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Mizzou Beats San Diego State: Links and Reflections

Via Bill Carter. Tommy Saunders says...YAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

September 20, 1969.  Leading 16-10, tenth-ranked Missouri allows two improbable completions, and Air Force quickly drives the length of the field, scoring to take a 17-16 lead with under a minute left.  Just as improbably, Mizzou's Terry McMillan finds John Henley for a 56-yard bomb, and Mizzou escapes with a last-second field goal, 19-17.  The Tigers get hot afterward, finishing the regular season 9-1, winning the Big 8 title, ranking as high as fifth in the country, and throwing a scare into a great Penn State squad in the Orange Bowl.

September 20, 2003.  Trailing 34-26 to Middle Tennessee with under five minutes remaining, Mizzou drives 73 yards, gets a score and two-point conversion to tie, then wins in overtime, 41-40, when the Blue Raiders miss an extra point and Mike Matheny boots a 35-yard PAT (after a personal foul penalty) to win.  The Trib headline the next day is, "The Great Escape."  Mizzou goes on to get roughed up in Lawrence in their next game, and though they qualify for their first bowl game in five years, they limp down the home stretch, finishing 4-5 after a 4-0 start.

October 5, 1996.  Mizzou needs two blocked PATs to take a late 27-26 lead over lowly SMU, then an attempted game-winner from the Mustangs hits the upright as time expires, giving Mizzou a wobbly, one-point win.  The win moves Mizzou to 2-3 on the season.  They go 3-3 the rest of the way, neither building nor losing momentum on the way to a 5-6 finish (which, actually, was a semi-success for the program at that point).

In other words, we should probably refrain from drawing any season-long conclusions about what we saw last night.  Maybe this is a great momentum builder, and maybe this is a foreboding sign for what is to come.  We have no idea.  What we do know, however, is that this was Mizzou's first final-minute, game-winning touchdown since the epic win over Ohio State in 1976.  It was their first at home since 1958 against Idaho.  It was only the third time in Mizzou history that they threw a game-winning touchdown pass of over 30 yards while trailing (the others -- 1976 against Nebraska, 1967 against Nebraska ... credit for these tidbits comes from the great Tom Orf).  The worry comes later.  For now, let's celebrate this for exactly what it was: a near-disaster that turned into one of the more miraculous, exciting finishes in Mizzou history.

1. When the weight of the world has got you down/and you want to end your life/Bills to pay, a dead-end job/and problems with the wife/But don't throw in the towel/'cause there's a place right down the block/Where you can drink your misery away/At Flaming Moe's....

Sorry, there was no way to quote just a portion of the Flaming Moe's song (more background here, but surely you don't need it, right?), so instead you get a gigantic header.

On Facebook last night, I shared the athletic department's video of T.J. Moe's touchdown (like hundreds of others), the comment of "The moment T.J. Moe became a folk hero."  Clearly we were already building toward this.  Who doesn't like the gritty possession receiver who takes more hits than a running back and fights for every last yard, right?  The fact that he was already a St. Louis folk hero because of his exploits at Ft. Zumwalt West didn't hurt matters.  But any holdout has now been won over.  The new Faurot Field P.A. announcer took to inserting a giant, pregnant pause anytime he had to say "T.J. ... ... ... Moe" last night, and honestly it was a little cheesy and forced.  He said it even after a couple of nothing plays.  To his credit, however, he could not possibly have chosen a better time to get it started.  The (remaining) crowd started joining in a bit by the fourth quarter, and the ENTIRE (remaining) crowd shouted "MOE!!!" after the pause after the touchdown.

Memory is a funny thing.  Mizzou fans who lived through the game last night, either in person, via PPV, or via radio, suffered through all the moments: the dropped passes, the just-an-inch away passes, the Ronnie Hillman touchdowns, the turnovers, the continued near-misses, the epic San Diego State punts, and everything else.  It was a miserable experience.  But five years from now, we'll remember one play.  The two-paragraph narrative of this game will have turned into ten words: "The game sucked, then T.J. Moe won it for us."  Everything about the play was incredible -- Moe's initial juke, Jerrell Jackson's ridiculous block, the sideline's reaction, and everything else -- and it deserves to go down as one of Mizzou's greatest ever, no matter what you think about San Diego State.

2. It's not a thang when I lower the gradient lens frames/I'm cooler than Clyde Stubblefield, drummer for James

The defense gets the ultimate compliment from me -- a quote from a great Roots song (NSFW) -- not because of what they did (allow a freshman running back to rush for 228 yards and two long touchdowns), but because of what they didn't do.  Despite having every reason in the world to fold, they did not.  They stayed cool.  They bounced back from two of the flukiest* touchdowns you will ever see and made stop after stop despite no help from the offense.

Star-divide

* To any San Diego State fan reading this, I don't intend "fluky" quite as harshly as it sounds.  They were flukes in that a) the first touchdown came on a third-down draw play, where everybody in the stadium knew they were going to run a draw play, and b) the second came on a play where the Mizzou defense had Hillman wrapped up until his offensive lineman literally picked him up and slung him forward and away from all Mizzou defenders who thought the play was over.  If the draw play were attempted 10 times, it goes for a touchdown once, maybe twice.  If the second play were attempted a HUNDRED times, it goes for a touchdown once.  Both plays displayed incredible pure speed from Hillman, who did one helluva Marshall Faulk impersonation last night (a comparison Missourians from the eastern part of the state will appreciate), but they were still fluky.

Last night I jokingly called this the greatest defensive performance ever from a defense that gave up over 225 rushing yards to a true freshman, and ... well, I stand by that comment.  They bounced back after repeated setbacks.  After Hillman's end-of-Q2 touchdown, the Tigers forced four consecutive punts to start the second half.  After De'Vion Moore's odd fumble at the Mizzou 7 (he absolutely fumbled, but his forward progress had been stopped for quite a while with no whistle when the ball came loose), Kevin Rutland picked off a pass.  After Hillman's second touchdown, they forced a three-and-out.  After two Gabbert picks gave the Aztecs the ball in Mizzou territory, they were only able to manage a field goal and a punt.

Fact is, Ronnie Hillman put together an amazing stat line based on two runs.  His two touchdowns covered 168 yards.  His other 21 carries netted just 60.  I talk a lot at Rock M about efficiency and success rates; well, while Hillman's overall stat line was incredible, Mizzou won because they kept his success rate extremely low.  He had two great plays, a couple of decent ones, and probably 15-18 nothing carries.

In all, Mizzou was two plays away from an incredible defensive performance.  They held a semi-scary passing attack to 184 yards in 45 attempts (including sacks), a paltry 4.1 yards per attempt.  Meanwhile, aside from two carries, SDSU runners managed 88 yards in 30 carries.  But those two plays still count, and they kept the game close enough that Mizzou's offensive struggles mattered.

Hey, speaking of offensive struggles...

3. Friday night I laid in the devil's arms/Saturday was a catastrophe

Granted, I don't know what Blaine Gabbert did Friday night -- whether it entailed devil's arms or not -- but this Ike Reilly Assassination quote is still quite applicable because ... well, Saturday was a bit of a catastrophe.  ESPN's College Football Final listed Gabbert's 351 passing yards and last-second touchdown as one of its breakthrough performances.  Nevermind that that completely negates the impact that T.J. Moe had on the final play (it should have been "Moe's touchdown reception," not "Gabbert's touchdown pass") -- let's just say that if the Mizzou defense put together a great performance with a bad stat line, Gabbert did the exact opposite.

It started out innocently enough.  Gabbert went 4-for-6 for 50 yards on the opening drive of the game, completing a gorgeous sideline fade to Michael Egnew (who had a simply incredible game -- he's moved past just trying to catch the ball and is showing more and more Rucker-esque tendencies with each game) in the process.  As The Beef said later in the game, that completion to Egnew might have been the worst thing possible because it led to many, many more downfield attempts that were just inches off.

That was the story of the game, really.  For the first three quarters, Gabbert was just an inch away from a perfect pass every single time.  Dropped passes and balls glancing off of outstretched fingers killed the Tigers again and again.  For those who like to say that football is a game of inches, this game was the perfect example.  By the fourth quarter, however, the near-misses had added up, and after Hillman's incredible touchdown, he started forcing the issue with disastrous results.  He threw two fourth-quarter interceptions, further solidfying the fact that the whole "fourth quarter comebacks" stat is complete rubbish.  He now has as many fourth quarter comebacks this season as Chase Daniel had in his entire career, but last night did as much to remind Missouri fans why they miss Daniel as any game in the last two seasons.

Three games into his junior season, Blaine Gabbert's biggest enemy still comes between the ears and below the flowing locks.  He is still a very good quarterback who, with some in-season growth, could be the best in the Big 12 this year.  But near-misses still get into his head, usually with disastrous results.  This was Bowling Green v. 2.0, and as with the 2009 Bowling Green game, Mizzou was very lucky to escape with a win.

4. So we Kick, Push/Kick, Push/Kick, Push/Kick, Push/Coast

Until T.J. Moe's heroics, I was completely and totally prepared to give MVP honors in this game to San Diego State punter (and Lupe Fiasco all-star) Brian Stahovich.  I mentioned how great he was in Thursday's BTBS preview, but he was beyond great last night.  Almost every single one of his ten punts left Mizzou with awful field position and prevented the Tigers' struggling offense from catching a break.  The box score says he only pinned three punts inside the 20, but ... it felt like 17.

If I were to rank the five best players in last night's game, Stahovich would have definitely made the list ... and Mizzou's Matt Grabner may have as well.  He pinned three of eight punts inside the SDSU 20 and almost got a fourth (he was about a yard too long on one that punting team all-star Carl Gettis couldn't quite corral).  Both teams consistently faced a long field.  SDSU's average starting field position for their first 11 possessions was their own 20; Mizzou's average starting field position for their last 11 possessions was ... you guessed it, their 20.  Stahovich and Grabner defined the game as much or more than Hillman, Gabbert, Moe or anybody else.  One botch from either of them down the stretch, and the game would have been over before the final minute or two.

5. You can't always get what you want/But if you try sometimes/You just might find/You get what you need

I know this is a losing battle -- who each of us is as a fan at this point probably isn't going to change -- but I have to say it anyway.  And it's going to take me far too many words to do it.  To those who are tired of people complaining about the other fans, just skip this and go down to the links.  I won't be offended.  Okay, you've been sufficiently warned.

To those who thrive on being miserable, who go out of their ways to both denigrate anything good that happens while blowing the bad significantly out of proportion, who insist on blaming the offensive coordinator for all of their life's ills (even when mispronouncing his name -- I heard somebody shout "Yoost" last night in the middle of a ridiculous rant), and who insist on ruining the gameday experience for everybody around them ... just stop.  It's embarrassing.

Last night was not the finest hour for the Mizzou program -- the team, the coaches, or the fans.  The offense was a hair off (it turned into more than a hair late in the game), and the defense had two horrendous breakdowns.  The play-calling, indeed, had some issues as well. But unless you're at the age of 12 or younger, there is no excuse for the kind of behavior we see at games.  A friend of ours came to our section in the fourth quarter and, after no more than five minutes, said "Wow, you weren't lying about your section. This is hilarious."  (I had already shared a story with him from last week. Leading 30-0 in the second quarter, Mizzou threw a sideline pass that got eaten up because of poor blocking.  After the P.A. announcer read an advertisement about some web address -- I have no recollection what it may have been -- a guy in our section shouted "How about 'callbetterplays.com', huh?"  Again, Mizzou was up 30-0 and had scored on every drive.  Again, just embarrassing.)

Every time I see embarrassing crowd behavior, it makes me sad for two reasons.  First, it really is just embarrassing to people 10-20 years older than I am acting like 8-year olds when something goes wrong. It's not like Mizzou fans are alone in this regard -- I can't imagine what we may have heard in the stands at yesterday's Michigan or Oklahoma games -- but I can't do anything about other fanbases. I only care about my own.

Second, it makes me think of my late buddy Jeffrey.  He was the first to overreact to anything, positive or negative.  He sat with us at games for a number of years, and I think we both impacted each other's behavior.  I'm a contrarian by nature (go figure, huh?), but sitting with him reminded me that unabashed celebration of great moments was still not only fun but required.  Meanwhile, we were able to shout him down enough after bad moments that he was getting better and better at simply not taking things so seriously.  Life goes on after losses, even bad ones to teams like San Diego State.  You go home, you go to bed, and if you're lucky, you wake up in the morning, and you go to the Mizzou game the next Saturday.  It's a pretty good life, even when the team isn't as good as you hoped.  For all we know, Mizzou might go 14-0 this season, and they might go 3-9.  But simply being a Mizzou fan, soaking in the Mizzou experience, and enjoying all the traditions of games (when other fans aren't trying to ruin it for you) is a lot of fun, and despite everything, I left the stadium in a great mood last night.

So that's my say.  Disagree with it if you want.  Now, to the play-calling.

First things first: complaining about play-calling is, as we have said many times on this site, lazy and overdone.  Execution and development are such bigger deals than what actual plays are called, but because we can all go home and call plays on video games (and if one formation doesn't work, we just magically change to the Maryland-I or something and run the ball with ease ... as if it were that easy in real life), and because it's easy, black-and-white thinking to simply conclude "This play didn't work, therefore it was a bad call," we give it far too much heft.

That said ... the option needs to be eliminated from the playbook -- it doesn't work with Gabbert.  The zone read, sure, keep it.  But the wide option is just a disaster -- it never works for more than a couple of yards, it twice led to bad pitches and near-lost fumbles from Gabbert, and it is too ineffective to serve as any sort of "keep them honest" constraint play to set up other plays.  That Mizzou ran it twice while behind in the fourth quarter last night shows that the coaches were completely at a loss.  With Gabbert retreating far into his own head, they had no idea what play to call, and honestly I can't blame them.  But let's just go ahead and call anything other than the option from now on.

The prevalence of early long balls was also a curious coaching decision.  Either they spotted something on film that made them decide the deep corner was vulnerable (and let's face it -- it almost was ... it repeatedly almost worked), or they assumed San Diego State would be overplaying the sideline routes, or San Diego State really was overplaying the sideline routes.  But it definitely seemed like David Yost and staff were maybe over-thinking things early, and while most plays almost worked, they also left Mizzou in too many passing downs situations.  Then, as the struggles grew magnified in the fourth quarter, play-calling stopped mattering -- nothing works when your quarterback is struggling like Gabbert was struggling.

Bottom line: play-calling was quite iffy at times last night, but a) it happens, and b) execution still mattered more.  But with people shouting for Dave Yost's head on a daily basis (ignoring the fact that he called six straight almost-perfect quarters of plays against Illinois and McNeese State, and he did the same through most of November 2009) are being ridiculous.  Dave Yost is the offensive coordinator, and with the more experience he gets, he will end up seeing longer and longer stretches of great game-planning, timing, and play-calling.  For almost 59 minutes against a decent-but-not-spectacular opponent, Mizzou struggled and put themselves in a position to lose.  Then they won.  Deal with it.

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Prior to 2007...

…Mizzou would have folded in the 4th quarter. This team has gained a lot of mental discipline over the last few years and it shows. Gabbert still isn’t optimally aroused though.

And yes, I am going to run that joke into the ground.

by Gaknar on Sep 19, 2010 11:54 AM CDT reply actions  

As someone who has lioved optimal arousal… theory… for a decade now, please don’t run it into the ground. Cultivate it carefully with well-timed drops, and it becomes the gift that keeps on giving. Abuse it and it dies.

Jokes really are like the potted plant that you got to look after in gradeschool….

Glory glory Man United, AND the other MU, AAAAnd the Leafs. I think I need a drink now.

by Wan Ihite on Sep 19, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Sorry I don't speek so eloquently.

We say the same thing two different ways. Sorry for being so brash. I mean to offend no one. I simply would like to point out that the play calling not only allowed SDSU to stay with us, but also allowed the demons to enter BG’s head.

"Every absurdity has a champion to defend it" Olivar Goldsmith

by 1Believer on Sep 19, 2010 11:56 AM CDT reply actions  

I think I could count on one hand the number of "bad play calls" last night

2 of them were the options, and I disagreed with a 5 yard out on 3rd and 8. But really it was 5% bad calls and 95% bad execution last night.

You don't have to come and confess, we lookin' for you, we gon' find you, we gon' find you. So you can run and tell that, Homeboy.

by pinkelposse on Sep 19, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wasn't directed at you...

…if you’re talking about something that happened in last night’s live thread, I went out of my way not to read any of that other than the ending. :-)

by Bill C. on Sep 19, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with you Bill.

Negativity during the game is way wrong. We should be allowed to share our opinions here though.

"Every absurdity has a champion to defend it" Olivar Goldsmith

by 1Believer on Sep 19, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bias, here.

But I think a few new formations could do this team well. At least give opponents more to plan for. And no, I’m in no way advocating the inclusion of a fullback.

It's not the size of the dog in the fight; it's the size of the fight in the dog.
- Mark Twain

by T3T on Sep 19, 2010 12:14 PM CDT reply actions  

I hope we are still bagging a few for Big 12 season.

"Every absurdity has a champion to defend it" Olivar Goldsmith

by 1Believer on Sep 19, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

More two-back sets.

Work in the two-back motion flare that’s a staple of Zona’s offense.

by RPT on Sep 19, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, what happened to the two back sets

Didn’t we hear all about that being a bigger emphasis in camp? They shy away from it without Washington or something?

"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."

by Transmogrified Tiger on Sep 19, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

There are frequently two backs on the field.

But one of them, if not both, start split out wide.

by RPT on Sep 19, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

So is that what Matter and his ilk were referring to in August?

"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."

by Transmogrified Tiger on Sep 19, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sometimes I wonder

If we would benefit from lining up in the pistol every now and then. I just always feel like our running plays take so long to develop, and for most of the game I felt the middle of the field was wide open yesteray, but we couldn’t exploit it with our running game.

by smbz5b on Sep 19, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

For what it's worth

The Pistol was largely average in the times Missouri ran it in 2007 and 2008.

by RPT on Sep 19, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I realize it is probably as rational a desire as those who assume adding a fullback would add 300 yards to our running game, but whenever one our slow developing running plays gets topped short I wonder if we would do better if we had some faster developing running plays.

by smbz5b on Sep 19, 2010 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, that was the formation on both of Josey's

6-yard TD runs in the McNeese State game. Just because you’re motioning him inside doesn’t mean you don’t have two backs in the backfield when the play starts.

by jschooltiger on Sep 19, 2010 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

By the way?

Were my son and I the only ones to think the 2 option tosses were forward?

"Every absurdity has a champion to defend it" Olivar Goldsmith

by 1Believer on Sep 19, 2010 12:15 PM CDT reply actions  

They can be forward.

It’s just a pass then.

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by tigr on Sep 19, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're right. I,m old school.

"Every absurdity has a champion to defend it" Olivar Goldsmith

by 1Believer on Sep 19, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

This

was very well said.

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by tigr on Sep 19, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow I don't know what shortcut key I hit to post that mid-edit

I almost gasped when Bill said he was contrarian by nature, when he is the most level-headed voice of reason I read. Sometimes I feel up, sometimes down about the season. It’s even worse when I can’t see the game live. I’m really glad I can come get a dose of less-emotional analysis here in the day after.

by hed64 on Sep 19, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Surely true, and great news. But it’s not necessarily fun for the OTHER FANS who have to listen to the high volume griping :)

Glory glory Man United, AND the other MU, AAAAnd the Leafs. I think I need a drink now.

by Wan Ihite on Sep 19, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

End of kc star article...

Despite each team rolling up 440 yards of total offense, the Missouri defense came up with enough big plays. After forcing the final Aztecs punt, a MU defensive end made a request.

"Aldon Smith came over to me before the last drive," Moe said, "and said, ‘We need your help.’ "

Moe said he then turned to Gabbert.

"I went over to him," Moe said, "shook his hand, looked him in the eyes and said, "All right, Blaine, it’s time to be great.’ "

And on that improbable, unbelievable, almost fairy-tale touchdown catch and run, T.J. Moe was every bit of that.

''You want to win all these games 40-6 and go eat hot dogs in the fourth quarter, but that's not football.'' -- coach Gary Pinkel.

by moongrooming on Sep 19, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I wonder if JJ heard all of this?

What a block to spring Moe!!!

"Every absurdity has a champion to defend it" Olivar Goldsmith

by 1Believer on Sep 19, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

To me,

this illustrates the difference between this year and last. Last year felt like the team was a bunch of individuals. This year, they seem more cohesive and………..connected, for lack of a better word. I don’t know what it is, but that’s the gut feeling I get when watching this team, or reading about the good plays.

by Babbalynski on Sep 19, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the comment...

…I’m very glad to hear that it doesn’t necessarily reach the players. In this case, I was talking about what happens in Row 61, where the players can’t hear, but kids and others can.

And I definitely don’t want to give the impression that I’m saying “No negativity, ever!” I mean…for 59 minutes, there wasn’t much to be positive about yesterday. There was plenty of negativity coming from me and the people I sit with last night. There’s just a difference between reacting negatively in the moment and the fire-and-brimstone, “Fire everybody!”, “F*** you, Gary!” ridiculousness.

by Bill C. on Sep 19, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Stuff like this happens

There’s always gonna be a delta from the average in every game you play. Just be glad that one of our worst games occurred against a team that we could still eek out a win against anyway.

by Tohoya on Sep 19, 2010 12:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Does anyone have video of the Hillman runs? I’m curious for someone to time how fast he ran down the field, and figure out what his 40 split would be for them. Is this a maclin-esque afterburner talent, or just a fast kid who caught our defenders napping?

Glory glory Man United, AND the other MU, AAAAnd the Leafs. I think I need a drink now.

by Wan Ihite on Sep 19, 2010 12:37 PM CDT reply actions  

I think it's probably more of the latter

He almost got caught from behind on both runs. And like Bill mentioned, on the 90+ yarder, he had a teammate spin and hurl him on his way like a discus, which definitely defined the play because he didn’t have the momentum to break away without it.

"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."

by Transmogrified Tiger on Sep 19, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Both, though not "Maclin-esque"

In my SBN KC piece going up tomorrow, I’ll have a former pro comparison that might clear things up.

Plus, highlight videos should be up on KBIA Sports Extra later today.

by RPT on Sep 19, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

That’ll sounds helpful. Cool.

Glory glory Man United, AND the other MU, AAAAnd the Leafs. I think I need a drink now.

by Wan Ihite on Sep 19, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

In the first one you can’t see when he corsses the goal line, but in the second one he breaks free of the line at 2:36, and crosses the goal line at 2:46.

Not sure exactly what yard line that starts from, but if we assume the 10 yard line, then he ran 90 yards in 10 seconds (give or take a large amount of measurement error on the time too), but that works out to 4.4 seconds for 40 yards…
OTOH, a normal 40 yard time is from a stationary start, right, so he ran 40 yard 2.25 times over here, and was only close to stationary (but not completely) at the start.

So… pretty fast, but we can’t be precise.

Glory glory Man United, AND the other MU, AAAAnd the Leafs. I think I need a drink now.

by Wan Ihite on Sep 19, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

4.4 shouldnt' be fast enough to not get caught though...

Aren’t most of our fastest players corners/safeties?

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by BigMOman on Sep 19, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

When your corners are engaged...

… and he’s running full speed in a straight line, yeah, it’s going to be hard to catch him.

by RPT on Sep 19, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Like I say, there’s a LOT of measurement error in here. For the time I’m looking at start and end times on a video (which will be rounding things as much as half a second on both ends), and it’s hard to compare spring times vs. middle distance times.

Glory glory Man United, AND the other MU, AAAAnd the Leafs. I think I need a drink now.

by Wan Ihite on Sep 19, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

You can't time this one

The lineman threw him for 5 yrds.
Where was the flag!!!!

"Every absurdity has a champion to defend it" Olivar Goldsmith

by 1Believer on Sep 19, 2010 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Happiness is just a T.J. Moe away...

Not sure how he will feel about this new potential nickname

by asdtg2 on Sep 19, 2010 12:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Moe's TD Run...

…taking it to the Tavern?

Cheering on MIZZOU from the other side of the world.

by jimlc on Sep 19, 2010 12:57 PM CDT reply actions  

We tried to go deep early

because SDSU was daring us to all night long. Most plays their deepest man was no more than 10-12 yards off the line of scrimmage, with their corners in press coverage. We began to struggle more and more because Gabbert got gunshy and wouldn’t throw deep in the second half.

There’s one play in particular in the second half that I remember Wes Kemp being 5+ yards open down the field right in front of our secion while Gabbert checked down to a dump off. Kemp threw his hands up the air, and I thought ‘Gabbert either doesn’t trust himself or he doesn’t trust his receivers to catch the deep ball’.

by rg643 on Sep 19, 2010 12:57 PM CDT reply actions  

I would be interested...

to see which of your theories in the last sentence is the actual case. Hopefully we (or more importantly, Gabbert and the receivers) can start to trust both ends of the passing game.

by jooooooooones! on Sep 19, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have always admired your

writing Bill yet you seem to have taken it up a notch this season.

Whoever said, 'It's not whether you win or lose that counts,' probably lost.
Martina Navratilova

by tigers and chiefs fan on Sep 19, 2010 1:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Posted in wrong thread

Mizzou #24 in Coach’s, Oklahoma State #25, no AP love for Mizzou.

by Gaknar on Sep 19, 2010 1:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Most of last night was not very love inspiring. Except for the one part that was.

Glory glory Man United, AND the other MU, AAAAnd the Leafs. I think I need a drink now.

by Wan Ihite on Sep 19, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

No complaints

We barely squeaked by and move up one place in the rankings. We did receive 30 votes in AP also.

born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red

by totalloser on Sep 19, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Use this site to see how every reporter voted

Pollspeak


 Voter Rank
 Ray Ratto 14
 Mike DeArmond 20
 Chip Cosby 24
 Jack Bogaczyk 24
 Jon Wilner 24
 Kirk Bohls 24
 Sal Interdonato 24
 Keith Sargeant 25
 Kyle Ringo 25

by hed64 on Sep 19, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

One of the first Google Image results for Ray Ratto

"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."

by Transmogrified Tiger on Sep 19, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

By the way...

Has anyone else noticed the rotating cast of characters at guard? At one point, I looked up and Travis Ruth and Justin Britt were the two guards.

by RPT on Sep 19, 2010 1:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Quote from SDSU coach Hoke:

"It’s always tough to lose a game that way but we didn’t deserve to win. We didn’t deserve (it) the way we played. We didn’t play very well. We didn’t tackle well on defense all night long. We played a little tentative and we can’t do that."

Interesting. If you ask half the people here if Mizzou played well enough to deserve the win, we’d be somewhat ambivalent. (Yeah, we did deserve it, but not by nearly as much as we should have).

Glory glory Man United, AND the other MU, AAAAnd the Leafs. I think I need a drink now.

by Wan Ihite on Sep 19, 2010 1:30 PM CDT reply actions  

BTW, the quote is from this link from above.

Glory glory Man United, AND the other MU, AAAAnd the Leafs. I think I need a drink now.

by Wan Ihite on Sep 19, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

You think the Mizzou fans at Faurot Field are bad? Head over to Scottrade Center for a Blues game, your perspective on the world of sports fans will change…

Oh, and in the fanbook, they need to write in.
“ON THIRD DOWN GET YOUR ASS OUT OF YOUR CHAIR AND YELL”
instead of this “be loud” crap.

Im now scared of the third peroid...thanks Blues.

by #74forthewin on Sep 19, 2010 2:10 PM CDT reply actions  

St. Louis is incapable of being loud.

Don’t know why, but the sports culture seems extremely laid back. Maybe they’re just more accustomed to success so KC fans are just more…desperate? There’s a certain frantic desperation for success in Kansas City so fans try to impact the game any way they can.

There’s rarely a moment when you’ll get to sit, outside of box seating, at Arrowhead.

It's not the size of the dog in the fight; it's the size of the fight in the dog.
- Mark Twain

by T3T on Sep 19, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would agree

Except then you go to a Mizzou basketball game, and then that intire theory gets thrown out.

Im now scared of the third peroid...thanks Blues.

by #74forthewin on Sep 19, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

*entire

Im now scared of the third peroid...thanks Blues.

by #74forthewin on Sep 19, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

But it's a combined crowd.

Show me a St. Louis sport where St. Louis crowds are constantly rowdy.

It's not the size of the dog in the fight; it's the size of the fight in the dog.
- Mark Twain

by T3T on Sep 19, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

True

It does get loud when we play certain teams, but only on those occasions.

Im now scared of the third peroid...thanks Blues.

by #74forthewin on Sep 19, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was about to mock the Blues. Then I remembered that the Air Canada Center is deadly quiet because they make a fortune selling the entire lower bowl out to high paying corporations who take business dates there to spend the entire game reading their Blackberries (except the first 5 minutes of each period, of course, in which time they are preoccupied eating sushi in the restaurant out back).

Glory glory Man United, AND the other MU, AAAAnd the Leafs. I think I need a drink now.

by Wan Ihite on Sep 19, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Im guessing if I made a refrence to Bell Center that would be bad?

Im now scared of the third peroid...thanks Blues.

by #74forthewin on Sep 19, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, no, of course not. This is a very inclusive blog. The Bell Center is a fine reference, feel free to mock it at leisure. Here’s a suggestion for a useful phrase to get you started “recycled soccer chants”, and here’s some video inspiration of the Bell Center crowd using another tired cliche and still getting it wrong.

Glory glory Man United, AND the other MU, AAAAnd the Leafs. I think I need a drink now.

by Wan Ihite on Sep 19, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Montreal fans crack me up. They get confident, make them selves look like idoits, loose, then blab about their past to make themselves feel powerfull. Reminds me of this one school up north, their logo kindof looks like ours..anyone know who Im talking about?

Jaro let up a weak goal..me no like.

Im now scared of the third peroid...thanks Blues.

by #74forthewin on Sep 19, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was about to say “yeah, the bruins suck too”… but then I realized you said SCHOOL. And wondered which northern school has a logo that looks like a tiger. Then I thought some more and figured out you don’t mean that logo, do you. We’re maybe talking about a team here with a very very big stadium that holds north of 100k people perhaps?

Glory glory Man United, AND the other MU, AAAAnd the Leafs. I think I need a drink now.

by Wan Ihite on Sep 19, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

That sounds like them

Im now scared of the third peroid...thanks Blues.

by #74forthewin on Sep 19, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah. Fricking Ohio State!

;P

Glory glory Man United, AND the other MU, AAAAnd the Leafs. I think I need a drink now.

by Wan Ihite on Sep 19, 2010 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's worth a try:

I worked from this image…the generator doesn’t have all the features working though :(

by CPC on Sep 19, 2010 3:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Did the refs help us out last night?

As a typical MU fan, I have rarely been to a game where I thought the refs actually helped us out. It seemed like there were two phantom flags against SDSU late in the game that made a big difference.

The first was with 1:36 to go and SDSU had a third and two. If they get two yards, they run out the clock and win. They got flagged for a substitution infraction. The announcers didn’t seem to know what the penalty was for. I didn’t know until I got home and checked. I never saw a replay to know if it was the right call.

Then with less than a minute, SDSU completed a long pass to about their 45 and were getting close to FG range. The play was called back for an illegal shift. Once again, the announcers didn’t seem to know what the penalty was for and there wasn’t a replay shown.

I was at a bar so I couldn’t completely hear the announcers, but it didn’t seem like they knew what the penalties were on either one.

Thoughts?

by MIZ-FKU on Sep 19, 2010 3:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, what ARE those penalties anyway?

Someone drop some knowledge here.

Glory glory Man United, AND the other MU, AAAAnd the Leafs. I think I need a drink now.

by Wan Ihite on Sep 19, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hoke's postgame comments seemed to vindicate the substitution call

He said their backup RB thought he was in a package that he wasn’t a part of, which was the impetus for the flag.

On the shift, I don’t exactly know, it was the length of field away from my seat. They were in a hurry up on that play though, so I’m definitely more inclined to think that the refs got it right and someone didn’t get set or something of that nature while they frantically tried to get a play off.

"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."

by Transmogrified Tiger on Sep 19, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

they didn't show a replay of either of those calls

so its tough to say if they were correct

illegal substitution would indicate that sdsu broke the huddle with 12 players

illegal shift means that 2 players were in motion at the snap

on the other hand, the refs hosed mizzou by not blowing the play dead on moore’s fumble. his progress was definitely stopped

also, i thought there was a rule against ‘assisting the ballcarrier’. usually a lineman pushing the runner into the endzone. on the long td run, the lineman certainly assisted the runner. disclaimer: i could be making this rule up, but i don’t think so

by Wooderson on Sep 19, 2010 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Two other things of note:

1. Tommy Saunders: Love that kid.

2. Clicking on “The Great Escape” link to the Trib, how about the young ’un in the Rock Bridge jersey on the right sidebar?

by RPT on Sep 19, 2010 4:33 PM CDT reply actions  

no ned to apologize fro the long intro to #1, bill.

who doesn’t love a “giant header”?

OK gang, you know the rules, no humping, no licking, no sniffing hineys. -Harry Dunne

by threadkiller on Sep 19, 2010 5:17 PM CDT reply actions  

*need* and *for* /sigh/

OK gang, you know the rules, no humping, no licking, no sniffing hineys. -Harry Dunne

by threadkiller on Sep 19, 2010 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

also, he said "gigantic". not giant. i'm a dolt who desperately needs the ability to delete posts.

OK gang, you know the rules, no humping, no licking, no sniffing hineys. -Harry Dunne

by threadkiller on Sep 19, 2010 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ultimately

I think the fan reaction from this kind of win should be seen as a positive. After all, everyone should be noticing that many established programs (Ohio St. v Navy last year, Okla v Utah State and Air Force this year) face near disaster at home from teams they are expected to destroy. I guess what I’m trying to say is, when you have your fans calling for the head of your offensive coordinator and future NFL quarterback after a narrow win against a West Coast school from a good conference, you know you’re doing something right. The bar has been raised. Keep truckin’, Tigers, keep truckin’.

"This looks like it could be gravy."
-Carl the Groundskeeper, Caddyshack

by MissouriMarine on Sep 19, 2010 7:11 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Right now he’s looking every bit the future NFL quearterback, from about the chin down.

Glory glory Man United, AND the other MU, AAAAnd the Leafs. I think I need a drink now.

by Wan Ihite on Sep 19, 2010 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wish I could rec this one 10 times

"Every absurdity has a champion to defend it" Olivar Goldsmith

by 1Believer on Sep 19, 2010 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

MissouriMarine

How old, if I may ask. My son is a marine….. at least until late October. He served one tour in Iraq.

"Every absurdity has a champion to defend it" Olivar Goldsmith

by 1Believer on Sep 19, 2010 9:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Enjoyed the article…thanks. Mizzou lost games like this a few years ago…they are figuring out how to win.

Scrappy SDSU played well.

I agree with one post saying the Mizzou team is more cohesive…not as many “stars”. There are signs of greatness and they are putting it together. They have the ability to win every game on the roster.

I agree with toning down the negativity at the games…..Ive noticed it comes from the “drunk aging frat boy” section.

by Erika Kohanowski Hunter on Sep 20, 2010 11:02 AM CDT reply actions  

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