MIZZOUEXPANSIONAPALOOZA™ 2011: Any ... Minute ... Now...
by Bill C. on Oct 24, 2011 11:25 AM CDT
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It's Coming
Whether it happens today or not, it does appear that, barring some last-second, Lucy-and-Charlie-Brown development (which, as we all know, isn't impossible), Mizzou will soon be a) conditionally withdrawing from the Big 12, b) applying for SEC membership, c) getting accepted and d) officially withdrawing from the Big 12. We can debate whether it should happen, or what will happen when it does. We can bring up "SOURCES!!!!" again. We can discuss what it will take for Mizzou to get into the conference by next year. But at this point it would be rather shocking if Missouri wasn't in the SEC in at least 2013-14.
Never mind status, money, success, or whatever else. On a purely conceptual level, this is the boldest, biggest move Missouri will have made since they joined Oklahoma, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State and Nebraska in breaking away from the Missouri Valley to form the Big 6 in the 1920s. It will result in the dissolution of a set of hundred-year rivalries and the from-scratch building of new ones. It will be exciting in some ways and off-putting in others; some effects will be immediate, some extremely slow to develop. It is a move with plenty of drawbacks and pratfalls, but a group of pragmatic, smart Missouri officials have sent Mizzou on this path, and they have evidently gauged it in Mizzou's best overall interests. That's all that matters at this point.
Links:
Birmingham News: Missouri speeds up path to SEC East
Missouri will have at least the necessary nine presidential votes to be admitted into the SEC provided there are no legal or financial entanglements for the SEC and Missouri plays in the Eastern division, two sources familiar with the SEC's discussions told The Birmingham News. That would settle concerns by Alabama and Tennessee that they could lose their annual rivalry game. [...]
My concerns about Missouri fitting in the SEC are well-documented. But from Missouri's perspective, this is a move it needs to make in today's climate.
Let's see, stay in the Big 12 and cross your fingers Texas and Oklahoma won't leave in a couple years, or head for the stability of the SEC? It's wiser to gamble on competing in the SEC and confidently knowing the piles of postseason football cash will always be there.
Missouri's board also directed Deaton to attempt to set up a holiday basketball tournament and an annual football game in Kansas City. That addresses political concerns Kansas City would lose major Big 12 events, including the 119-year-old Kansas-Missouri football game that has been in Kansas City since 2007.
The Trib (Dave Matter): Report: Missouri has enough SEC votes
The Trib (Dave Matter): Missouri seems bound for SEC Eastern Division
The Trib: Head, heart at odds over MU decision
The Trib: MU seems ready for something different
The Trib: Don’t bring realignment between the sheets
The Missourian: COMMENT: Realignment Q&A — Tackling the next step for Missouri and the SEC
KC Star (Campus Corner): At this point, is it news that MU looks headed for SEC?
Post-Dispatch: It's 'when,' not 'if' for MU move to SEC
PowerMizzou: PMTV-HD: One step closer
KBIA Sports Extra: Fear not the SEC, Mizzou can handle it
Team Speed Kills: SEC Expansion: Missouri Board of Curators Calls Conservative Running Play
Dr. Saturday: Another week, another official step in Missouri’s journey to the SEC
Then What Happens?
I do feel for Big East fans at this point. Not only do they have to live life in a conference that has become incredibly unstable in recent weeks (when, not too long ago, they thought they were in an advantageous position), but they have also had to sit back and wait for Missouri's decision. Missouri! Not even Oklahoma or Texas.
Regardless, it does appear that the Big 12 will be in a solid position to make additions down the line, though as noted in the links below, the most interesting part comes because of the Big East's 27-month exit waiting period. Even if Missouri were to hold off on leaving until 2013-14, the Big 12 would still have to wait another year after that to add anybody from the Big East roster. They get TCU immediately, but if Missouri leaves, then the only way they get back to 10 teams within two years is if they add BYU, with whom they have had more on-again, off-again flirtations in the last month (and two decades) than Ross and Rachel on Friends. (Why yes, I am a child of the 1990s; why do you ask?)
Regardless of whatever awkwardness exists in terms of the timeline, the Big 12 could be in line to add either West Virginia (which, if you read the huffy AAS article below, is better than Missouri in anything, ever, anyway, and they always will be), Louisville or both ... and once again, Chip Brown floats the idea that Notre Dame is still in play, at the very least for non-football sports. Clearly this doesn't matter a lot to Mizzou at this point, but it's still going to be something fascinating to watch. As Frank The Tank mentioned a while back, this process has shown us that a conference's status is a conference's status, and one really can't leapfrog another one. Even with all the ridiculous instability and movement, the Big 12 is still ahead of the Big East in the pecking order, and that apparently won't change until or unless the Big 12 falls apart.
Links:
SB Nation Dallas: Big 12 Realignment: Missouri's Move Could Cause Domino Effect
KC Star (Campus Corner): Big East withdrawal notice could complicate replacing MU
Daily Oklahoman: Conference realignment creating scheduling headaches for OU football
Austin American-Statesman: West Virginia top Big 12 candidate
SB Nation: Big 12 Expansion: Notre Dame Considering Big East Exit, According To Report
In a move that could cripple the Big East even further, Notre Dame is reportedly mulling whether to pull out of the conference amid the growing chaos. Notre Dame's football team remains independent, but the rest of its sports have been housed in the Big East. But with the future of the conference unclear -- multiple teams have left and the football side is in shambles -- the Fighting Irish could be set to bolt.
The report comes from Chip Brown, who floats the Big 12 as a possible landing spot.
Sources tell Orangebloods.com Notre Dame will decide in 60 days if it will move non-fball sports out of Big East (possibly to Big 12).
Of course, the big prize has always been the Irish's football team, but this may be another situation where Notre Dame stashes its non-football sports in a conference and stays independence. Or Notre Dame may decide to stay put and hope the Big East stays afloat amid the shifting conference landscape. As with everything in conference expansion, what happens next is a bit unclear.
KU
The oddest part of this whole realignment drama is closing my eyes and trying to envision what Missouri fans will think of the Kansas rivalry in 25 years if this move does indeed go down and the two schools indeed stop playing each other annually. I continue to hope this works out (and in future what-if posts that will emerge if/once this becomes official, Kansas will be a mainstay), but if it doesn't, there will be quite a bit of wasteful pointing of fingers. (And really, can you blame either side? Can you blame Missouri for leaving like Kansas and others wish they could? Can you blame Kansas for taking a 'principled stand' against the team that just 'abandoned' them? Call it a casualty of this whole, ridiculous process.)
That's not what interests me, though. This rivalry has been going on for, basically, 150 years ... and what happens next? Do MU and KU play in football a few times a decade like Mizzou-Illinois? Never again? And how do future Mizzou students/fans, currently young or unborn, view KU? Will they hate Arkansas like previous generations hated KU?
Links:
KC Star (Campus Corner): KU response: Border War unlikely to continue if Missouri leaves Big 12
“KU-Missouri is a great rivalry,” Zenger said in a statement. “The University of Kansas is a great Midwestern school, loyal to our Midwestern conference and to our Midwestern roots. The KU-Missouri rivalry belongs in the Big 12 Conference. Should Missouri decide to leave the Big 12, we would wish them well.”
The Trib: KU's Self would have no interest in scheduling MU if Tigers defect
Kansas City
I do like the moves the Curators attempted to make last week as a gesture of peace to the Kansas City area. I don't know if they're realistic, of course. If Kansas refuses, does Mizzou try to set up a KC series with Kansas State? Nebraska? Iowa State? And who hosts invitational basketball tournaments anymore? Lots of questions remain to be answered, but putting forth the effort is important. It's all they can do in this current arrangement.
Links:
KC Star: Missouri tries to soothe KU and Kansas City
WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE AMERICA EAST CONFERENCE??
I just wanted to use this as an excuse to mention how happy it makes me that SBN has an America East blog now. Next up: Patriot League. Then SWAC.
Links:
Unranked America East: Conference Expansion...is the AE vulnerable?
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heh Bill Self
"I’m not sure our fans would care too much, either," Self said. "That’s how I feel. I think they would be very disappointed if Missouri left, and I would be very disappointed if Missouri left. … But if they leave, they leave. Big deal."
You wouldn’t know it reading the Star message boards.
Self and Texas Coach Rick Barnes, a mentor to first-year Missouri Coach Frank Haith, are likewise prepared to say good riddance to Missouri.
"If they don’t want to be here, I don’t want them here," Barnes said. "I don’t think anybody does."
Thank you Rick Barnes. The entire nation was on the edge of ours seats wondering what you thought about this.
So it's now being reported that when y'all come, it'll be to the East?
good to hear, and if it’s true, I can welcome you proper.
If y’all went West and ruined our rivalries, you’d be public enemy #1.
Almost welcome.
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 24, 2011 11:43 AM CDT reply actions
"If y’all went West and ruined our rivalries, you’d be public enemy #1."
You obviously don’t read the Big XII blogs. We already are public enemy #1.
yeah, but nobody cares what other Big XII schools think
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 24, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 9 recs
I deem your common sense useless, Incipient Senescence
by Tohoya on Oct 24, 2011 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
But...
wouldn’t that create some new rivalries?
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
no new rivalry will ever compare to the old rivalries
The Big XII should’ve realized this and kept OU/Nebraska. But hey, there’s a recent y’all are leaving. In the SEC, we place importance on things that are important.
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 24, 2011 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't understand the words that you use
barbeque and rivalries
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 24, 2011 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
poutine….. and now I’ve seen that and I’m sooooo hungry. mmmmmmmmmmm. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
you don't even use the word right
it’s a noun, not a verb.
but as long as you smoke it, we’ll get along. unless you start hating on Ridgewood. . .
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 24, 2011 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
bbq is most definitely both a verb and noun.
well, blimey.
by threadkiller on Oct 24, 2011 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
next you'll be telling me it's another name for "grill"
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 24, 2011 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
well ...
http://www.oed.com/view/Entry/15409?rskey=G0t5Pk&result=1&isAdvanced=false#eid
1. A rude wooden framework, used in America for sleeping on, and for supporting above a fire meat that is to be smoked or dried.
1697 W. Dampier New Voy. around World ii. 20 And lay there all night, upon our Barbecu’s, or frames of Sticks, raised about 3 foot from the Ground.
1697 W. Dampier New Voy. around World iv. 86 His Couch or Barbecu of sticks.
1879 J. W. Boddam-Whetham Roraima xiv. 155 For preservation, a barbecue is erected, and the fish are smoked over a fire.
1883 E. F. Im Thurn Among Indians of Guiana ii. 47 Fires, above which were babracots loaded with beef.
1883 E. F. Im Thurn Among Indians of Guiana xi. 248 A babracot is a stage of green sticks built over a fire on which the meat is laid.
2. An iron frame for broiling very large joints.
1736 N. Bailey Dict. Domesticum 347 When the belly side is‥steady upon the gridiron or barbecue, pour into the belly of the hog, etc.
by jschooltiger on Oct 24, 2011 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
don't go bringing your damn Yankee dictionaries into this
the word carves the world at its metaphysical joints. The dictionary doesn’t.
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 24, 2011 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
on second thought
this response is missing a “[comma], damnit.”
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 24, 2011 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
but descriptive books don't help in a normative argument
this is properly normative. . . albeit a bit short on books
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 24, 2011 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
NO!
People who say they are having a BBQ and end up grilling burgers and hot dogs are common, but nonetheless a scourge that needs to be wiped out.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
I think we'll get along alright
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 24, 2011 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions
the tendency toward violence becomes apparent once again.........
well, blimey.
by threadkiller on Oct 24, 2011 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I embrace mine, you (until recently) denied yours
join me and we shall rule the univers.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
ok, you can be pinky.
well, blimey.
by threadkiller on Oct 24, 2011 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
you are using the wrong tense
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
by mizzou2396 on Oct 24, 2011 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
truth
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 24, 2011 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
HA, THE Canada problem exists.
I think that’s where TK first learned to kick puppies.
Unicorns, and iPhones.
and participation ribbons for kU football
by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Even if the Big East loses all of their D-1 football schools ... how does that affect ND?
Since they don’t play football in the conference anyways, couldn’t they stay independent and continue to play all other sports in the Big East with the other non-football schools?
I’m known as a bit of a dreamer!
Men's basketball would be just fine
Notre Dame would still be in a conference that includes Georgetown, Villanova, St. John’s, Marquette and DePaul. That’s a quality conference and geographically compatible.
Would Notre Dame give that up to go to a conference that’s better in other sports like women’s basketball and baseball but increases travel for all its teams besides football? Doubtful.
The Notre Dame to B12 thing is just insane.
As I posted on the SBN blog with that link:
ND would pretty much have its pick of conferences, ESPECIALLY if the football team was included. The Big 12 has been reflexively bashed far out of proportion to its quality as an athletic conference, but it’s politically a train wreck. Some teams have bolted and some have stayed, but of the 12 members as of 3 years ago, the only four that have NOT taken ANY official steps towards looking at leaving are kU, KSU, ISU and Baylor – i.e., the schools for whom it’s not an option, so there’s nothing to decide. That has to say something.
The only teams looking to sign on are either teams that desperately want the AQ bid (TCU, maybe BYU) and teams fleeing the sinking wreckage of the Big East (say what you will about the B12, so long as Texas and OU stay it’ll still exist, so that’s at least 6 years of minimal security before you have to play existential roulette once more).
I don't think we have to play Kansas every year in order to keep hating on them.
I can pretty much guarentee that my children’s grandchildren will be hating Kansas as much as I do.
by M Krip on Oct 24, 2011 12:02 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
agreed
living miles from the Missouri/Kansas boarder just makes me hate the entire state. I’m not worried about my future felonious children hating Kansas, its a guarantee in my book.
twitter handle: @asstastic_o1
Okra and Brussel Sprouts will forever be my sworn enemy!
by BillSelfsToupee on Oct 24, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, but your kids will be half jayhawk to begin with.
well, blimey.
by threadkiller on Oct 24, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
that will be a deal breaker
if they ever even imitate rooting for KU, they will be abandoned.
twitter handle: @asstastic_o1
Okra and Brussel Sprouts will forever be my sworn enemy!
by BillSelfsToupee on Oct 24, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
and they'll be riding around in a black and gold Mini at least.
Unicorns, and iPhones.
and participation ribbons for kU football
by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
exactly!
I have tried to lay the seeds of tiger love before they were even conceived.
twitter handle: @asstastic_o1
Okra and Brussel Sprouts will forever be my sworn enemy!
by BillSelfsToupee on Oct 24, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope it's an S...
I had a loaner non-S once, and it was anemic.
yup
twitter handle: @asstastic_o1
Okra and Brussel Sprouts will forever be my sworn enemy!
by BillSelfsToupee on Oct 24, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
In the future, KU's football will only be on the LHN so no one will see it. Younger generations love to hop on bandwagons (see karma thread) so if KU is winning in bball, the hate will fade with time.
It’s inevitable. Even if parents are conditioning the kids. You have to feel the hate personally for it to grow and be passed down properly. IMO.
Unicorns, and iPhones.
and participation ribbons for kU football
by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
real hate, like love, has to be nurtured.
I mean, look at Germany in Europe – no good wars for 10 or 20 years, and people have mostly forgotten the hate hting, and are back to normal garden-variety bickering (which is pretty much the natural state of affairs among humans).
yep. Imagine a time in the future where we haven't played a game vs KU in years or a decade or more.
By then a Mizzou fan saying “I hate KU” will be the equivalent of “Get off my lawn!!”
Unicorns, and iPhones.
and participation ribbons for kU football
by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
MU and KU will play each other less, hate each other more
Actually could make the rivalry even greater
http://www.SimmonsField.com
Yep, if a game was scheduled at Arrowhead 5 years from now.
You could pretty much bet with certainty that KU fans will actually buy up some tickets regardless how well their season is going.
For the most part, I've been trying to stay out of this
This is a big, tough decision for you guys, and I understand the strong urge to keep it in the family.
I have been following the discussion extensively in hopes of getting a better understanding, but I’ve been sort of stuck.
The reasons to go seem to boil down to: 1) Big 12 is unstable / Texas can’t be trusted; 2) SEC means more money; 3) SEC would treat MU better (more equal revenue sharing / stricter rules on bowl selection). The reasons to stay include 1) preserving rivalries / being part of the core rather than part of the periphery; 2) lower expense (both travel and keeping up with the Joneses); 3) impact on Kansas City; 4) easier competitive environment (?).
What I haven’t seen is this: how will you judge five / ten years from now if your leaders made the right decision? I know you’ll make the best of it, etc etc, but what does success look like? Football revenue will almost certainly be higher; but so will expenses. The same is true for the athletic department in general. I assume that winning the Conference would be success (you were right and KK was wrong that Mizzou could compete given the extra resources). I assume that having to drop an Olympic sport (or tap university funds to pay for it) because football needs more and more resources would be considered failure. I assume that a stadium expansion filled to capacity would be success and crowds no bigger than today would be considered failure.
Am I on the right track? What do you think success looks like?
Success.
Am I on the right track? What do you think success looks like?
by tigr on Oct 24, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
kinda like the rent?
twitter handle: @asstastic_o1
Okra and Brussel Sprouts will forever be my sworn enemy!
by BillSelfsToupee on Oct 24, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
That picture, and games like that
Are basically the only reason to stay. But it’s just too risky. My definition of conference expansion failure: if we get to play Kansas for another hundred years in the Big East/Sunbeast/Mountain USA.
by IHatedHarpos on Oct 24, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
One way to know the SEC is the right choice
will be if the Big 12 doesn’t right itself. That means real stability and equity over the long term. If Texas or Oklahoma bolt in 5 to 10 years or the conference is significantly weaker than it has historically been, that’s absolute confirmation that we made the right choice. If Missouri is competitive, the expanded stadium is mostly full and the athletic department is healthy, to me, that’s success, and these things are largely within the control of Missouri and its fan base. (At minimum, there are things we can do to increase the likelihood that these things will happen.) Success if we stay — a stable equitable strong conference — is largely not in Missouri’s control. That, to me, is the reason we need to go.
by IHatedHarpos on Oct 24, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
I think there's something in this, yes.
Success would be Mizzou continuing to thrive as a university. Vindication (I won’t call it success) would involve the B12 imploding or sinking heavily in status within the next 10 years.
I do think the B12 has reasonable odds of continuing as a successful power conference – probably better than a 50% chance even… But I’ll be relieved if Mizzou’s fortunes are no longer tethered to those odds because they sure ain’t 100% either.
Exactly. I won't be happy if the Big 12 implodes or sinks,
But it will be absolute confirmation that we made the right call. The SEC will be a tough road, but we’ll be in the driver seat. In the Big 12, we’re in the back of the wagon and we don’t know when we’ll be kicked to the curb.
by IHatedHarpos on Oct 24, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I think this is spot on.
The sleeper has awoken. . .awakened. . .he woke up.
by SleepyFloyd7 on Oct 24, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks, guys.
I went to the best journalism school in the country.
by IHatedHarpos on Oct 24, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think this is what I was missing
First, thanks for the good concise answer to my question
Second, to respond, I guess I’m not totally clear on succeeding in SEC football and filling an expanded football stadium are largely withing Missouri’s control but the holding together of the Big 12 is not. Both seem to depend on overcoming opposing forces (Texas in the case of Big 12 instability; big dollar SEC programs in the case of football) that appear at first glance stronger than MU right now.
I’m not trying to be argumentative. I certainly understand why you have strong faith in Pinkel (certainly, KU fans have great faith in Self), and I guess maybe you have less in Deaton after the way things played out last year. But it’s not immediately apparent to an outsider why Missouri has more control over its destiny in getting into the upper rungs of the SEC than it does in keeping the Big 12 on its path to more equal sharing and more binding commitments.
because we can control our team's performance on the field
(as much as you can control these things) by hiring the right coaches, recruiting the right athletes, coaching them in the right way, etc. We can control that to a much larger extent than we can control the rest of the schools in a conference, say, voting to allow high school games on a school run network.
by jschooltiger on Oct 24, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe I'm just fundamentally misunderstanding this.
It seems to me that in both cases you have a competition.
The schools in the SEC don’t want to be pushed down the standings and will compete to stop you from doing so. They are doing this with substantially larger budgets (for at least as long as it takes MU to expand the stadium and fill it). Within those monetary constraints, you control who you hire and recruit, and you have a good coach at the helm right now (how old is Pinkel?).
The schools (well, really just Texas) in the Big 12 don’t want to be told what to do, and don’t seem to have much motivation to work for the collective interest, but despite those urges, they have agreed to several steps in that direction lately. Assuming that going independent is not an option (and I don’t see how they can do that without gutting Olympic sports and Men’s BB), the competition is whether you can rally the other schools to outvote Texas in the conference board room. Of course, you control who you hire for this job just as much as you do any other job.
It seems that, in both cases, things are trending well (football program is on the upswing, Texas is making many concessions), but the challenge gets far more difficult immediately after making a decision (football competing against big-budget SEC football; MU loses its immediate leverage in negotiations with the Big 12).
I don't really see any Texas concessions.
Even the 6 year handcuff deal hasn’t been set in stone. Texas has now conceeded to somehow gain three games for the LHN instead of first one, then two. I would assume those games will circumvent the tier one and tier two splits of the money with the rest of the conference.
How can Missouri do anything to keep Texas and OU in the conference should they decide to bolt and take two more teams with them? The only ways I can think is if Missouri is willing to give up some of their cut of the money and relenquish their conference game with Texas to be aired on the LHN.
by M Krip on Oct 24, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
this, pretty much
You can compete against Alabama on the football field using clearly defined rules, enforced by reasonably impartial refs. When has Texas ever done anything OTHER than form coalitions of haves and dictate to the have-nots? It’s not a game that you can score points on by getting lucky or making a great play, it’s the partner with all the economic leverage dividing, conquering, and dictating at will.
The K State people also seem to be under this delusion that you somehow fight Texas and OU in the B12 and win. You don’t really. Best case scenario you get to choose from between which set of unpalatable options they want to present you with.
Yes in theory it’s possible to win votes against Texas in the B12, but that’s been true from day one. As Dr. Phil would say, “how’s that working out for you?” (and now I feel a little dirty for quoting him)
I hear what you're saying
But Texas mainly accomplished what it did by either taking advantage of regional rivalries or pitting the haves versus the have-nots. Now that A&M and Nebraska are gone, it’s really only regional rivalries that will work, and I don’t think it’s clear that Baylor or TCU are inclined to follow UT the way that Tech and A&M were.
Whomever the new members are, they’re likely to be have-nots and have no regional rivalries that can be exploited.
I agree that it’s much clearer to hash things out between the sidelines than in the boardroom, but it’s not at all clear to me that MU’s easier path lies between the sidelines. Still, reasonable people can certainly differ on this.
I get what you’re saying here, and there certainly is some uncertainty… the landscape is changing, and it’ not clear exactly how it will fall out. But I think the basic dynamic is that at the end of the day Texas can say “take it or leave it” because everyone knows that they have can have options if they really want to, and most of the other schools don’t. Yeah Texas would be locked in for 6 years, but a) everyone knows that once that time is up, Texas could find ways to leave them cold if sufficiently motivated, and b) the LHN will be growing as a percent of their income over that time, and that money is tier 3 – the conference has no claim on it at all.
So long as Texas can keep OU and Tech on side, and have at least a semi-credible threat to leave KU, KSU, ISU, Mizzou & Baylor out in the cold… I mean Mizzou has an option right now, but let’s not kid ourselves that it’s because the SEC love us so much they’d move heaven and earth to get us. It’s because they really want to get to 14 and we’re the best option available at the moment. Maybe the B10 would pick us up later in some big conference expansion thing, maybe, but I don’t think any sane person is waiting on that. Mizzou and KU would probably end up SOMEWHERE ok, but… I mean, let me turn that back at you, how sanguine are YOU about that as a possible future?
Well, KU is obviously in a much different place than MU
The SEC holds much less appeal for a basketball school, and obviously the distance (both geographic and cultural) is much greater between the SEC and Kansas than SEC and Missouri. Plus, you only have one rivalry tie that binds you strongly to the Big 12 while we have two.
All of which is to say that, for KU, a future in the Big 12, as scary as it is, would be better than a future in the SEC. I hear MU fans repeatedly say that any other school would take the opportunity if given, but I honestly think Kansas would, at most, use the leverage to get concessions out of the Big 12.
The Big 12 isn’t an ideal situation, but, aside from newness, any other situation seems equally problematic (but in different ways). I don’t relish the idea of 1000 mile road trips for every conference game. I’m sure we’d form some new rivalries relatively quickly, but look at the Texas teams: 15 years in, and, aside from UT, I don’t care what happens in games against them as much as I care about games against any Big 8 school. I don’t want to play Big Ten style basketball. I don’t want to go to Atlanta for a conference tournament. I don’t want to lose the Kansas-Missouri rivalry, and I don’t want to be split up from K-State.
I think Bill Self would have us at the top of any conference we joined, and I think there’s a serious chance Texas drives this conference into a ditch. But I’d still rather take our chances here than try something else and see what happens.
Kansas maybe would pass on an SEC invite
but you would be kidding yourself to think that if the B1G came calling tomorrow that KU wouldn’t be out the door before their shoes got tied.
Would MU join the Pac-12 tomorrow if they offered?
Do you really want to be in a conference with no schools within 1000 miles?
If I thought the PAC would ever consider Mizzou, maybe
They’re certainly more stable than the Big XII. Plus, we would get Colorado back. We like Colorado.
And the ACADEMICS!!!
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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I don't think we ever would have seriously considered the Pac-12...
…basically because of the distance issue. I mean, we would have if the conference were truly disintegrating before our eyes, but that’s the only way. It was B1G/SEC or nothing for us, I’m pretty sure.
You’re right, though. We do like Colorado.
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And certainly, if the Big 12 was disintegrating, we'd leap for an ACC lifeline
But if it came along today, I think it would be a very tough decision.
Agreed.
In the end, I think we leave for the SEC as much because of what it offers as because of what the Big 12 doesn’t, even if “stability” is indeed one of the things on the “What SEC Offers” list.
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Right
I realise i’m a in a fairly small group here, but i’d jump to the SEC if offered even if the B12 was 100% stable.
It’s just a higher plane IMO, and I think our school is good enough to be on that plane.
by MizKC on Oct 24, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with others...
…who say that a perfectly stable Big 12 is as good a place as any. The only problem is, “perfectly stable” and “accidentally/temporarily stable” are two different things.
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Why?
ACC is clearly the best basketball conference now. The chance for Kansas to play Duke and UNC every year? The chance to stick it to Roy every year? I mean, sure, you would have to give up 600 yards rushing to Georgia Tech every year, but basketball would be fantastic.
I just can't wrap my head around a conference that's 1000 miles away
The basketball would be cool, but right now we have huge KU contingents at almost every conference arena. You hear the Rock Chalk chant in Ames and Manhattan and Stillwater, etc as the game winds down. I love that. Switch to playing in a conference 1000 miles away and all of that ends.
And what about all the other sports? Are we going to start flying the volleyball team to every match? Just so we can play UNC and Duke in basketball twice a year?
Joining the ACC would bring some positives, no doubt about it. But I don’t think it would be a positive change for the athletic department as a whole
[sorry, this posted reads a bit rushed; i’ll expand later if it’s not clear]
Have you seen KU's other sports?
I don’t think that would be an issue.
by Gaknar on Oct 24, 2011 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know if it all ends.
Other than UW basketball stuff here in Seattle, I see others in this order:
2) Gonzaga – makes sense
3) Kansas
4)Oregon
There are Alumni everywhere. It wouldn’t be horrible. Just not what it is now.
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Oct 24, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions
That's true. We've got alumni all over
I meant more the students taking road trips and all the people around the midwest who can’t get a ticket to Allen Field House so they get a ticket to see us play on the road and turn it in to Allen Field House. Losing Colorado was a huge loss for our fans out west in this respect.
really?
I get the geographic concerns and the issue with leaving K-State behind, but I’d think as a basketball school, the upside to joining a basketball conference with duke, unc, pitt, syracuse, etc. (and potentially notre dame to boot) would make it easy – especially since missouri would have already left the Big 12.
Maybe I’m underestimating the need to stay in the same conference as K-State, but if Missouri leaves, there’s not much outside of geography and the Wildcats tethering the Jawhawks to the Big 12.
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I was taking the hypothetical to be KU leaving instead of MU, not after
If MU leaves, it’s certainly easier for KU to leave at some point.
Well
If KU left us behind, we would cancel the Border War out of spite. Because you hate Kansas City.
by Gaknar on Oct 24, 2011 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think we'd want it to continue...
We’d just start bringing knives.
I don't think so
Mizzou is fortunate with its geography and solid academics/athletics to have the opportunity to be in 3 BCS conferences. I think, along with others on here, that the SEC is the worst fit of the three but we still fit. As you pointed out a B12 in any shape is better than the SEC for KU, and with KSU, you are pretty much stuck.
For those that thing KU would be gone in a blink of an eye
What do you make of all the hemming and hawing from Missouri fans on this decision? Are you guys just more sentimental than us?
You ought to know more than anyone how tough it is to leave. And I just pointed out that we have even more reasons to stay than you. It would be very tough for us to leave.
Probably just the different opinions...
Some of us were packing the bags for the SEC first we heard of things. I myself nearly got a tattoo.
Others are more, yea, sentimental.
Truthfully, even though I think leaving is the right choice, it does suck. I think some of what you’re seeing here is cognitive dissonance trying to minimize that suck.
by Wan Ihite on Oct 24, 2011 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree that it sucks but in the same breath, staying sucks too in the Big 12 of the present.
But on the other side, both options have good points as well and what I am going to do is focus on those good points instead of the suck parts of the move or non-move.
Cognitive dissonance happens every time you have conflicting thoughts like “I am dieting” and “I ate that whole cake” or “I’m honest” and “I took a cookie that didn’t belong to me”. All it means is you start looking ways to change one or both of thoughts, or minimize them so that they don’t conflict anymore (e.g., “diet starts tomorrow / it wasn’t that big a cake / everyone fibs now and again, doesn’t mean anything / they won’t miss one lousy cookie”).
Right now we have “KU rivalry loss sucks” and “I don’t trust Texas” (plus a bunch of others), and once we’ve decided that leaving Texas is the thing to do, that leaves us to say “well the KU rivalry could still continue / we’ll find new rivalries / the state won’t go anywhere and will still be hatable / Texas really REALLY sucks so this is a great idea”).
Not saying any of those thoughts are more right or wrong, just that we’re motivated to explore out in that direction.
I would like to ask you
Are you in favor of ending the rivalry? What is the predominant feeling on that?
I love the rivalry and would like to see it continue
But I also recognize that doing so would likely harm Kansas, and I’m very reluctant to do that.
The football team needs to schedule some teams it can beat (the only good thing to come out of MU leaving is that our share of the exit fee may help buy out Turner Gill’s contract) while it tries to rebuild from the wreckage.
The basketball team is the cash cow that funds the rest of the athletic department, and every scenario I’ve seen for KU and MU continuing to play would cost KU several hundred thousand dollars compared to scheduling a different non-conference game.
It’s a very tough call, and I’m glad I don’t have to make it. There’s also a strong urge among a lot of the fanbase to punish MU and not do them the favor of continuing the rivalry, even if it costs us as well. I don’t agree with that sentiment, but I understand it.
It's not really punishing Mizzou though
We gain Kentucky, which is just KU with inverted letters.
by Gaknar on Oct 24, 2011 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And better football and basketball
by SEC Supremacist on Oct 24, 2011 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You better hope old habits die hard
And when the higher-ups at CBS see MU playing team with a name like KU, they go ahead and schedule it for a Saturday afternoon national telecast.
I agree it's worth more than money
But you can understand how it’s difficult to hear MU fans talk about how much more money they’ll make in the SEC and then say KU should sacrifice some money to keep the rivalry going.
not being argumentative ...
How does KU lose money scheduling, say, an additional game (in a sold-out Sprint Center) against MU in late December and/or a football game at Arrowhead instead of a non-con, early-season snoozer?
don't know a ton about it
but I assume it’s because kansas has to split revenue at the gate with another team when playing at a neutral site. They host a game instead, and they get to keep more of the revenue.
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KU sells out every game as is
If we schedule the game in AFH against a low-major team, our take is about $500K. In the Sprint Center against, say, UMKC, it’s about $600K.
The way the budget works, we’re paying a guarantee of $50K to $150K to the smaller school and keeping the rest. Against a major-conference team like MU, the usual deal would be to split the revenues. Since we can’t sell any more seats than we already are, there’s no extra revenue to be made (except for a little sponsorship money), so the money for MU’s share of the equal split comes directly out of KU’s pocket.
Obviously, this doesn’t apply to football. The issue there is the state of our program.
And we can't play any additional games at Sprint Center
Because doing so would jeopardize our ability to play at the Sprint Center during NCAA tournament play.
This one doesn't hold water with me
The NCAAs might come to Sprint Center at most once every three years. So I may get it in the odd year where the tourney is scheduled in KC, but not every single year.
What's your theory for why we don't play there more?
I don’t know exactly how the rules work, but Villanova got screwed by a hard line interpretation of the rules with respect to the Wachovia Center, and ever since, schools have been much more careful
OK, well ...
… if it doesn’t apply to football, revenue’s not keeping us from playing. The state of your program is you could use as many relevant games as you can get, frankly.
… and, even taking into consideration, that you’re only selling half the tickets to the Sprint Center, wouldn’t you charge more than double the price of a ticket against, say, Howard (which would be in addition to a season-ticket / donor package)? and wouldn’t you not have to pay out a guarantee?
Furthermore, I bet there are more revenue opportunities in a non-con game against MU. I’m sure MU and Illinois make more than just ticket money from Braggin’ Rights (TV, not having to operate own arena, etc).
Suffice it to say, I’m skeptical of the revenue argument.
I know MU fans want to believe that there's nothing stopping the rivalry from continuing
And I suspect that sort of motivated reasoning is the basis for skepticism of the revenue argument.
The numbers are what they are. Rivalry games can goose attendance and, as such, can be a big moneymaker for teams that don’t sell out. I guess this a big part of the appeal of Braggin’ Rights. It was probably a big part of why Texas and Oklahoma started playing at the Cotton Bowl all those years ago.
However, for teams that sell out every game anyway, it’s very tough to make the numbers work so that a non-conference rivalry game is as valuable as a non-conference guarantee game. Generally, you need a national audience and sponsorships to match (like the Jimmy V Classic KU was in last year or the Champions Classic KU is in the next 3 years).
FIFY
I know MU fans want to believe that there’s nothing stopping the rivalry from continuing
by jschooltiger on Oct 24, 2011 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I wonder if Mizzou wouldn’t even forgo a complete 50/50 revenue split to make it work, if that’s what it took.
In other words
Just like what we’ve been accused of in MU going to the SEC, KU is more interested in money than the rivalry.
by kp1981 on Oct 24, 2011 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
sooooo YES
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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions
As I said above in the thread at 5:04
I agree it’s worth more than money
But you can understand how it’s difficult to hear MU fans talk about how much more money they’ll make in the SEC and then say KU should sacrifice some money to keep the rivalry going.
by KSinDC on Oct 24, 2011 5:04 PM EDT
But KU makes up that money with the football game
Do you think we like having to share with a team that can’t even fill their side of the stadium?
I have no idea what the take from the football game is
But as I said above, the football program is in terrible shape right now, and needs winnable games more than it needs money.
It doesn’t really make sense to have the basketball team sacrifice money and then say we can make it up by harming the football team.
I do think the football rivalry is the more likely one to continue because it will benefit both teams assuming our next coach can get our program up off the mat.
I do agree with you up to a point.
That point is football.
Yes, I can see why there is no benefit for KU in playing a basketball game in KC and I can’t blame them for opting out of it.
Football is another matter in that the take will certainly be better than scheduling a cupcake. Additionally the Border War isn’t really the basketball game, we’ve merely stolen the title to help sell the game. The Border War is almost 150 years of football hate and history and letting that die out of spite is shameful. That said, I still accept the fact that Mizzou shares some blame in this but, in the end, spite from Kansas is the ultimate factor if the game dies.
by GreenRipper on Oct 24, 2011 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Looks like you and I are thinking along the same lines
I basically agree with you. I was just 1 minute slower in posting.
Tickets sold?
So the revenue argument, such as it is, revolves solely around the sheer number of tickets KU could sell (i.e., 16,000 for another Howard-type game vs. 10,000 for MU in KC at assuredly higher price points), and doesn’t even want to try to include ancillary revenue?
I’m not motivated by a desire to see KU hurt financially by adding one basketball and football game; that’s why I asked the question in the first place. But from what you’re saying I’ll remain skeptical that the numbers are what you say they are.
Moving to a conference like the B1G
would appear to be the smart thing to do if given that option over pot luck in 6 years. Sure it would be tough to leave. Its tough for Missouri to leave. I just assume Kansas would do the smart thing and join the B1G in this hypothetical but maybe I give them too much credit, I dunno? I imagine at least twice over the past two years KU was squirming at the idea of being part of the “forgotten five”. It was a pretty unpleasant feeling for alot of us.
Fair enough
but what you’re really saying here is “there aren’t any good options for KU”… and not just because they aren’t offering, but because you have geographic/cultural/sporting issues that would keep you away. That’s not at all the same as saying “Y’know, the B12 really ain’t so bad, it’s a comfortable and great home that I can’t imagine leaving”.
Plus I’m with M Krip here… if the B1G was calling up KU to have quiet meetings off in a farm somewhere, then KU would start contemplating the B12 in a new light, and it wouldn’t look nearly so cosy anymore. You’d grumble about the slow basketball, yeah, but rationalize that you’d just win by running circles around them.
Wiscy used to play some crazy slow bouncy-ball...
Somewhere around ’99, I watched a Wisconsin game that they won 52-34, or some such. They had some crazy brilliant old coach whose constant winning got even the folks in Madison to forgive his occasional racist remark.
Bill Bennett is gone
but they still play just as slow.
Big Ten basketball is excruciating to watch, and, partly for that reason, people don’t realize how great a coach Bo Ryan is.
I'm just trying to show the warts on every scenario
And I’m sure that as the prospect of leaving became more real, it would become more exciting (it’s so nice to be wanted).
But I think, given any possible scenario (B1G invite, SEC invite, etc) KU would be more inclined to stay than MU is. Not saying one is right, and the other is wrong. Just that the equations are different.
That’s probably true. Kansas is the geographic center, but Mizzou is closer to more of the population centers, and has a more divided identity. That gives us more options.
And while I agree with you that Mizzou fans are probably whitewashing some of the SEC’s warts to some extent right now, while getting really invested in the B12’s, I’m also seeing the opposite from some KU and KSU fans – I see them whitewashing the B12’s problems, and accusing Mizzou of being wildly irrational here, and arguing that if Mizzou would just stick around everything would work out great.
And if this was still the Big 8, that would probably be true. We’d be a small, happy, but slightly neglected conference. But it’s way too late to shut that gate now.
by Wan Ihite on Oct 24, 2011 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not trying to minimize the Big 12's warts
In fact, I’ve been trying to emphasize them in an exchange with Wrangler86 below.
But I think, warts and all, the Big 12 (with MU still a part) is better for Kansas than any other conference that could offer right now.
You have indeed been extremely reasonable. I wasn’t including you in the “some KU and KSU fans” that we’ve been seeing here and on BOTC, for instance.
There’s a lot of smart people here, but it becomes a bit of an echo chamber at times so I’ve really appreciated the different perspective you bring.
What are you implying?
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by mizzou2396 on Oct 24, 2011 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
no you didn
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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I must have missed something
How is the 6 year handcuff deal not set in stone?
Has there been any documents written up and signed?
It appears to have been a handshake agreement if that at this point and we all know how well the last one worked.
It was spoken about but what followed from it?
MU wanted at least a 10-year grant-of-broadcast-rights that would’ve effectively guaranteed the league’s existence. Instead, others pushed a six-year agreement that fit conveniently into the sweet spot that only Texas and Oklahoma could afford to break. And even that was never officially agreed upon.
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/19/3218067/both-mu-and-big-12-could-have.html
by M Krip on Oct 24, 2011 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
What is the big deal about 6 years?
Is that when the media contracts are up?
We're Texas, We're not OK.
That's how long it's going to take for the LHN to hit or miss.
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While this is the ideal time to leverage down UT and OU
All it took for both of these schools to come to the table with these concessions (which aren’t much, especially if they rejected a 10 year handcuff) was to be rejected by another conference. It certainly is not as simple as some have suggested that because UT or OU can’t leave tomorrow that everything will be rosy and that UT/OU will continue to hold the most leverage against the best interests of the conference and the smaller schools.
This is exactly what we heard last year
“The Big XII is saved! We have a new media deal! We’ve gotten rid of the Nebraska malcontents! Everything will be fine!”
One year later, six of the ten teams were looking to get out.
by Gaknar on Oct 24, 2011 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 10 recs
yes wish I could rec
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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Come on, Mr. Frodo. I can't rec it for you... but I can rec you!
by Gaknar on Oct 24, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
rec'd
most people don’t realize Sam was the hero of LoTR.
by jschooltiger on Oct 24, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Sam-Wise Gaknar
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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Meethrill
It’s strong so you won’t get ban hammered but light weight so you can troll all you want.
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Oct 24, 2011 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
the value of your post is worth more than the value
of all of College Station and everything in it
by jschooltiger on Oct 24, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
You shall not pass
on more than one Rec per comment.
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Oct 24, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
the Mountain of Doom?
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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
one rec to rule them all, one rec to find them. One rec to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them (to the ess ee see)
by Wan Ihite on Oct 24, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Take my sword,
My bow,
and my rec!
by MizzouRugby on Oct 24, 2011 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like my Rec's
raw and wriggling.
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Oct 24, 2011 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
you must understand, it takes a very long time to say "rec" in old Entish.
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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
There has been a lot of nastiness thrown around.
I want to say that I for what little it is worth I appreciate your level headed approach to presenting a differing view point with sounding like you are bashing.
"The power of the force has stopped you, you hosers."
For the most part, you guys have been very respectful hosts
I appreciate that.
It's easy to type out reasonable points and reflections
when others do the same.
Here’s to continuting the rivarly. No matter what.
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Oct 24, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's a game show scenario
We’ve opened Door #1 and found a new car. Do we take it? Or do we give it up, knowing that behind Door #2 could be anything from $1,000,000 to a basket of turnips?
It depends on your point of view, I suppose.
First, I don’t believe that the Big 12 is on a path to more equal sharing and more binding commitments. I simply don’t have any level of trust in Texas and Oklahoma, who have shown that they have little respect for Missouri and the other members of the Big 12. Because I believe a stable Big 12 isn’t possible, success in the SEC seems more likely than lasting success in the Big 12.
Second, trying to compete in the SEC sounds fun and exciting. Banging heads with Texas and Oklahoma and worrying about where we land if they bolt when we push too hard … doesn’t.
by IHatedHarpos on Oct 24, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
That second point makes a lot of sense
Thanks for indulging me.
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by Gaknar on Oct 24, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
For me...
The biggest reason to go is that it gives us the opportunity to play better football. Everything else is secondary.
Success means playing top rate football consistently. Getting recognition for that would be a bonus.
by galactahack on Oct 24, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
also
Mizzou is on the periphery of the Big 12 just as much as it would be in the SEC. Damn border state thing.
by jschooltiger on Oct 24, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
apparently better at international negotiations than conference negotiations. That’s an odd resume for a governor.
/NOT GETTING INTO POLITICS
You'll have to wait until 2:00
Kietzman will fill you in.
by IHatedHarpos on Oct 24, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Does it, in any way, improve the pension plan at the university?
I’m known as a bit of a dreamer!
by MizzouRah04 on Oct 24, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Dear lord please say this pension realignment issue is finally resolved!
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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
yea, tradition of me being late to the party continues, yea!
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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
and the lord spaketh saying
Did my commandments not speak to you of the glory and light that is the Z key.
can't. stop. replying. late. even with Z key. everything happening. so. fast.
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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Dave Matter via the twitterz
#Mizzou kicker Grant Ressel listed as questionable on depth chart with undisclosed injury
que?
kinda unnecessary
we got pretty used to him being automatic from 40+, and he hasn’t been. Doesn’t mean he sucks. Most kickers aren’t.
by jschooltiger on Oct 24, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I wondered if the extra weight on his one arm from the cast might have affected him a little.
They should have put matching casts on him to help him keep his balance while kicking.
Not sure what the latest injury news is but those kickoffs against OSU were really coming up short. I hope we can get that fixed this week.
So when is that B12 meeting today?
Considering Mr. Deaton will be there, doesn’t it make sense that we know once that meeting breaks? If we are gone, can’t see him not telling them today, and no chance it wouldn’t be leaked even if folks wanted to keep it quiet.
Unless the stumbling block is negotiating Mizzou’s exit fees & penalties & such, in which case the meeting today was maybe a lot more important.
That's why I wish we would do like Colorado did and announce we will stay for next year.
Maybe the Big 12 will cut us a better deal or just vote us out and we can save money on the exit fees.
dunno
not sure I’m super excited to play them all again… but it’s sounding like they’re so boned by the scheduling problems that our early exit would create that they might offer us a pretty painless package if we do stay the extra year. And to get that we have to talk up our desire to leave forthwith, so… you never know.
I think it's sad that the best rivalry in sports is going to end.
That’s the biggest loss as a result of the move.
wait, I thought Tennessee/Alabama was being preserved?
:-p
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 24, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The best rivalry in sports was that Boston - Hartford NHL hatefest.
It died a long time ago. Blame Bettman.
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
Who is stopping
the Iron Bowl?
/seriously, yall don’t know how to hate up here.
by SEC Supremacist on Oct 24, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
because we all remember that time when the citizens of Auburn...
decided they’d had enough with the terrorists from the West and burned Tuscaloosa to the ground…
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by MizzouCus on Oct 24, 2011 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
No, but yall weren't playing football then either.
The game was put on a 40 year hiatus due to fears of riots.
by SEC Supremacist on Oct 24, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Riots are cute
compared to pilage, death, and fire; and MORE FIRE.
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Oct 24, 2011 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Once again
There was no football at the time. Yall just hate the other state. That’s all well and good. We’re talking about football hate here. (Columbia was full of Jayhawk sympathizers by the way)
by SEC Supremacist on Oct 24, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
That same hate.
Spills over to football, it countinued after the war as well.
For upwards of 50 years or more there was continued “blood feuds” throughout the region. This overlapped the football playing time frame.
Columbia was not “full” of Jayhawk sympathizers, people pro-union and pro-confederacy were afraid and hated the Jayhawkers as much as some sympathized them. It was all kinds of FUBAR.
Though I agree with your contention this rivalry is not just about football, while the one you stated is. This is why I would contend that KU v MU rivarly is just as heated as any in the nation.
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Oct 24, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Missouri tigers are named after union forces who defended Columbia against confederate forces.
Columbia was a union town. That’s (one of the many reasons) why KU folks calling yall “slavers” is about as retarded as can be.
by SEC Supremacist on Oct 24, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
A story to illustrate the hate
KU Med Center has spent a ton of money building facilities to gain designation from the NIH as a National Cancer Center. A few years ago, they basically got the approval from NIH to go ahead and apply (these things work a lot the same as conference realignment in that sense) once they had an agreement with another top research hospital to help in hosting clinical trials (KUMC doesn’t have a large enough patient population on its own). The Med Center finalized a deal it had been working on with St. Luke’s, an excellent research hospital that also had the largest relevant patient population in the city. However, St. Luke’s was on the Missouri side of the state line, and the KS legislature passed a law blocking the agreement. They’d rather not have a National Cancer Center than have Missouri benefit.
Stupid, yes. But if we’re having a competition about level of hate, it’s hard to top letting your own citizens die in order to avoid helping the other side.
Whoa.
HOLY !
I hadn’t heard about that.
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Oct 24, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
That also takes a lot of KCMO/KCKS hate. The communities hate eachother and are fighting for economic development
by SEC Supremacist on Oct 24, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
This is western Kansas driving it
Believe me, the KCK delegation was apoplectic when that went through.
I'm sure Missouri politicians have done something just as bad.
I just can’t think of it right now.
"The power of the force has stopped you, you hosers."
It's the same rationale that has Kansans cackling when they steal businesses from across the state line
Shifting businesses around the metro doesn’t help the metro, it just gives bragging rights.
Yeah, but it helps/hurts states and municipalities
Lack of tax revenue kills cities. See STL City as an example
by SEC Supremacist on Oct 24, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not to get too political...
But some of us might argue breathtaking incompetence has a hand in that one…
Agreed. There everything's heading out to the county
But states and (to a lesser extent) cities lose major revenues when big companies jump across the border.
by SEC Supremacist on Oct 24, 2011 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Um, no
The mascot of the University of Missouri is a "tiger" but it is not actually named in honor of the beautiful animal as many people would think it is. Just like the Kansas Jayhawks, Missouri also has a mascot that relates to the American Civil War. The truth is the Missouri Tigers are named in honor of a Missouri Union militia unit that guarded the area of Columbia, Missouri (MU’s hometown) as well as the university itself during the American Civil War. The true "Missouri Tigers" were a Union "Home Guard" militia unit made up of local men from the area around Columbia. Their duties were to protect the University of Missouri and the area from approaching Confederate forces, pro-Confederate guerillas, desperadoes and others that may have threatened the area.
In fact, the Union army actually came onto the university’s campus in 1864 and took up residency on the campus in order to completely protect it from threatening pro-Confederate forces that were reportedly in the area. According to the University of Missouri, "one of these guerrilla bands that threatened to sack the town was that of the notorious Bloody Bill Anderson." College classes were cancelled and the students were sent home for the semester until the danger had passed. While on campus, the soldiers patrolled the grounds and even stayed in the President’s residence and other important buildings. The town’s constant state of preparedness is credited in preventing this attack and its reputation helped discourage other Confederate guerilla activity from occurring around the university during the remainder of the war.
In the 1890s, the University of Missouri’s first football team was organized and the athletic committee adopted the nickname “Tigers” to officially honor and recognize the fighting spirit of those Civil War Union home guards that protected the university and the area surrounding Columbia, Missouri.
by Gaknar on Oct 24, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
To all the folks that say we don't fit in the SEC the above begs to differ.
"The power of the force has stopped you, you hosers."
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SEC turf wasn’t… um, how do I put this delicately…. they weren’t exactly pro-union back in the civil war. We might get a lot of taunts from them, but “slaver” isn’t likely to be one, no matter how ignorant they are of the more enlightened aspects of Columbia’s history.
In the SEC you won't be "slavers"
You’ll be Yankees
by SEC Supremacist on Oct 24, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Ice yankee?
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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
That's Alaska.
Every so often Canada has earnest dialogues with itself about what it’s identity is, and the only thing everyone agrees on is hockey, and not-america. Canada thinks of the USA roughly the same way people here think of Texas.
Ice Truckers with hockey sticks, eh?
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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
they weren't jayhawk sympathizers, they just liked winning bball teams.
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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
The area around Columbia
was heavily pro-Confederate during the war, due to many settlers from Kentucky by way of Virginia and North Carolina. Claiborne Jackson, our gov at the time, was from the area, and tried to have the state secede. It was nicknamed “Little Dixie”. Price’s Raid in 1864, after it failed to threaten St. Louis, tried to attack Jeff City and start a rebellion among the pro-Confed people in the area
the Confederate-sympathizing counties were basically
those along the rivers, with some outliers (Gasconade County), because those counties had a large proportion of slaveholders. Much of the rest of the state, particularly the Ozarks, was very pro-Unionist.
by jschooltiger on Oct 24, 2011 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
That's what I'm learning in my History of Missouri class
The Ozarks were very pro-unionist because the land in the area wasn’t suited for farming, especially labor intensive crops, and so was cheap which led it to be farmed by those more of the German/Scots-Irish decent. Not that the area in the Boone’s Lick (the area that is around Arrow Rock, New and Old Franklin, Jeff City and Booneville) had huge plantations that required alot of slaves, but the number of slaves there compared to almost anywhere else outside of the Bootheel was huge. Our history is pretty freaking cool
Boonville. C'mon man.
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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
o/t
wife and I rode out to Boonville from Rocheport this weekend. Met my folks for brunch at Glenn’s, tasted wines in downtown Boonville, picked up the bikes, drove back to Rocheport and ended up at the A-frame right before sunset. Glorious itinerary.
by jschooltiger on Oct 24, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I've been wanting to see the places I've been studying in class
Any cool scenic drives to Arrow Rock, New-Old Franklin or Fayette?
New/Old Franklin is adjacent to itself
You could easily rent a bike in Rocheport and ride out there. It’s maybe 9-10 miles. Not much services, though. Or you could head out towards there on Hwy 40. Moderately more interesting than the interstate.
Arrow Rock is a pretty drive once you get off 70. It’s a nice little town.
by jschooltiger on Oct 24, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
oh, and Fayette is a really pretty drive
just exit at Midway and follow the signs. There’s a restaurant on the square that’s pretty solid — can’t remember the name right now.
by jschooltiger on Oct 24, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank you very much!
I have heard a lot of good things about the square, so I’m excited to take a little drive around there.
Emmett's
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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
^^^this is not the one because it is the two^^^
or double post or something
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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
can't believe you didn't gamble. What, you don't support educating children?
Every child left behind?
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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
nothing educates a child more
than no food on the table and the electric bill money and rent money going into the slot machines.
Billy, where did you learn to do drugs?!
From watching YOU, dad!
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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Indeed
Which is kind of ironic, when you consider the hillbilly reputation of the Ozarks today.
Hillbilly does not equal pro-slavery, though.
It’s my understanding that the same type of folks (German/Scots-Irish) settled the Ozarks and Appalachians, because the land was cheap. That’s where the hillbilly culture comes from — a mix of their old country customs plus stuff they developed while scratching out a living in the hills. Pretty country though, and bluegrass music is awesome.
by IHatedHarpos on Oct 24, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I think part of the problem
is that for many, the current definition of “hillbilly” includes “racist.” Not trying to speak for anyone. This is just my interpretation of what I’ve seen.
Oh, I love it
My dad is from Harrison, AR which is slap bang in the middle of the Ozarks. Beautiful scenery, people and culture.
But I have seen plenty of negative aspersions about the place, unfortunately.
The drive from Harrison down to around Mountain View and my hometown of Batesville
is one of the most scenic drives I’ve seen. Beautiful.
I’m known as a bit of a dreamer!
This is also why West Virginia became a state
The hill people didn’t like being dragged into the war, and wanted to separate themselves from it. The two groups had never really gelled in the first place, the war was just an opportunity to do it.
Any rivalry that always ends with a chant as dumb as "Rammer Jammer"
is just sad.
by asdtg2 on Oct 24, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not sure if this is BS
But the story I was told is that the Jayhawkers used to write the number of Missourians they’d killed in a raid on a rock at the entrance of each town (using chalk). Thus the origin of rock chalk. Again, might be total BS (the source was somewhat suspect) but this is what I was told when I was a student at MU.
by N8 on Oct 24, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
The chant post-dates the militia by about 30 years.
It was developed as a geology club chant.
Good to know
Like I said, it came from a pretty suspect source.
by N8 on Oct 24, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Missourian who switched loyalties
Now works for ku. Always liked to tell tall tales.
by N8 on Oct 24, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
When I was at Mizzou I dated a girl that went to ku for 2 years then transfered to MU.
it didn’t end well.
"The power of the force has stopped you, you hosers."
you and the girl, or her career at MU?
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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I believe it came about because it simply ryhmes with jayhawk.
"The power of the force has stopped you, you hosers."
Hey it's ku we're talking about here.
"The power of the force has stopped you, you hosers."
by drewder on Oct 24, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
There was that one time a Bama fan
Took a barrel of herbicide and dumped it on Auburn’s landmark trees (Toomer’s Corner), then called a radio sports talk show to brag about it.
Not the same as burning the whole city: more like paving over the Quad or herbiciding Peace Park.
by tigerdog9396 on Oct 24, 2011 5:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
When Clint Eastwood stars in a movie about the Iron Bowl, then you can talk about hate
by Gaknar on Oct 24, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Now
Spit.
"Every absurdity has a champion to defend it" Olivar Goldsmith
Are ya just gonna stand there and whistle Dixie?
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Oct 24, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Dyin' ain't much of a livin' boy.
"Every absurdity has a champion to defend it" Olivar Goldsmith
I didn't want to drag WVU into the slap fight because they are a good school and they don't deserve it
But…
If WVU is so much better than Mizzou in every way, why did the SEC reject them in favor of Mizzou?
i like wvu
and i hope they end up in the sec with us
athletically i think they are pretty similar to mizzou, but from a total university package i think mizzou is much more attractive… hence our eminent sec invite
one of my good friends is from there… they are some crazy hillbilly bastards
m-i-z... z-o-u!
don't take this to mean I'm agreeing with the article
but the difference is in market share/TV audience. Nothing in this whole mess has to do with the quality of the teams.
by jschooltiger on Oct 24, 2011 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
But that was kind of my point
The talk now is back to the “Mizzou is worthless we’ll just replace them with WVU and no one will notice” meme. If WVU was so fantastic, the Big XII could have gone after them at any point over the last two years. But WVU wasn’t even on the radar until BYU and Notre Dame said no and the Big East began to implode. Furthermore, when conference realignment started, WVU went first to the SEC, not the Big XII. And the SEC said no and presumably said yes to Mizzou. So even if WVU sports are better, the best conference in the nation has already established which university is the better fit.
Dude, if we do go you’re going to hear a lot of sour grapes and “harumph, we didn’t even like you that much anyways.” reactions. It really is a lot like a relationship breaking up. And being as we’re the ones walking out the door, it’s probably best for us to stay classy and just nod sympathetically while the other parties vent their spleens – even if they say some pretty stupid things in doing so. It’s just wounded pride and the childish impulse to lash out. They’ll calm down again in a while, and in the mean time we’ve got our footballing lives to move on with.
by Wan Ihite on Oct 24, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
After two years of this talk, and given how big their spleens seem to be, I'm just about out of sympathy
by Gaknar on Oct 24, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This
It really is a lot like a relationship breaking up. And being as we’re the ones walking out the door, it’s probably best for us to stay classy and just nod sympathetically while the other parties vent their spleens – even if they say some pretty stupid things in doing so
Mizzou fans need to show a lot of humility in this situation. No use rubbing anything in.
by MizzouSteve on Oct 24, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree we shouldn't act like Nebraska fans
But we’re under no obligation as a fanbase to be a permanent punching bag either.
I think the aim should be dignity. I’m reminded of the story of Pierre Trudeau. He broke up with his wife of some years, and she said all kinds of things about him, and he mostly just held his peace. Eventually someone said to him “do you know she’s written a book about you now in which she says all kinds of nastiness?” To which he reportedly replied “That’s one more than she’s read then.”
No idea if this story is true, it’s total hearsay, but the point is the important part :)
by Wan Ihite on Oct 24, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
same here.
I don’t comment elsewhere. They have their place to spout nonsense and I get to spout nonsensical things here.
"The power of the force has stopped you, you hosers."
Interesting, here's the WVU AD on Syracuse
“In fact, I would trade Air Force or Navy for Syracuse every day of the week in terms of the quality of the football program. No disrespect, but that’s just an observation I think most would agree with who understand football.”
Now, what am I going to do with these ten thousand spoons?
There is no spoon.
It’s a knife.
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Oct 24, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I still won't be surprised if Brady Deaton pulls a rabbit out of his hat
and the rabbit has a B1G tattoo.
http://www.SimmonsField.com
Like the rescue diver told Maverick...
You’ve got to let him go, sir, you’ve got to let him go!
by galactahack on Oct 24, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
that rabbit would be a skunk, in my opinion.
well, blimey.
by threadkiller on Oct 24, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
the B1G has pension problems, too.
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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
dead horse won't die moar. keep beating...
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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
He'll retire it eventually
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by trripleplay on Oct 24, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
ba-dump-dump
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I agree all of the conference moves are completely derived
from an attempt to recieve more monitary backing per school. It will be a goddamn travisty if Kansas officials write off the rivarly due to a perceived personal slight.
Also a holiday time KC-Sprint Center BB tournament would be absolutely exciting with multiple teams from different conferences. If Mizzou ends up in the SEC and can bring Kentucky to the Sprint Center, you can not tell me KU, KSU don’t show up.
Further, the thinking from Self about how the fans want to see it end just further exemplifies the discontectedness of people in power to the masses.
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Oct 24, 2011 1:45 PM CDT reply actions
There won't be multiple schools from the same conference though.
Which will make it easy when Nebraska, Colorado, Mizzou, kU, K-State, and Iowa St are all in different conferences
I'm trying to be a respectful guest and not keep harping on the same point over and over
But the tournament idea just doesn’t work very well under current NCAA rules. If it’s a real tournament, teams can only participate once every five (or maybe six) years, just like the Maui Invitational or the Preseason NIT.
If it’s not a real tournament, having multiple teams when any two of them would fill the arena is mainly an exercise in diluting the income for each school, unless you get massive massive sponsorship dollars kicking in.
KU is playing in a 4-team not-a-real-tournament with Kentucky, North Carolina and Michigan State the next three years. It’s in Madison Square Garden this year, Atlanta next year, and Chicago the year after that. The great evil bottomless supply of money that is ESPN is organizing it.
Most not-a-real tournaments are far more like the Hawkeye Invitational, where a BCS school beats up on a couple weaklings. That’s the far more likely outcome of MU’s KC tournament than something to compete with the Jimmy V Classic or this new ESPN Champions Classic.
I expect so.
Actually, Missouri could schedule more regular season games at the Sprint Center now that they won’t have to worry about playing in the Big 12 tournament there. I think you can play 4 games at a site without losing eligibility to play there in the NCAA tournament.
Of course, as long as the Big 12 tournament stays in KC (at least the next three years, I guess). Big 12 teams are limited to one game in the Sprint Center without knocking themselves out of being able to play there in the Big Dance.
I was not aware of that NCAA rule.
Yet another rule that doesn’t make any sense. In continuation, ESPN is apox on the landscape of college sports.
I really dislike those guys.
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Oct 24, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just because the reasons for a rule are not obvious to you does not mean they don’t exist. I have no idea about the details for this one, but I assume they’re to prevent a few rich schools from mostly scheduling each other, and shutting other people out, or something like that.
It's a rule that has evolved through many iterations
Tournaments are a way of getting around the limit on the number of games a team can play in a year.
Originally, only conference tournaments and the preseason NIT were allowed. Then the NCAA allowed teams off the mainland to host tournaments as a way to help them with scheduling. Hence, the Great Alaska Shootout, Maui Invitational, and the rest. Those ended up widening the gap between the haves and the have-nots (the big name schools played an exotic tournament every year) so the NCAA put in restrictions about how often one school could play (so the mid majors could have a chance at them) and lifted the restriction on them being outside the U.S. Thus the birth of the Guardians Classic and other state-side ones. I think the rule now is now more than two tournaments every five years and at least four (maybe five) years between returning to the same tournament.
I sure hope that somebody is manning the "Twitter-Verse".
I’d hate for this thing to break in the only place that news breaks and we miss it.
I’m known as a bit of a dreamer!
Meeting is delayed...
Because KSU pres is stuck on tarmac at DFW waiting on a gate. Should be deplaning around 2:05. Then there’s some driving.
Then talking.
Then yelling.
Then crying.
Then resignation.
Then announcement.
Then rejoicing.
Then back to the airport.
by galactahack on Oct 24, 2011 2:01 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Off topic
Anyone know when we get the new Big MO drum? I was disappointed not to get to see/here it at the game.
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by 1Believer on Oct 24, 2011 1:58 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
word I've heard is by the texas game
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I was at the Purdue game over the weekend,
and they had a big halftime show for their HC, and celebrated the 90th birthday of the “World’s Largest Drum,” which they currently have. They were not happy when I told them that Mizzou was about to dethrone them, so they need to get that thing out there pronto.
the drum debut has been put on hold while West Virginia and Louisville decide whether to oust Mizzou from division 1 athletics.
Everything in drumapalooza hinges on burning couches and gangbangers.
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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
One minute ag
GabeDeArmond Gabe DeArmond
Have received more info confirming what I wrote yesterday that #Mizzou will withdraw from Big 12 today. Only ? is when/how news comes out.
by SEC Supremacist on Oct 24, 2011 2:01 PM CDT reply actions
ha ha!
You think southerners speak quickly? How adorable.
by SEC Supremacist on Oct 24, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
K-State pres still not on the ground
Deaton announcement to B12 I would guess?
Snyder taught him how to use up the clock by keeping the ball...
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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why do things always have to come down to following and airplane?
"The power of the force has stopped you, you hosers."
buildings don't usually move?
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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
...and watching doors.
Don’t forget about the doors.
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Oct 24, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
One thing I've been wondering through all of this...
How does Pinkel’s Helicoptor recruiting antics rank among other SEC recruiting ploys.* That definitely beats out Auburn’s recruiting limo from a few years ago, amirite?
*Not including cash money payments.
Pinkel drops suitcases of money from his helicopter???
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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
who wouldn't want to play for a guy who makes it rain?
"The power of the force has stopped you, you hosers."
Unfortunately he was tossing out rolls of quarters.
/houston nutt’d
by SEC Supremacist on Oct 24, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
He has antics?
I figured he was too boring for that.
by SEC Supremacist on Oct 24, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
He has a pension for dropping in on MO high school football games
using a helicoptor provided by an MU donor. This tactic is credited with being a large factor in nabbing Gabbert from the nubs (well that, and Bill Calahan basically hand deliving Gabbert to Pinkel).
Haha, comp is doing wierd things to me on SBN lately.
Notice the half-double post below. Freudian slip maybe?
no wonder we had to make pension plan changes. We can't be giving those to high school football players!
That’s an even bigger advantage than highlights on the LHN!
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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
He got the idea watching old Ric Flair tapes from the NWA.
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
Fog gate 2011 continues
Kirk H. Schulz
It only gets better! There is no one to move the jet bridge to the plane – 10 minutes at gate so far – and counting ….
Sit, Mizzou. Good tiger.
After we beat you guys this weekend, A&M and Mizzou will be 4-4 in Big 12 play.
There is zero passion in playing each other. You guys just.. are.
A bowl of yogurt is more exciting than playing Mizzou.. and I’d be surprised if your fanbase didn’t feel the same about us. Limited 11 game history, playing every year. Boring.
Do you guys really want us as your protected cross-divisional SEC rivalry? Hell no you don’t.
So just stay. Sit. Keeping making yourself more and more attractive to the suiter you really want – the B10.
Mizzou wants the B10. Aggies want VT. Nobody likes settling. Just stay.
Here’s to hoping the SEC slows down, locks in 13 for 2012, and a grass root SEC campaign starts up at VT.
Oh yeah.. and revenge time, asshats. No pretty boy QB this year to save ya.
Pumpkin Pie
Ingredients:
2 cups pumpkin (canned or puree)
3 eggs
1 1/4 cups half and half
1 teaspoon pure vanilla extract
3/4 cup brown sugar
1/2 teaspoon salt
1 teaspoon cinnamon
3/4 teaspoon ground ginger
1/2 teaspoon ground nutmeg
1/4 teaspoon ground cloves
9 inch pie crust round
Directions:
1. Preheat oven to 350 degrees F.
2. Place pie crust dough round into a 9-inch pie plate. Trim edges to extend about a 1/2-inch over the rim of the pan. Fold edges under, and press to seal. Freeze until firm, about 15 minutes.
3. Cut a large circle of parchment; fit into the pie shell, extending above edges. Fill the shell with pie weights or dried beans.
4. Bake pie shell 15 minutes at 350 degrees F. Remove weights and parchment; bake 10 to 15 minutes more until golden brown. Cool completely on a wire rack.
5. Place pumpkin in a large bowl.
6. In a separate bowl, beat eggs well. Beat in half and half, vanilla extract, brown sugar, salt, and spices until thoroughly blended. Add in the pumpkin mixture, mix well.
7. Pour pumpkin mixture into pie shell and place in center oven rack . Bake for 30-40 minutes until the filling is firm.
8. Cool completely on wire racks and serve with whipped cream.
by MizKC on Oct 24, 2011 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Here is a Texas style possum stew.
I thought you would appreciate it more than just regular possum stew.
Texan Possum Chili
1 large possum or 2 small (good and dead-really dead)
3 onions chopped
1 pound sausage
15 jalapenos
5 tomatoes
2 red peppers chopped
3 squirrels, cut into pieces
1 armadillo
1 cup tea
1/4 can Copenhagen
Chop up everything (be sure to skin the ’dillo) set it on the fire (or stove, if ya wanna be fancy) let it boil until the dogs howl. Eat with regard to the bones and serve with cheese (not green) and more onions. This is actually a recipe my cousins taught me how to cook. It is actually edible.
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Oct 24, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think that would be ok.
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Oct 24, 2011 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I always thought when cooking with smokeless tobacco
You should use the pouch variety. Much like a bay leaf, it used only for it’s flavor and fragrance and should not actually be ingested.
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Not sure but with just a 1/4 can I think it would be ok.
Considering this recipe looks like it serves the whole clan. We usually cook our possum in a crockpot…..and with all the squirrels and armadillo in this it probably won’t fit.
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Every properly used recipe should be green. As well as any that would taste awsome.
Recipe with chew in it? Not sure where that fits in, but I rec’d nonetheless.
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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Dobroda a modo do porto
Ingredients
400g chick peas (garbanzos) soaked overnight (or substitute 1 can of chickpeas)
1 kg tripe
1 large onion
4 cloves garlic
1 tsp cumin seeds, peppercorns or juniper berries (or use all 3)
1 bay leaf
1 cup of chopped parsley
1 tin crushed tomatoes
1 hot chorizo
Olive oil
Salt and black pepper
Method
Drain soaked chickpeas and simmer in salted water for 2 hours until tender. Drain. If you are using canned chickpeas they need no preliminary cooking.
Meanwhile wash the tripe well and cut it into bite sized pieces. Simmer it in salted water with the spice seeds in another pot for 90 minutes or so. Drain and reserve 2 cups of the cooking liquid.
Saute chopped onion and crushed garlic in a casserole. Add the tripe and the sliced chorizo or a Portuguese chourcio if you can get one. Cook a further minute or two and add the chickpeas and tomatoes. Cook slowly for another 50 to 60 minutes adding some of the tripe cooking fluid if necessary. You are aiming for a stew like consistency.
Adjust seasoning and serve hot with a green vegetable.
Wine Suggestion
This dish could be served with a strong aromatic dry white wine such as Albarino or Vermentino or a red wine such as Tempranillo.
by jschooltiger on Oct 24, 2011 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.........................tripe.
A really good tripe stew, is actually umm…really good.
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Oct 24, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
We popped a bottle of Tempranillo
for family dinner last night. It was a actually an 85% Tempranillo/15% Cabernet blend, but it was pretty good. Granted we just had it with pork chops and sweet potatoes, but good all the same.
by Damnatio Memoriae on Oct 24, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I love Tempranillo
we were visiting family who have a house in San Diego and drove out to the wine country near there (Temecula). They grow mostly tempranillo and spanish grapes. Outstanding stuff.
by jschooltiger on Oct 24, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Interesting thing about Tempranillo
as they bottle age a wine with very high Tempranillo % will lose it’s red and start to turn more rust color. The flavor/smell will gravitate to less acidic as well.
We did a library tasting of a WA, wineries’ Tempranillo and the 15 year old bottle looked almost brown. Still tasted amazing.
I kinda like Tempranillo too. The parents are planting some this coming spring.
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Oct 24, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Learn something new every day
I really don’t know much about wine (my wife is far more knowledgeable than I am, so I don’t even bother trying), but I do tend to prefer Spanish and Italian wines/wine styles to French. I also really like Argentine Malbecs, since they seem to go pretty well with spicy foods, which we eat a lot of.
by Damnatio Memoriae on Oct 24, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Hells yeah.
The French wines (in general, broad sweeping in fact) tend to be more structured designed for multi-layers of smell/taste complexities. Wines to sip and enjoy.
Rather Italian/Spanish reds are meant to be consumed. They tend to be lower ethanol levels, can be less complex, usually lighter in color. Look at the edge of a Chianti. The edge of the liquid as it connects with the glass should bend the light to the point that it almost looks clear or at least rosey.
It’s because of the requirement of additional calories in the Tuscan diet, they couldn’t be drinking watre with all the physicall labor.They needed wines they could drink, not sip. I am going to assume the same for Spanish.
A French blend sometimes won’t do that. Aside, a Pinot Nior or something like that. That’s not to say Italian / Spanish reds can’t be dark and very complex, think Barberas’ and the like.
But, in general.
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Oct 24, 2011 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
That's the olde English way of spelling water, FYI.
/balls
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Oct 24, 2011 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I started learning (about 6 years ago)
by drinking every wine I come into contact with and continuously ask questions of the grape growers, winemakers, ect.ect.
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Oct 24, 2011 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Yall like sheep right?
Rack of lamb
1 rack of lamb (6-8 point)
1 cup mint leaf
1 clove garlic, chopped
1 tablespoon red wine vinegar
1 pinch sugar
2 tablespoons olive oil
Minted Pea Puree
1 (200 g) medium new potatoes
400 g frozen peas or 400 g fresh peas
3 tablespoons butter
3/4 cup mint leaf
Directions:
1Preheat the oven to 200 degrees C.2Place the lamb on a rack in a baking dish.3Place the mint, garlic, vinegar and sugar in a food processor and work until a paste forms.4Add the olive oil slowly to the mixture adding a little more if the mixture seems too thick-if the mixture seems too runny, add a few more mint leaves.5Season to taste.6Coat the lamb with the mint paste and marinate for 15 minutes.7Place in the oven and cook for 20-25 minutes or until done to your liking.8Minted Pea Puree: Place the potato in a saucepan and boil until tender.9Add the peas and cook for another 5 minutes.10Drain and place in food processor along with butter and mint leaves.11Pulse for a short time so mixture is smooth, but with a little texture.12Serve with the lamb.
by SEC Supremacist on Oct 24, 2011 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Um
There is zero passion in playing each other. You guys just.. are.
Oh yeah.. and revenge time, asshats. No pretty boy QB this year to save ya.
And seriously?
No pretty boy QB
The first thing my gf said when she saw James Franklin was “OOOH. He’s pretty….”
I'm just assuming that this guy hasn't
had time to get up to speed on proper SEC level trolling, because that was lame.
by Wan Ihite on Oct 24, 2011 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
well obviously the talent level would have put the world’s leading comedy industries to shame, but the dedication and execution just wasn’t there.
by Wan Ihite on Oct 24, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
When i first read it, I assumed he meant A&M's qb before Tannehill last year.
It never crossed my mind that it was our QB that saved us. OR that we needed saving in that game…
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by DnrW on Oct 24, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Interesting strategy.
a poster from another school comes in… full frontal recipe attack.
Anyways. You guys want the B10.. just keep telling yourselves that.
The Big Ten is done
They don’t want us. The Big East is dead. The Pac and ACC are not options. It’s SEC or stick with the Big XII.
I'm guessing you never went to that school though
Or else God help us if that is the quality of education Texas public universities provide.
by MizKC on Oct 24, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
We would be lucky to have the opportunity
to work in one of his school’s many cafeterias. Don’t even think for a minute we’d be accepted in as a student.
What are you talking about?
Or did you just hit your head very hard before logging on.
Arkansas is going to be Mizzou’s protected rival. You get the Ol’ Ball Coach.
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We Need the New Drum Now!
Before WVU, USF, Louisville, Cincy and U of Phoenix are all touted by Texas media as having bigger drums and better athletics, beer, women and academics at Mizzou.
by Truson on Oct 24, 2011 2:40 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Seriously
The blame game on Texas was understandable from the Aggies. They blame us for everything. But, I just don’t get it from
We're Texas, We're not OK.
I tried to cancel to rephrase
Was afraid I’d get a recipe….LOL
Texas fans like Mizzou. We respect the academics which we probably would mostly agree outweigh the athletics. But, it seems that Mizzou fans universally blame all this on Texas and I don’t get that since Mizzou was eyeing the Big 10 before Texas/OU started looking at the Pac 10. Texas/OU agreed to sign over rights for 6 years, why is that such a big deal diffrence then signing over for 10. It just doesn’t seem that big a deal to negotiate 6 years or 10 years and isn’t really worth leaving a conference about to me. I don’t think this is the best move for Mizzou.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
OK
1) Texas fans like Mizzou. hahahahahahahahahahaha
2) Texas was talking to the Pac when the Big XII formed. Whether that was before or after Dan Devine flirted with the Big-10 I don’t recall. But Loftin claims Texas was talking to the Pac-10 in fall 2009. Big Ten didn’t announce expansion plans until December 2009. Jay Nixon’s comments came two days later. This year, there’s no question Texas was talking to Pac-12 long before Mizzou was talking to the SEC.
3) Golden handcuffs aren’t effective when Texas and Oklahoma can afford a locksmith.
by Gaknar on Oct 24, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
I like the Tex/OU affording the locksmith. I don’t believe much of what Loftin says because A&M clearly has made mistake after mistake. They had their athletic dept. $15M in the hole borrowing money, and then refused to join in a Lonestar Network because they wanted to launch an Aggie Network. So, they have a lot of reasons to blame Texas and “misremember” facts.
I actually get the move the Aggies. They have always fixated on Texas and it left them not reaching their national visibility. They probably won’t succeed that much on the field, but it gives them a chance to re-set the benchmarks and branding. I bet Texas and A&M will hook back up at somepoint. Not any time soon, but some time.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
The Mizzou to the SEC never even came into play
until OU made a big public play for the PAC at the beginning of the season. Once that happened and Missouri found itself yet again in a very vulnerable spot did the SEC move come from out of nowhere to the forefront.
I can tell you that's not correct
This has been in the works for much longer than that.
by SEC Supremacist on Oct 24, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
SOURCES!!
If your best friend’s mom is best friends with the mom of an important SEC figure, you’ll fit right in! ;-)
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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Not at all
Yall don’t know me. You have no reason to trust me. But I’m right.
by SEC Supremacist on Oct 24, 2011 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Unless he knows moms and wives, I'm not.
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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
But it ruins the "Texas started everything"!!!!
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
There were rumors at least of Mizzou to SEC prior to that
But the Baylor lawsuit threat really prevented anything going forward. Clearly Mizzou was in contact with the SEC prior to that out of due diligence in case the Big XII fell apart. But I don’t think anyone took it seriously until Larry Scott issued the restraining order against Boren. Until then, Mizzou was committed to improving the Big XII.
In June 2010
When CU and NU already were gone and it looked like UT & Co. to the Pac-10 was about to happen, Gabe reported on a Saturday (I think) that MU was talking to the SEC. The story didn’t have time to get any legs because UT in all its infinitive goodness decided to save the Big 12 on Monday.
I meant this year
Clearly everyone was talking to everyone last year when Texas and Oklahoma rused us the first time. Those jokers.
Gotcha
But I bet when the MU-SEC deal is official that we learn more about these 2010 talks and find out that they were the foundation for what eventually happened this year.
My folks tell me that it has been in the works since aggie made the leap.
That’s when Mizzou knew stability was gone. Shortly thereafter contacts were made and it has been in the works ever since.
by SEC Supremacist on Oct 24, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Proof positive that T&C fan's recipe idea is working. :-)
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by MizzouRah04 on Oct 24, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nah, as long as you don't act like tigerblood, we appreciate differences
I know the source has a pretty heavy bias, but in a recent article had Loftin stating Texas looking at the Pac 10 in the summer of ’09. Just sayin
Probably not
But I don’t think it should be a conference buster and I do think Texas has made concessions to help it be more reasonable. This is some new territory and I think there was a lot of over-reaction happening.
Most other schools and conferences have a version of their own network. Florida has the Sunshine Network which is regional, and Texas was just the first to go national. I now consider a 4 letter word and wish we could put back the bottle. Heck, I can’t even get it and I live in Houston.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
Texas had to be dragged kicking and screaming just to get equal revenue sharing
And all we had to lose was a quarter of the conference and the A&M rivalry. What will the Big XII have to lose to get a conference network? Even the SEC thinks that’s the way to go. While all of the other conferences are looking ahead and what they can do to make their conferences stronger, the Big XII is reluctantly accepting changes that should have come 4 years ago.
by Gaknar on Oct 24, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tier 3 Rights
Currently the SEC does not have those and the teams can have their own regional networks. Florida makes about $10M a year off the Sunshine Network. So, it will be very interesting to see how the negoations come out for the SEC when their television contracts are re-visited. Slive has already said that the danger for the SEC is from within, not outside forces. Maybe all this drama will make Fl, Bama, AU and LSU decide it best to sign them over, but I have not read any commitment from anyone to do so.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
The danger to the SEC is allowing a Texas to emerge
Everyone has seen what the LHN has done to the Big XII. The Pac-12 and Big Ten have already ensured themselves against it and Slive wants to do it as well. Your network is poison and no one wants anything to do with it.
That may be true now
But go back a few years and Nebraska was bragging about their intentions to the first to have their own network. And, Aggies didn’t want to join Texas in order to have their own network. Everyone in the Big XII was trying to do it—Texas just did it first and got paid first.
It now appears to be a disaster from a PR perspective, but Texas clearly should not be ashamed that they were the first to get it launched. But, then again, Dr. Frankenstein could say the same.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
It is not that they should be ashamed
It is the fact that they are arrogant enough to let major members (whether or not you believe MU is a a major member is irrelevant) leave their conference because they want only what is best for them. And, they are still looking. They seem to want to go down swinging with the LHN, or else they would be in the PAC 12 next year.
No one could do or even imagine the partnership with ESPN Texas ended up developing.
Everything is bigger in Texas. Especially the middle finger.
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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
We're more than happy to blame Nebraska and A&M
Nebraska are hypocrites who threatened to leave the conference if equal revenue sharing was implemented and then two years later jumped to the Big Ten which has equal revenue sharing and a conference network. And then they blamed us for it. And no, everyone in the Big XII wasn’t trying to do it. Missouri was fighting for a real conference network as early as 2007. The Lower 8 realized early on that the LHN model wasn’t viable for any but the top teams and that a conference network with Texas walled off wouldn’t work either. It was all or nothing and we got nothing.
by Gaknar on Oct 24, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
truth be told Texas is not the only member of the B12 to put itself # 1, and take the rest for granted
but it’s a philosophy held mostly by those that are the biggest and richest, because they’re in the best position to exploit an everybody-for-themselves environment.
And Texas, for better or worse, is, and has been the biggest richest and most successful exemplar of that philosophy in the B12.
Check your info on SEC tier 3 rights
http://www.secdigitalnetwork.com/NEWS/tabid/473/Article/132060/unprecedented-espn-agreement.aspx
Football
ESPN has acquired rights to every SEC home football game (excluding those on the network broadcast package) and serves as the exclusive national cable home and the syndication rightsholder for the conference.
You've got it wrong
Pac 12 and Big 10 own ALL the rights including tier 3 of their conference members. SEC does NOT own all Tier 3.
■Each SEC institution retains the right to continue a local multi-media rights package.
http://outkickthecoverage.com/sec-expansion-to-14-goal-its-own-network.php
We're Texas, We're not OK.
What does a local multi-media rights package mean?
I take it to mean coaches’ shows.
And I agree that the teams own their own tier three rights, but the contract seems to say that they’ve already assigned them to ESPN, so they’re not available for use in creating school networks.
How it works
ESPN has bought the rights to all the football games but doesn’t have room for all of them each week, especially when there are a lot of non-conference games. Those games are farmed out to other outlets, usually to Fox regional networks. But every school gets to keep one game for its own use, normally on PPV.
So it sounds like the schools aren't in a position to start their own networks
Am I understanding that right?
Yes, it's hard to start a network
When all the football inventory you have is your worst game of the season. But somehow ESPN was convinced they could make a go of it with Texas despite that situation.
Now they realize it would be better to have more football and they’ve made that happen this weekend. But getting the carriers to bite still appears to be a big hurdle.
well...
now Texas can show up to 3, I believe, on the LHN in exchange for not showing high school games/highlights and reaps all the income from said games. Including conference games.
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
Would it be fair to assume that is why the grant of rights is only 6 years?
They are protecting themselves against it’s failure and reserving the right to look around should it fail.
Sunshine Network is not a meaningful analog to LHN
It is basically Fox Sports Florida.
Nobody would have a problem if Texas was airing its third tier games on a station it didn’t have any control over, didn’t have any profit sharing from, and didn’t share a brand with.
Univ. of FL
Makes about $10M a year off of it. It is pretty similar except with the branding (which is a big diffrence). LHN should have been Lonestar Network.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
KU makes $9M off their third tier rights
Money is not the issue.
The network is the issue. You want something that you control and profit from that extends the Texas brand, but even though it walks like a part of the University and talks like a part of the University, you don’t want it to be subject to NCAA rules on what universities can do with respect to recruiting.
Not to mention that Texas is agitating to pull more games out of the conference package and down to the third tier. I’m sure you can’t find a school in the country that’s trying to undermine the product that its conference is putting on TV like that.
by KSinDC on Oct 24, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Good point. And if we can't out negotiate UT on any point, how can we out negotiate the ESPN Deathstar on anything?
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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Funny how the only place you find a number for how much Florida is making off of the Sunshine Network
is a UT message board without a link to any a news source.
Apologize, looked at one google search and that was the heading from the message board
I’ll eat crow for dinner
pass on the sweet tea
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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Another important difference
There’s a lot more to Florida’s deal than the TV aspect. Florida has outsourced all its in-house advertising to the Sunshine Network in return for a portion of the $10 million a year. That means Sunshine Network sells all the signs in the football stadium and other venues, ads in game programs and other publications, etc. and keeps the money but has to give Florida a fee for the right to do so.
UT-LHN-ESPN is a TV deal. UT still has that advertising revenue coming in on its own.
I'm not sure where the very small # UT fans who have posted on here are getting their info on other schools "networks"
No one, I repeat, no one has anything similar to LHN. I think a number of schools have “networks” but those are through the local tv/radio networks that will broadcast their games to places of interest (i.e. the state of Missouri). Where I think many Mizzou and other non-UT/OU fans get upset is with the great success of the B10 network, without the buy-in of UT and OU, you can’t have a viable single conference network where no one school has a unique platform and makes more money compared to the other schools. If you don’t have LHN every school in the B12 makes money and everyone is happy.
I don't think anyone believes Texas or OU are committed to the B12
Given they have been shopping themselves two weeks ago but got turned down (in OU’s case) and told they wouldn’t be given special terms so they stayed put (in UT’s case).
The B12’s ultimate problem is a lack of revenue relative to the SEC, B1G and the Pac-12. That is due to Texas and Oklahoma’s unwillingness to commit to the league a long time ago. Poor leadership in terms of revenue generation doomed the B12. It’s just not competitive from a revenue point. Now that aTm, CU, and NU have left and been replaced by TCU the league lost any chance it had at being competitive for all schools in terms of revenue. Texas and Oklahoma wanted a large share, and their greed and B12 leadership incompetence kept the league from being innovative when the opportunity to create massive revenue was out there.
It’s completely gone now. There’s simply not enough good matchups left of media markets to garner a contract the size of the SEC, B1G, Pac-12, or even ACC (most likely). The league is cooked, and there’s nothing that could save it absent Notre Dame.
I don't agree
I think they are 100% committed.
I also think the numbers being floated by the SEC are inflated, and I think Mizzou had a great chance in the Big XII – 12 member days to really cash in on some serious bowl money.
I also think that Mizzou is going to be in a weaker position within the SEC to negotiate for things….especially as the new kid. I think the BigXII is going to surive and Mizzou would be better off in it than they will be in the SEC. Time will tell and I guess we are all going to get to find out.
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"I think they are 100% committed."
You can understand why some may find that hard to trust/believe, right?
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by Bill C. on Oct 24, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
A serious commitment ... of six years.
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by Bill C. on Oct 24, 2011 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And in the grand scheme of things
That qualifies as short term
it's not short term, it's a blink
sorry, but IMO it is only a serious commitment in the sense that UT is seriously committed to being able to get the hell out six years from now at the latest.
I find it very difficult to believe the recurring fascination of UT/OU big cheeses/fans with the shiny PAC goes away, especially when the B12 has suffered a serious downgrade on several fronts. I don’t think the rest of the conf. was anything UT wanted to hang around even before it got weaker.
Six years is just a holding pattern until a better or alternative exit strategy develops. And I think the short term can become a recruiting issue for schools like MU as soon as 2 years from now. Seems like a great way to recruit against us to suggest we don’t have any assurance what conference we will be in.
by tigertiger on Oct 24, 2011 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Do you really think Mizzou is leaving because it was not 10?
So, we couldn’t split the diffrence to 8 and be happy? It just seems that something should have sufficed.
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That's probably somewhere on the list of 59 reasons, yeah.
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Come on honey, tell me, which of the times I cheated was it that you're leaving me for
It weren’t the red head one was it, I already told you I never really liked her anyways…
The point isn’t any one act. Any of them on their own would be unremarkable. It’s a clear pattern established over the length of the conference’s life that has repeatedly demonstrated that Texas’ priority list goes like this:
1) Texas’ bottom line
2) Political pressure from the Texas legislature
3) there is no number 3.
I mean, if it was just Mizzou leaving and nobody else, you’d think maybe Mizzou was a bit flighty or something. But if literally everyone who has a way out is bolting for the door, at some point you’ve got to take a look in the mirror, and ask “why does nobody want to be in a conference with me?”
by Wan Ihite on Oct 24, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
If it's no big deal, why didn't Texas sign away their rights last year when the conference was voting on it?
You had Mizzou’s vote.
by Gaknar on Oct 24, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
"I think they are 100% committed."
Anyone who believes that should be committed.
by Gaknar on Oct 24, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
"cash in on some serious bowl money"
Granted the bowl money is all shared evenly, there’s still a major beef that Missouri has — namely, that we keep getting slotted into shit bowls even when we finish with better records than other teams, the crowning example being the 2007 season. (and no, I’m not saying the Cotton Bowl was a shitty bowl, but there’s no way MU didn’t deserve to be in the BCS that year.)
by jschooltiger on Oct 24, 2011 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
We’ll have to disagree on their commitment level then.
After that, there’s no argument for the B12 from a revenue standpoint. There are too many low revenue football schools left who don’t provide media markets.
KU, K-State, Iowa St., Oklahoma St., Baylor, TCU, and, arguably Texas Tech, are all schools who don’t generate enough revenue to make the Big 12 competitive. Colorado, Nebraska, and aTm did provide value. They’re gone. Missouri provides value. We’re leaving.
Do you see a trend here? It’s the Southwest Conference all over again.
+1
since the rec button isn’t working. If I’m lucky this will double or triple post, too.
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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
DeLoser the Dud is gonna be remembered for this day => the Day the Big12 (-2-1-1) died
Serves him right, too
A school without football is in danger of deteriorating into a medieval study hall.
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Auburn Would Welcome Missouri But May Well Sue
to put you in the West. Auburn belongs in the East. And Auburn does have an Army of Ivy League attorneys on the payroll. Not backwoods Southern lawyers from Bammer.
Auburn should have been in the East from the beginning. It is east of Vanderbilt’s longitude. The East has far more relevant universities. Auburn had been playing Florida and Tennessee annually "forever." It would be fun to restore historic rivalries which are far more interesting than the Arkansas and Mississippi and swamp urchins crap.
And it would help recruiting. And who wouldn’t rather go to Charleston after a game in Columbia than go to Branson after a game in Fayetteville?
It’s the Classic South / Historic South / Relevant South / Colonial South / Atlantic South versus the hinterlands South. Leave Bammer in the west where it belongs. Many thousands of Auburn students from Georgia, Florida, Tennessee and South Carolina have never been to Tuscaloosa and can’t imagine why anyone would ever want to go to Tuscaloosa. And going to away games in Florida, Tennessee and South Carolina is just far more appealing than going to freaking Arkansas, the Mississippi crap and the bayou. Leave that for the bammers. The East versus the West is Charleston versus Shreveport. It’s the Florida Atlantic Coast versus Arkansas. It’s South Carolina versus El Dorado. Let Bammer stay in the Hopalong Cassidy West where it belongs and let Missouri give the west a much needed boost
Trust me, it’s light years better company; and helps Auburn immeasurably.
something tells me gorgeous devil is gonna be sad when Mizzou is officially placed in the SEC East
And will (with merit, I’m sure) blame Bammer for it – forever.
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by agulhas78 on Oct 24, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Auburn has conceded this point
That fight’s over. Mizzou’s in the east. It’s a done deal. Like it. Don’t like it. I don’t care. It’s done.
by SEC Supremacist on Oct 24, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Dr. Gogue hasn't "conceded" it
according to Jason (his son, a fellow PhD student at Auburn who hangs out in Kansas City on the weekends). Of course, perhaps you get your “inside info” from “al.com”? LOL! I have to give you an “E” for effort, I suppose.
by Gorgeous Devil on Oct 24, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
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by Bill C. on Oct 24, 2011 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Do you think they're sitting in front of their keyboards with facepaint on today?
I mean, it is a Monday and all.
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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
3 posts into the fight and it’s already BOOOOOORING.
by Wan Ihite on Oct 24, 2011 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Fly you fools!
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Oct 24, 2011 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
things have been set into motion that cannot be undone.
well, blimey.
by threadkiller on Oct 24, 2011 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
SEC, show us the meaning of the word haste.
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Oct 24, 2011 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
What are THOSE?!?!?!
They call this, A PINT.
(they serve them in the SEC)
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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Tell ya what
By the end of the week we will see who is right and who is wrong.
by SEC Supremacist on Oct 24, 2011 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
/spits tabacee juice in the hot noon sun and continues the stare across the deserted main road with gun still drawn
No need to get into a fight with someone who's only been active on the boards
just over 2 months and has had about 5 posts until today, and likely has no clue what she is talking about.
by SEC Supremacist on Oct 24, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I made the mistake of feeding tigerblood earlier
So ya, I learned that lesson. I was just going for humor
In the interest of education
al.com is the Alabama (state, not college) version of tiger boards. Except it’s shared between barners and bammers and it’s always an amusing, if not interesting read.
by SEC Supremacist on Oct 24, 2011 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
"Whinning" isn't a word...
On the Auburn board a bit earlier today, I’m not sure whether you were trying to say “whining” or “winning,” but you need to go bitchslap your “reed’n, ratt’n ’n rithmatic” teacher for me. She didn’t earn her pay.
by Gorgeous Devil on Oct 24, 2011 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
• 125g fresh cockles or small clams (or mussels)
• 2 rashers of quality smoked streaky bacon
• olive oil
• 2 sprigs of fresh rosemary
• a small knob of butter
• 2 × 450g Dover sole, skinned
• 50g peeled brown shrimps or small prawns
• a small bunch of fresh chives
• 2 lemons
• sea salt and ground pepper
Sort through the cockles or clams and tap them. If any stay open, throw them away. Give them a wash and slush about in a bowl of cold water. Put a large frying pan on a medium heat and slice the bacon into matchsticks, then add to the pan along with a drizzle of olive oil and fry until lightly golden. Strip the leaves from the sprigs of rosemary and add to the pan. Fry for a few more minutes, then remove everything to a plate with a slotted spoon. Add a small knob of butter to the bacon fat, give it a little shake and carefully lay both fish in the hot pan, head to tail. You’re going to cook them at a medium high heat, so it won’t take long, but the cooking shouldn’t runawayfrom you. Cook the fish for about 4 minutes, then carefully and confidently turn each one over with a large fish slice. Quickly return the rosemary and bacon to the pan and add the shrimps and the cockles or clams. Using a tea towel to protect your hands, cover the pan immediately with a lid or tinfoil, making it as airtight as you can. Cook for another 4 minutes, or until the cockles have all opened.
Finely slice the chives, then remove the foil when the time is up. Squeeze in the juice of a lemon, scatter over the chives, add a good pinch of salt and pepper, then chivvy the pan around with a sense of urgency and remove the fish to a warm platter or two plates, pouring over all the juices and seafood from the pan. Nice served with wedges of lemon on the side and a simple pea and spinach salad, some buttered asparagus or new potatoes.
by Wan Ihite on Oct 24, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I saw a recipe the other day for "Macaroni and Cheese stuffed Meatloaf"
It looked both delicious and gluttonous. Sadly, i cannot find this recipe anymore.
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when you take a chunk off with a table knife… that’s a knob of butter.
It’s a Jamie Oliver recipe so it’s written in actual English, not in American :)
and all this time, I thought a knob was a unit of measurement of bald men.
the more you know…
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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Streusel-Topped Pumpkin Chocolate Chip Muffins
Makes 2 dozen
1 Spice cake mix (I used Betty Crocker)
1 15 ounce can pumpkin
1 cup sour cream
1/4 cup vegetable oil
3 eggs
1 teaspoon vanilla
1 12 ounce package chocolate chips
Streusel Topping
1/2 cup sugar
1/4 cup all-purpose flour
1 teaspoon pumpkin pie spice
3 tablespoons butter
Ignore the cake box directions. Preheat oven to 350o F. Line 2 twelve-cup muffin tins* with cupcake liners and set aside.
In a large bowl, combine cake mix, pumpkin, sour cream, oil, eggs and vanilla. Mix on low for 30 seconds, then beat on medium speed for 2-3 minutes more, until mixture is smooth. Stir in chocolate chips.
Divide the batter evenly into the cupcake liners. Whisk together the flour, sugar and pumpkin pie spice. Using two knives, a pastry cutter or your fingers, cut or smush together the butter until it resembles coarse crumbs. Sprinkle the topping over the batter. Bake the muffins for 20-30 minutes or until a toothpick inserted in the middle comes out clean. Cool on a wire rack.
*Because I always make my muffins larger, I was able to make about 16 muffins using a heaping 1/4 cup of batter for each muffin. These also took about 40 minutes to cook.
by Gorgeous Devil on Oct 24, 2011 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Shrimp and Cannellini Salad with Oregano-Chive Vinaigrette
2 Tablespoons champagne vinegar
2 Tablespoons sherry vinegar
1/4 cup extra-virgin olive oil plus 1 Tablespoon
3 cloves garlic, crushed
1 Tablespoon Dijon mustard
1 Tablespoon fresh oregano, minced
1 Tablespoon fresh chives, minced
1/2 teaspoon herbes de Provence
1 15 oz. can cannellini beans, rinsed and drained
1 pound large shrimp, peeled and deveined
1 shallot, sliced thinly into rings
1 cup diced tomatoes
6 cups green-leaf lettuce or another sturdy lettuce, washed, dried and torn into bite-size pieces
Kosher salt
Freshly ground pepper
Green onion for garnish
Croûtons
First prepare your herbs, onions and tomatoes by finely mincing your chives, oregano and green onion. Thinly slice your shallot into thin rings and dice your tomato.
In a medium bowl, mix sherry vinegar, champagne vinegar, garlic, chives, oregano, Dijon mustard, herbes de Provence and 1/2 teaspoon freshly ground pepper. Slowly whisk in 1/4 cup extra-virgin olive oil.
In a large bowl, combine the cannellini beans, tomato and shallot rings. Toss gently with 5 Tablespoons of the vinaigrette.
Toss the shrimp with remaining 1 Tablespoon extra-virgin olive oil and season with salt and pepper. Heat a grill pan over high heat and cook the shrimp until opaque throughout. About 3 minutes per side.
Place torn lettuce on individual plates or a platter and drizzle with a portion of the remaining dressing. Spoon the beans on top of the greens topping each plate with an equal amount of shrimp. Drizzle a little more dressing over the shrimp. Add some croûtons and garnish with green onions.
by Gorgeous Devil on Oct 24, 2011 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Of Course If You're Visiting Bammer or Athens...
Just bring a couple of possums you pick up on the way. Or some hot dog weenies. And your dumbest “Missoura” relatives…
by Gorgeous Devil on Oct 24, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
You see.
Feed a troll and you have fed him for a day. Give a troll a recipe and you have fed them for a life time.
YOUR WELCOME!
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Oct 24, 2011 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
BAND FIGHT
This upset me during the game, but I love the last paragraph.
http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2011/oct/24/the-play-the-music-died/?tigerextra
Welcome to the SEC
You should have zero guilt for leaving that conference of butt kissers behind. Last year UT had numerous meetings with Larry Scott and went as far as to assert that they were speaking on behalf of 6 other schools that wanted to leave for the PAC 10, those schools were: UT, OU, OSU, A&M, Colorado, and Nebraska. This treachery is why Nebraska finally left and who could blame Colorado for completing what UT had started. A&M said NO when Larry Scott approached them and told them what UT had set up. UT had gone as far as to create schedules for all 6 schools for the 2011 season with the PAC 10. No where was Missouri considered in this. This year UT, OU, OSU, and TTU threw themselves at the PAC 12’s feet, no where was Missouri considered in this.
by Texan304 on Oct 24, 2011 3:58 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Man, why all the hate from A&M?
You’d think we could have a ’We’re both fed up, so lets have each others backs against the haters and hold hands and skip merrily together to the SEC so we can count our piles of new ESS EEE SEE money!’ type of relationship going on. But its just a bunch of
I’d rather the SEC slow down so that they can at least attempt to get a better match than Mizzou.
and
Getting Mizzou is like getting an apple on halloween, a fruitcake on christmas, or having your birthday fall on Dec 26th.
At this point, I’m hoping this drags out a little bit longer so that its impossible for Mizzou to start in 2012… therefore giving the SEC another 8 months or so of soul searching.
Oh no...
there is definitely some hate from A&M going on. Not all of you, granted. But its there (and has been there since this all started getting real).
I call BS
Tons of horn and ku posers trying to do anything possible to discourage you guys. Behind the pay walls on A&M sites, they are 99% pro Mizzou2SEC
K. Guess I'll have to trust you on that one
Just a helluva lot of negativity focused at Mizzou going on over at iamthe12thman.
iamthe12thman?
I like reading that beergut guys stuff but the site is quite vacant most of the time. Texags is where the traffic is at, and most Aggies have your back. You will feel the love, aside from the game pain, when you come to Kyle this weekend. I would not lie to you, I am an Aggie from Joplin. Trust me, we have your back on this.
by Texan304 on Oct 24, 2011 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Precious.
My precious memes.
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Oct 24, 2011 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Random statement
I keep hitting “z” on twitter out of habit. Damn you yankees.
by SEC Supremacist on Oct 24, 2011 4:06 PM CDT reply actions
isn't it awesome?
it’s perhaps my favorite functionality of SBN sites, and it looks like they’ve rolled out a modified “mobile-friendly” version for the iPhone app as well.
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I hit z on everything.
And it should work on everything. Why doesn’t z work on everything? Why?
by IHatedHarpos on Oct 24, 2011 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
SBN holds the all the first tier rights to "Z"
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by DnrW on Oct 24, 2011 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Unfortunately, ESPN has just signed a $300 million deal with the 'q' key
by Gaknar on Oct 24, 2011 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Holy Crap
I can’t read fast enough to keep up with all of the comments. With literacy problems I will fit right in in the SEC.
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the worst part about all this is going to be possibly losing the rivalry with ku
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Anyone here?
What’s the latest news? (yes, being lazy and asking instead of looking it up)
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by sirensofsilence on Oct 24, 2011 4:44 PM CDT reply actions
Let's see
1) None of this is Texas’ fault because Florida has a network
2) A&M thinks we should stay because they don’t think it would be good for them to have Mizzou as a rival
3) Bammer-Barner flamewar has reached our shores
4) Pension plan spawns bad pun
5) Kansas hates us
6) We’re so bored we’re making Lord of the Rings jokes
by Gaknar on Oct 24, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Oooh ooooh I want to partake in LotR jokes!
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by sirensofsilence on Oct 24, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
well I hope you bring a sword or a bow or an axe or something, because we ain’t gonna have a party without one.
I've got my wizard's staff ready to go
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by sirensofsilence on Oct 24, 2011 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Watch out or I'll throw you down and smote your ruin on the mountainside
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by sirensofsilence on Oct 24, 2011 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
screw a&m.
see, i’ve developed the hatred already.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 24, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't really hate a&m
the more I see of their fans the more contempt I have (other than the one cool dude who was hanging around here talking about the paywall A&M sites – that one seemed like good peeps).
You forgot the stellar recipes
I’m here for the recipes more than alignment talk now.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
I’m honestly amazed that poutine has never caught on Stateside, it’s ridiculously unhealthy enough.
Here’s the recipe:
-Take french fries,
-Add liberal sprinkling of cheese curds (grated cheese can substitute as needed, but not quite EXACTLY the same thing
-Pour on a nice thick brown gravy
-Watch cheese melt in gravy and form strings as you pick out fries with your fork
-Go directly to heaven, do not pass go, collect $200 anyway.
by Wan Ihite on Oct 24, 2011 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The only thing this needs is bacon. Lots of bacon.
by A thru Zou on Oct 24, 2011 5:34 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I don't understand why you would need anything other than the cheese and gravy
the fries just get in the way. Oh and they are freedom fries (are people still doing that?)
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
The fries are the perfect substrate to set off the cheesy gravy goodness
and nobody was doing that even then.
Though it would have been really funny if congress had started getting annoyed at other countries and doing the same thing: Would you like a freedom muffin sir? Perhaps a nice hot bowl of freedom and chips? Or we’ve got a very nice freedom pastry here, lovely and crumbly with the sticky icing, yes? Or we have freedom sausages (you have to add the italian/polish/german accent to indicate which).
I thought it was the funniest "protest" ever
because I’m pretty sure people in France have no idea what we are calling fries, that we would change the name or that they would care if they did.
I’m just saying that if you gave me a block of cheese and a vat of gravy, I would be find to dip and eat that without the fries interfering. I like to eat blocks of cheese like apples – just like the Summer of George.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
Actually the funniest part is that french fries really aren't french.
They’re Belgian which while it might be a lot like France in many ways, its not. I never understood why we just didn’t start calling them “Belgian Fries”. Still idiotic but at least it would have been accurate.
You'd be lynched
In the northern half of Belgium for saying they are “a lot like France”.
Admitted.
I should have been more precise and said that they share some common ancestry and history, instead I went the lazy American route.
On the food topic I remember reading an interview with a Belgian chef who was describing Belgian cuisine. He essentially described it as a lot like French cuisine using beer instead of wine and with portions large enough to keep an Austrian happy.
Trust me, I like the Belgians much more than the French and their love of beer is merely the tip of the iceberg.
so it sounds like Belgium is just a better version of France
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by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 24, 2011 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
We call them French Fries
for the same reason we call fried chicken, oyster sauce and cashews “Chinese Food”
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
no, see, because the cheese melts in the gravy, and then how do you pick it up? You could use a spoon, granted, but why not use a delicious crispy fry instead, for extra lipidy awesomeness.
And I’m pretty sure I can beat you in your love of cheese. It’s one of the greatest things ever EVAR.
I sincerely doubt your love of cheese beats mine
I have eaten several meals that are just eating blocks of cheese.
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There are more than a couple places in Seattle that have poutine
but Canada is awfully close so it makes sense.
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Oct 24, 2011 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I just love it when Gaknar or 2396 summarize a thread for someone. Good stuff.
What were the recipe highlights, though?
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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I have to say that Gaknar's above is amazing
I was trying to catch-up, found this one and then marked everything as read.
Easy rec Gaknar.
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And I think the answer to my question above is POUTINE.
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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I require more twitter rumors
and SOURCES immediately. Why aren’t we watching a door right now? I don’t like the lack of ‘information’ and guesses being tweeted right now. I demand rampant speculation immediately!
Houston has a BOC meeting scheduled, conference realignment on the agenda
per Houston Chronicle beat reporter on Twitter, this appears to be the next step to moving to the Big East, and probably isn’t directly connected to anything regarding Mizzou and the Big 12, but hey, it’s something…
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Several Canadian universities are now the targets of Big East expansion.
Manifest Destiny rule being applied. Wan upset, wields hockey stick angrily.
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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Hehe… nobody has told them that Canadians hold college sports in a place the place in their hearts that fits somewhere between dialogue-free art cinema, and watching someone else’s kid in the school play.
How do they prepare for the NHL or CFL?
Where do parents of the kids go to fight each other and threaten people in black and white striped uniforms?
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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Junior hockey followed by OHL / WHL / QMJHL, then minor league NHL affiliates. If you’re playing hockey (or any other sport) at a college in Canada you don’t have pro aspirations. Some of them go to play hockey in the NCAA, but that’s generally seen as slightly inferior to the OHL level, and you often need to play for a while against men before you’re ready for the NHL.
But basically on a pure spectator level people care about watching the NHL and that’s about it.
One of our own fans just made an idiot of himself on Twitter
by responding to a week old post as if it was made today.
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huh? must have missed the backstory on this one...
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Pete Thamel
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BREAKING: Missouri’s application to the SEC is “inevitable and imminent.” nyti.ms/pYNXem
17 Oct via TweetDeck
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@PeteThamelNYT that article is from a week ago… not exactly breaking
5 hours ago
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
wow, that's how I roll on these "live threads." I'm a fan Logan. If I ever twitter, I will try to stalk you, or whatever you do with those thingies.
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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 24, 2011 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
The B12
Are great at “discussing” things, and utter crap at doing anything.
The Big 12 would fit in great in Seattle.
In the words of Kurt Cobain, “Who needs actions when you got words.” The unofficial motto of Seattle.
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
I think that's the killer issue
Without a true conference network, there’s just no way that the conference as a whole can compete with other power conferences.
Glad to see that they want to keep Mizzou as a conference member.
Shall we now discuss the LHN, conference stability, a conference network that includes all schools equally and perhaps a quick discussion of sticking up for your member institutions when bowl selections take place?
MIGRATE TO THE EVENING "NOTHING HAPPENED TODAY" THREAD!!
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