Nebraska: Beyond the Box Score Defensive Preview
Yesterday we took a look at a unit that possibly has more pressure on it than any other unit in the Big 12 conference. If the Nebraska offense is suddenly good, holy mackerel. If not, they will hold the Huskers back once again. Today we look at the reason why NU's ceiling is considered so high despite the fact that their offense ranked directly between Utah State's and Louisiana Tech's on last year's Offensive F/+ list: the Blackshirts.
Since we're playing the comparisons game, let's take a look at the two teams surrounding Nebraska in the Defensive F/+ rankings the last three seasons.
- 2007 (Nebraska's rank: 102nd): Idaho and New Mexico State
- 2008 (68th): Miami and Bowling Green
- 2009 (4th): Iowa and Ohio State
In two years, Nebraska's defense has gone from Idaho-level to Ohio State-level. Damn. Now the question facing the Flying Pelini Brothers' defense is the same one the Mizzou offense faced last year: can they achieve the same heights with a new set of stars? The answer for Mizzou, of course, was no. They replaced Chase Daniel, Jeremy Maclin and Chase Coffman with Blaine Gabbert, Danario Alexander and ... well, Danario Alexander, and the results were mixed. Their offensive rankings didn't fall off a cliff by any means, but they did fall -- from fourth in 2007 and 10th in 2008 to 38th in 2009. With mostly the same coaching staff (obviously there was one key change) and plenty of solid returning players (including Derrick Washington and a transcendent Alexander), they tumbled a decent amount. Is that what we can expect from Nebraska after the loss of not only Ndamukong Suh, but also safeties Larry Asante and Matt O'Hanlon, linebacker Phil Dillard and end Barry Turner? Is depth going to be a bigger problem than we think with this team? Let's take a look.
Defense
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Overall Ranks F/+: 4th S&P+: 5th Standard Downs S&P+: 5th Redzone S&P+: 3rd Q1 S&P+: 2nd 1st Down S&P+: 6th |
Rushing Ranks Rushing S&P+: 10th Standard Downs: 9th Redzone: 15th Adj. Line Yards: 30th |
Passing Ranks Passing S&P+: 4th Standard Downs: 6th Redzone: 3rd Adj. Sack Rate: 8th |
Whereas the Nebraska offense ranked among the Top 30 in one of the 30 categories listed above, the Nebraska defense did so in every single category. Utilizing what was possibly (probably?) the best defensive line in college football, they generated pressure and stopped the run on standard downs, then fanned out and shut down the pass on passing downs. They faced seven teams that finished with winning records in 2009, and they allowed more than 16 points only once -- they gave up 31 to Texas Tech, but they only allowed 259 yards in that game and were hampered significantly by an offense that had five punts, two field goal attempts (one missed), a fumble (returned for a touchdown) and a turnover on downs in their first nine drives. Even including Tech, Nebraska allowed just 12 points per game against the good teams on their schedule. Aside from an odd 403-yard glitch against Colorado (they always give up more points and yards to Colorado than should be expected -- in 2008-09, Missouri gave up 17 points to the Buffs, and Nebraska gave up 51 ... go figure), this defense was untouchable, especially as the season progressed.
Rankings History
| Category | 2005 Rk |
2006 Rk |
2007 Rk |
2008 Rk |
2009 Rk |
| F/+ | N/A* | 28 | 102 | 68 | 4 |
| S&P+ | 41 | 29 | 77 | 41 | 5 |
| Success Rate+ | 27 | 19 | 72 | 23 | 6 |
| PPP+ | 54 | 38 | 77 | 53 | 2 |
| Rushing S&P+ | 56 | 22 | 98 | 60 | 10 |
| Passing S&P+ | 30 | 35 | 51 | 28 | 4 |
| Standard Downs S&P+ | 22 | 23 | 52 | 51 | 5 |
| Passing Downs S&P+ | 34 | 50 | 102 | 31 | 1 |
| Adj. Line Yards | 53 | 10 | 64 | 48 | 30 |
| Adj. Sack Rate | 3 | 51 | 110 | 3 | 8 |
| * F/+ data does not exist for offenses and defenses until the 2006 season. |
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To get an appropriate appreciation for both the Pelini Brothers and Ndamukong Suh, one only has to look at where this defense was as recently as 2007. In Bill Callahan's and Kevin Cosgrove's final season in Lincoln, the Huskers couldn't rush the quarterback (even with a sophomore Suh) and couldn't stop the run, and when they did stop the run, they couldn't keep from giving up big play after big play on passing downs. Granted, that was a one-year outlier -- they were solid in 2005 and good in 2006 -- but still. It was comical how, even with decent talent and athleticism, they allowed good offenses to do whatever they wanted. As mentioned yesterday, Missouri and Kansas combined for 117 points and 1,178 yards against the Huskers' defense in 2007. And even though Nebraska improved in 2008, they still gave up 87 points and 884 yards to the Tigers and Jayhawks. In 2009? A whopping 29 points and 560 yards. Yes, Missouri was doing alright before Ndamukong Suh assassinated Blaine Gabbert's ankle, but while they might have won with a healthy Gabbert, they still weren't going to move the ball that much.
Defensive Line
2009 Unit Ranking: 5th (2nd in the Big 12)
Projected DE Depth Chart
Pierre Allen (6'5, 265, Sr., 35.0 tackles, 12 TFL/sacks, 1 FF, 5 PBU)
Cameron Meredith (6'4, 265, So., 17.0 tackles, 1 TFL/sacks, 2 PBU)
Josh Williams (6'4, 255, So., 2.5 tackles)
Faron Klingelhoefer (6'2, 265, Jr., 1.5 tackles)
Jason Ankrah (6'4, 260, RSFr.)
Conor McDermott (6'2, 255, So.)
Projected DT Depth Chart
Jared Crick (6'6, 285, Jr., 52.0 tackles, 15 TFL/sacks, 2 FR, 4 PBU)
Baker Steinkuhler (6'6, 290, So., 11.5 tackles, 1 TFL/sacks, 2 PBU)
Terrence Moore (6'3, 285, Jr., 1.5 tackles)
Justin Jackson (6'3, 270, So., 0.5 tackles)
Jay Guy (6'1, 305, Fr.)
Josh Molek (6'3, 245, So.)
How much of a difference can a single player make on a defense? We will find out the answer this season. Here were Ndamukong Suh's numbers in 2009:
- 68.5 tackles, 24 TFL/sacks, 1 INT (you remember this one), 1 FF, 10 passes broken up, 26 QB hurries, 3 blocked kicks.
As a frame of reference, that's more tackles than Andrew Gachkar, more tackles for loss than Aldon and Jacquies Smith combined, more interceptions than Carl Gettis, more forced fumbles than all of Missouri's defensive tackles combined, more passes broken up than Gettis and Kevin Rutland combined, more QB hurries than Missouri's entire team*, and more blocked kicks than Missouri's entire team. Complete insanity.
* Note: I don't focus much on QB hurries because everybody records them COMPLETELY differently ... but it's still a fun tidbit.
When we read about how the Pelinis have figured things out, and how the defense was more than just one person, and Nebraska can expect to be just as good or better on defense despite the loss of House of Spears, all I can say is ... prove it. I don't mean that in a smack-talking way, I just mean that ... damn, Suh was amazing last year. He commanded double- and triple-teams, opened up the blocking for the rest of the line, and still put up those stats. There is no doubt in my mind that the Nebraska coaching staff had something to do with his success, and that they can be expected to coach up Jared Crick and other tackles in the future ... but that was a once-in-a-decade type of performance last year. And the thing about once-in-a-decade performances is ... they don't happen every year. (Brilliant observation, I know.)
While the defensive line also has to replace Barry Turner (39.5 tackles, 16 TFL/sacks, 1 FF, 1 FR, 5 PBU ... a damn solid player himself), let's talk about what Nebraska does return. Everything starts with Crick. The Sporting News, who seemingly gets more senile each year (but that's neither here nor there), named Jared Crick the best player in college football this year. Hey, no pressure. And who knows ... maybe he really is going to be that good. Maybe the staff has figured things out so well that whoever they place in the middle is going to be an All-American. But I'll just say this: Crick is going to face all the double- and triple teams Suh took on last year. And while his stats were rather outlandish themselves in 2009 (15 tackles for loss from a defensive tackle is outstanding -- we were pretty pleased with Dominique Hamilton last year, and he managed only 5.5), he was the beneficiary of consistent single-teaming next to Suh. The whole ballgame changes for him in 2010. For all we know, he'll be up to the challenge. But one shouldn't assume.
One also shouldn't assume that Baker Steinkuhler is going to be a world-beater as Suh's replacement (or, really, as Crick's replacement while Crick replaces Suh). He has the blue-chip pedigree and the best last name a Nebraska player can have, but his stats suggest more of a space-eating defensive tackle than a play-maker. To be sure, space eaters can be tremendous weapons -- Gerald McCoy's stats never really jumped off the page at OU, but he was fantastic -- but Nebraska's defense last year was so unique because of the line's playmaking ability. If Steinkuhler is eating up blockers instead of eating up quarterbacks and running backs, that means an untested linebacking corps is going to have to make more plays this time around. Not saying they can't do it, of course; just saying that they're as unproven as anybody else.
Three other quick notes:
- There's not a lot of depth here. If Crick, Steinkuhler or Allen go down, then Nebraska is relying on an EXTREMELY young, unproven batch of players.
- I swear, Pierre Allen has played for Nebraska for approximately 17 seasons. That dude has been around forever.
- I know it sounds like I'm being very hard on the Nebraska D-line. To be sure, even without Suh this is possibly the most proven line in the conference, and it is the single reason I'm not confident in Missouri's ability to win in Lincoln for the second straight trip. I'm being hard on them because a) everybody else is talking them up, so there's no point in me rehashing all of that, and b) there are concrete, definable reasons why this line might not be nearly as successful as last season. With all the offseason talk of NU's defense getting better in 2010, I have to point out the fact that there are indeed a few red flags here.
Linebackers
2009 Unit Ranking: 1st (1st in the Big 12)
Projected Depth Chart
Will Compton (6'2, 225, So., 28.5 tackles, 1 TFL/sacks, 2 PBU)
Sean Fisher (6'6, 235, So., 22.5 tackles, 2.5 TFL/sacks, 1 FR)
Mathew May (6'1, 215, Jr., 5.5 tackles)
Matt Holt (6'0, 210, So.)
Eric Martin (6'2, 240, So.)
Matt Manninger (6'1, 220, So.)
How oddly brilliant was Nebraska's defensive line in 2009? Good enough to get the linebacking corps ranked No. 1 in my ratings, despite the fact that their linebackers didn't really contribute a whole lot to the box score. These ratings are based on statistical profiles, not individual achievement, and Nebraska's defensive profile was just off-the-charts strange in 2009.
For all intents and purposes, Nebraska ran a 4-2-5 in 2009. Maybe even a 4-1-6. With the line so wonderfully able to create pressure on its own, Bo Pelini made a very adept move: he ran mostly a nickel package to swarm the passes that quarterbacks were actually able to get off before they got sacked. When you think back to Nebraska's fourth-quarter run against Missouri, it was a perfect strategy. After Niles Paul scored on the long touchdown and Suh speared Gabbert's over-the-middle pass, Nebraska took a 13-12 lead and pounced. Gabbert was unable to put the extra zip into his passes because of his ankle, and Nebraska dropped what seemed like 17 defensive backs into coverage. All over-the-middle routes were covered, so Gabbert had to go to the sidelines ... and without the oopmh on his passes, Dejon Gomes stepped in front of an out route. Ballgame. A great defensive line is the best asset a defense can have -- if you can stop the run without help, and you can generate pressure on the quarterback without blitzing, you can focus everybody else on stopping the pass.
What this means is that we know very, very little about Nebraska's linebackers. The only one who produced a lot -- Phil Dillard (64.0 tackles, 11 TFL/sacks, 1 FF, 1 INT, 3 PBU) -- is with the New York Giants now, leaving behind a super young group of players. Of the six I listed above, five are sophomores, and the only junior recorded single-digit tackles last year. A lot has been said about former four-star Missouri product Will Compton, about how he didn't follow Blaine Gabbert to Columbia ... and about just how strange/creepy his recruitment was; but almost none of it is in regard to the job he did on the field last season. Basically, he made quite a few tackles while making very few plays (tackles for loss, turnovers forced, passes broken up), and while he is making a few preseason all-conference lists, it is based entirely on potential, not production. Like Crick, Steinkuhler, etc., Compton might just be as good as everybody says ... he just has to prove it first.
Compton is the show pony of the unit -- I'm pretty sure nobody else on this list was tremendously highly-ranked in terms of recruiting. Does that really matter? Not necessarily. As long as the defensive line is wrecking shop, the Nebraska linebackers just have to play smart and clean up messes. But as I mentioned above, if the linebackers are actually required to make plays this year, we haven't seen definitive proof that they can. Like the line, this should be a solid unit by all means ... remember, I'm looking at everything from the skeptical "They're going to be even better this year!!" eye. But I have no reason to believe this unit will be better in 2010 than they were in 2009, when Dillard was doing his thing.
Secondary
2009 Unit Ranking: 6th (2nd in the Big 12)
Projected CB Depth Chart
Prince Amukamara (6'1, 205, Sr., 52.5 tackles, 3 TFL/sacks, 5 INT, 1 FF, 11 PBU)
Alfonzo Dennard (5'10, 195, Jr., 26.0 tackles, 4 TFL/sacks, 8 PBU)
Lance Thorell (6'1, 200, Jr., 5.5 tackles, 1 PBU)
Anthony Blue (5'10, 185, Jr., 4.0 tackles)
Justin Blatchford (6'1, 200, So., 3.0 tackles)
Andrew Green (6'0, 190, RSFr.)
Projected S Depth Chart
DeJon Gomes (6'0, 200, Sr., 36.0 tackles, 4 TFL/sacks, 4 INT, 3 FF, 5 PBU)
Eric Hagg (6'2, 210, Sr., 35.0 tackles, 7 TFL/sacks, 1 INT, 1 FF, 4 PBU)
P.J. Smith (6'2, 210, So., 11.5 tackles, 1 PBU)
Anthony West (6'0, 205, Sr., 10.0 tackles, 4 PBU)
Rickey Thenarse (6'0, 210, Sr., 7.0 tackles, 1 FF)
Corey Cooper (6'2, 200, Fr.)
Austin Cassidy (6'1, 210, Jr., 7.5 tackles, 1 PBU)
Courtney Osborne (6'3, 200, So., 1.0 tackles)
Micah Kreikemeier (6'3, 220, So.)
So I've acknowledged that Nebraska is, at worst-case scenario, going to have a good front seven. I've tried to tamp down the hype a bit, but yeah, they're certainly going to be strong. Now let me tell you why you should maybe be as afraid of the Nebraska secondary as you are of the defensive line.
No headline made me happier in January than this one from Double Extra Point: Rumor Mill: Prince Amukamara to NFL. While the secondary wouldn't have looked nearly as good last season without the defensive line setting them up to succeed, Bo Pelini has put together a unit of defensive backs with the absolute perfect mindset for this defense. The line gives them a safety net, but they swarm, they take chances, and they take the ball away from the other team. I was very excited about the thought that Amukamara might be gone, but alas, it was just a rumor. He returns, as do Alfonzo Dennard, DeJon Gomes, and Eric Hagg. It's amazing how many recognizable names Nebraska has in the secondary considering the fact that they lost Larry Asante and Matt O'Hanlon (and seriously, how in the hell does Rickey Thenarse still have eligibility??), but that shows you just how many defensive backs (particularly safeties) were on the field last season. If the front seven can avoid a significant dropoff -- if they're just a little worse instead of a lot -- the secondary could make up the difference. Nebraska has four all-conference contenders in this unit, though obviously they could face a tougher road if the guys in front of them aren't generating as much pressure.
Special Teams
2009 Unit Ranking: 2nd (1st in the Big 12)
Place-kicking: 2nd
Net Punting: 81st
Net Kicking: 1st
Returns: 13th
Projected Starters
K Alex Henery (6'2, 175, Sr., 38-for-38 PAT, 24-for-28 FG, Long: 52)
P Alex Henery (6'2, 175, Sr., 77 punts, 41.4 average)
KR Niles Paul (6'1, 220, Sr., 16 returns, 27.9 average)
PR Niles Paul (6'1, 220, Sr., 38 returns, 10.7 average, 1 TD)
Now for the other reason Nebraska won ten games despite a putrid offense in 2009: their special teams unit was great. One primary trait set them apart from Mizzou regarding the unit as a whole: touchbacks. Alex Henery missed three more field goals than Grant Ressel in 2009, but he's got a stronger leg, and opponents were consistently starting their drives at the 20-yard line. As if the defense needed any favors, they got one in opponents having to drive 10-15 yards further against Nebraska than Missouri. That adds up quickly. Henery is a great weapon (and finally a senior), as is Niles Paul, who is a better return man than he is a receiver ... more consistent, anyway.
(UPDATE: it's been pointed out to me that Adi Kunalic was the kickoffs guy last year. I was confident enough in that being Henery that I didn't even verify it. Whoops. Regardless, I believe Kunalic returns this year too, so that part of their special teams arsenal should be equally strong in 2010.)
Though basically a two-man unit, Nebraska's special teams will start 2010 atop the Big 12, with Oklahoma and others taking aim. If Henery improves in his punting this season ... yikes.
Summary
Just because there's a chance that as many Husker fans read this piece as they did the offensive piece yesterday, I want to make something very clear one more time: Nebraska's defense is going to be good in 2010. Potentially very good. I was relatively critical of the front seven, and for one simple reason: it's not a foregone conclusion that this defense will be a Top 10 unit again, or even Top 20. Top 30-40? Absolutely. But with the losses of Suh, Dillard, Turner, etc., the depth on the front seven is a question mark, as is Jared Crick's ability to handle the double-teams that Suh faced last year. We don't yet know what Compton, Fisher, and the other linebackers are capable of, and we don't know if Cameron Meredith, Josh Williams and the other defensive ends opposite Allen are going to be able to do a good Barry Turner impersonation. There is a lot we don't know about this defense.
And of course, there is a lot we do know. We know that if you have to attempt to replace Suh, doing so with a five-star recruit (Steinkuhler) is a pretty good way to go about it. We know that Nebraska has the deepest, most proven secondary in the conference (and only Texas comes close). We know that Crick and Allen were rock solid in 2009. We know that the Pelini brothers will maximize the effectiveness of the players on the field.
We also know that the special teams unit is fantastic.
(Actually, one more thing we do know: Nebraska did not get screwed in the Big 12 championship. There was a second left when McCoy's idiotic pass hit something out of bounds. It was a tremendously stupid play on his part, but it was the right call. Get over it. You really don't want to play the "We got screwed" game with Missouri fans. But I digress.)
As I mentioned yesterday, Nebraska is in line to have a very good season. The offense only has to improve as much as the defense regresses for Nebraska to be the favorite in the North and throw a scare into Texas in Lincoln in October (damn, do I wish Missouri played Nebraska either the week before or the week after the Texas game, instead of two weeks after). Again, where I start tut-tutting people here is when we start talking about this team as a national title contender. For them to be a true contender, the offense and defense will have to improve, and I just see too many question marks, too many unknowns, on this defense for that to be the case. Very good? Possibly. Better? No.
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I think Pierre Allen was the guy who Brad Smith stiff-armed back in 03
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Crick is the most over-hyped player in the country. He is a good defensive tackle but he feasted on blocks that good or very good DTs on other teams never see.
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Jul 23, 2010 10:39 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
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I feel the same way.
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by pinkelposse on Jul 23, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I guess
we’ll find out this season, won’t we? :)
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by Jon Johnston on Jul 23, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Nicely done
A few observations/opinions. Suh was a once a decade (on longer) player. His agility combined with that strength is extremely rare. But, in my opinion, believe it or not, I think he is getting to much credit for Crick’s performance last year. That was true early on but Suh admitted that by the middle of the year he was seeing significantly less double teams due to Crick improving and getting more confidence. Crick will not be another Suh (no one will) but he is damn good. Also, you didn’t mention Eric Martin which is understandible unless you read the 9 million Husker articles in the NE papers written in the off season. The coaches are huge on this kid. He was special teams terror with big hit after big hit. But, he didn’t see the field much as an LB because he was young (and immature) and failed to learn the system enought to be counted on. He admitted he used to sleep in the meetings last year. That was in the paper. I don’t think Bo found any humor in that. You were right on re seeing more nickel and dime (and quarter?) toward the end of the year. They were so successful that it may be our base defense this year. They have actually officially removed a linebacker position. Only 2 positions now. Hopefully Baker Steinkuhler is as good as advertised. His brother was damn good 2 yrs ago and Baker is bigger and supposedly better. Should be a great year if our offensive isn’t offensive.
Regarding Martin...
…over the years, I’ve seen so many players generate huge offseason hype and disappear when the season starts (not just about Nebraska players — about players at every school) that I tend to somewhat ignore it as much as possible and focus on who’s actually done something on the field. I could tell you how excited I am about Donovan Bonner (linebacker) or Matt White (safety), but until they actually prove it, it doesn’t matter much.
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Ok
I guess I’m basing it on the ability I saw on the field on the special teams and the coaches’ comments. You can see this kid has a motor and talent. But I see your point. I’ve seen some of these guys in action for the few plays they were in whereas you likely did not. I’m looking at the potential of these guys based on that, where you are only assessing based on the a player’s stats in that position. Martin won’t disappear due to not being able to compete. If he does it will be because he doesn’t grow up and take things a little more seriously.
Yeah, but same with the offseason hype guys here. We get some glimpses of them in practices and scrimmage (those who follow such things anyway… not I, for the record) and come out raving about the things they can do. But games are different… the head space is different, the complexity is different…
So yeah, we’ll see :)
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(Actually, one more thing we do know: Nebraska did not get screwed in the Big 12 championship. There was a second left when McCoy’s idiotic pass hit something out of bounds. It was a tremendously stupid play on his part, but it was the right call. Get over it. You really don’t want to play the “We got screwed” game with Missouri fans. But I digress.)
You are correct. Nebraska kicked the ball out of bounds. Nebraska settled for a FG after the pick. Nebraska was called for a real horse collar. Can we now stop hearing about how MU could have/would have/should have won the game last year? ALL I hear is that MU would have won IF it wasn’t raining, IF the injury didn’t occur, IF MU had a DB worth a lick….you name it.
As for the review of the D…..I agree. Good assessment and fair analysis. Maybe you should try and take over for a homer like Mike DeArmond.
by JimmytheRed on Jul 23, 2010 11:19 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
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by SleepyFloyd7 on Jul 23, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
I think he was talking less about the game last year
than maybe the game in 1997, or the game against Colorado in 1990. Or, if you want to get into basketball, Tyus Edney.
Husker fans talk about how fans of other teams don’t understand what it is to be a Nebraska fan. I would contend that no other fanbase knows what it’s like to be kicked in the junk over and over again like Missouri fans do.
Making fun of the "Mizzou Needs a Fullback" Club since...well, for a while, anyway.
Um, yeah, just slightly.
Not even remotely referring to last year’s MU-NU game. That’s about 117th on the list of “What If’s” Mizzou has had to deal with…
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strictly speaking about last year’s game. There wasn’t any fluke plays like a kicked ball or a 5th down…..complain all you want about those, but a game where it rained and using it as an excuse for a loss is lame. I don’t want to get into a junk busted match with Mizzou as I feel over time the ball has bounced in the opposite direction as a whole. I think the Mizzou program has come a long way and is at this moment in time and over the course of the last decade equal to NU. Not in tradition, but right now these programs are very close. I do believe that with Pinkel MU may not go any further and I also believe that with Bo we have the opportunity to return to the past tradition and compete at the national level again. This of course is my Husker opinion just as you have your Mizzou opinion.
Good luck this coming year (except in Lincoln).
Who's using the rain as an excuse?
I don’t see that anywhere in my post.
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Agree. You personally never said that. It has been other posters. I only replied to yours to keep the same train of thought in one place.
I assume you're talking about me
I never claimed that Mizzou would have won if it hadn’t rained or if Gabbert hadn’t been hurt, but I do think those situations gave Nebraska an advantage last year. I laid out my case and that’s that. If you want to call it whining, go ahead, but I stand by my argument.
Nope.
I know it’s probably irrational
but I can’t help but see Nebraska as not being any better than they were in 2008, and it stems from a (again, probably irrational) belief that we beat them by at least a touchdown last year if not for the hurricane
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I must say a few MU posters stepped up to quiet that talk down. It really isn’t so much on this board, but there are tons of MU fans i run into here in KC that tell me they think we were lucky and the rain was their excuse, otherwise, it is a blowout and such.
btw, I really don’t want to belabor this subject anymore. Can’t we just call it history and then maybe a few KUers could be awaiting for it then?
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Maybe I should have used "probably irrational" a third time?
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by Transmogrified Tiger on Jul 23, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I get it. Say something without saying it. You can deny that you think you should have won that way by putting things like (probably irrational) in your message and then when someone calls you on it you can back track.
You’re ugly, just kidding. You suck, just kidding. I hate you, just kidding. We should have won, just kidding.
by JimmytheRed on Jul 24, 2010 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions
No, not at all
The point is that the game happened in pretty extreme circumstances and wouldn’t have been a shock if it went the other way. Which segued into the larger point that you truncated, that this close game played in a monsoon is more or less the difference between 2008 and 2009 Nebraska, while the perception is that the program took a huge step forward.
If I wanted to say something I would say it, like it’s borderline ridiculous to hold up that quote from yesterday as some sort of petulant whining, especially when you cut out the entirety of the context that the quote was made.
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by Transmogrified Tiger on Jul 24, 2010 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions
you beat us 52-17! So if it hadn’t rained the game would have looked more like that? We averaged a 20 point loss in 2008 with 2 HUGE blowouts. In 2009 we averaged 6.25 points per loss with 1 blowout to TT. How does this one monsoon make us more like the previous year? I think you are placing a lot on the rain making the game close when it seems evident to me where once the rain actually stopped, NU began to roll. I think you should read below this post because I think more MU fans think that the rain should have continued for you to have a chance.
Once again, good luck this year (except in Lincoln).
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by threadkiller on Jul 24, 2010 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It is worth noting that the rain favored Nebraska's style of play
If you’re trying to compare the two squads for a rematch with largely similar personnel a year later.
It seemed to favor us just fine for three quarters...
…while I think the Gabbert injury waylaid us (so too did Gettis’ injury), I just can’t make myself think the rain had a part to play. We completely grounded their offense for three quarters. They couldn’t move the ball until they went deep on our backup corner. We had chance to put the game away and just couldn’t do it…either because of Gabbert’s ankle or just plain old missed opportunities.
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Not to mention..
As I have said many times. The fourth quarter was when the rain started to let up. And how did that go again?
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yepper
funny thing is, I was cursing the conditions before the game, but by the beginning of the fourth, I was thinking ‘OK, keep raining, and we will win this thing’. Neither here nor there, but I actually think we win like 15-3 or something if it stays miserable.
But no excuses, they won, we lost, tis what it tis.
All I have to say to that...
…is that 12-0 is a stereotypical bad weather score. Did you happen to see the Deluge Game between the Chiefs and Seahawks about ten years ago? There was flash flooding in the stands, the JoCo fans fled in terror by the half, and the middle of the field was a giant mud slick because the only plays they could reasonably get off were runs which turned the game into trench warfare. That’s a bit more extreme an example that the Mizzou game, but the same principle applies. I do believe that Gabbert’s injury probably had more of an effect in the late game due to the horrible mistakes he made, which put Nebraska in great field position. If they had had to consistently make plays from the 20 instead of getting great field position on turnovers, I doubt Zac Lee would have been as effective as he was in the second half.
Word.
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This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we’ll be lucky to live through it.
The sleeper has awoken. . .awakened. . .he woke up.
by SleepyFloyd7 on Jul 23, 2010 11:33 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for Hunt for Red October
Always with the awesome references Sleepy.
+ 10 Blaines to you
Given enough velocity even a pig will fly
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 23, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Awesome
I like the “prove it” statements because that’s exactly what this unit has to do. They may actually do that very thing, however evidence remains to be seen.
All coaches hype up players in the off season. How do you get young guys who are buried in the depth chart the confidence to go out and do something? Tell people about them. Get their name in the paper so that cute girl in Music Appreciation 101 friends them on Face-Twit, or that Grandma/pa can buy a punch of newspapers to hand out at Bingo.
You have to build ’em up, before you let them in the Thunder Dome.
Of course this same sentiment can be said for all units of all schools to an extant. But I assume this last sentence will be ignored and ’Huskers gonna get riled.
/NU wave-o-trolls engage!
Given enough velocity even a pig will fly
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 23, 2010 11:36 AM CDT reply actions
Don't
confuse the Pelini bros with the Callahan regime. Callahan blew smoke up everybody’s arse including his own. He conned people in the pre-season to believing a team would beat USC only to be embarrassed them as well as OSU, T&M and others. Pelini doesn’t do that at all. He doesn’t allow a recruit/freshman to talk to the media until they have actually played in a game. He just reades their names, positions, and home towns on signing day.
I agree with you Pelinis do not blow smoke
But their are other players on the team than just freshman/recruit to hype to the media, this is what I was referring to.
Actually it doesn’t matter.
Good luck this year. I hope NU beats Washington. It feels good when the Pac-10 suffers.
Given enough velocity even a pig will fly
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 23, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Naw, We're not gonna get riled
Because this was an EXCELLENT article that your last couple of digs don’t spoil.
Prove it is right (kind of goes nicely with that “Show Me state” thing) – even us Husker fans realize there is a lot of hype around a lot of question marks as Bill has artfully pointed out.
by UltimaRatioRegum on Jul 23, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
In defense of NU fans...
I should point out to MVPRC that the majority of NU posters that have come over here in the last two days have been nowhere even close to “troll” range, save one or two. We’ve seen much, MUCH worse before.
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The difference between here and BOTC is you don’t have a moderator and his cronies form a circle and in the best junior high fashion try to “out cool” you with what basically amounts to “I know you are, but what am I?” before patting themselves on the back for creating such a mega-post monument to their juvenile greatness.
I also notice folks here seem to be able to post without resorting to four letter words, insults, and slurs for “humor” or “dramatic effect”, and for that I again commend and thank you.
by UltimaRatioRegum on Jul 24, 2010 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions
bro claps!
Great Odin's Raven I love Mike "The Predator" Dixon!
by pinkelposse on Jul 24, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Quiet,
Or I’ll slap you with the other white glove.

The sleeper has awoken. . .awakened. . .he woke up.
by SleepyFloyd7 on Jul 24, 2010 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is all true
My digs were in jest and not actually pointed at any poster here. I should remember that, and not dig.
Given enough velocity even a pig will fly
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 23, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Bill, excellent analysis as always.
The MU-NU game in Lincoln this year will tell a lot, but it really boils down to the question of who deals with their losses better.
While I obviously hope for another 2008-style curbstomping, I’m guessing that game’s going to be a doozy.
Making fun of the "Mizzou Needs a Fullback" Club since...well, for a while, anyway.
Good Article(s)
Very fair analysis of both the offense and defense of Nebraska… I expected a more angry and biased assessment coming from Missouri, but I guess that comes from my own bias against Missouri. I will definitely red more of your blogs in the future.
Thank you much.
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Bill C is indeed win
I don’t think we RMNers tell him that enough, honestly >.<
Bill, You Sir Are My Fan Site Hero
You have presented in both these articles a well thought out, factual analysis that no one will argue with much. The fact that you did so in a lay-it-on-the-table-here’s-what-it-is manner without resorting to snide taunts is much appreciated.
You could have easily taken the low road and phoned in some pandering fan-porn with these last couple of articles (like some others recently have done), but you put a lot of thought and work into it and consequently the level of dialog here is respectful.
Thank You
by UltimaRatioRegum on Jul 23, 2010 1:52 PM CDT reply actions
Oh there were still a few snide comments here and there...
…but I try to dial it down as much as my brain will let me. :-)
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fan-porn
Why was I not aware of this? Where is this stuff? What is this stuff?
So many questions left unanswered.
:)
Given enough velocity even a pig will fly
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 23, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHA
/watch out for nuclear finger!
Given enough velocity even a pig will fly
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 24, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions
There's far too much cordiality going on between Mizzou and Nebraska fans.
NEBRASKA SUCKS! THEY’RE STUPID AND DUMB AND STUPID! GO MISSOURI YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
/doesn’t mean any of the above
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--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
None of the above?
So you want Missouri to lose?
/idiot snark reply
We didn't get screwed.
(Actually, one more thing we do know: Nebraska did not get screwed in the Big 12 championship. There was a second left when McCoy’s idiotic pass hit something out of bounds. It was a tremendously stupid play on his part, but it was the right call. Get over it. You really don’t want to play the “We got screwed” game with Missouri fans. But I digress.)
Had Nebraska not kicked the ball out of bounds and not had a 15-yard personal foul penalty on that last drive :01 would have been irrelevant. Nebraska shot themselves in the foot on that last drive.
A great defensive line is the best asset a defense can have.
That can keep any team in any game.
A civilized discussion . . .
. . . may not be as entertaining, but it certainly is more informative and thought-provoking. Even small insights from each contributor can lead to greater understanding of what might happen in October – of course, we still have to wait and see what unexpected variables arise, but that is part of the anticipation. Great article, Bill – and excellent comments y’all!
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AHHHH!!!!!!!
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Bloggers?
The sleeper has awoken. . .awakened. . .he woke up.
by SleepyFloyd7 on Jul 23, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
A good ol' lovefest.
If anyone wants to read an article that is the opposite of unbiased toward Nebraska, this one qualifies for “fan-porn”… But at least the feeling’s mutual between us (Nebraska) and them.
That article is ridiculous.
Many of his statements are patently untrue, and above all, he compared Nebraska to a team that over the past decade has been just as good if not better than Texas.
He’s a goober.
“Pelini is from the Stoops’ coaching tree.”
Um… No. He worked for Iowa, the 49ers, the Packers, the Patriots, and the Huskers all before stepping foot on the OU sidelines. Unless he’s talking about old man Stoops from their Cardinal Mooney days in high school.
“They’ve become Oklahoma.”
Oklahoma has just as many nat’l championships, more conference championships, and more Heisman winners over the past 10 years than Texas.
“Nebraska is still butt-hurt over 0:01.”
Do Nebraska fans even bring this up anymore? I know when other people speak of it, we usually engage, but it is hardly ever brought up by NU fans. Mind you, he’s a member of the fanbase that’s still bitching about OU getting into the BigXII title game in 2008.
Take the article for what it’s worth, if it were on Twitter it would be trending as #shotsfired.
[Osborne's] school has this ultimatum from Texas to either spit or get off the pot. Commit to the Big 12, Texas is saying, or we'll take this Pac-10 offer, rake in more cash and kiss the Big 12 goodbye. It's on you, Nebraska. Texas is good at this sort of thing -- it could blame Cadillac for those Toyota brake problems and get away with it. - Dennis Dodd
by Screwface on Jul 24, 2010 12:35 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
thank you
for making me vomit on my keyboard.
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by threadkiller on Jul 23, 2010 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions
That sure is a lot of . . .
. . . big talk. I will be rooting for the Corn that day, not because I especially like or respect them, but because we do not play Texas – at least not until the championship game – and it would help our RPI if Nebraska wins and we are then able to come out of Lincoln with a W. Sooooo, for a few months, I will be rooting for the Big Red . . . but only (hopefully) to make the Tigers look better.
You do realize..
That we are talking about Football. And RPI doesn’t count. Personally, I will be rooting against Nebraska, not because I dislike them, but because I want to win the norht.
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for the record
I dislike nebraska
Great Odin's Raven I love Mike "The Predator" Dixon!
by pinkelposse on Jul 24, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
As do I.
But thats not the primary reason I will root against them, as after this offseason I dislike Texas pretty much the same amount.
Annoying You Since 1986
Just another gray moment . . .
. . . how about SOS, will that get me back on the correct sport? If we can’t beat Nebraska, there is little pleasure for me in winning the North by the back door.
This is just the beginning
The week preceding the NU-UT game is going to be ugly. Lots of hack writing like that coming out on both sides. Whoever loses that game is going to be in a lot of pain for a while after.
"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne
Naaah. THIS is fan pr0n. (sorry, too much comity)
Oooh, sports. It’s all kind of silly really. But what an exciting way to be silly :D Woot.
The Nebraska Cornhuskers did not field a football team from '04-'07...
That was the Nebraska School of The Blind that Mizzou beat in ‘07 and ’08, it’s weird but both teams wear the same colors.
[Osborne's] school has this ultimatum from Texas to either spit or get off the pot. Commit to the Big 12, Texas is saying, or we'll take this Pac-10 offer, rake in more cash and kiss the Big 12 goodbye. It's on you, Nebraska. Texas is good at this sort of thing -- it could blame Cadillac for those Toyota brake problems and get away with it. - Dennis Dodd
by Screwface on Jul 23, 2010 10:25 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
This entire post and the ensuing comments are just... GROSS!!!
I can’t believe all of these comments have been cordial, it’s probably because after this year any smack talk or pwnage on the field this season will be totally inconsequential.
Good luck this year, Tigers…
GBR
[Osborne's] school has this ultimatum from Texas to either spit or get off the pot. Commit to the Big 12, Texas is saying, or we'll take this Pac-10 offer, rake in more cash and kiss the Big 12 goodbye. It's on you, Nebraska. Texas is good at this sort of thing -- it could blame Cadillac for those Toyota brake problems and get away with it. - Dennis Dodd
by Screwface on Jul 23, 2010 10:29 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah, it feels a little uncomfortable, doesn't it?
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mizzzzooooourrriiiiiiiiiiii.......
sorry you didnt get your invite to big ten and so sorry for the rest of the little 9 dwarfs ….. IF only you all would of stood up to the one a be teass…..gay horns with us…….lets all put a whoopin on those texasss little goat smokers… Its a crime that those dousch bags are still in our original conference so much history and rivalries. we had .kick them s.o.b. out and hang ……..DAN THE BOOOOOOOBIE ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, OUT TO ROT with the gay horns…………………..
by u.s.army veteran on Jul 25, 2010 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Very diplomatic.
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national title contenders
I think it’s fair to say nobody really knows who will be a contender this season. Alabama is the only team who is returning a big chunk of their core offense and defense. Florida and OU and Texas all replace WR’s and QB’s and core defensive players. USC.. haha. Virginia Tech could make a run in the ACC with Taylor and Evans. Ohio State brings back some talent around pryor. I dont know, I dont think we (NEB) should be in the discussion either but i believe it’s a “fair” assessment to say we are darkhorses in the talk with the schedule and players we do return.
Good points
Given enough velocity even a pig will fly
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 24, 2010 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions
COLT MCCOY AND JORDAN SHIPLEY WERE ROOMMATES!!!!
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by pinkelposse on Jul 24, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Great article man, very spot on I believe. Though I have seen many stating that Crick is way overhyped and overrated, I tend to think he may be overhyped for sure, but don’t think he is overrated by any means. He has the talent and the skills to excel in Pelini’s defense and I think he will have huge numbers. Many said the same about Suh at the beginning of last year and though Crick is no Suh, I do see him being a force on the defense.
Like I said, very insightful and well written article. Great work.
I really wish Texas was playing Mizzou this year
So we could get one of these Beyond the Box Score previews. Good work.
by TheElusiveShadow on Jul 24, 2010 8:31 PM CDT reply actions
On the subject of national title contenders, i will note that Phil Steele reports that 6 out of 9 of his sets give us a 12-0 season. That being noted, these predictions probably don’t account for the fact that every team has a blunder or two throughout the year that cannot be explained. This is especially true for the huskers in the last several years, last years examples being the torching from Texas Tech, and that rediculous loss to Iowa State. I predict a slightly better team overall than last year, but definitely not a title contender.
edit
i didn’t mention for clarity, the 6 of 9 sets for a 12-0 season is for NU.
Great Stuff
Here’s one Husker fan that can admit I’m gonna miss playing you guys. So good luck to you next year and in the future, and Beat Texas!
Go Big Red!
This is great stuff, Bill.
Fair, every last word, including the offensive preview as well. As much as I love my Huskers, I’m worried about NU becoming this year’s 2009 Mississippi. Thank goodness no one will mistake Zac Lee for Jevan Snead.
I do want to second the heads-up on LB Eric Martin, though: if (and that’s a VERY big if) the kid can get the system in his head and get on the regular rotation, lots of plays will be blown up. He’s been a monster on special teams thus far.
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Impressive Preview
Excellent job Bill C. I’ve really enjoyed reading them. Now on to the other 116 teams please.
On another note is Bill C the alias you use on Nebraska material just to spite us? If so well done and might I suggest Kevin C?
great piece
This is an amazingly unbiased real article. You acknowledge the Huskers defense ‘could’ be special but they have to be able to fill the holes and prove it on the field. As a die hard Husker fan who is tired of all the B.S. with most sports magazines just jumping on a bandwagon to tout the Husker defense you jump in here and make it ‘real’, thanks for that. To me every year there are doubts but some people here in Lincoln just assume we are going to be the best team in the world because thats what they read all the time. Keep up the good work and lets hope for a good game against Mizz.

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