Mizzou Links, 10-31-11

by Bill C. on Oct 31, 2011 5:30 AM CDT in News

Mizzou Basketball Links

One State, One Spirit
MUtigers.com: Tigers Win One State, One Spirit Classic
The Trib: A victory for Missouri
KC Star: Joplin turns to basketball for relief
Post-Dispatch: Mizzou brings ESPNU to game in Joplin
PowerMizzou: A win all around
The Missourian: One State, One Spirit Classic a unique event for Missouri basketball team
The Missourian: Sense of community defines One State, One Spirit Classic
ESPN.com: It's one State, one Spirit in Joplin

Mizzou Football Links

A&M
We Are Mizzou: Mizzou @ Texas A&M
NFL
NFL.com: Aldon Smith, Rookie sack leader
NFL.com: Blaine Gabbert's 5-yard TD pass
Mock Session: Gabbert Late Hit Gif
NFL.com: Ziggy Hood Almost Recovers Tom Brady's Fumble in the Endzone
NFL.com: Jeremy Maclin scores first

MIZZOUEXPANSIONAPALOOZA™ 2011

Is Today The Day?
KC Star: MU officials say they don't know of timeline for SEC move
Post-Dispatch: Mizzou's exit from Big 12 appears to be set
Post-Dispatch: Nixon mum about Mizzou move to SEC
Prep Work
Post-Dispatch: A Mizzou fan's guide to the SEC

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Normally I would not show kU any empathy

but man, they are in a pickle. Giving someone who is not meeting the expectations of his job 6 large to let him go? The AD may need to be looked at for giving that kind of deal.

What do you mean I can't retire at 32?

by Ausgiano on Oct 31, 2011 6:39 AM CDT reply actions

Supposedly...they have some serious money troubles there

I picked that up from somewhere else, and I dont have a comparison to another AD to know if what kU has done is standard practice or not, but evidently they have borrowed quite a bit of money and may struggle to come up with the cash to buy Gill out

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by The Beef on Oct 31, 2011 6:46 AM CDT up reply actions

Quite a fall for KU football

since that Orange Bowl victory.

by MU'97 on Oct 31, 2011 7:07 AM CDT up reply actions

Mangino wants to come back...

I bet he’d work cheap, make a public apology, etc.

by galactahack on Oct 31, 2011 7:10 AM CDT up reply actions

Not there.

And I am not sure the beakers could afford the buyout even if Gill;s replacement worked for free.

by MU'97 on Oct 31, 2011 7:23 AM CDT up reply actions

Karma

by Mac6uffin on Oct 31, 2011 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

I feel so sorry for them

Maybe they could borrow from the Williams fund? Or maybe they could ask for money back from Brady Morningstar’s dad?

by Gaknar on Oct 31, 2011 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions

I refuse to feel bad for them,

After all, don’t they technically make the second most revenue or something after basketball?

I swear I’ve seen a certain person post this up and down RMN in the past.

"...I'm not trying to act giddy but the guy is a stud.'' - Terry McDonough, Director of Player Personnel, Jacksonville Jaguars

by TmannZOU on Oct 31, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions

The school's not hurting for money

After A&M leaves, Kansas will have the second biggest endowment in the conference. And the athletic department brings in plenty of money, primarily thanks to basketball (as far back as I’ve seen numbers, we’ve been in the top 4).

Still, it sucks wasting money. Almost all of the $9M that KU gets from 3rd tier rights would have to be diverted this year to buying out a contract that never should have been offered.

by KSinDC on Oct 31, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions

Aren't they counting on the MU and aTm withdrawal penalties to get them back to square?

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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 31, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions

I think the expectataion is that the exit fees may cover most of the buyout of Turner Gill's contract

Of course, if Gill was as honorable as he claims to be, he might think about whether he can continue to accept the money for the remainder of the five year contract when he’s clearly not able to do the job he was hired to do.

by KSinDC on Oct 31, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions

I agree with you to a point.

But at the same time, if I’m Turner Gill I reconcile those feelings by reminding myself that kU offered a seven year (is that right?) contract to somebody who had one decent (not great) year at Buffalo. I also tell myself (or would hope my agent would tell me) that now that I’ve proven I can’t make it at a large D-I university that there probably won’t be too many schools throwing money my way when I’m let go by kansas. So I’ve got a feeling that there’s no way (honorable or not) that he’s going to give up anything that is due him.

I’m known as a bit of a dreamer!

by MizzouRah04 on Oct 31, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions

The contract was 5 years @ $2.1M per year

He made about $100K less than Pinkel last year.

I don’t fault him for signing it, but I don’t think he should hold himself out as a man of great principle if he keeps taking the money while driving the program into the ground.

by KSinDC on Oct 31, 2011 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions

KC News said they owe $58 Million

I have no context to know if that significantly different than other Big 12 schools or other schools around the country.

Their shady approach to things is not helping. They owe Perkins money. Numbers of staff were indicted for laundering ticket money and Kvisto, who the FB field is named after, supposedly was in financial and legal trouble as well. I have no idea if he is able to make good on the donation for the field and FB facilities.

ku loves Missouri as every parasite has to have a host.

by nwtiger1 on Oct 31, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions

The AD who gave him that deal (and presided over the ticket fencing scandal) was shown the door last year

Lew Perkins was a complete disaster for Kansas athletics. If not for Bill Self, we’d be in terrible shape.

The new guy (Sheahon Zenger) has a tough hill to climb to clean up the mess Perkins created.

by KSinDC on Oct 31, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions

Perkins did get you an Orange Bowl.......

by Royal Tiger on Oct 31, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions

Mmm hmm ....

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by MizzouRah04 on Oct 31, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions

The coach hired by the previous AD won an Orange Bowl while Perkins was AD

I’m not sure how that mean Perkins got us an Orange Bowl.

by KSinDC on Oct 31, 2011 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions

I believe they are hinting

that your Orange Bowl should have been ours (and from most reports, it was…until Perkins got involved).

by DC_Tiger on Oct 31, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Oh. I forget about that chip on MU fans' shoulders sometimes.

I have to say I generally agree with all of MU’s complaints about the Big 12, but I find this particular one to be completely vexing.

by KSinDC on Oct 31, 2011 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions

Hmmm...

we beat you head to head. Obviously you deserved it.

by DC_Tiger on Oct 31, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions

I'm not talking about the specifics of that year

Isn’t this a grudge built up over multiple years?

I’m talking about the whole idea that a conference should dictate to the bowls which teams they’ll take. I can’t think of another area of intercollegiate sports where it works that way. The Big 12 doesn’t tell the NCAA tournament or the NIT which teams to take. It doesn’t tell the Maui Invitational or the Guardians Classic which teams to take. It doesn’t tell it’s TV partners which games to televise. Why should it tell the bowls which teams to take?

by KSinDC on Oct 31, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions

Oh, gotcha.

I think that’s a fair argument on your part; I go back an forth on the bowl argument. I was just referring to the 07-08 Orange Bowl argument, and that I believe we deserved it, but Lew made his backroom pitch, and they picked you guys (which under the current setup, is totally their right to do).

by DC_Tiger on Oct 31, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions

What is Perkins supposed to have said in his backroom pitch?

I may have heard this story before, but I don’t remember it. What would Perkins be able to offer that the Orange Bowl would want?

by KSinDC on Oct 31, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions

Ticket sales guarantees

From what I recall.

All very hush hush and shady (not Lew, bowls in general).

by Mac6uffin on Oct 31, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions

I thought that was part of the standard agreement

Every bowl requires the participating school to buy a certain number of tickets. Lew promised to buy even more or something?

by KSinDC on Oct 31, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions

MizzouRah answered before I even finished asking.

Interesting information.

by KSinDC on Oct 31, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions

That was my understanding of what went on behind the scenes

and why they chose to not invite Mizzou.

I’m going to sound like I’m getting paid to promote this book if I keep up, but if you’re interested in the dirty dealings of the bowl system, Dan Weitzel’s book Death to the BCS is a really interesting read.

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by MizzouRah04 on Oct 31, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions

Oh, I'm fully convinced of the problems with the bowls

Which is one reason I think it’s odd to complain that the bowls (maybe the dirtiest part of college sports, or maybe second behind the shoe companies) aren’t doing things strictly on the basis of merit.

by KSinDC on Oct 31, 2011 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions

I'd say part of the reason is that it SEEMS to get thrown in our faces

by many (not all) kansas fans.

by Babbalynski on Oct 31, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions

I agree with you that the bowls aren't doing things based on merit.

But my point is that they should. Imagine … a postseason based on merit. What a novel concept, right? Well … there’s a conference to the southeast of here that gets as close as you can to that type of system, and much, much closer than the Big Equation does now.

I’m known as a bit of a dreamer!

by MizzouRah04 on Oct 31, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions

I'm not totally clear that conference order is the same as merit

That’s why I asked all of those questions below.

If you were proposing setting up playoff with a committee to select all the teams based on merit, I’d be all for it. I’m just not clear how that principle applies to this situation.

by KSinDC on Oct 31, 2011 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions

Let me ask a similar question

Should a conference dictate to its television partners which games go on tier one and tier two broadcasts each week, based on merit?

by KSinDC on Oct 31, 2011 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions

Now that I've read the wiki article, I don't see how you can say

there’s a conference to the southeast of here that gets as close as you can to that type of system, and much, much closer than the Big Equation does now.

They have a rule in place for one bowl but the trigger is so weak than it’s never been put into effect. This counts as “much, much closer”?

by KSinDC on Oct 31, 2011 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions

Teams can offer all kinds of things to bowls in order to get picked.

There have been cases in the past where teams have offered to take less of the reported payout … to guaranteeing a number of tickets (which I believe was the Perkins issue … he guaranteed more than the 17,500 that was required).

I’m known as a bit of a dreamer!

by MizzouRah04 on Oct 31, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions

The other are of intercollegiate athletics where it works that way

Is in other athletic conferences. Just as a hypothetical … say we were a member of ……. the SEC. In the SEC, your bowl is based on merit instead of heritage, or (in kU’s case in 2007) a guarantee of ticket sales. The only caveat is that there are a couple of the SEC’s bowls that can choose the team one spot below, but then the next bowl is obligated to take the team that was skipped.

That’s why this has factored into (at least the fans’) reasoning for wanting to switch conferences.

I’m known as a bit of a dreamer!

by MizzouRah04 on Oct 31, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions

So how does that work in the SEC?

How does it work with the divisons?

Let’s say the BCS Championship takes LSU. I’m sure the Sugar isn’t required to take the winner of East and can take Alabama. Then the next bowl can take the 3rd place team in the West or the winner of the East? If there was a tie atop the East, does it have to take the team in the SEC Championship game or can it take a team tied in the standings (ala KU-MU in 2007)? Can they factor overall records or is it just conference records?

I’m not trying to be a jerk about this. I don’t necessarily agree with the idea that conferences should dictate this, but setting that aside, I’m interested in how the SEC actually goes about this.

by KSinDC on Oct 31, 2011 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions

I don't remember all of the specifics, but I think it's mostly based on overall record of all teams within the conference.

There was an article listing out all of the SEC bowls a while back in one of our local papers (Tribune maybe ???). It was posted on here … does anybody remember this article and where to find it?

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by MizzouRah04 on Oct 31, 2011 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions

Wikipedia

Has a pretty comprehensive explanation, which I assume (famous last words) is accurate.

by MizKC on Oct 31, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions

oops

Link

by MizKC on Oct 31, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions

This strikes me as an incredibly minor difference.

The Capital One Bowl is the only non-BCS bowl that the conference places any restrictions upon, and, as a practical matter, the trigger for those restrictions (choosing the runner up as long as the runner up has at least two more wins than any other conference team) has never been satisfied. I’ll note that it would not have been satisfied by the KU-MU finish in 2007

None of the rest of the bowls are restricted by order of finish, unless the wikipedia article is omitting something.

by KSinDC on Oct 31, 2011 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions

I don't disagree

I am pro the SEC move, but i’ve never really understood the bowl gripe that some people have.

A&M still go to the cotton bowl last year over Mizzou if we are bth in the SEC (if we were both in the West).

by MizKC on Oct 31, 2011 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions

For those who think this is a meaningful difference

Has there ever been a year that MU would have been treated differently under the SEC rules than it was under the Big 12 rules?

by KSinDC on Oct 31, 2011 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions

all of 'em.

well, blimey.

by threadkiller on Oct 31, 2011 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions

I'm guessing you're not talking about bowl selection

by KSinDC on Oct 31, 2011 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions

I'm thinking

Missouri State, SEMO need to get ku on their football schedule in the next year or two!

by MIZZOUfaninAZ on Oct 31, 2011 7:11 AM CDT reply actions

The Maclin link actually points to Aldon's sack

by AlaTiger on Oct 31, 2011 7:22 AM CDT reply actions

(snort. giggle.)

/sixth grade humor

by MU'97 on Oct 31, 2011 7:23 AM CDT up reply actions 6 recs

Wow

I totally missed that until you pointed it out. And now I’m sitting at my desk trying to stifle laughter.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Oct 31, 2011 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions

/shakes head

by AlaTiger on Oct 31, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions

Should be fixed now.

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by Bill C. on Oct 31, 2011 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions

I went to Chick-fil-A for breakfast

and my change included a Missouri quarter. This means something, right? Please tell me we hear something definitive regarding Mizzouexpansionapalooza today. This has already consumed entirely too much of my time.

by cchstove on Oct 31, 2011 7:42 AM CDT reply actions

A Mizzou win, a Missouri quarter

You need to buy a Powerball ticket today.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Oct 31, 2011 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions

The rumbles were that there would be a PC this afternoon...

…but one would have hoped there would be an official announcement of such by now.

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by Bill C. on Oct 31, 2011 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions

I am certain that Chick-fil-A has crack as the main ingredient.

"The power of the force has stopped you, you hosers."

by drewder on Oct 31, 2011 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions

Aaron Scales has decommitted

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2011/oct/31/pf-scales-decommits-missouri/?tigerextra

The coach mentions “pending allegations”, but if I might put on my homer glasses for a second, I think Scales saw a recruiting class that is now one over the limit, where he was the 5th best big man committed.

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by Transmogrified Tiger on Oct 31, 2011 8:23 AM CDT reply actions

Plus he was a friend of Purvis'...

…so I think a lot of people started questioning whether he would stay aboard once Purvis committed elsewhere (and Coger decommitted).

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by Bill C. on Oct 31, 2011 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions

What a successful weekend!

Mizzou beat the best team ever assembled in aTm.

I managed to drunkenly urinate all over my dirty clothes hamper.

And, I am still married!

heres our costumes from this weekend.

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Okra and Brussel Sprouts will forever be my sworn enemy!

by BillSelfsToupee on Oct 31, 2011 8:41 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs

OMG

Do you do your own laundry?

BST – you are a hoot.

by tigers and chiefs fan on Oct 31, 2011 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions

about half the time i do

i had to do it all this weekend tho, the wife wasnt touching it.

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by BillSelfsToupee on Oct 31, 2011 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions

And understandably so.

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by Bill C. on Oct 31, 2011 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions

She is a very tolerant woman.

Good lord.

by tigers and chiefs fan on Oct 31, 2011 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

If half of what Toupee says is true

that woman is a saint

by AlaTiger on Oct 31, 2011 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs

greeened

#TakeTheCannonOnTheRoad
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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 31, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions

blasphemer!

she’s a known jayhawk. she’s a lucky person.

well, blimey.

by threadkiller on Oct 31, 2011 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

OMG that is SUCH a good point. They are a perfect match.

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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 31, 2011 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions

Toupee you are a man of your word, fun costumes.

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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 31, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions

So apparently Brady canceled said trip:

From Joe Walljasper

RT @xblandx: From Associated Press: #Mizzou Chancellor Brady Deaton cancels trip as #SEC looms.

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by muwxman on Oct 31, 2011 9:01 AM CDT reply actions

Huh...

Didn’t see that coming.

by cchstove on Oct 31, 2011 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions

Just FanShotted that...

And yes, FanShotted is now a word in the SBN era.

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by Bill C. on Oct 31, 2011 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions

so is #HamperUrination

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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 31, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions

I still prefer FanShat

by Logan Hill on Oct 31, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs

In case anyone doubts how bad Kansas is

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by hed64 on Oct 31, 2011 9:18 AM CDT reply actions 13 recs

Oh, that's a rec

by Gaknar on Oct 31, 2011 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions

With this being Baylor's homecoming this weekend ...

I wonder how much of that was arranged since they are really the school that invented homecoming.

I’m known as a bit of a dreamer!

by MizzouRah04 on Oct 31, 2011 11:01 AM CDT reply actions

think they'll be bitter with us taking their homecoming tradition to the SEC?

/ducks beer bottle to the head

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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 31, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions

I have never seen someone so pissed off about winning a fight as Askren.

"The power of the force has stopped you, you hosers."

by drewder on Oct 31, 2011 11:11 AM CDT reply actions

For all you Cardinals fans out there.

LaRussa is retiring.

"The power of the force has stopped you, you hosers."

by drewder on Oct 31, 2011 11:16 AM CDT reply actions

I saw that over at the Mothership.

The question is: Does this mean that Oquendo gets the nod?

I admit, a very long-shot but a lot of older Cardinals fans would be rather pleased by such a move.

by GreenRipper on Oct 31, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions

I'm actually pretty high on the current Springfield Cardinals manager, Pop Warner.

He’s worked with all the younger Cardinals, and all those guys really really like him. Plus he’s had a pretty good run of success as a minor league manager. He may just need a few years as a bench coach or something like that at the Major League level.

I also wouldn’t be upset with Francona or trying to lure Maddon out of Tampa. I also likke Gardenhire in Minnesota, but I doubt the Twins would let him get away.

I think we'll reconcile it by winning!
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by Jack618 on Oct 31, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions