Rock M Roundtable!
by Bill C. on Sep 8, 2010 4:00 PM CDT
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Five questions today, as I couldn't decide which nonsense question to go with...you get them both!
1 - What is the one area you would like to see your team (for MU and kU for Doug) improve in the next game (and no Doug, you can’t say "the win/loss column")?
2- So...do you believe in the "curse of mangino"?
3 - What do you make of the apparent end to America’s love affair with Boise State? We’ve enjoyed them putting a wrench in the BCS in prior years, but it seems that people would just like them to go away now.
4 - If you could only listen to one song on replay for the rest of your life, what would it be?
5 - Oddest Hidden Talent? Juggling, ear-wiggling, speaking a non-traditional second language, etc etc?
(First response: ZouDave's out-of-office reply. Bad sign for the roundtable.)
Doug: 1 - Ugh... how about "everything," is that legal?
2 - I believe in the curse of not having a cohesive offensive game plan. Seriously, it was like throwing a bunch of crap on the field and seeing what stuck. Some stuff worked, but it seemed like KU just went away from it to try something else in the playbook.
3 - I don't know if people want them to go away, but I think there are still a lot of people who, even with the win against VaTech, don't want to see a WAC schedule reward someone with a trip to the National Championship game. Perhaps it would be different if the BCS wasn't scared of putting Boise State up against a BCS school during bowl season like they did against Oklahoma.
4 - How about Symphony of Silence one? That way you never want to kill yourself after it hits triple digits on the playlist.
5 - Eye-brow rolling. I've only see Jack Black be able to do it, and I really wish I could do it.
RPT: 1. The development of the deep threat, if for nothing else, so teams see it on tape and have to at least prepare for it at some point.
3. People hate Boise State? According to those we follow on the RMN Twitter during Monday's game, that didn't seem to be the case. I think I may be in the 1 percent of people who doesn't have a strong opinion on Boise either way. Seems like everyone is either dead set on defending Boise or dead set in exposing them as a fraud.
4. Reckless Kelly, "Crazy Eddie's Last Hurrah." Next question.
5. Sabermetrics.
(Two hours later...)
Bill C.: So...um...I know it's only McNeese State this week and all, so we probably don't have to worry about a poor roundtable performance leading to a loss (then again...Ole Miss! Kansas!)...but...anybody out there?
Michael Atchison: 1 - Can I pick two things? 1) I’d like them to be able to run between the tackles more effectively; and 2) I hope someone emerges as a deep threat. I saw someone post a question about whether Blaine could be as effective a college quarterback as Chase, and the answer is a clear No, and it’s largely about personnel. Chase had Tommy Saunders, Jeremy Maclin, Danario Alexander, Jared Perry, Will Franklin, Martin Rucker and Chase Coffman as targets. Blaine has Tommy Saunders, Tommy Saunders, Tommy Saunders, Tommy Saunders, Tommy Saunders, Tommy Saunders, and Tommy Saunders. Possession receivers everywhere.
2- It seems the only plausible explanation.
3 - People want Boise to go away? Who? I guess I haven’t been paying attention. Knowing nothing about this, I’ll offer no opinion.
4 - Television, "Marquee Moon."
5 - I do Roundtables in my sleep.
Michael Atchison: With Dave being out of the office, we’re going to have to soil the reputation of someone else’s sister to get things revved up.
Bill C.: Your reference of Marquee Moon is odd for two reasons: 1) "See No Evil" from that album would be one of my "one song forever and ever" candidates, and 2) I made a Marquee Moon reference this morning in working ahead on Friday's Varsity Numbers column. Apparently that album is the center of the universe, and I only now realized it.
ghtd36: It's pouring here in Dallas. Figure that one out.
1 - I'd like to see Mizzou develop a better downfield presence on offense. And by "develop a better downfield presence," I mean that I want Wes Kemp to catch a moderately-deep ball early in every game to prevent defenses from creeping the safeties up farther and farther. It's a great maneuver, to kill them underneath to draw the safety in before hitting it big over the top. But that last part is sort of important to the whole thing.
2- No. Curses are things fans make up to make them feel better about the fact that their team stinks. There was no such thing as the Curse of the Bambino; the Red Sox just weren't good. There's no such thing as the Billy Goat Curse; the Cubs just aren't good. There's no such thing as the Mangino Curse; Kansas -- at least for one game -- just isn't good. North Dakota State caught Kansas with its pants down and won the same way that teams always make upsets: hang around long enough, make a few key plays, gain confidence and close it out with defensive stops.
3 - I'm torn on Boise State. On one hand, it's not fair that a program is subjected to geographical bias -- in that it is unattractive to any of the major conferences because, well, it's in Boise Freakin' Idaho -- and thus has closer to a 36-game road to the national championship as opposed to the standard 12- or 13-game road. On the other hand, consider this hypothetical:
-Ohio State goes undefeated.
-Boise State goes undefeated, beating VaTech on the road, Oregon State at home and a bunch of spares.
-Alabama goes 12-1, beating Penn State at home, Arkansas on the road, South Carolina on the road, Tennessee on the road, Florida twice (once at home and once at a neutral site) and suffering a 1-point, last-second loss at LSU.
With all due respect to Boise State, I can absolutely see how it's bullsh to put BSU in the title game over Alabama. So, I'm torn.
4 - Bananaphone.
5 - I actually speak French at a serviceable level. I'm the kid growing up in Texas who decided "Nah, Spanish is lame, let's do a language that I'll never actually use!" Took three years in high school, another seven hours at Mizzou.
Bill C.: Substitute "French" with "German", and that was exactly my thought process for choosing a foreign language to learn.
ghtd36: I think this is the point where you walk up to me, say something in German, and I surrender in French.
/BOOMHISTORICALSTEREOTYPEROASTED
Michael Atchison: And our entire readership says "what the &^%$ is Marquee Moon?"
Bill C.: Hopefully they look it up on Amazon and purchase it immediately. It's such an interesting combination of weird and poppy. With awesome guitar. #musicnerd
ghtd36: I won't lie: I just Googled it.
On a related note: were you guys there when they invented the automobile? What was public reaction like? Did sports talk radio mention it? Did you think it was just a fad?
Michael Atchison: The long guitar duel between Verlaine and Lloyd is the most blatantly sexual thing I’ve ever heard in music. And Tepper, Bill hadn’t been born when that album came out. As for me, no comment.
ghtd36: RMN's Google presence continues its meteoric rise with the phrase "most blatantly sexual thing."
Bill C.: And somehow, it wasn't in a reference to either ZouDave's sister or Jenna Haze.
ghtd36: Now that I think about it, has anyone ever seen ZouDave's Sister and Jenna Haze in the same room?
OH...
MY...
SCIENCE.
(An hour later...)
ghtd36: Apparently, my revelation that ZouDave's Sister could be Jenna Haze has caused Bill, RPT, Doug and ZouDave himself to all pass out simultaneously. I apologize for this inconvenience, esteemed RMN reader. I'm still here, and I love you very much.
RPT: If only she'd shown up in the Washington police report.
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bananaphone.
I would blow my brains out after hearing that 3 times…
Great Odin's Raven I love Mike "The Predator" Dixon!
Raffi!!
Whoever said, 'It's not whether you win or lose that counts,' probably lost.
Martina Navratilova
by tigers and chiefs fan on Sep 8, 2010 4:12 PM CDT reply actions
I would argue...
… the medium does in fact rule.
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by RPT on Sep 8, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Have you seen "Louie"?
The medium rules.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
Boise State
Elite schools like Oklahoma hate Boise State because they threaten the status quo.
Also-rans like Mizzou love Boise State because they threaten the status quo.
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1. gabbert stepping UP in the pocket, i guess.
2. sure. there have got to be curses. cubs…100+ years….i mean 100 friggin’ years! that’s beyond the realm of pathetic. that’s supernatural. so there’s proof they exist.
3. i like boise st. especially the smurf turf. screw anyone that says turf (especially the artificial kind) has to be green. i mean, it’s artificial. isn’t that worse than being blue?
4. inxs “never tear us apart” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oRI1-PznQw (don’t know how you guys embed the link in text. help?)
5. walking on your hands. maybe not so much of a hidden talent as an acquired skill, but cool nonetheless.
OK gang, you know the rules, no humping, no licking, no sniffing hineys. -Harry Dunne
Well, very few talents aren't acquired skill
you think Yo-Yo Ma was able to play Cello like that when he came out of his mama?
it's still a God-given talent, though.
at least to take it to the level he has. there are a lot of cello players out there (i think). not all of them are yo-yo ma. and, hopefully, thus ends the longest discussion on cello players that rmn has ever seen.
OK gang, you know the rules, no humping, no licking, no sniffing hineys. -Harry Dunne
True, he likely has more of an natural aptitude for it than most people
but, don’t negate the hard work. There are probably very few cellists in the history of the world who have worked as hard or as long at perfecting the craft than he has.
i don't.
it seems we agree after all. that’s what bothers me about talented athletes who opt for drugs or alcohol or whatever and don’t put in the work to make themselves truly special at what they do.
OK gang, you know the rules, no humping, no licking, no sniffing hineys. -Harry Dunne
Michael Atchison
Your selection of Marquee Moon is most excellent indeed
Killing me won't bring back your goddamn honey!
1 – What is the one area you would like to see your team (for MU and kU for Doug) improve in the next game (and no Doug, you can’t say “the win/loss column”)?
I find this hard to answer, because we don’t yet know how good UI is. We looked like we didn’t realize the game had started during the first half, and we were still within 2 scores (would have been one score if not for an incredibly rare FG miss). Then, we decided to play in the 2nd half. 23-13 seems like a really off score for Mizzou, but winning a half 20-0 is very good for us.
I’d like to see a little more diversity in our offense to keep the other team off balance. Having Blaine throw deep a little more often. Having our running game be something other than bringing a RB in motion and having him run off-guard on a delay. A team like OU will eat that alive. But, you don’t want to show off your entire playbook in week one.
2- So…do you believe in the “curse of mangino”?
Isn’t that where you go to Mexico and get really bad diarrhea? But, seriously, “curses” are just another way of saying “we did something really stupid are are paying the price for it”. I.E. Trading Babe Ruth, Rooting for the Cubs, etc.
3 – What do you make of the apparent end to America’s love affair with Boise State? We’ve enjoyed them putting a wrench in the BCS in prior years, but it seems that people would just like them to go away now.
While I find myself rooting against them, I feel like I’m in the minority. Of course, I feel that way because they’ve become the ESPN poster-child, and it feels like if we DON’T root for them, we’re bad people. I root against them because I legitimately feel that a season in a BCS conference with a weak non-con is much tougher than a tough non-con and a season in the WAC. However, none of that is Boise’s fault, but it doesn’t mean I think they’re worthy of going to the BCS championship game, without earning their way there through a playoff.
4 – If you could only listen to one song on replay for the rest of your life, what would it be?
Old 97s – Big Brown Eyes.
5 – Oddest Hidden Talent? Juggling, ear-wiggling, speaking a non-traditional second language, etc etc?
Hmmm. 15 years ago, I’d say playing French Horn. Now, it’d be changing a diaper of an unwilling 2 year old while corralling an 11-month old and keeping her away from said 2-year-old (or electrical cords, or trash cans, or…) Ah, fatherhood.
Number five is so easy
I can put both of my feet behind my head without using my hands. I can put one behind it standing up as well, it’s a heck of a dance move.
Making you feel old since 9/26/09
I would much rather hear that Sirensofsilence or
Tiger and Chiefs Fan could do this, thanks.
/dirtyoldman
i can lay on my stomach and bring my foot over my head from behind and touch it to my chin.
Annoying You Since 1986
Ya so did I.
Hadn’t tried it in a year or so. Now I can only make it to my mouth, but with a little stretching maybe.
Annoying You Since 1986
BOOM
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Does this belong in the cleansing thread?
Whoever said, 'It's not whether you win or lose that counts,' probably lost.
Martina Navratilova
by tigers and chiefs fan on Sep 8, 2010 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I kid.
Whoever said, 'It's not whether you win or lose that counts,' probably lost.
Martina Navratilova
by tigers and chiefs fan on Sep 8, 2010 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Unless ght's French has gotten better in the past 3.5 years
I’m not sure how serviceable it is.
I think the main backlash against Boise is that it’s September 8 and they have already, barring tremendous upset, clinched a spot in a BCS bowl (even with a loss to Oregon St. they’d get in the top 10 somewhere) and they are one losable game away from playing for a national title. To a lot of fans that is a sickening thought, myself included. Nobody should be playing for the national title based on the merits of a 2 game season. Is Boise good? Hell yeah they’re a damn good football team. But I have serious serious dobuts about their ability to run an SEC or Big 12 schedule unscathed, and that’s what it would take for Mizzou or any other team to accomplish the same feat.
I do think that while they're in the #3 slot now
if anyone below them goes undefeated in winning the SEC, Big 12, Pac 10 or Big 10, they will get a spot in the BCS title game before Boise State. So, they’re in a great position if they go undefeated, where in years past, they’ve been there and haven’t gotten that chance. But, the computers and pollsters will drop them when OU beats Texas and they beat New Mexico State the same weekend.
It's true that a team behind them would easily pass them
But I don’t think two Big 6 teams will go undefeated.
All of these are reasons why an undefeated Big 6 member should get in before Boise
But they’re not reasons by an undefeated Boise should get snubbed in favor of a 1-loss Alabama
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1. The odd exchanges/timing on some of the handoffs to the RBs I would like to go away. However, a couple of them allowed for even further down field blocking to be set up, so I don’t I know.
2. Curses are not real, they are made up by losers. -Kenny Powers
3. I like the potential upheaval that they represent. I have been cheering for them for more than a few years however, have you ever met a real Boise State fan? Nearly as annoying as Nebraska fans. NOT. EVEN. JOKING.
4. Temple of the Dog- Say Hello to Heaven or Nick Drake – Black Eyed Dog (too close to tell)
5. I have no hidden talent. Nothing hidden. Nothing talented.
Dr. Ausgiano schools me in the classroom and on the field of battle
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Sep 8, 2010 7:25 PM CDT reply actions
...from the mouth of decadence...
Dr. Ausgiano schools me in the classroom and on the field of battle
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Sep 9, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Son
What was that song that played at the end of that “Mannequin” movie you liked to watch? That seemed to be replayed all the time.
by Bill C.'s Dad on Sep 8, 2010 8:01 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Unlike my Danny White obsession...
…there is no evidence of this. Deny, deny, deny.
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Never heard that song in my life.
Nope. Never.
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I’m thankful that
a) I have an anonymous handle
b) my parents don’t care about sports or particularly sports blogs
c) even if they did, my childhood references would all be british so people here wouldn’t get them.
Oh admit it you Brit
You grew up loving Bananaman, didn’t you?
Elke ware zoon, zo blij van harte / Hemels boven ons zijn blauw / Er is een geest zo diep binnen ons / Oud Missouri dit is voor jou / Waneer de band het Tijger oorlogslied speelt / En wanneer de strijd over is / We zullen stampen, stampen, stampen, rond de kolommen / Met een kreet voor oud Mizzou!
by Dutch Missourian on Sep 9, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Well it did have a fantastic theme song, but I barely watched it afraid. I was really moor of a Danger Mouse afficionado.
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1. Gabbert stepping up into the pocket to get away from the rush.
2. The Curse of the Mangino was that KU stuck with that loser thinking he would elevate their worthless team to something on the Wal-Mart dollar bargain table. No dice.
3. I’m way over Boise State. I like TCU though.
4. The Stormtrooper March. It may have some other name, but at least when you were walking in somewhere, it would be intimidating.
5. Jack talk Thai real good. (Thanks, U.S. Army!)
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
1. Should be obvious
A run game that has Gabbert under center handing the ball off instead of running out the clock by diving up the middle and ketting creamed, possibly injured because you refuse to run a real offense and by real I mean something that resembles one ran on Sunday.
Here you go:
Here’s the schedule of Real Football for you to watch.
I’ll stick around and slum it with my imitation football.
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by RPT on Sep 8, 2010 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions
All I can tell you...
…is that we’re going to have to agree to disagree on this one. QBs take sneaks in short yardage in any offense, not just Missouri’s “fake” one.
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Gabbert's not a delicate flower
If he can’t handle a short run without getting hurt, maybe he should be renamed Brodie Croyle.
I won't be as kind as the others.
This is a phenomenally bad point.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
by ghtd36 on Sep 8, 2010 10:00 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
I wish it was one of those
That was so phenomenal that it was worth using such an excellent word choice.
"You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain." - Harvey Dent
Unless I'm mistaken
The Saints ran a WHOLE lot of spread shotgun in the Superbowl this year. I guess they lost though, right?
X
1. I am looking forward to Gabbert becoming familiar enough with his receivers that he will be able to stretch the defense a little more.
2. Curses are just psychological fixations on failure in my opinion – begun by circumstance, kept alive by fear of failure.
3. I think Boise St. is going to be a problem for people until we either have a playoff system, or go to the 16-team super conferences; they are going to win enough to drive their detractors nuts, and their fans into a persecution frenzy.
4. Anything by Leonard Cohen – actually everything by Leonard Cohen, but I just can’t pick one favorite.
5. I have no abnormalities, yet I am totally not normal; I have no special skills, yet my craft is described as skilled labor.
I have no abnormalities, yet I am totally not normal; I have no special skills, yet my craft is described as skilled labor.
So basically, riddles, you are saying.
a skill that is
Dr. Ausgiano schools me in the classroom and on the field of battle
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Sep 9, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry, guys . . .
. . . nothing so extravagant – just a hillbilly journalist with time on his hands :-)
My first roundtable since the debacle
1. I would reiterate tepper’s point about Kemp becoming a reliable downfield threat catching the ball, I would then argue that I should be allowed more areas to improve and override any veto; I would also like Blaine to avoid locking into receivers like I believe he is prone to, finally, the defense should be able to show that it can force strong rushing offenses into long 3rd downs where we can line up 4 DE’s and play stout man defense on underneath routes.
2. the absence of any object of that mass is bound to create a vacuum.
3. I think this particular Boise State team leaves a lot to be desired in terms of national title play, they were not better than Virginia Tech despite having vastly more experience on both sides of the ball. This team 40 years ago might have been a out of the blue powerhouse that significantly changed the football landscape, but we’ve already seen the shift from recruits to southern, warm weather and big name programs who can promote athletes on a national stage consistently via television exposure.
Its going to take several years of Boise St. consistently hanging with established powers to transition from underdog to upstart to legitimate in the eyes of the average fan/scout/journalist. They went through underdog perfectly, now they will have to suffer from the scorn of being upstarts in the eyes of rival fans and reporters and the “system” players in the eyes of scouts. By “system” I bridge the gap between the the derision the spread has endured and disrespect these teams have incurred because of scheduling.
4. It would have to be a song without words so I wouldn’t be driven insane. Sandstorm by Darude is my choice
5. I can blow spit bubbles straight out of my mouth, practically on command.
"You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain." - Harvey Dent
Sh!t!
I missed a Television shoutout? “Marquee Moon” may have the most hypnotic guitar solo ever.
If only the two leads didn't hate each other so much...
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