Mizzou Links, 7-30-10
by Bill C. on Jul 30, 2010 5:38 AM CDT
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We haven't had a non-football link in two days ... not complaining, mind you, but if anything were to make it perfectly clear that football is right around the corner, that would be it. Anyway, some really fun soap opera stuff about realignment today.
Big 12 Football Links
- You Mean It's Not One Big Happy Marriage Now?
Dr. Saturday: A&M is committed to the Big 12, as long as it paysUniversity president R. Bowen Loftin said in a statement/warning Wednesday that A&M "fully anticipate(s) that the Big 12 will honor its commitment" to distribute $20 million a year to its biggest fish, TAMU, Texas and Oklahoma, beginning in 2012. If it doesn't? A&M will "explore every legal avenue" to get its money, according to another high-ranking official, including the much-rumored defection to the SEC the Aggies held over their rivals' heads when it looked like the rest of the Big 12 South was about to bolt for the Pac-10.
Dallas Morning News (Chuck Carlton): Big 12 affirms its $20 million commitment to Texas A&M
This may look like dysfunction, but that's just how it is with a family, man. You know Beebe's totally good for it. It's Beebe, dawg - So Why Did the Pac-16 Fall Apart Anyway?
CBS Sports (Dennis Dodd): Pac-10's Scott blames Texas for his plan's demise
Wait ... so ... Chip Brown's source was ... WITHIN THE TEXAS ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT??????? I'd have never guessed!!!The website Orangebloods.com was breaking most of the news during that time largely through unnamed sources. It went from being the first to report that the six schools were strongly considering the Pac-10 to detailing the hectic hours as the Big 12 saved itself with the promise of a windfall increase in future television revenue. Scott, though, seemed to suggest that the reporting was driven by a Texas source or sources with an agenda.
"We weren't trying to publicize what we were doing," Scott said. "We were going about it for four months quietly behind the scenes. It's really Texas [that] leaked the plan as they were going into those Big 12 meetings in Kansas City, I think, hoping to keep Nebraska, hoping to keep the Big 12 together."
Asked what person or persons may have leaked the information Scott said, "I don't know ... It could only be a small [amount of people] who knew what was going on."
Coug Center: Texas, Big 12 blame game
KC Star (Campus Corner): Stoops liked Pac-10 possibility - The Norman Transcript: Not about the QBs?
- Kansas
Dallas Morning News: Gill changes culture at Kansas, creates 'positive' environment - Oklahoma State
EDSBS: GOOD TO SEE OKLAHOMA STATE HAS NO REASON TO BE MAD AT THE MEDIA - Texas
Dr. Saturday: The running game is back at Texas. But is it really necessary?
Mizzou Football Links
- The Trib (Dave Matter): Emptying the Notebook: Big 12 Media Days
Whether it’s over a laptop or a late-night beverage, sportswriters gab a lot at these deals, mostly about the upcoming season. And here’s the vibe I got from many of those conversations: No one seems convinced that Nebraska runs away with the North Division. Yes, the Huskers are a heavy favorite, but I heard from more than a few writers something along the lines of, "I picked Nebraska, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see Missouri win the thing." If the Tigers had showed up against Navy and won the Texas Bowl, my guess is Nebraska and Missouri split the first-place votes evenly. And, he might not believe it, but several writers favor Blaine Gabbert over Texas A&M’s Jerrod Johnson as the league’s best quarterback heading into the season. Again, Johnson was the preseason choice on the all-conference team, but the margin of opinion seems thin.
- Post-Dispatch: Pinkel recalls high anxiety
Pinkel added that he had been "out of the loop" on whether MU might be invited into the Big Ten or how the Big 12 would survive.
"I was just kind of like you, sitting around seeing what's going to happen," he said during Big 12 pre-season football media days.
But as the numbers around him dwindled after a news conference, Pinkel acknowledged that the weeks of uncertainty had left him in turmoil.
"It was quite a time," he said, adding, "You have no control over it. You have none."
- KOMU.com: Pinkel meets with Big 12 media
- PowerMizzou: 2010 Tiger Mailbag
- The Trib (Dave Matter): Weatherspoon, Perry sign NFL deals
SI.com: Falcons agree to terms with Weatherspoon - PowerMizzou: Scouting the North: Special Teams
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What? Chip Brown was
fed information? Impossible! He scares people at Texas:
“I think I made the people at Texas totally uncomfortable through this whole thing, to be honest. They are incredibly controlling about information, almost paranoid. So the thought that someone at UT would use me to further their agenda is almost laughable.”
Go Raiders . . .
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He and I have different definitions of "almost".
He seems to define it as “not at all.”
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by SleepyFloyd7 on Jul 30, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
'are incredibly controlling about information, almost paranoid.'
except for what they feed ol’ Brown, Chip by the bucketload, evidently.
Evidently they are incredibly incompetent at being incredibly controlling.
Or maybe incredibly competent at controlling/pushing the general conversation’s direction through copious specific, well-timed leaks to media puppets…
"We were going about it for four months quietly behind the scenes."
And Nebraska was negotiating with the Big Ten to hamstring the conference on their way out. But remember kids, it’s all Missouri’s fault!
The Big 12 is so dead right now
Honestly I’m not sure why the 10 schools that are left are even trying for the next 2-4 years. There will be no Big 12 by 2020, I guarantee it. Probably 2015 or 2016 even.
And anybody who thinks that, in the eventual downfall of the Big 12, Missouri won’t land in a major BCS conference somewhere is most likely wrong. If the Pac 16 had happened the Big 10 would’ve likely gone to at LEAST 14 and probably 16 and by all accounts Mizzou was team number 14 w/o Notre Dame or comfortably within the 16 with Notre Dame. I for one welcome our Big 10 overlords, they may not be a whole lot more equal in treatment once we get there but they’re a hell of a lot more stable and intelligent.
Honestly...
I will no longer put any stock into “all accounts” of conference realignment. If there was one lesson of that whole fiasco, it is that no one — NO ONE — can be trusted to have good information.
/iwanttobelieve
Clearly the people who actually do know things and make the decisions do not share your conifdence...
Otherwise they would have not agreed to possibly give up some of the penalty money form Nubs and Colo to make sure the Big 12 stayed together.
Annoying You Since 1986
I'm not sure that they did
Alden gave an interview about a week after everything went down assuring that Mizzou didn’t forfeit anything in order to keep the conference together. I’m a little disturbed that the story has even popped up again tbh.
IF Mizzou somehow said “sure, we’ll give up our windfall to UT/OU/aTm just so we can keep playing with you guys” then those decision makers need to either grow some stones or be fired.
Actually
As I understand the deal, it is (and always was) that the penalty money will be used to make up the difference to A & M, Texas and OU if there revenues end up being less than $20 million. So Alden may have been correc tto say that we did not agree to give up anythign on the spot, but A & M is basiclaly saying that they intend to force that insurance payour if their revenues come up short.
I would prefer we end up in the Big 10, but I am wondering if our best chance of avoiding a leftovers/Too Big East in the next round of expansion is to try and marry ourselves to A & M and join the SEC.
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Guess I missed the part where ATM should feel entitled.
A&M is the Maverick Carter, a money-sucking entourage member, only known by association, not for any sort of discernible talent. Texas is A&M/Maverick Carter’s LeBron James, a hyped talent that always has a shot to win, yet randomly craps the bed.
TCU > A&M. I’m tired of their bullshit. Pull the trigger and go to another conference.
Former Mizzourah.net asshat
In all seriousness, releasing the Pac 10 discussions was a pretty shrewd move,,,
by UT. There was no downside for UT to release the info and give the ultimatum. UT wasn’t sure about Mizzou and Neb status with the Big Ten, but it was obvious that even if UT and the other Big XII schools played nice, with offers, Mizzou and Neb were gone. But the ultimatum was made, to UT’s chagrin, the Big Ten did accelerate the process to invite Neb, but Mizzou stayed. To be frank, I think the UT ploy probably delayed a Mizzou departure by 10 years, that part worked for UT. And even with the ultimatum and Nebraska leaving, Texas STILL decided to stay with the Big XII.
I am now 100% convinced that regardless of Powers’ previous school affliction, UT has zero interest in the Pac 10 and will only goto the Pac 10 as the least tolerable option.
Love them or hate them, that was pretty smart by UT to use the Pac 10 in that way.
There is one downside
Everyone now knows that the prettiest girl at the dance is, to put it nicely, a mean girl. Any conference planning to negotiate with Texas in the future better be prepared to play hardball.
they are clever cows
Their rep as the cream of the B12 academic crop seems plenty valid. And certainly well vested in cutthroat power politics.
And the whole ‘ploy to get rid of whiny NU’ deal seemed far fetched, but a part of me now wonders if that wasn’t on their list of things they would see as positive outcomes. The hints that NU got an ultimatum, and MU didn’t, plus the ’don’t care what MU does, NU will break up the conf.’ talk seems to hint it’s possible. And I also am coming to believe that it is possible that MU got cold feet and actually told the B10 that they wouldn’t come unless the B12 blew up first. There were some negatives, specifically losing the rivalries, KCMO taking a sizable college sports stature hit, and risking being labeled as a pariah and also having the other B10 schools be pissy toward MU as ‘geez, only MU? we really didn’t want you, sorry.’ NU is no ‘home run’, but their tradition makes it easy to see them as a solid double or something, where many (incorrectly, IMO, when you look deeper) would see MU as bloop single.
Well...
“that MU got cold feet and actually told the B10 that they wouldn’t come unless the B12 blew up first.”
That doesn’t quite jive with the oft reported Big XII summer meetings story in June that the officials from Neb, MU, and CU would not sign that loyalty clause, or whatever it was.
On Neb. relative worth, well, we will just have our own opinions on that one.
That doesn't necessarily prove anything.
Mizzou may or may not have been negotiating with the Big Ten, but regardless, if Texas comes along and demands a loyalty oath that they won’t sign when you know they’re negotiating their own exit, I wouldn’t sign it either. I think Texas swung and missed on that one. I know that I didn’t think much of Nub’s chances of getting into the Big Ten over Mizzou and I don’t think anyone else did either. I’m still not convinced Nub would have gotten the nod, at least not this quickly, if not for the Pac-10’s maneuverings forcing Delany’s hand.
I do think
that part of Nub getting the bid was that Delany wanted ND more than anything, and NU was supposedly the domino that would make UT jump, triggering the super conf. scenario, which would probably get the B10 ND.
And meatybob, I don’t think MU was a bloop single, I think we were just as good (and frankly better on several fronts- markets, established rivalry, same ‘values’) as NU, but NU could be more easily sold as a ‘big deal’. I don’t think they will be all that they are building them up to be- I think NU’s glory days are past, and they will be just another middle of the road program in the B10, not that we would be likely to be any better.
I think the whole ‘ultimatum’ deal is very cloudy- MU did say there was no ultimatum, but NU said there was. Another reason why I wish somebody would do a FOI request to ferret out some of that stuff (on the non-MU sides). Somebody ain’t tellin’ the truth…
I have a feeling that...
… Classy Freddy Nebrasksy used the cane a few times while the ref’s back was turned. I would really like to see those emails…
The best quote in Dodd's article from Brown chip.
“Larry Scott is living in a fantasy world if he thinks DeLoss Dodds or Mack Brown leaked information to me,” Brown said.
Hey Chip, no one mentioned Dodds or Brown by name and you didn’t actually deny that your source was in the Texas AD.
What a moron.
They wouldn't contact him personally
That’s what serfs are for,,,
wish journalists
in other markets had the cojones to file some FOI requests. Bet there is all kinds of juicy stuff out there. Sure Brown, Chip will be requesting soon, as they are already ‘scared’ of him. Nothing to lose relationship-wise, right, Chipper?
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