheads. And I definitely think we now have the mix of talent, experience and depth to win all four if Pinkel came keep them focused.

by countrycal on Jul 15, 2010 3:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Yes, but if we choke against A&M..

And OU comes in and blows us out of our own stadium, that could be a serious confidence drop going into the big nebraska game.

Annoying You Since 1986

by MUTIGERS86 on Jul 15, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

We would surely find out . . .

. . . what the team is made of in such a situation – which could well happen if the team doesn’t gel before A&M.

by countrycal on Jul 15, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lets focus on beating Illinois

first.

If we don’t beat the tar out of them, we’re screwed.

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by kcdynasty on Jul 16, 2010 3:55 AM CDT reply actions  

What do you mean we're screwed?

The university and athletic program will live on even if we “don’t beat the tar out of them”

by tiger24 on Jul 17, 2010 2:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

I just want to know what the problem is...

Is it coaching that keeps us from beating UT and OU?

Is it talent?

Is it some kind of bad luck/karma?

Is it overconfidence?

I mean, if Appalachian State can beat Michigan, surely someday Mizzou can beat OU and UT.

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by Kpz1234 on Jul 18, 2010 6:18 PM CDT reply actions  

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