Mizzou Links, 10-3-11
by Bill C. on Oct 3, 2011 5:48 AM CDT
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So we got through the weekend with word of "progress" being made in terms of the Big 12 and Mizzou's demands for change. We'll see what kind of impact that has on tomorrow's curators meeting. I like that Mizzou does seem to recognize that they're the only ones with leverage right now and are trying to use it. Last time they had leverage, Chip Brown Texas used the nuclear device known as "the threat of the Pac-16" to destroy them. This time around, that doesn't exist. We'll see what happens, I guess.
- KC Star (Campus Corner): Deaton confirms Big 12 talks today, MU curators Tuesday
- KC Star: Stability of Southeastern Conference beckons Mizzou
- Tulsa World: Rejection by Pac-12 a surprise to OU, OSU?
- KC Star (Campus Corner): A&M prez thinks Missouri will stay in Big 12
- Big East
Big East Coast Bias: Big East Leadership Meets, Approves Expansion, Considering Bylaw Changes
Rumble In The Garden: Big East Presidents discuss the future of the Big East
College Football Talk: Big East presidents vote unanimously to expand
KC Star (Campus Corner): Big East looks to make moves
Mizzou Football Links
So Aldon Smith makes an impact, and Justin Smith strips Jeremy Maclin late to preserve San Francisco's win over Philadelphia. Fun. Maclin is tied for seventh in the league in terms of receptions, but the Eagles are struggling ... much like the Jags, who have almost no weapons to place around Blaine Gabbert and, for one reason or another, don't give the ball to their best player (MJD) too often.
- The Trib (Dave Matter): Four-and-Out: Bye week, schmye week
- The Missourian: Reflecting on Missouri's play, looking ahead to Kansas State
- The Smiths
Sacramento Bee: 'Cold-blooded' performance by Smith, Smith and Smith - Gabbert
Jacksonville.com: Second-half blitzes take toll on Blaine Gabbert
Jacksonville.com: Jaguars' floundering offense doesn't stack up in loss to Saints
Jacksonville.com: Saints 23, Jaguars 10: Grading the Jaguars
Big Cat Country: Receivers and offensive gameplan to blame in 23-10 loss to Saints
Shutdown Corner: The yardage arrows are pointing the wrong way in Jacksonville - Recruiting
PowerMizzou: 2012 Football Hot Board: Offense
PowerMizzou: 2012 Football Hot Board: Defense
Other Football Links
Five thoughts on the weekend in Big 12 action...
1. Kudos to K-State for riding out the storm and sticking to the gameplan. Baylor was scoring every time they touched the ball for a while, but KSU kept grinding out yards and keeping it close, then found a couple of late defensive adjustments that stymied Robert Griffin III and company. Hopefully Mizzou was taking copious notes, both in terms of what KSU is going to do and what might work against Baylor in a few more weeks.
2. I still love Robert Griffin III. Not sure I've ever had a stronger emotional attachment to a Mizzou opponent before.
3. God, A&M. This is taking 1998 Mizzou's "lead every game at halftime before losing" trademark to a rather ridiculous level.
4. Oklahoma's Tony Jefferson finished three consecutive drives with interceptions on Saturday night. That's, uh, tough to do.
5. Wow, did Texas look good in the first half against Iowa State.
- Kansas State > Baylor
KC Star: Wildcats win by following the old fox Snyder
KC Star: For first time since 2007, K-State returns to the Top 25 - Texas > Iowa State
Austin American-Statesman: Longhorns roll past Iowa State
Austin American-Statesman: Horns look like their former selves
Austin American-Statesman: Horns vs. Cyclones: Five questions answered
College Football Talk: Iowa State CB Leonard Johnson carted off after helmet-to-helmet hit vs Texas - Texas Tech > Kansas
KC Star: Third quarter dooms KU again in 45-34 loss to Texas Tech
Double-T Nation: Texas Tech Red Raiders 45, Kansas Jayhawks 34 | Post Game Thoughts
Lawrence Journal-World: Slow start not a problem for Red Raiders
Lawrence Journal-World: Third quarter haunts Jayhawks once again - Arkansas > Texas A&M
SB Nation: Aggies Crumble Against SEC Team, 42-38 - Oklahoma > Ball State
Daily Oklahoman: No. 2 Oklahoma routs Ball State
Daily Oklahoman: OU looks ready to take on Texas after rout of Ball State
Daily Oklahoman: OU quarterback Landry Jones gets average marks despite big numbers
Blatant Homerism: Ridiculous and Sublime: Oklahoma 62, Ball State 6
Mizzou Basketball Links
- The Trib: Tiger transfers will spend season biding their time
Mizzou Soccer Links
- Mizzou 1, No. 17 Texas A&M 0
MUtigers.com: Mizzou Earns 1-0 Win over No. 17 Texas A&M
The Missourian: MU swimming team brings energy to crowd in Missouri win - Texas 2, Mizzou 1
MUtigers.com: Tigers Fall to Longhorns, 2-1
The Missourian: Missouri loses to Texas
KBIA Sports Extra: Mizzou soccer upended by Texas
Other Mizzou Links
So I'd say it was a mostly good weekend for Mizzou alums, huh?
- Scherzer
MUtigers.com: Former Tiger Max Scherzer Tops Yankees in ALDS
Detroit News: Max Scherzer's no-hit bid gives Tigers a lift
Big League Stew: Max Scherzer shows Tigers are not a one-man pitching staff
New York Daily News: Yankees vs. Tigers ALDS: Max Scherzer takes no-hitter into 6th
NorthJersey.com: Calm Max Scherzer becomes Tigers' road warrior - Askren
The Trib: Askren's fight now set for KC - Mizzou Softball
MUtigers.com: Pitching Strong in Tiger Sweep - Mizzou Baseball
MUtigers.com: Baseball Dominates Ontario, 22-2
The Missourian: Missouri baseball players make their debut as coaches in exhibition win - Mizzou Volleyball
The Missourian: Missouri freshman Jade Hayes bonds with senior mentor
Other
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If we are playing hard ball with the "leverage" we have, seems time is running out soon
IF this is a bluff. If it is (and as a pro Big 12 person, I hope it is), I hope it works and soon.
by McZou on Oct 3, 2011 6:17 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
It's a bluff
because Mizzou’s not staying. They are merely giving the impression of being willing to consider it. I’d watch TV tomorrow.
by SEC Supremacist on Oct 3, 2011 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Why bother bluffing if you know you're going to leave?
I mean seriously, either they don’t give in and you have delayed walking out for no reason, or they do give in, and then you promptly walk away from everything you won.
You have to look like you plan on staying until a vote is cast.
that way there’s no accusations of “hey, they were leaving no matter what”
by SEC Supremacist on Oct 3, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Why are they allowed to have Ontario's that aren't Ontario
It’s a province in Canada, and it doesn’t have an official baseball team.
I’m fine with North American places duplicating European place names, but how hard is it to come up with your own unique name within the continent. Bottom line, if you are want to call yourself “Ontario” and you aren’t 415 thousand square miles of East-Central Canada, go find a new string of alphanumerics for your sign posts. Period, end of discussion,.
(though if you just want to SOUND like “Ontario”, and you’re an NFL running back, then we can talk),
AND DON'T GET ME STARTED ON THE TOWN OF CALIFORNIA, MISSOURI...
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Cairo, or Lebanon, or Versailles, or Haiti, or...
That’s: KAY-roh, LEB uh nun, ver SAY uhls, HAY tie…
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
I'm from Troy, Missouri. The town founders were told the story of the mythical city of Troy
and decided to name their new village after that. Except the guy who came up with the idea was from Troy, NY, and embellished the story so they’d name it the same as his hometown.
Rational Mizzou Talk, whether you like us or not.
Buffalo is a football power
Ecokat, it's what's for dinner 10/8/11. Roll Tiger!
by Spider_Monkey on Oct 3, 2011 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
California Missouri
was supposedly named after a guy called California Wilson who gave out whiskey to get the town named after him.
maybe
it’s just a biography about an exceedingly mediocre cardinals shortstop/second baseman.
"I font think you read MU post." - ravings of a 5HE deprived man
nah, y
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by Andy--01 on Oct 3, 2011 8:25 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
that would be
Geronimo
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by Andy--01 on Oct 3, 2011 8:27 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Great
our leader is bargaining with the big twelve. i wonder how “I am Altering the Bargain” sounds with a texas accent. I wonder what building will house their garrison…..
Disingenuous negotiations dont turn out well for the weaker party folks. Get out while you can, and if KC has to go find a new basketball tournament then so be it.
KC could just try and take away the Missouri Valley Tournament...
It is a more central location for the league…I think…
There is a God and I'm not it, after that EVERYTHING is subjective. Be careful for what you wish for, you just might GET IT!
No way is that true
Indiana and Illinois form the core of the MVC. St. Louis is the perfect location for that tourney and that will not change.
Kansas City is the perfect location for the Big 12
and that didn’t stop the Big 12 tourney from moving South on several occasions.
by Professor Chaos on Oct 3, 2011 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
We don't care about bouncey sqeak ball.
You can have that tournament anywhere you like.
What I’d like to see is an SEC Championship game that alternates between ATL and STL
by SEC Supremacist on Oct 3, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
the good folks in lexington and nashville care about basketball a great deal. right?
"I font think you read MU post." - ravings of a 5HE deprived man
We just kinda forget that they exist.
Lexington’s not big enough to hold the tournament. Nashville can’t compare in size to STL and ATL.
by SEC Supremacist on Oct 3, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
i didn't mean have the tournament there.
let’s have that in new orleans. :-)
"I font think you read MU post." - ravings of a 5HE deprived man
by threadkiller on Oct 3, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
SEC tourneys..
Football’s always in Atlanta; started in Birmingham at Legion Field the first few years.
Men’s basketball’s typically rotates between Atlanta (tornado went through the MSU/Bama game in ‘08 at the GA Dome), Nashville, and New Orleans. It has been to Birmingham (last in ’92), Lexington (last in ’93), St. Pete (’09), Orlando (‘90), and Memphis (’97). Women’s tourney is much wilder with its locales.
Baseball’s always in Birmingham’s suburb of Hoover.
Youngest son (8) loves the Fanfare at the Georgia World Congress Center, next door to the GA Dome when the tourney’s here or for the football championship. Lots of swag & some games to keep visitors busy before they go out on the town, or before/after the game.
let's open up about what this is really about
KC is worried that Mizzou people will sample dreamland, Johnny rays, fat matt’s etc and stop bowing down to them….
by JC-Mizzou on Oct 3, 2011 9:58 AM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I hate you. I really freaking hate you.
Now I’m craving some Dreamland ribs and a Johnny Ray’s lemon pie and some Milo’s sweet tea to wash it down with.
/needstogobacksouth
by SEC Supremacist on Oct 3, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Have you tried the aforementioned places>
Arthur Bryant would cry in shame.
by SEC Supremacist on Oct 3, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I expected Nub links
but, oh yeah, they left…
anyways, holy crap Martinez can’t throw against a good defense. Sure, they can run real well, but wow, can’t throw at all.
What do you mean I can't retire at 32?
Looks like he has trouble holding onto the ball too eh. What’s he up to now 17 fumbles?
by B_W on Oct 3, 2011 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions
I wish there was more talk about Expansion on here.
/sarcasm
"You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain." - Harvey Dent
So we SHOULDN'T talk about it then?
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yeah, ignore it and maybe it will go away.....
"I font think you read MU post." - ravings of a 5HE deprived man
Sorry, my parents always told me Sarcasm was an inefficient form of communication
I was actually really hoping I had more to read. I am just biding my time until the end of Tuesday/Wednesday.
"You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain." - Harvey Dent
So, things will play out something like this:
Chuck Neinas speaks publicly today and says everything’s great, discussions were fruitful, nothing to see here but a lovefest.
Behind the scenes, we’re leveraging for handcuffing LHN’s content (HS & conference game prohibition) maybe even wanting it to pool in with the other shared resources. Bevo (depending on your perspective) either calls MU’s bluff or balks at it the way it did to the PAC, ACC, B1G, etc.
If we’re bluffing, Deaton goes to the curators tomorrow and talks them into agreeing on the devil’s deal: the bluff is called, our hand is a foot and stinks, and we go into servitude for the next 6 years and hope the MWC has a spot or the Big East doesn’t collapse.
If we have an ace, Deaton goes to the curators, convinces them to SECede from the Big 12 (or go B1G, but there’s no indication at all that’s even an option), he gets authority to act (or they approve the alleged tentative offer), MU gets approved at Wednesday’s SEC meeting, and Mike Slive goes to Shake’s and Harpo’s by Friday.
Sound about right?
by tigerdog9396 on Oct 3, 2011 7:05 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
While I would believe that this should be a fairly quick process, I suspect it won't be quite that quick.
On the fast track side we have the fact that it is doubtful that anyone wants this to be a long process. Conferences have to plan for the 2012 season and both confereces will want to get their houses in order depending upon what Mizzou does. That means the conference that is graced with the Tiger’s presence can work on scheduling while the other begins a search for expansion.
On the other hand, this isn’t a process to be entered into lightly and it is likely that there will be at least another round of negotiations before legal positioning begins. I suspect this won’t be an entirely fast process with people like Ken Starr involved.
It "could" be that quick, on one condition:
and that is there actually is a tentative offer on the table—the “golden parachute” for when the Big Xii broke up.
If it’s semi-negotiable—as in we can still take it if the Big Xii’s staying together and doesn’t think it needs us, which Neinas and others have said publicly, including the alleged threat to kick us out last year—then we’re off the hook, minus any penalty payments we have to make (also something that can be negotiated a la Colorado). And Texa$, in their arrogance, invites Rice to replace us since they think so little of us.
If they’ve been talking (“they” being MU & SEC) through all of this, both sides have an idea of where the other stands on things and it would act to expedite things.
The curators, on the other hand, put a brake on it simply because it’s not easy to get them all together quickly, plus the state law that requires 24 hour notice for a meeting. I don’t see them telling the chancellor to go to lawrence, ks, over his recommendations on this subject.
Deaton has extolled the virtue of patience throughout the whole aTm saga, Slive has as well to some extent, and the whole idea of “the SEC is willing to wait for MU” that’s been out there for a couple of weeks now.
If there’s no tentative offer, then it drags out some more—MU has to submit its application, the SEC presidents vote to accept it and extend an invitation to join, etc.—but how long that is is anyone’s guess.
I’m guessing by this afternoon, we’ll have a better idea of what’s about to happen or where things are headed. I wouldn’t put much credence in what Neinas says unless Deaton’s there with him having a Barney moment (I love you, you love me, etc.) together, or if he’s honest and says “things are really f’ed up and I can’t believe I agreed to be a part of this cluster-mess” but we all know that’s not gonna happen.
I’d watch whatever leaks spring out to/through the DeArmonds (Mike in particular, who seems to have worked his sources pretty good) and the Tribune or even the Missourian, plus sources in the Southeast and Alabama (especially the B’ham News) in particular.
Oh, and one more thing...
If Neinas says that Deaton is stepping down as president of the board of presidents, we know what happened (Bevo called the bluff) and what is about to happen (MU wasn’t bluffing and is exercising its option).
or Mizzou WAS bluffing
and is about to be publicly pantsed, OU style.
But let’s hope it doesn’t come to that.
btw, I look forward to when beat a ranked KSU this weekend
It is also the time when I cross my fingers for all undefeated and/or undeserving teams ranked above us, lose
by McZou on Oct 3, 2011 7:38 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
From your keyboard to God's ears.
Let’s go TIGERS!!
by tigers and chiefs fan on Oct 3, 2011 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Its really not that hard to figure (expans....) at this point.
Deaton knows (unofficially) if we have an SEC invite or not. He’s been on the phone with the rest of the BIGLeftovers trying to enact the changes that everyone (minus UT) wants to see. If UT believes he’s holding an invite, then its their decision to make regarding concessions to entice us to stay. If they think he’s bluffing, then they hold fast and wait us out.
I don’t feel as though I’m going out on a limb by saying the deadline for these decisions to get made is PROBABLY tomorrow morning. :)
The best thing would be if UT made a bunch of concessions (maybe not all that Deaton requested, but what they consider “enough”) which would then empower the Baylor-ku-KSU-ISU’s and then we left anyway. Ha.
Bet me!
Does anyone know if the Big 12 bylaws has a provision in it that provides for automatic dissolution
if membership falls below a certain level?
The reason I ask. Let’s say the number is below 6 teams (pure speculation). We think we have stability because of the handcuff deal, because if a team leaves, the conference has the tv rights. But, if the number was below 6, if OU, OSU, Texas and Tech all leave (and we don’t expand) there is no handcuff because the conference wouldn’t exist anymore.
There may be nothing in the bylaws or it may be if the conference goes less than 5 or 4 or something. Just wondering if anyone knows.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
Problem Though:
The contract is set currently for this year and until 2015 (if I remember correctly), and even if there were as you say a ‘dissolution clause’ schools like Baylor and ISU could sue, claiming lost revenues from the current deal, and in some instances may be able to claim future damages (especially if they don’t get into a BCS conference). My basic legal understanding (not a lawyer but a CJ major with a few law classes), is the members that dissolved would have pay the other schools that sued current and potential future damages. That could be a lot of money. I also think that if the conference dissolved Ken Starr would be way more likely to sue, I mean look at how eager he was when A&M left….
I'm not asking if someone could sue
I’m asking if the handcuff provision is actually handcuffs. Seems like Texas and OU would hold the keys to the handcuff. Just want to know what the bylaws provide if anyone knows.
I can tell you that as a general matter, dissolving members are not always required to pay for current and future damages. Would it happen in this case? Nobody could tell you right now what the landscape will be in 2 years, but the general rule that they have to pay is overstated in general law classes.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
Interesting Take:
You raise a good point, and now that makes me think that if I’m MU and I want to stay in the B12, I want it to at minimum to expand to 12 or 14.
That way, you can keep the cuffs on. If you only expand up to 10 and then the 4 leave the cuffs were no good, because your only left with 6. (depending on a dissolution clause).
I wonder what Texas thinks about expanding to 14? Did/Are they trying to get a dissolution clause? This is all interesting stuff.
Good questions. I don't know about the dissolution clause.
I remember reading about it in a comment a while back, but I have no idea if the person who authored the post (who I also don’t remember) actually knew about this clause or was just sort of talking.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
and you decide to stay, you hope that there either is not a clause or that the clause requires a huge number/percentage of teams to jump ship before it dissolves, just so that the ‘gang of 4’ don’t jump ship on you. Although it would never happen, I would love to own Texas TV rights and they not be in the conference.
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Yeah, not alot of information about it.
I had heard a week or so ago that OU and UT wanted it phased in over the next 6 years and that it will not go into effect immediately. Hopefully that’s not the case.
Still though, I think that is the lesser of the evils in what has to be worked out in this conference. In the long run its a good idea but its not what is creating all the animosity or the instability. I hope that Deaton doesn’t go for something that looks like a win on the surface and tries to justify staying due to a concession such as equal revenue sharing of tier 1 and 2 rights.
We need to push for automated bowl slots in relation to the Big 12 conference standings.
That the basketball tourney permanently stays in Kansas City if the football championship is to be played in Dallas.
That we expand to at least 12 teams and have a football conference championship game.
That the LHN at the very least cannot show any conference football games or air any high school content.
I’d like to see the conference explore the possiblility of pooling all their tier 3 rights with the exception of Texas of course, and see if there will be a television market for it.
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