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McNeese State: Beyond the Box Score

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Confused?  Catch up with the BTBS Primer.

Last week, we got a taste of what can be done when the official play-by-play includes descriptions for runs and passes.  This week: no such luck.  No descriptions to be found.  We'll stick to the typical BTBS and targets/catches data today.  And once again, we'll use the 2009 national averages as your means for deriving what is good and what is not.  Hopefully this continues to help you understand the meaning behind some of the numbers.


McN St.
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Mizzou
(50)

2009 Nat'l
Avg

Close % 30.6%
Field Position %
29.2% 66.7% 50.0%
Leverage %
67.7% 73.9% 68.1%

TOTAL
EqPts 6.5 32.5
Close Success Rate 47.1% 75.0% 41.9%
Close PPP 0.08 0.88 0.32
Close S&P 0.546 1.633 0.741

RUSHING
EqPts 1.3 17.9
Close Success Rate 60.0% 72.7% 42.7%
Close PPP 0.07 1.35 0.29
Close S&P 0.672 2.082 0.717
Line Yards/carry
2.22 4.68 2.90

PASSING
EqPts 5.2 14.7
Close Success Rate 28.6% 76.9% 41.1%
Close PPP 0.08 .49 0.35
Close S&P 0.367 1.254 0.766
Std Downs/
Pass. Downs
Sack Rate
5.9% / 11.1% 0.0% / 6.3% 4.8% / 7.4%

STANDARD DOWNS
Success Rate 43.2% 62.8% 47.7%
PPP 0.08 0.39 0.34
S&P 0.516 1.014 0.812

PASSING DOWNS
Success Rate 19.1% 55.6% 29.9%
PPP 0.13 0.71 0.29
S&P 0.323 1.267 0.594

TURNOVERS
Number 5 2
Turnover Pts 21.5 8.3
Turnover Pts Margin
-13.2 +13.2

Q1 S&P 0.573 1.409 0.747
Q2 S&P 0.124 1.179 0.733
Q3 S&P 0.244 0.906 0.750
Q4 S&P 0.709 0.392 0.716

1st Down S&P 0.364 1.040 0.766
2nd Down S&P 0.461 1.241 0.733
3rd Down S&P 0.622 0.772 0.701

Projected Pt. Margin
+39.2
Actual Pt. Margin
+44

What can we glean from this?

  • Mizzou was clinically effective.  As we'll see in a little bit, this was one of the more perfect displays of putting away a lesser opponent that the country has seen this season.  We can say "Yeah, but it was McNeese State" all we want, but a) McNeese State rarely gets beaten like this, and b) plenty of teams have dilly-dallied against McNeese State-caliber opponents. Mizzou did not.  If nothing else, that was very nice to see.

  • Mizzou was fast enough to completely shut down a lesser opponent.  I mentioned on Sunday that Mizzou's level of aggressiveness will work wonders against some opponents, but those with speed and counter-attacking ability can abuse this style if Mizzou is not careful.  We'll revisit this below too.

  • Blaine Gabbert is becoming more accurate. Gabbert didn't exactly have to try very hard on Saturday, and he still has his weaknesses (his pocket presence was infinitely better Saturday than it was against Illinois, but that might just have been because his first read was open most of the time), but while he's never been an inaccurate passer, his accuracy has taken a huge step forward this season.  The sideline passes have been rather effective (aside from the occasional missed block) because he is both strong-armed and accurate.  It's like a long option toss -- fake the ball to the halfback and immediately whip it across the field at 85 mph, on target.  Whether some Mizzou fans want to actually admit it or not, this play really is like a long handoff, especially when it is delivered this accurately.

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Bigger Blowouts of the Year

The final score can sometimes mislead -- if Team A takes their foot off the gas against Team B, but Team C doesn't against Team D, then our impressions of each game will be different.  The main question should be, how quickly did Team A/C put the game away?  What they did after the game was out of hand (when the backups are in, or the starters are having trouble staying focused) should not matter much.

Below are the the ten biggest blowouts of the season so far, in terms of % Close.  In other words, these are the ten games that got put away the quickest.

  1. Connecticut 62, Texas Southern 3 (23.7%)
  2. East Carolina 49, Memphis 27 (29.7%)
  3. Oregon 72, New Mexico 0 (30.1%)
  4. Southern Miss 34, Prairie View 7 (30.3%)
  5. Clemson 58, Presbyterian 21 (30.5%)
  6. Mizzou 50, McNeese State 6 (30.6%)
  7. Alabama 48, San Jose State 3 (31.6%)
  8. Florida State 59, Samford 6 (33.3%)
  9. Central Michigan 33, Hampton 0 (34.2%)
  10. California 52, Colorado 7 (34.6%)

Oregon and East Carolina get the nod for most impressive performance, being that their massacre victims were actual FBS teams (though neither New Mexico nor Memphis is doing a very good FBS impression at the moment)., but of the other FCS victims on the list, McNeese is by far the most proven program.  It's only one game, of course, but again ... Mizzou gets an A+ in this one.

How Will Mizzou Adapt When Opponents Adapt?

At the moment, we're all in love with the "Candy" formation, the look Mizzou gives on passing downs, when they bring four defensive ends (some combination of Aldon Smith, Jacquies Smith, Brad Madison, Michael Sam and Marcus Malbrough) into the game.  It has worked for Mizzou so far -- their sack rate is higher than it was last year at this time, and it has forced quite a few poor throws, leading to more interceptions.  (Honestly, I think the QB pressure has been the cause of more picks than the tighter coverage the CBs have apparently been allowed to unleash so far.)  Regarding the effectiveness of this formation, there are two major questions: 1) How will opponents adapt to this, and 2) How will Mizzou adapt in response?

The first question is rather easy to answer, as we already saw it in the second half against McNeese State.  The Cowboys started to uncork screen pass after screen pass in effort to take advantage of Mizzou's aggressiveness, and it worked, at least to a point.  Mizzou was fast enough to recover and make plays against McNeese State, but that won't necessarily be the case in the future.

So how does Mizzou respond to the responses then?

1. Awareness.  This one's pretty easy to understand, eh?  Linemen with awareness know when they're about to fall into the trap of a jailbreak screen.  In the 2004 season opener against Arkansas State, Phil Pitts picked off a jailbreak screen and took it 50 yards for a touchdown.  Here was his magnificent quote after the game.

"It’s just something I have a feel for," Pitts said. "I’m not the best pass rusher in the world, so when I feel somebody letting me go, I know something funny is up and I find the running back."

Pitts was right -- he wasn't much of a pass rusher.  For players like that, it doesn't take as much awareness to think, "Hey, something's not right here."  If a defensive tackle like Terrell Resonno or Jimmy Burge were to suddenly find themselves unabated to the quarterback, I would hope they'd have the awareness to think, "Wait a second..."  However, for players who actually do get to the quarterback on their own at times, the attractiveness of a free lane to the passer is more realistic and more tempting.  How they read the situation and react to it will determine whether the Candy formation remains a viable option on passing downs.  If teams can screen them to death, it will quickly be rendered ineffective.

2. Zone blitz.  Going all the way back to 2003, when lineman Zach Ville made basically the game-clinching interception against Nebraska after dropping into coverage (or possibly 2006, when Xzavie Jackson intercepted Graham Harrell), Mizzou has a history of using the zone blitz (where at least one lineman drops into coverage while at least line linebacker or defensive back blitzes) rather effectively.

When Mizzou lines up with four defensive ends (well, more technically speaking, with two ends lined up at the tackle positions), the most basic assumption a team can make is that all four are going to come flying at the quarterback.  As they try to counter that, the best thing Mizzou can do, at least occasionally, is drop one or more of them into coverage while sending Andrew Gachkar, Zaviar Gooden, Carl Gettis, or whoever, from a different angle than what the offense is expecting.  After seeing Aldon Smith track down Champlain Babin in the open field like he was a safety, I think it's safe to say that he or Jacquies Smith could do rather decent in coverage.  Zone blitzes against the quick, counter screens can be quite effective.  And hey, if the ends aren't tremendously capable of reading a screen when they're pinning their ears back and flying at the quarterback, then designating one to drop back isn't a terrible idea.

Targets and Catches

Though we do not have data on the directions/types of runs and passes, we do still have target/catches data.  So here is that data for the McNeese State game:

Player Targets Catches Catch% Target% Rec. Yds. Yds. Per Target
T.J. Moe 12 10 83.3% 30.8% 79 6.6
Michael Egnew 7 6 85.7% 17.9% 52 7.4
L'Damian Washington 4 4 100.0% 10.3% 24 6.0
Jerrell Jackson 3 3 100.0% 7.7% 43 14.3
Wes Kemp 3 3 100.0% 7.7% 15 5.0
Gahn McGaffie 3 2 66.7% 7.7% 5 1.7
Andrew Jones 2 1 50.0% 5.1% 7 3.5
Marcus Murphy 2 1 50.0% 5.1% 5 2.5
Rolandis Woodland 1 1 100.0% 2.6% 9 9.0
Marcus Lucas 1 1 100.0% 2.6% 6 6.0
De'Vion Moore 1 0 0.0% 2.6% 0 0.0
TOTAL 39 32 82.1% 100.0% 245 6.3
TOTAL (WR) 27 24 88.9% 69.2% 181 6.7
TOTAL (RB) 3 1 33.3% 7.7% 5 1.7
TOTAL (TE) 9 7 77.8% 23.1% 59 6.6

It is rare to see the receivers with a higher catch rate than the running backs or tight ends.  This remains the case even if you remove T.J. Moe (who basically plays like the smallest tight end in the country) out of the WRs equation.  Of course, this makes sense when you look at the Yards Per Target data.  How many downfield passes did Mizzou actually attempt?  Two?  Three?  One (the pretty touchdown lob to Jerrell Jackson)?  Mizzou stuck with their basic offensive set for one specific reason: McNeese State couldn't stop it.  Because of that, Blaine Gabbert broke Mizzou's single-game completion percentage record ... but only averaged 6.3 yards per pass in the process.

Eventually, Mizzou will have to throw downfield, but there's no reason to reveal any more of the playbook than you have to if the base plays are working, especially since the horizontal passing is setting future opponents up to bite on those passes and leave themselves vulnerable to the pump fake and long ball.  In future weeks, we will find out whether Mizzou can't throw downfield effectively, or if they just haven't had to yet.

Three Positives

  1. What can you say? Mizzou did exactly what they needed to do.  We've said it many times.  Even with the "Yeah, but it was McNeese State..." disclaimer, Mizzou handled their business and should be commended for it.

  2. Turnovers.  In two games, Mizzou's Turnover Points margin is +23.9.  That will even out when better opponents come to town, but that is still much better than last season.  Two games into the 2009 campaign, Mizzou was -2.5.  After all four non-conference games, they were still only at +17.2.  Maybe it will even out quickly, but there are turnover points to be had if you can just hold onto the ball and take advantage when slower opponents come to town.  So far Mizzou has done themselves plenty of favors here.

  3. So far, line play is quite a strength. Again, we'll see if/how the Candy formation maintains its viability, but the Mizzou defensive line has gotten after the quarterback in both games and held a lesser opponent to well below the typical line yardage on rushes.  Meanwhile, the offensive line has produced fine sack rates (rates which would be even better if Gabbert had a better feel for when to leave the pocket -- I am, of course, referencing Illinois .. McNeese State's lone sack was definitely the OL's fault) and dominated in run-blocking, again against a weaker foe.  The lines haven't proven they're a big-time strength, but thus far they have proven that they are not a weakness.

Three Negatives

  1. Little margin for error.  Again, Mizzou didn't have to come up with big plays against McNeese State, and they actively spent most of the last two quarters trying not to.  And even so, they still looked great running the ball in the first half.  Efficiency is a very good thing, and Mizzou has it in bucketfuls.  But until we see them going downfield more effectively, we won't know for sure that they can.

    (Take heart, however.  I used basically the exact same logic about T.J. Moe heading into the season -- "Until we see him catching passes reliably, we won't know for sure that he can" -- and he has only come up with a Catch % higher than Chase Coffman's so far.)

  2. McNeese State was maybe a hair too efficient.  We're nitpicking now, but McNeese State's success rate was indeed higher than last year's national average.  With no hope whatsoever for the big play, this didn't matter; but it could against faster offenses.

  3. Um ... the crowd was a little paltry?  55,000 certainly isn't bad for an FCS opponent, but ... well ... it could be better.  Kentucky, a basketball school, drew 66,000+ for Western Kentucky ... and I'm pretty sure Western Kentucky is as bad or worse than McNeese State.  And don't try to tell me that WKU bought 11,000 tickets.

Summary

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.  Mizzou always has plenty to work on -- in this case, defending screens and further setting up the downfield pass -- but they get an A+ for this one.  Now we turn our attention to the Aztecs of San Diego State.

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We’re nitpicking now, but McNeese State’s success rate was indeed higher than last year’s national average.

How did the Q1-Q3 success rates stack up against the national average? Given MSU’s .700+ S&P in the 4th quarter, I can imagine that number was artificially inflated against Missouri’s third string.

by RPT on Sep 14, 2010 1:17 PM CDT reply actions  

National Success Rate averages...

Q1: National 42.8%, McNeese State 42.9%
Q2: National 42.4%, McNeese State 20.0%
Q3: National 42.7%, McNeese State 31.6%
Q4: National 40.5%, McNeese State 40.9%

So MSU was just a hair above the national average in Q1 and Q4, dreadfully below in Q2 and Q3. The “close” portion of the game (which is where the 47.1% came from) ended very early in Q2, however.

by Bill C. on Sep 14, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Eventually, Mizzou will have to throw downfield, but there’s no reason to reveal any more of the playbook than you have to if the base plays are working, especially since the horizontal passing is setting future opponents up to bite on those passes and leave themselves vulnerable to the pump fake and long ball. In future weeks, we will find out whether Mizzou can’t throw downfield effectively, or if they just haven’t had to yet.

I had to call into KTGR yesterday and make this point emphatically… Will P was using BG not throwing deep as a negative about the game, and I disagree completely. Glad to see one them there smart fellas backing me up on it.

I thought playing it close to the vest was a smart move on the part of the coaching staff. By the time the game was well enough in hand to take some chances, you didn’t NEED to take any chances, in order to not run-it-up!

Thanks Bill!

Bet me!

by TigerBartender on Sep 14, 2010 1:20 PM CDT reply actions  

I hope you're right

and the coaching staff was just playing it close to the best, but we were doing the same thing against Illinois. The middle of the field was wide open for much of the game vs. the Illini but we kept throwing the ball sideways.

by rg643 on Sep 14, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Except on Egnew's touchdown...

…when Gabbert pump-faked to the sideline and Egnew broke wide open in the endzone.

Moe was also cluttering up the middle of the field quite often, if I remember correctly. Maybe I don’t.

by Bill C. on Sep 14, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying we never threw downfield

Kemp also caught a ball over the middle, and there was the one he got called for OPI right before that, but Gabbert’s ypc was very low that game, and I don’t think it had as much to do with any lack of playmakers as it did extremely conservative playcalling and lots of horizontal passing. Now, maybe that was just a part of the plan for avoiding upsets early in the season (prevent big mistakes and all), and maybe it was a good idea, but there has been a noticeable drop-off in our downfield attack thus far.

I hope we start going downfield more often soon; Gabbert’s arm-strength seems to be his greatest asset, and could make this offense seriously scary.

by rg643 on Sep 14, 2010 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Call me Crazy..

But I don’t think we went down field last year all that option except to Danario. And even most of his long passes were short passes he broke.

Annoying You Since 1986

by MUTIGERS86 on Sep 14, 2010 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok...

…but define short.

I am only playing devils advocate. This is a question for all, because I do not know either.

 When do you consider a pass long enough to be the classic “vertical” field stretcher and when do you say it’s just “playing catch”?

I would start to think this yardage is variable depending on what type of defense you are throwing into, but I have nothing to support this claim.

Dr. Ausgiano schools me in the classroom and on the field of battle

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Sep 14, 2010 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree.

But I think a lot of Danario’s touchdowns were Bubble Screens he broke.

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by MUTIGERS86 on Sep 14, 2010 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

without any way to verify my guess

I would estimate we’re throwing significantly more screen passes this year than we did at the beginning of last year. It seemed like 2/3 of our pass attempts were screens against McNeese St.

by rg643 on Sep 14, 2010 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

That is true.

But there were only 6 against Illinois. I think the amount of screen passes were simply because they were working. Why show more of your playbook if you don’t have to? The only way they were going to hang with us was if we made mistakes. And if you don’t have to risk those mistakes by throwing downfield, why do it?

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by MUTIGERS86 on Sep 14, 2010 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

because we're going to need to do it eventually

seems like we might want to work on it in the gimme games.

It’s not like future opponents are going to be shocked and not know what to do when we start passing the ball downfield just b/c we’ve been throwing a lot of screen passes thus far.

I guess it just seems like we’ve decided we’re going to throw the ball to TJ Moe and Michael Egnew 20 times a game even if it means we have to throw 15+ screens.

by rg643 on Sep 14, 2010 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's one way to look at it.

But there are other ways too. They may know we will go downfield, but won’t know the routes. If your tape shows screen after screen after screen, opponents are likely to lean towards that in a game situation. Not to mention, probably the top downfield threat has been playing with a cast on so far. While I definately see what you are saying, and maybe you are right, and we won’t hit on any of them in the coming weeks, but to quote a very wise man…

In future weeks, we will find out whether Mizzou can’t throw downfield effectively, or if they just haven’t had to yet.

Annoying You Since 1986

by MUTIGERS86 on Sep 14, 2010 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

well

Kemp was a downfield threat last year (18 or so ypc).

We might find out in the next few weeks. It’s also possible that we won’t be able to tell whether they can’t or they won’t.

by rg643 on Sep 14, 2010 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not really talking about deep as in

go-route deep. I mean intermediate passes. Passes where the ball travels 10-20 yards downfield in the air. As a team we’re averaging 8.0 yards per reception right now, where as last year we averaged 13.5 yards per reception. Now, Danario was a big part of that, averaging 15.8 per, but his loss alone doesn’t explain such a precipitous drop. Especially considering that we’ve played two of the weaker defenses on our schedule thus far.

by rg643 on Sep 14, 2010 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not going to judge anyone's reasons for going/not going to a game
Um … the crowd was a little paltry? 55,000 certainly isn’t bad for an FCS opponent, but … well … it could be better. Kentucky, a basketball school, drew 66,000+ for Western Kentucky … and I’m pretty sure Western Kentucky is as bad or worse than McNeese State. And don’t try to tell me that WKU bought 11,000 tickets.

(not saying that you’re wrong for putting it in a “what we could improve” section, though)

BUT….
If Missouri was playing SMSU, maybe we’d have 66,000. We had 62,305 when we played SEMO. If you’re going to schedule a completely over-matched opponent that will lead to a predictably uninteresting game (sorry, but games put away that quickly are uninteresting), maybe you should do one that locals will want to see – like an in-state opponent.

Kentucky was playing Western Kentucky, maybe comparing their attendance for that game with ours for McNeese State is a bit of an apples-oranges comparison?

by Andy--01 on Sep 14, 2010 3:21 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I can definately agree with that.

Not to mention if your going to fork over 450 grand to a school, might as well be a home state one.

Annoying You Since 1986

by MUTIGERS86 on Sep 14, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder if the late start time kept a couple thousand away

I can see people deciding against making the trip from greater KC/STL to see Mizzou wail on a no name if it means they don’t get home til 11-midnight.

"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."

by Transmogrified Tiger on Sep 14, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not only that but the tickets were a bit pricey for a FCS opponent.

I know our ticket prices aren’t nearly as high as some of the big traditionally successful programs but that goes without saying as our prices are higher than other programs less stellar than ours including some other Big 12 teams.

I went to the game and will go to everyone I can possibly make it to, but 42 or 48 bucks at the gate for a ticket to McNeese State might help to keep a few people out of the stands.

by M Krip on Sep 14, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I get your point to a degree...

…but no way in HELL do we draw 66,000 for SMS. Maybe 57K instead of 55K. Maybe. We drew 62,300 for SEMO because we were ranked very high.

by Bill C. on Sep 14, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

exactly

I was thinking the same thing. We were ranked around the top 5 for the SEMO game. I am surprised we didn’t sell it out.

Sometimes I do wonder how they figure attendance. Is it tickets sold or is it people coming through the gate? It really looked like there were more than 55k at the game last Saturday too.

by M Krip on Sep 14, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure it's tickets sold

because you get the higher number that way. On the other hand, I’ve been told they routinely under-report when they get near capacity to avoid stuff like fire marshall trouble.

"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."

by Transmogrified Tiger on Sep 14, 2010 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

So... how about the running game?

Are we going to see performances like last Saturday’s every week or was that just the result of playing a bad defence?

Elke ware zoon, zo blij van harte / Hemels boven ons zijn blauw / Er is een geest zo diep binnen ons / Oud Missouri dit is voor jou / Waneer de band het Tijger oorlogslied speelt / En wanneer de strijd over is / We zullen stampen, stampen, stampen, rond de kolommen / Met een kreet voor oud Mizzou!

by Dutch Missourian on Sep 14, 2010 4:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Depends on adjustments...

…both ours and our opponents’. With both the sideline pass and the motion sweep (that’s what I call it anyway), we’re setting the table for future playcalls. Now that these base plays have worked rather well, opponents will have to prepare quite a bit for them. What we do differently (I highly doubt we stick with the exact same recipe the rest of the season … that rarely happens) and how well we execute will determine how well we do, as we won’t be able to run the same base play or two and expect success, unless our OL is really good.

by Bill C. on Sep 14, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have always though this O-line was one of the best in the Nation.... This year and next

When you read comments from the players that some of the blocking schemes that were new last year were a bit confusing and it wasn’t until near the end of the year that they finally figured them out… You have to know this year will be great…. The returning experience in the O-line is the most important success predictor….

by coinaster on Sep 14, 2010 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Question.

I thought I had read on FO’s or maybe what you had wrote on RMN, that there is really no correlation between the OLs number of collective starts and success.

Considering Floridas’ early struggles has anyone isolated the Center only and looked at how that has affected the overall success, or PPP or something suggesting a correlated problem?

Watching the horrible Center to QB exchange from Florida has made me really appreciate the less than glamorous potions even more than I already did.
/Grant Ressel
/Beau Brinkley
/ect.

Dr. Ausgiano schools me in the classroom and on the field of battle

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Sep 14, 2010 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

And OU also had a pretty bad year last year.

By their standards. Yes they were missing other players, but them last year is not a good example.

Annoying You Since 1986

by MUTIGERS86 on Sep 15, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

In other news...

Mizzou Alum Pat “I’m worried I’ll look like a homer so I go out of my way to not be a homer” Forde picked Mizzou to beat San Diego State by 3.

Annoying You Since 1986

by MUTIGERS86 on Sep 14, 2010 5:16 PM CDT reply actions  

I trust Vegas when it comes to questions like these

Because people whose livelihood depends on these games MUST know more about them than me.

What’s the line on this game?

"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."

by BigMOman on Sep 14, 2010 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

i appreciate the analysis of the numbers, bill, since there's not a snowball's chance

in arizona that i’ll be able to make heads or tails of them. i do have one question, though. surely you exaggerate by at LEAST 10 mph when you referenced the quick throws to the outside by gabbert? right? 85 mph????

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by threadkiller on Sep 14, 2010 8:34 PM CDT reply actions  

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