MIZZOUEXPANSIONAPALOOZA™ 2011: Mizzou Makes Its Move
It's pretty funny how we've gotten used to interpreting vague, realignment-related language. Yesterday, Missouri's curators announced, basically, that they might stay in the Big 12, but that they are weighing other options. We almost unanimously interpreted that as "MIZZOU TO THE SEC!!!" We understand the process by now -- Missouri will "explore options," the SEC might announce that they are "happy with 13," yadda yadda yadda, Missouri probably ends up in the SEC.
There are still landmines to avoid -- and lord knows landmine avoidance has not historically been a Mizzou strength -- but odds are pretty good that for just the second time in 100 years, Missouri is about to leave a conference. And unlike last time, when MU was flanked by Nebraska, Oklahoma, Iowa State, Kansas and Kansas State in leaving Washington U., Grinnell, and others in the Missouri Valley to form the Big 6, this time Mizzou will be going it (mostly) alone. Only Texas A&M is leaving with them, and that almost doesn't count -- the Aggies have already left.
We'll get to the nitty gritty at a future date (like, when this becomes official), but here's what we know right now: Mizzou's higher-ups felt they were still dealing with an uneven playing field in an unstable conference, and they are probably about to choose stability over history. Obviously most of us at Rock M are fine with the idea at this point, while Seth C and others from conference rivals know that their school would do the same thing; in this way, we have lucked out in terms of geography the same way that Texas has (only, on a much, much smaller scale). Mizzou unexpectedly found some leverage, and they are evidently using it to better their lot in life.
Still, I'm not sure we're all comprehending the amount of change that will be included in this move. It'll be great for Rock M Nation, of course -- I'll have 12 "Get to know your new conference rival" pieces to write, we might get lucky enough to get a new series of BKAO's, and you know I've got a "What If Missouri had been in the SEC all along?" history post to write. Still, Missouri has announced that it is intending to leave a set of hundred-year rivals (Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State and Oklahoma), and with college sports drenched in history, tradition and rivalry, this is a really big deal. We can make the assumption that the KU rivalry will continue, but it is not a 100% certainty. We can treat all of this with a "SCREW YOU, SUCKERS!!!" vibe if we want, but it truly is a big deal and would be a tough move to make.
But that's enough for now. Enjoy some links!
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SB Nation: Conference Realignment: Why Is Missouri A Target For SEC Expansion?
Team Speed Kills: Team Speed Kills Live Podcast with ... me! - The News
The Trib: Missouri will explore conference options
The Missourian: Curators give Deaton power to explore SEC, other conference options
Post-Dispatch: Mizzou looks at leaving Big 12
KC Star: Curators tell Missouri to look beyond the Big 12
PowerMizzou: Missouri will explore its options
PowerMizzou: PMTV-HD: Looking Around - The Local Reactions
The Missourian: SEC move would bring significant change for many MU sports
Post-Dispatch: Big 12 searching for stability
PowerMizzou: Powered Up: Not Long for the Big 12
SimmonsField.com: Conference Hokey-Pokey™: What About Kansas? (re-post) - Links From Big 12 Country
KC Star: Kansas State A.D. laments Missouri's possible departure from Big 12
Bring On The Cats: Missouri Will Explore All Options for Conference Affiliation
Orangebloods: Missouri curators give chancellor authority to look around
Lawrence Journal-World: Missouri curators authorize Brady Deaton to explore MU's options - Links From SEC Country
Clay Travis: Missouri Fans Triump in SEC Campaign
EDSBS: EDSBS LIVE!
Team Speed Kills: BREAKING: Missouri Board of Curators Delegates Conference Realignment Authority To Chancellor
Roll Bama Roll: Missouri opens door to leave Big XII
Rocky Top Talk: A Proposal for New SEC Divisions
A Sea Of Blue: New Moves By Missouri To Become The 14th SEC Member
Kegs 'n Eggs: EXCLUSIVE: - Links From Elsewhere
Pre-Snap Read: Missouri Takes a Bold Step to the SEC
SI.com (Andy Staples): Big 12 should allow Missouri to join SEC, help college football realignment reach its natural end
Dr. Saturday: Missouri takes its first (official) step to leaving the Big 12 behind
College Football Talk: Mizzou gives chancellor power to explore conference affiliation
The Nova Blog: Missouri To Explore Their Options, Big East In Trouble Again?
ESPN.com: VIDEO: Andy Katz on Mizzou exploring its options
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Still, Missouri has announced that it is intending to leave a set of hundred-year rivals (Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State and Oklahoma), and with college sports drenched in history, tradition and rivalry, this is a really big deal.
well said. i don’t think many people can see between their “screw texas” glasses to realize that we are about to leave a certain set of opponents we’ve been playing for a long, long time. i know i’ll miss the bi-annual basketball game with kansas and the annual trips down south to play football against oklahoma, okie state, and yes, even texas. hell, i’ll even miss iowa state.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 5, 2011 9:15 AM CDT reply actions
didn't we only go down to Texas 3 or 4 times?
I’m just trying to figure it out with math and not the schedules. Big 12 has been there for 15 years (96), we play texas at Texas once every 4 years. So 3 or 4 times right?
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
it wasn't a loaded observation
I was just trying to figure it out. I went once, and was wondering why I didn’t make the trip more often and then it got me thinking that their really weren’t a lot of opportunites.
I’m excited to make trips to Oxford, Gainsville, Tuscaloosa, Baton Rouge, etc. It will also be pretty cool to catch a basketball game in Lexington.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
Yeah, for me personally, it will work out better.
I live in Memphis now, so Oxford would be just about 1.5 hours.
by u2nspenserfan on Oct 5, 2011 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm in Springfield area so Fayetteville is just a skip a way
Love to see the tigers play football against the Hogs.
"The power of the force has stopped you, you hosers."
i agree. but i'll still miss those trips down to texas (for all of the texas teams).
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 5, 2011 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I never went to Baylor or Tech.
Were those fun towns?
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
96-97, 00-01, 04-05, 08-09, 8 total times playing them, we would have (obviously) gone down there 4 times.
Rational Mizzou Talk, whether you like us or not.
thanks for looking that up for me, 4 times for them
what about Tech and A&M, same number?
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
There are 3 schools that would have had one less game played (2010)
OU, Tech and A&M… So, OU would be one additional home game, A&M and Tech would be additional road games.
94-95 was Big 8
96-97 was Texas, Baylor and OSU (Cycle A)
98-99 was OU, TT and A&M (Cycle B)
00-01 A
02-03 B
04-05 A
06-07 B
08-09 A
2010 B
Rational Mizzou Talk, whether you like us or not.
by Andy--01 on Oct 5, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
cool, thanks.
I like the idea of asking a question and getting a substantive response.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
Honestly, if we move, I'll miss some of that too.
The Texas schools for me… I could take ‘em or leave ’em. What I’ll miss are the Big 8 schools, all the history and rivalries there. Nebraska and Colorado are gone already though, and with it being as unstable as it is, we have to do what’s best.
by u2nspenserfan on Oct 5, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
There is still a small, sentimental part of me
That is hoping that in an amazing example of deus ex machina, the Big 10 swoops in and scoops up the rest of the Big 12 North to go to an even 16. We go to a stable conference with equal revenue sharing and its own network, and what would be the first 16-team superconference. We get to keep all of our traditional rivalries, and we get back our rivalry with Nebraska. We also get new natural conference rivalries in Illinois and Iowa.
It won’t happen, but until this is all settled, I can dream.
by Damnatio Memoriae on Oct 5, 2011 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
god that would be so sweet.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 5, 2011 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I couldn't care less about playing any of them other than Kansas
Oklahoma, Texas, Okie State……..immediately replaced in value to me by the SEC powers.
Not afraid to nitpick
i will miss a couple/few hours drive to games
Since I work pretty much 7 days a week and the novelty of traveling to distant in-conference games to new towns will wear off, the convenience will be missed, not to mention the cost.
by McZou on Oct 5, 2011 3:44 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
is Arkansas the hated conference rival now?
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
If so, I'll have to stop rooting for them.
They’re kind of my #2 college team… I have a bunch of friends in the Fayetteville area.
That would mean that we’d get to face XCMA twice a year though. (note the proper use of italics, 2396 :-)
by u2nspenserfan on Oct 5, 2011 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions
It'll be interesting to see the crowd reaction when he walks into Mizzou Arena.
If we have a good team going, it may not be too horrible for him (though the Antlers will get him pretty bad), but if we are struggling, oh man it could be bad.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
it's going to be bad either way.
really, really bad.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 5, 2011 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh yes
I don’t even think there’s any real comparison. It’ll be KU game level of intensity directed at one person.
by Transmogrified Tiger on Oct 5, 2011 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions
it will be bad, but i wish it wouldn't be
i still have much affection left for CMA for what he’s done for us.
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
I really don't have any affection for him.
Respect? Yes. I believe he took the Mizzou job as a job… all the promises and such are just coachspeak. It didn’t hurt my feelings any when he left, I just was upset that it cost us Otto Porter IMO.
Coaches like Pinkel who stick around and don’t constantly ask for raises are so few and far between – we’re lucky to have him.
by u2nspenserfan on Oct 5, 2011 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
Completely agreed on GP.
I could be wrong on my recollections, but didn’t GA and OR come calling? Maybe I am a bit naive in believing that CMA wasn’t privately playing the match the offer game. Didn’t GA and OR both offer more than what CMA earned? I know the whole exit was happened bad.
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
I believe Michigan inquired before they hired RichRod.
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
yup. my mistake.
READING might have helped me there.
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
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Washington came after Pinkel and he almost walked since it was his home school. Michigan inquired about Pinkel and he had scheduled an interview, but later called it off.
Georgia came after CMA, he got a raise to stay. Oregon came after CMA and I think he got another raise. Pretty much everyone knew that the Arkansas job was coming open, so no one should have been surprised when he walked.
I may be in the minority, but I will cheer for him
-He was as successful as any other MU coach (elite 8).
-He took a job that nobody else wanted and got us back on track.
-He won the right way recruiting high quality kids
-He never got us in NCAA trouble
-He took his dream job to return home
I don't think anyone has a problem with those things you mention.
The problem lies with the way he led us around by the nose before taking the dream job. I doubt that anyone can say the honestly believe that he would choose MU over Arkansas in the end, but we all hoped he would do it with the same class he had when he did all the good things.
"The power of the force has stopped you, you hosers."
especially since every year he was successful he spent the offseason flirting with other schools
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
It's sad that all the goodwill built up over time was destroyed in one exit,
seemingly in a matter of hours.
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
Oh god yes...
…I don’t think it’s going to take much for Mizzou fans to throw themselves whole-heartedly into that rivalry. Hell, a lot of us wanted to in the pre-game before the 2008 Cotton Bowl.
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As far as dislike goes.
We had plenty of that for them in basketball back in Norm’s day and with xcma I’m sure that would only add fuel to the fire.
"The power of the force has stopped you, you hosers."
I grew up an Arkansas fan and live in Northwest Arkansas.
But I went to Mizzou for college. I’ve watched every Mizzou and every Hogs game this year. I will never not be a Hogs fan, but will always want Mizzou to win in a head to head matchup. It would make for some fun watch parties amongst friends. The rivalry is natural, but I will never be able to dislike Hogs fans or the team the way it hate kU.
by A thru Zou on Oct 5, 2011 9:54 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
What are the odds Mizzou stays?
I’ll put it at 10%. Not great odds, but not a total surprise. There are still plenty of ways that could happen.
Personally, I don’t want to leave the Big 12. However, I realize that certain conditions have to change for Mizzou to believe in the conference again; and Texa$$ and OU don’t seem to want to make them happen.
I don't want to leave, either
But I think it is clear that OU and UT are only staying for now because they can’t get out. They see 6 years as the shortest timeframe they can see to the next exit opportunity- if they thought they could sucker in the better expansion candidates with a shorter timeframe, I bet they would be asking for a 2-4 year set of ‘golden handcuffs.’
I can’t believe UT is going to slum it in what will be a very much diminished conference any longer than they absolutely have to. OU knows it and is looking out for themselves (reasonably).
I hate giving up the rivalries, what it will do to KC, and think there will be more ‘dislocation’ issues than people realize, but you have to make the SEC move if it is there. The stable, fat revenue source will be nearly impossible to pass up. And I think the instability of the B12 is likely already impacting recruiting.
you're just trying to get your beer early.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
You just don't want to owe 2396 10 beers.
by smbz5b on Oct 5, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
or mention him on twitter
twitter handle: @asstastic_o1
just because im over 300 pounds doesnt meant I dont have a great ass.
by BillSelfsToupee on Oct 5, 2011 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Sorry, but i don't have a tweeter
otherwise i’d drop you a rec or something.
by SEC Supremacist on Oct 5, 2011 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope you're right
But you’re obviously new to this “Mizzou is guaranteed [something]!” thing
Not afraid to nitpick
Yikes
Alabama fans doing a good job on that blog of living up to the hick, hill billy southerner stereotype.
They is not happy, y’all.
in fairness
They are Bammers. They still worship at the idol of the bear.
by SEC Supremacist on Oct 5, 2011 10:31 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I live among them
The sanity level is lacking among a large portion of them. View them as the Nebraska of the South.
I tend to gravitate towards Auburn because their fans seem a bit more sane.
I lived in T-town for 5 years
I learned to love me some war damn eagle, just to piss the bammers off.
I am the racoon that has been living in your attic for a week
by Mizzoufarmer on Oct 5, 2011 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I was talking about this at my local high school football game Friday night
The folks around me were very receptive to Mizzou and thought it was a good fit.
They were more than a little testy when I mentioned the Cards beating the Braves out for the wild card slot, though.
Ivan Maisel- It comes down to Mizzou forsaking tradition and loyalty, to flirt with the SEC, a league in which the Tigers are not equipped to compete. Knock yourself out.
Is it just me or is anyone else tired of hearing this phrase already?
Heck, did he blast Texas and OU for forsaking tradition and loyalty
two weeks ago?
Maisel is going for the Full Wolken.
Exactly... and how about Colorado and Nebraska before that? How about 'Cuse and Pitt? Are they 'forsaking' it too?
If he wants to say he’s got some concerns with how well Mizzou can compete in the SEC and lay those concerns out logically, I’ll listen. This argument that we’re somehow betraying everyone by making sure our school is in the best position possible is complete crap, usually espoused by people who are uncomfortable with non-traditional-power schools making their own decisions.
by u2nspenserfan on Oct 5, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
So Mizzou ISN'T betraying 100-year ties to KU, KSU, and ISU?
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
ksu, isu yes. the beakers? no
KU hold the cards on whether the rivalry stays active. And given the level of rage + smug + posturing coming from Lawrence, it sounds like they are going to break the ties, not mizzou.
Mizzou-Nebraska at Arrowhead anyone? KC metro needs backfill revenue!
by JC-Mizzou on Oct 5, 2011 10:18 AM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I feel like both schools will be at fault
It’s not their fault we would want to move the game to OOC, and it’s not our fault that they would be unwilling to do so.
The "ties" would not be broken if Mizzou didn't go to the SEC.
I hate defending the Beakers (a shower will be necessary after posting this), but the blame for the lost rivalry will be squarely in Columbia, and nowhere else. Why should KU bend over backwards to help you guys out in your attempts to leave your conference rivals behind?
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
I don't care who the people of kansas decide to blame personally
I know that Mizzou fans won’t blame themselves, and I know kansas people will blame Mizzou. I’m not going to lose any sleep over it.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
How does it "help" us?
It’s a game people on all sides would like to see, fans, alumni, players. That’s why it should and will happen.
But if didn’t, it’s hardly a body blow to the program is it?
i think i'm one of two here
that says good riddance to kansas. i’ll miss the rest of you guys if we go (we won’t), though. even ou. but not texas, obviously.
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by threadkiller on Oct 5, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
i'm not sure, it came up last week.
he lives somewhere around me (sw mo).
"I font think you read MU post." - ravings of a 5HE deprived man
by threadkiller on Oct 5, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
you southwestern people are all messed up
I should know, I grew up there.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
around what town?
"I font think you read MU post." - ravings of a 5HE deprived man
by threadkiller on Oct 5, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
It's me.
I feel I must disclose that I’m a chick, though.
by IHatedHarpos on Oct 5, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
given mine and 2396's posts below, that's perfect. ;-)
"I font think you read MU post." - ravings of a 5HE deprived man
by threadkiller on Oct 5, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
4!!
"I font think you read MU post." - ravings of a 5HE deprived man
by threadkiller on Oct 5, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I am another.
I am fine with bouncing ku. KSU and ISU I will miss. I enjoyed going to those towns for games and interacting with fans. Good people.
My handle is accurate BTW. I am from NW MO.
ku loves Missouri as every parasite has to have a host.
you make 3, then. there was another.....
"I font think you read MU post." - ravings of a 5HE deprived man
by threadkiller on Oct 5, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
skkkkyyyyy....wal........kerrrrrrrrr
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
by mizzou2396 on Oct 5, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
so that is how it works
Someone call georgia, south Carolina, Florida, florida state, Clemson, Georgia tech and tell them to cancel their series because it is costing them money as they bend over backwards to help their rivals out.
by JC-Mizzou on Oct 5, 2011 10:55 AM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Those schools didn't intentionally leave their "rival" behind.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Nonsense.
Missouri was going to be 3rd in the food chain in the reconstituted Big 12. They’ll be 14th in the SEC. And they were always going to have a landing spot, whether now or 6 years from now.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
What do you mean by food chani?
Revenue, or competitiveness. I have answers to both, but want to know what we’re arguing here…
Even under your logic, we are still coming out ahead.
14th in the SEC > 3rd in the Big 12 currently.
I would argue that any position in the SEC, B1G or PAC 12 is ahead of every Big 12 school that isn’t TX or OU right now.
by N8 on Oct 5, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
You haven't really made much sense here
Is the implication that Mizzou would put a stop to the rivalry, or that KU would? If it’s the former, I have little to no idea why you’d think that. If it’s the latter, then Mizzou’s not the one acting in bad faith, are they?
by Transmogrified Tiger on Oct 5, 2011 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
I think that, because Mizzou's the one leaving.
KU/Mizzou wouldn’t be going anywhere if they weren’t.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
You think what?
Which school would stop pursuing the rivalry? I’m saying that I really don’t think Mizzou would, and if KU would, then that’s really them “betraying” the rivalry.
by Transmogrified Tiger on Oct 5, 2011 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Mizzou will be ending it by leaving the conference.
If they don’t leave the conference, the rivalry doesn’t end.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
So all those rivalries listed above aren't real?
UF/FSU, USC/Clemson, UGA/GT, etc?
No, the only way the rivalry ends is if one or both of the schools decides to not pursue it any longer. I’m saying that Mizzou is not at all likely to walk away from the rivalry, and if KU makes that decision, then they’re the ones walking away. You’re just talking yourself in a circle and not actually saying anything.
by Transmogrified Tiger on Oct 5, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I think this line of argument is only convincing to Missouri fans
But you seem to be pretty thoroughly convinced of it, so I guess there’s no use debating.
Bill Self’s comments made it pretty clear that if Mizzou leaves the conference, the series will end. Obviously, if you stay , it will continue. If that’s an acceptable condition of leaving the conference, then that’s fine. But it’s odd to pretend that that blame for the series ending would lie elsewhere.
This is silly.
Leaving the conference gurantees that the rivalry ends as a functino of conferenc eplay. Whether or not it continues as anon-conference rivalry is u pto the schools. One can say that KU is not obligated to schedule it as a non-conference rivalry, but that’s far for saying that MU is choosing to end the rivalry altogether.
You're the one unable to process a rivalry that exists outside a conference
There’s abundant examples that this is the case. In the sense that “KU may take their ball and go home if they aren’t obligated to play Mizzou”, sure I suppose that’s on Mizzou if they choose to switch conferences. But that would be such an illogical and backward approach to things that it’s not really an argument at all.
by Transmogrified Tiger on Oct 5, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not unable to process it
You’ve got two examples from 1961 and 1971 of rivalries continuing after one team leaves a conference.
MU and Illinois ended their football rivalry last year, and, in general, we’re moving toward more conference games in the football schedule. At least at the moment, the conference has moved to more games on the basketball schedule.
If there’s a way to make it work that benefits both teams, then we should do that, but you’re asking KU to clear out an existing OOC game in order to make space for Missouri. That hasn’t been necessary for 100 years, and it wouldn’t be necessary next year if Missouri was staying. There’s good stuff and bad stuff about chaning conferences. I don’t see why some fans are only willing to see the good things.
Well, I have been quite the cheerleader for the SEC....
Illinois ended that “rivalry” that had been played annually for all of 5 years.
All of the considerations KU would have to make Mizzou would have to make as well. If Mizzou is willing to make them and KU is not….
by Transmogrified Tiger on Oct 5, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
It's pretty clear that you guys really believe what you're saying
And the Texas fans really believe that they’ve done nothing wrong.
I think the outside world sees both situations differently, but there’s no use going around in circles about it.
And yet you keep attempting to evangelize, day after day
and thread after thread
by Transmogrified Tiger on Oct 5, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Interesting use of evangelism
Yesterday, I was trying to illustrate how continuing the game might not be in Kansas’ financial interest, and I got lots of assurances that the game would continue.
Today, Bill Self has weighed in making similar points, so I think there’s a bit more acceptance that the rivalry might not continue, but still a lot of denial.
I’d like to see the rivalry continue, and I think that’s only likely to happen in conference. For fans close to the margin, understanding the effect on the rivalry might change their opinion on leaving the conference, and that’s why I’ve posted here.
I think in my entire time on RMN, I’ve posted on maybe four threads though. It seems you may be confusing me with someone else.
The repeated point
was that the rivalry would not stop from Mizzou’s end. You’re repeating that Mizzou moving changes the situation, and that might not be as easy. No one denies that. Where it comes down to is that you want to pin Mizzou for making it (very) marginally less convenient for the rivalry to continue. Like someone said earlier, if KU would rather let the rivalry die over a few thousand dollars so they can play UMKC at the appropriate venue, then who’s more at fault? The school that will only play the game when it’s contractually obligated and/or allows every other duck to be in a row, or the school that leaves the conference but still wants to play the game despite similar inconveniences?
by Transmogrified Tiger on Oct 5, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I understand what you're saying
I just don’t think anyone outside Missouri will find it convincing.
And I acknowledge I’m biased.
There are people INSIDE Missouri that don't find it convincing either.
I have some seriously pissed off relatives, who think this is the worst move ever for Mizzou.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Well, you're hanging KU out to dry, so why should they help you by continuing the rivalry?
Same as with aTm. They left the conference, and then were upset when Texas didn’t want to continue the rivalry.
Nobody is saying you have to stay in the conference if you don’t think that is in your best interest, but why do we have to be nice to you when you’ve just thumbed your nose at us?
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 5, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
They don't have to
They just can’t make these “Mizzou’s betraying their rivals” claims if they’re the ones refusing to continue the rivalry as long as it meets some very narrow parameters.
by Transmogrified Tiger on Oct 5, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
That doesn't mean Missouri doesn't share some blame.
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 5, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Sure
I don’t think anyone’s implying that this is a black and white concept. But Mizzou’s part is a decision that is based on the entire direction of their athletic department, and by extension, has a notable impact on the whole university. In this case, Kansas’ decision is because they’re worried about a fraction of a percent of their athletic budget, or worse, they refuse out of spite. I’ll leave that up to the individual how to weight those.
by Transmogrified Tiger on Oct 5, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Who's saying that?
Missouri’s choice comes with consequences, one of which is the possible end of the Border War. But if Mizzou is willing to continue the rivalry, then it becomes Kansas’ choice which itself comes with consequences.
Alright, I can agree to that viewpoint
wasn’t getting that vibe from the KSB conversation, but I understand how things can get heated with him.
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 5, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
.
If KU crunches the numbers and decides that it’s not worth it to continue the rivalry, so be it. No one is at fault. But if Kansas ends it simply out of butthurt, well, at best the blame is shared.
How is that different than Mizzou leaving the conference out of "butthurt"?
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
I wasn't aware
that legitimate grievances over the management of the conference could be termed butthurt.
Analogy time:
I moved away from Columbia after I graduated. I still have friends there. If I attempt to keep in touch with them and they don’t reciprocate, who is responsible for the friendship ending?
Did you also start a company,
of which you were a part for 100 years or so?
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Friends I've had most of my life count?
Since I’m well short of 100.
I know friendships (all interpersonal relationships for that matter) are different for everyone, but if you can’t go out of your way for someone, it’s fairly safe to say the relationship really doesn’t mean much to you. Mizzou would also have to drop an OOC game in order to play KU. If this is the major driving inconvenience, then KU is absolutely responsible. However, from the MU side, the major driving factor appears to be Mizzou leaving the Big 12. Do you understand how that just looks petty?
But Mizzou leaving for the SEC is different
than you leaving Columbia for a job. You can make the Big 12 work, and by choosing not to, you have actually hurt your friends in the process. You don’t actually hurt your friends by just moving somewhere for a job.
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 5, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
It is far from clear
that us staying would make the Big XII work, as more than a band aid. Missouri leaving is a symptom of this conference’s problems, not a cause.
Nobody is happy to be leaving KSU and ISU. Most of us are not happy to be leaving KU.
odd?
Three examples of out of conference rivalries have been produced. And they are pretty fierce rivalries too. But given that playing UMKC is more important to KU than continuing a rivalry game, perhaps this rivalry isn’t as fierce as some would believe.
Let’s find a new rival.
by JC-Mizzou on Oct 5, 2011 11:26 AM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Let's say that you and I are co-workers
we get paid well, and we like the rest of the people we work with – hell, we all went through training together 15 years ago. We’re close, we hang out on weekends.
Except, a new boss comes in, and he’s abusive. He overworks us, he insults us, and he makes it clear that he doesn’t care if we’re part of the company or not, in fact, he flat out tells us that the company wouldn’t miss a beat if we all quit tomorrow.
If I find a new job, and invite you over for drinks and BBQs just like I always did, and we don’t hang out anymore, who’s fault is it? Did I abandon you, or did you just not care that much about our friendship?
Rational Mizzou Talk, whether you like us or not.
by Andy--01 on Oct 5, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No?
We all are speaking in hypotheticals afterall, but if Missouri does so happen to leave to any conference, and finds it in their best interest to continue the rivarly as OOC and kU declines against continuting it in that way…. how is that MU’s fault?
Why should KU feel obligated to do this,
when Mizzou just screwed them over?
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Never mind.
If you can’t see that, then we’ve got nothing more to talk about. Also, it’s cute how you don’t capitalize the “k” in KU. Reminds me of how Tamu refuses to capitalize “Texas.”
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
my, you must really be hungry.
"I font think you read MU post." - ravings of a 5HE deprived man
by threadkiller on Oct 5, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
the Big 12 will survive
kU still has a conference. I generally hear their fans say that the basketball game is just another game for them and means more to us than them. Now we are leaving and it’s screwing them over? Give me a break.
Stop sticking up for your big brother so much, he’ll be fine.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
Not "sticking up" for KU.
Just pointing out that it’s stupid for Mizzou fans to claim it’s KU’s fault that the rivalry might well go away.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
I haven't claimed it's kU's fault
I just pointed out we’re not “screwing them” which you took exception to.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
It can't hurt them too much can it?
If they can decide to not schedule non-con games just like that.
Or is wounded pride that we leaving them with? Sell outs to the LHN, no levereage, no options, no football…
Idk, maybe..
since this is all about “tradition” and such anyway and nothing else it would be the right thing to do on their part.
You can repeat this over and over, but it doesn't make it true.
The one unquestionable fact of the matter is this: if Mizzou doesn’t leave the Big 12, the rivalry doesn’t end.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Since you won't respond below:
How does the rivalry ending equal some terrible betrayal? If you’re a solvent university with competent leadership, you can fend for yourself and make the choices that best benefit your school. If you’re not, that’s not Mizzou’s problem.
We don’t owe any other school anything, and they don’t owe us anything. If the Big 12 were intact in it’s original state and we were bolting for a few dollars a year, I might understand this sentiment, but we’re already down to 9 with a bully on the block in Austin who wants everyone to play by their rules. We have to decide what’s best for our school… just as every school should.
by u2nspenserfan on Oct 5, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't begrudge Mizzou leaving
I begrudge them leaving and saying the rivalry ending is KU’s fault.
I'm not sure I understand where you're getting that.
Us leaving the conference means Kansas will not be forced to play us anymore. If we leave the conference, we try to continue the rivalry game, and they refuse, it is their choice at that point. I suppose there is a possibility we would choose not to continue that game, but it makes no financial sense – it’s a guaranteed ticket sell-out.
by u2nspenserfan on Oct 5, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think it is anyone's fault?
Both schools will have a choice to make. Personally, I think the money & tradition is plenty of reason to continue playing a non-con game in all sports. kU can decide not to schedule us over hurt feelings if they want. We may not play each other for a while, but eventually I think the series will be resumed.
by N8 on Oct 5, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
This logic is so tortured
Mizzou doesn’t leave = rivalry doesn’t end
is NOT the same as
Mizzou leaves = rivalry ends
by Transmogrified Tiger on Oct 5, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
That is not tortured logic at all.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Correlation does not equal causation
A happens, then B happens is not the same as A happens therefore B happens.
The fact that if A doesn’t happen, B doesn’t happen doesn’t have much, if anything to do with it.
Except when,
Missouri leaving directly results in two basketball games and one football game not being on the schedule. This isn’t post hoc, ergo propter hoc. The one thing actually DOES cause the other in this instance.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
If you take Bill Self's idle musings
As cast iron, yes.
I suspect once his AD, boosters, alumni and players have a word in his ear his view might be different.
And I think you underestimate how pissed off those people will be at Mizzou for doing this.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Nope,
not “end the rivalry.” Just feel no particular obligation to cater to Mizzou’s wants.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
So you're speaking for every KU fan
and saying NO one wishes to play Missouri in OOC? I find that very hard to believe. YOU just don’t want to play Missouri (butthurt).
If KU had an ACC invite, they wouldn’t stick around. So spare me your whining.
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
One indication of how wrong you are
is that he’s not a KU fan.
Oh well, there are lots of careers besides psychic.
And if people end the rivalry because they are pissed off
The fault lies with them, being the ones that ended the rivalry, not the people who pissed them off.
Kansas needs to take responsibility for their own actions.
The rivalry doesn't "end" unless Mizzou leaves.
It’s as simple as that.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
It's really a simple equation.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
well i certainly hope
you’re not referring to this fine gentleman as a simpleton.
"I font think you read MU post." - ravings of a 5HE deprived man
by threadkiller on Oct 5, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Identifying a simple equation as a simple equation,
does not make the person doing so a simpleton.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Ever hear of Occam's razor?
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
That's a guidline, not a rule.
And, in my experience, it’s not very applicable to emotional arguments.
It's particularly applicable here.
If you remove one precipitating event (Mizzou leaving the conference), the other event (the rivalry ending) does not happen. Simple explanations are to be preferred over complex ones.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Look,
I’m not saying Mizzou will carry no blame for the rivalry ending, if they leave, and if it does end. However, trying to say it’s all Mizzou’s fault is disingenuous at best.
It’s pretty obvious I won’t be convincing you, so I say we agree to disagree.
Assuming no other action is taken by either school, Mizzou leaving would indeed end the rivalry.
BUT, and that’s a big but (big bootay!), both schools would have to work out a solution to keep things going, and I think they’d be crazy not to, at least for BB. The initial blame (if you want to call it that) would indeed be on us. But if Mizzou reaches out and KU says no, well then that’s on both schools for not finding a solution.
And KU doesn’t “owe” it to us to keep things going, just as MU doesn’t “owe” KU to stay in this conference. There’s no “Betrayal” or anything like that. I honestly find this argument to be ridiculous.
Always bet on Black and Gold!
by Wesley Stripes on Oct 5, 2011 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
The rivalry doesn't "end" unless both schools
are unable to come up with a deal to continue playing.
not playing in conference MIGHT = not playing at all, but it doesn’t HAVE to. That’s up to the Athletic Departments.
Rational Mizzou Talk, whether you like us or not.
Majority of kU fans don't even understand what's happening
It’s not basketball season yet.
Give me twenty dollars.
Worst Twitter Ever = @SidewalkDrunk
You're comparing two separate things right now
Removing the games from the conference schedule does not mean removing the games from existence. The rivalry doesn’t have to end just because they are not games mandated by conference bylaws to be played. They rivalry ends if the two schools can’t come up with a reason to schedule the games.
You are correct in saying that if Mizzou leaves the conference, MU and KU won’t be playing conference games against each other, but you’re missing a whole other way that teams schedule games against each other. If one of the schools decide that the rivalry isn’t worth it to them, then it won’t happen. Missouri is (seemingly) willing to sacrifice an OOC game to continue playing Kansas. Is Kansas willing to do the same? If not, is it just because they’re angry that Mizzou took a lifeboat and left Kansas on a sinking ship? If so, I guess: Tough Noogies.
Rational Mizzou Talk, whether you like us or not.
by Andy--01 on Oct 5, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
hey, when you feed a troll,
sometimes you’ll get a finger bitten.
"I font think you read MU post." - ravings of a 5HE deprived man
Citing an Occam's razor explanation,
is an interesting definition of trolling.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
No.
That is not an unquestionable fact and that’s a poor argument in and of itself.
1. Missouri staying around to play 1 traditional rival makes no sense to the well being of our institution.
2. Beatind a dead horse, but other schools i.e. UFvFSU, UGAvGTech, etc. still do it…. so why couldn’t kansas?
so basically
the only reason this rivalry is even played is because Kansas is forced into it by reason of both teams being in the same conference.
Once Kansas isn’t forced into playing it against their will, they will gladly stop it.
Your point is understood.
by M Krip on Oct 5, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Your statement is not fact.
“If Mizzou doesn’t leave the Big 12, the rivalry doesn’t change” is factual.
Ending is a different situation and it takes two to make any game in either BB or FB happen. It could be Mizzou that says we are not scheduling, ku or vice versa. Doesn’t matter. It only ends if one of the two schools says no.
ku loves Missouri as every parasite has to have a host.
by nwtiger1 on Oct 5, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
note that Georgia Tech DID leave the SEC
and the rivalry kept right on truckin’
also, South Carolina left the ACC. So two of the three are true parallel cases
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by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 5, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
When did that become the point?
Sounds like moving the goalposts to me. The fact is that cross-conference rivalries can and do happen and can last. If either side chooses that they don’t want to continue the rivalry, so be it. No harm, no foul.
by Gaknar on Oct 5, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It is true that they can happen
I don’t think anyone claims that they can’t
I also don’t think it’s the norm for rivalries to persist after a team leaves a conference. A decision to leave a conference should bring the expectation of rivalry games ending.
But we're not talking about just any rivalry
None of Boston College’s rivalries remained after they left the Big East because it just wasn’t worth it. But Iowa and Iowa State obviously believe that it’s worth it to play each other even though you sometimes get the situation like this year where Iowa’s Big Ten title hopes are torpedoed immediately. Kansas-Missouri is a big enough rivalry that it could be made to work if both sides wanted it to. But if one side decides it’s not worth it, so be it. No harm, no foul. We would just have to face each other in the Cotton Bowl.
Stop laughing Mizzou fans. I’m trying to make a serious point.
by Gaknar on Oct 5, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Anyway
It’s almost pointless to argue this right now. Feelings are too raw and we don’t even know if Mizzou is actually leaving. If this is just Mizzou going all in to force Texas to fold, then a lot of people here are going to be left with egg on their faces. If Mizzou actually is leaving, then the issue can be discussed later between the schools after everyone has cooled off and then a final decision can be made.
I appreciate how reasonable you're being
My point in posting yesterday and before (last week or two weeks ago?) was just to let people know that the series was in danger if the teams were no longer in the same conference — that maintaining it out of conference was tougher (and less likely) than a lot of people assumed. If that made people less likely to support MU leaving, so much the better.
I should probably have just stayed away today once it was clear it was going to be this bizarre discussion of who would be to blame for ending the rivalry instead of a discussion of how much it’s worth putting up with to keep the rivalry going in conference.
And as I said yesterday, I totally understand and sympathize with Missouri’s impulse to leave. I just think it’s likely to cost us the rivalry, and that makes me sad.
It took half a decade
But BC and Syracuse restarted the series last season. It’s skipping this year, but if we weren’t moving to the ACC anyway, SU/BC was scheduled pretty much every year after that through the 2020s.
And I wouldn’t be surprised if something like that is what happens with Mizzou and KU. Between hurt feelings and prior commitments, you don’t play for a few years, and then sign a long-term out of conference series.
wait are we tearing down goalposts?!?!
to Harpos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
WRONG
USCe left the acc to join the sec in 1992
Georgia tech left the SEC in the 50’s (or 60’s)
Thanks for playing.
by JC-Mizzou on Oct 5, 2011 11:01 AM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
(South Carolina was independent when they moved to the SEC.)
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Beat me to it.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
ok, the left the acc early
The point is that the Clempsum rivalry remained intact even though they left their rival behind in the ACC
by JC-Mizzou on Oct 5, 2011 11:09 AM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Bill pointed out your fail with regards to S. Carolina.
And you’re really comparing the conference realignment environment that exists today with Ga Tech leaving the SEC 50-some years ago?
Thanks for playing, indeed.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
I don't begrudge any Big XII fan for being angry
But you’ve been acting worse than a lot of Mizzou fans. You’ve been stomping around like a 2 year old who had his toy taken away. Maybe you need to take a day off until you calm down.
How have I been "stomping around" here?
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
You've been throwing a tantrum across two boards now
Picking fights with everyone, threatening to cheer against Mizzou in every game as if that somehow means anything to us. It’s getting childish, especially since Mizzou hasn’t actually left yet. Again, I don’t begrudge anyone being mad, but we can still talk about this like adults.
I ranted on our board.
I’ve done nothing of the sort here.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Ignorance alert
Georgia Tech was a member of the SEC until 1964. How did they not leave Georgia behind?
Thanks for the warning.
Ignorance alert
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Sure, they would be broken. Sure, we would have done it.
But how is this some terrible betrayal? If you’re a solvent university with competent leadership, you can fend for yourself and make the choices that best benefit your school. If you’re not, that’s not Mizzou’s problem.
We don’t owe any other school anything, and they don’t owe us anything. If the Big 12 were intact in it’s original state and we were bolting for a few dollars a year, I might understand this sentiment, but we’re already down to 9 with a bully on the block in Austin who wants everyone to play by their rules. We have to decide what’s best for our school… just as every school should.
by u2nspenserfan on Oct 5, 2011 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Sorry, but that's absolutely ridiculous
I am not going to say that Missouri would hold no blame if the rivalry dies, but if the offer is on the table – and it is a fair offer (home-and-home or a lucrative neutral-site game) – and Kansas decides not to take it – that’s on them.
I’m not wild about leaving behind our Big 6 rivals, but none of those schools should be willing to put themselves a bad situation to protect the others. This isn’t about us moving to a better conference, it’s about getting out of a sinking ship. It sucks that there aren’t any additional lifelines, but there aren’t right now. KU agreeing to a regular OOC matchup with us isn’t “helping [us] out” in any way, it’s preserving the rivalry. There are plenty of rivalries that are across conference lines.
Rational Mizzou Talk, whether you like us or not.
Personally
I hated the Arrowhead games. They should be on campus, not in a too big stadium with a wishy washy 50/50 fan split.
The rivalry died a bit for me when they did that anyway, so i’m not that bothered.
agreed.
but with a qualifier; ‘07 was a once in a lifetime experience and it was at arrowhead. it wouldn’t have been that way in como or larry.
"I font think you read MU post." - ravings of a 5HE deprived man
by threadkiller on Oct 5, 2011 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
You're crazy
The rivalry atmosphere at the ‘07, ’08, and ’09 games were unreal. ’10 was terrible because Knsas was terrible and didn’t care, but those arrowhead games are some of my fondest memories as a Mizzou fan.
About the only ESPN commentators I care about are
Forde, because he seems to stay grounded fairly well, and he doesn’t take himself too seriously, and Ubben, because he’s close to the conference and, again, stays grounded (though he’s not really a commentator).
I haven't read much Ubben this year
but I thought he was pretty good last year. He let himself get swayed a bit by week-to-week performances, but when I disagreed with him, I usually saw his reasoning.
Ask him how the new Beaker book
is coming along?
Give me a break Ivan.
by tigers and chiefs fan on Oct 5, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Sour grapes.
I just liked how because he works for ESPN he decides to take a shot at Mizzou for leaving rather than addressing the real problem wich is the LHN.
Maisel can't string together two sentences together...
when the camera is on him and he always has some shit to say when someone is thinking about leaving the B12. What is he a UT alum or just in love with UT?
Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:
"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
by mjtig on Oct 5, 2011 4:29 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think I read somewhere that if MU joined the SEC...
…that we would need to increase the size of our stadium to 85000 and add more luxury boxes. That’s roughly a 20% increase. Is there any danger the rock M would get displaced?
Further elaborating...
There are four SEC schools today with stadium capcaities less than Faurot, and a fifth that is essentially even.
And even if we did expand (*which we will probably do at some point) the Rock M could be preserved.
3 of those 4
Are Vandy, Ole Miss, and Kentucky. You’re better than that. You will expand.
by SEC Supremacist on Oct 5, 2011 10:34 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah Arky went from 50K to 70K about ten years after joining
Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:
"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
by mjtig on Oct 5, 2011 4:36 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
It was suggested that...
…some of the additional seating would come in the form of additional luxury boxes on the student side of the field. (All of this is purely speculation.) I definitely like the idea of building additional seating behind the Rock M. I guess this is all putting the cart ahead of the horse, but it’s just a very exciting time to be an MU fan/alum/whatever.
I'm working from memory here
But I seem to remember a reading something about a study that was done a few years ago about expanding the stadium, and some of the suggestions were to expand the bleachers onto the grass on either side of the M and build additional bleachers up behind it without displacing the M itself. The problem Memorial stadium has is that it sits in a natural amphitheater, so that the south endzone, which used to be open, is really close to the water table, making it nearly impossible to build much more on that end because the ground can’t support it.
by Damnatio Memoriae on Oct 5, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
I've heard that argument as well
and it’s BS. You can build anything you want on any kind of soil – as long as there is bedrock underneath. In columbia, bedrock is never more than 20-30 feet underground. It may be prohibitively expensive (especially to retrofit), but it’s possible to put pier or piles down to bedrock that could support a much higher load than the current south endzone bleachers.
Personally I’d rather see the east side of the stadium add a second deck, then the west side too, before they add more seats in the south endzone.
For the record, I’m an engineer who worked at a geotechnical engineering firm for several years.
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
It wasnt the building on bedrock
It was the idea of getting rid of the track and sinking the field. The blasting out would shake the stadium down and cause issues with the water table. Any addition to the stadium has to go up, but it is certainly possible to do.
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Rock M Nation
They could close off the end around and above the Rock M while keeping it intact. It would make a pretty cool enhancement and put emphasis on the M itself. Or put a 2nd deck above the student section. Either way, it could look sweet.
by A thru Zou on Oct 5, 2011 10:02 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think thats probably just a rumor
As a UGA fan, the size of your stadium has got nothing to do with me. Its your revenue, you keep it. Besides (and don’t take this as a shot at you), if I remember correctly, you don’t completely sell out for all games anyway. So, I don’t think at this point it would be beneficial for you. And by all means, correct me if I’m wrong.
by Mark Mandingo on Oct 5, 2011 10:13 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Missouri attendance
Ranked #26 of all FBS D1 schools in 2010 (Average of 61500 per game)
To put that in perspective:
Alabama – #4
Tennessee – #6
Georgia – #7
LSU – #8
Florida – #9
Auburn – #10
South Carolina – #18
Arkansas – #22
Kentucky – #25
that's what I thought
Enlarging your stadium wouldn’t bring any additional revenue (at this moment), so your first priority would be to sell out. Its probably better to have a 70,000 seat stadium that’s mostly full, than an empty 90,000. But like I said, we don’t really share ticket revenue down here so do what you want. I don’t think anybody’s requiring you to expand.
by Mark Mandingo on Oct 5, 2011 10:41 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
it's also worth pointing out
of our theoretical 71,000 or whatever capacity, 9,000 or so of those seats are temporary bleachers or hill seats. There are only actual seats (benches) for about 62K.
by jschooltiger on Oct 5, 2011 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah
it bugs me a little that they list capacity to include temporary (now pretty much permanent) seats. But it’s better than listing it at 62K, I guess.
This is the most full I ever remember it being, and I’ve been going to games since 1980:


by jschooltiger on Oct 5, 2011 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
2010 oklahoma? 2007 nebraska?
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 5, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
yep, sorry, meant to include that
got distracted by “work,” whatever that is
by jschooltiger on Oct 5, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
was i correct in saying 2007?
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 5, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
You can also tell by looking at the jumbotron.
It's not the size of the dog in the fight; it's the size of the fight in the dog.
- Mark Twain
Or, in the case of our 2007 video board
Just “tron”
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by RPT on Oct 5, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd imagine playing an SEC schedule alone would push that number higher
Not to Auburn lengths, but certainly in front of Kentucky and Arkansas
by Transmogrified Tiger on Oct 5, 2011 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
the top 3 teams
are all b1G teams: michigan, osu, and psu. that has to stick in sec fan’s craw.
"I font think you read MU post." - ravings of a 5HE deprived man
by threadkiller on Oct 5, 2011 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
they just have larger stadiums.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 5, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
yes, yes they do.
not really my point.
"I font think you read MU post." - ravings of a 5HE deprived man
by threadkiller on Oct 5, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
we lead in overall attendance though
And we have for a while now.
by Mark Mandingo on Oct 5, 2011 10:56 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
you've had one more team for a while now.
i’m sorry i brought it up. just figured that was the type of thing that would bother sec fan.
"I font think you read MU post." - ravings of a 5HE deprived man
by threadkiller on Oct 5, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
it doesn't really bother me
Its just that they are ahead in stadium expansion at the moment. The only thing I’m envious of is their academic reputation. Not that it isn’t deserved.
by Mark Mandingo on Oct 5, 2011 11:04 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
they also have the three largest stadiums
Its a leap frog game of expansion. Tennessee had the 2nd biggest, behind the big house, a few years ago. But hey, its still a true statement so more power to em. Jingle those keys.
by Mark Mandingo on Oct 5, 2011 10:55 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Assuming we remember that in Latin, Jehovah begins with an "I", and we choose stable ground
Are we to believe that the SEC will be two seven team divisions, playing the six teams in your division every year, with a two/three team rotation of the other division. Trying to figure out if we stay with the three non conference games or go back to four. I’d guess nine conference games
Also seems like the SEC starts conference play before other conferences.
Again…assumptions, assumptions, assumptions.
by MUPete on Oct 5, 2011 10:15 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
some schools begin conference play early
UGA-SC is usually the second week. Bit there are some teams that start later. Alabama didnt have their conference opener till week 4. Im sure the fact that UGA and SC have end of season, non conference rivalries plays a part in why they start early. So I think there’s a little flexibility on that front.
by Mark Mandingo on Oct 5, 2011 10:23 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I wouldn't mind being able to play a cupcake near the end of the year
(Kansas aside) …. or, conversely, play someone like Arizona State later in the year.
by jschooltiger on Oct 5, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
We have to keep the rock m, otherwise what would we call the blog
Blog formaly know as rock m nation? I must say I want to stay in the big 12 add some more school say smu, byu, Boise, and louisville. I just don want to be the secs new whipping post with Tam. But that will only last a couple of years before we get some of that florida speed in the program. Also a rivalry with Bama could happen cause how handed Bama their worst loss under byant…………….
by dp2 on Oct 5, 2011 10:27 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
How embarrassing would it be
if the lack of knowledge concerning posting pictures would prevent me from making the appropriate reply?
No one that knows me will ever argue I'm
not a moron.
In the above case we should have a …

I was wondering where you were going with that.
"Every absurdity has a champion to defend it" Olivar Goldsmith
i still am.
"I font think you read MU post." - ravings of a 5HE deprived man
by threadkiller on Oct 5, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Well played sir!
"Every absurdity has a champion to defend it" Olivar Goldsmith
I meant no insult or sarcasm.
I just couldn’t tell if you really didn’t know or were making a joke I wasn’t getting.
Awesome
Never knew about hot-linking before. I will be more careful from now on.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 5, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
The sad thing
was I was able to upload the image as a SBN asset. (sorry Bill)
I just have this to say to going to the SEC...
Almost no chance of ever having KU come to Mizzou Arena anytime in the next generation SUCKS. I live in DC and can’t even go to games anymore, and I still think that is just about the worst thing I can imagine. I guess leave the Big 12 if you have to Mizzou, but you better make damn sure there’s no way for the Big 12 to work before you do.
You know,i always found it funny
How all the Big 1…err,Big 12 teams jump all over a school just because they want a more stable environment. They like to spew about "oh,you’ll be bottom of the barrel in the SEC,B1G blah blah. Fact is,no matter where you end up in order of (and i think you guys will compete well in whatever conference) You know that in 6 years,the conference will be there,the money will be good,and you won’t be hanging onto the words of one team who might get even more greedy (if that’s possible) and destroy the conference in one fell swoop
I find it interesting
that the same people who say “Mizzou will get smoked in the SEC” are also the people who say the SEC isn’t that great of a conference.
The same thing happened when Nebraska left. I heard people talk about how Nebraska couldn’t compete with the Big 10 schools. But then they would talk about how the Big 12 was easily the 2nd best football conference.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
^^This^^
is hilarious.
"So I want everybody to think here for a second, how much does this game mean to you? 'Cause if it means something to you, you can't stand still. You understand? You play fast! You play strong! You go out there and dominate the man you're playing against, and you make his ass quit! That's our trademark! That's our M.O.... as a team! That's what people know us as!" - Coach Nick Saban before the 2008 LSU game.
by 12NationalChampionships on Oct 5, 2011 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
ha!
I still see them making the Big 10 Conference Championship game though. Who’s beating them in the Lead er Leg, er whatever division they are in?
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
.
T-Tragic, the Amazing Noodle-Armed Heisman candidate, is good for at least two more loses, and the defense has fallen off from last year. This doesn’t really surprise me. Pelini built his defense specifically to stop Mizzou’s spread and I’m not sure how effective it’s going to be in the Big Ten. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Iowa knock them off (rivalry game) and Michigan and Michigan State could contend. I think it’s way to early to be buying the Big Ten Championship game tickets.
ha!
seriously, beer on Nebraska winning their division.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
I don't drink light beer.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
by mizzou2396 on Oct 5, 2011 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
My only sadness
Is that you’ll go to SEC instead of B1G. Would love you guys here. But you go with what you can,and the SEC is a very very nice landing spot of stability. If Missouri goes,know here is one husker who will be rooting for you all in your games.
I truly appreciate the sentiment...
…but somehow a Husker fan getting all touchy feely is making me feel dirty.
by GreenRipper on Oct 5, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Uggh
Why are we leaving for the SEC again? We have great rivalries and a clean shot at the BCS every season here. I’m sorry…I think we have swallowed a massive media storm and become obsessed with realignment. Texas and Oklahoma are bigger, more powerful collegiate athletic powers than us. We shouldn’t get all butthurt if they have more sway than us. You don’t hear Iowa State complain about it, and we seemed to be pretty happy with it for the last ten years. Honestly I think a lot of folks are suffering from our notorious inferiority complex which was made much worse after the Big Ten tease last year which ended up favoring one of our most bitter rivals. I don’t see how we get new rivals in the SEC…rivalries (true rivalries) take decades (or Civil War ties) to build.
Leaving, to me, is NOT worth it. There will be a seat at the big boys’ table for Mizzou when the dust settles if all this wacky mythical Armageddon we’re so freaked out about ever comes to pass.
At the same time I understand why everyone’s so excited. I just can’t help but feel we’re making a mistake. I think the money won’t be so different in any situation, and we’re moving for the sake of moving. Again, uggh.
/Endcomplaining, carry on with the celebration
"This looks like it could be gravy."
-Carl the Groundskeeper, Caddyshack
by MissouriMarine on Oct 5, 2011 10:57 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
clarification
By more sway, I mean national attention/conference desirability when referencing UT/OU
"This looks like it could be gravy."
-Carl the Groundskeeper, Caddyshack
by MissouriMarine on Oct 5, 2011 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
If Iowa State had a chance to join the B1G today
there is no way they would even hesitate to try to work something out to make the Big 12 a better home for their athletic program. They would be gone in a flash because to sit around and hope Texas and OU decides to throw you a cleaned bone in 6 years is just insane.
The thought of leaving the other Big 12 north schools sucks for alot of us but the alternative of being left in the cold 6 years from now is an even worse horror story.
I would have to respectfully disagree.
At least on the complaining part. Iowa State would complain but who is really going to listen to Iowa State (not poking at them, just being realistic. I for one feel extremely sorry for Iowa State in all of this). Also to be fair, if Iowa State had options like Missouri does now they would be doing the exact same thing we are. Missouri, finally actually has some leverage and sway for once and are using it and they have used it and it made it seems evident that the changes we want in the Big 12 or not going to happen. As for rivals I will not miss kansas, just the idea of playing kansas. Nebraska and Colorado are already gone and I don’t care if we play any texass ever again. Basically I will miss the old Big 8 and that’s about it.
Gents, this is my point
Iowa State DOES have an option. The Big 12 ain’t dead…in fact, if they add Louisvile, WVU, TCU, and/or BYU…ummm, I’d say we just gained a lot of initiative, kept our great rivals, added some new ones for our beloved statsters to write about about, AND are still the geographic center of the conference.
Besides, if we are going to leave why to the SEC? Why not wait for the Big Ten? The point has been made many times here that these conferences aren’t going to add just anyone. The Big Ten isn’t going to expand just to expand. Honestly, who else is the SEC going to get to fill this vacancy? I don’t think an ACC school is going to leave their strengthened outfit…they’ve already said no to WVU. They won’t expand for scheduling purposes. WHat do they care about more…having a legit conference champion with balanced schedule, or throwing truckloads of money at a school that doesn’t bring enough of what they want?
This latest round of EXPANSIONPALOOZA should simply, IMHO, serve as a reassurance that Mizzou is well thought of AND valued and that just cus the Big Ten took the Nubs before us doesn’t mean nobody wants us.
"This looks like it could be gravy."
-Carl the Groundskeeper, Caddyshack
by MissouriMarine on Oct 5, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry, but I think that is way too trusting og OU and Texas.
I prefer to take contorl of my own destiny, acknowledging that there are costs that accompany the benefits.
It's a "You Bet Your LIfe" situation (I think that's the right metaphor)
You know what’s behind Door #1, an SEC invite. Do you take it, or do you go for Door #2, knowing that it could be either a Big Ten invite, a stable Big XII, or Armageddon 3 where you’re left out?
If your assumption that everything is going to 16 is correct
Then how will Missouri not have a possible chair in the SEC in 6 years, even if they choose someone else to get to 14?
I don’t see how Missouri gets left out, no matter what. I see a lot of ways that KSU gets left out, but I don’t see any way that Missouri gets left out. Even if you’re last to get picked, you will be picked, because you are the only school in a large state with two big TV markets. You will be picked. Stop self-hating.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 5, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm of a similar line of thinking
but you have to acknowledge that there is a non-zero chance of Mizzou being “left out”, or relegated to something worse than they have now. And since that outcome could be so damaging, wiping it out completely is something that has value. Add in the financial incentive and it makes sense for the University to make that decision.
by Transmogrified Tiger on Oct 5, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I see some sense to it
But I see more sense in staying. I’m also biased, but I always try to downplay my known biases and it just makes more sense to me for you guys to stay.
I’m just going to keep hoping this is a bluff to make Texas fold.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 5, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I would prefer to stay, I just don't know if it's worth the risk
by Gaknar on Oct 5, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Me too
I’ve always had the SEC as a distant 4th behind the Big 10, the Big 12/Big East merger from before Syracuse/UConn’s move, and a stable 10 team Big 12 with someone like BYU added. But since 1 seems like a fantasy, 2 is now impossible, and 3 looks unlikely to be stable long term given OU and UT’s actions, I’m kinda resigned to 4.
by Transmogrified Tiger on Oct 5, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think the risk is that high, personally, of you guys being left out.
Even acknowledging a “greater-than-zero” chance of it happening, I would still put that risk at like 2%, which is negligible.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 5, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
And last year, no one saw how the Big XII would break apart again
If Mizzou signs the rights agreement, the SEC will almost certainly go to 14. Wether they go to 16 is an open question. We have seen that the ACC will be proactive about expansion, so if an ACC team leaves for the SEC, you can expect the ACC to go after at least one or all three of UConn, Rutgers and WVU. That kills the Big East. We still have no idea what the Big Ten wants to do. They could decide to stay at 12 on the assumption that 14/16 conferences won’t work. Or, they could see their options in the East disappear which could induce them to make another play for Notre Dame and Big XII North teams (or Texas). The Pac-12 seems content to sit back and wait and if they can get Texas in a weakened position, they may be willing to go after the four South teams again.
In the end, we don’t know exactly what will happen and the past two years have shown that things will rarely work out the way we assume. Mizzou would be expected to find a landing spot, but that just isn’t assured.
I'd rather find a landing spot now
than wait around for six years for something that might happen
by jschooltiger on Oct 5, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, then you are putting instant gratification above long-term benefit
Wouldn’t you agree that if the Big 12 could work, it would be better for you than the SEC, by whatever metric you would choose to measure?
And if you know you will have a seat at the end regardless, why not take a chance on saving the Big 12?
Furthermore, by going to the SEC, it seems to me like you closing the door on the Big 10 forever, which it seems to me is far more favorable than the SEC (I of course would prefer you to stay in the Big 12 anyway, but purely from your standpoint).
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 5, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
So you think it has zero chance of happening?
You get the same end result either way if the Big 12 doesn’t work, and if it does then you have a better ending than moving now.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 5, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Instant gratification?
I think that’s a gross simplification of what’s going on. Mizzou hasn’t been happy for years, and the only way the conference has made any progress was by losing a quarter of its members and having the remaining members denied by their suitors.
And again, we don’t know if we’ll have a seat at the end. Other fanbases like to mock us for overestimating our importance, but the last couple of years have us worried about the opposite problem that no one values us. The Big Ten doesn’t, the Pac-12 doesn’t, the Big XII South doesn’t.
As for the Big Ten, they had their chance. They chose Nebraska. So be it. But with the ACC blocking them in the east (and making eyes towards Notre Dame) and the SEC looking to block them in the west, who knows? Maybe they make a move. Nothing would surprise me at this point.
by Gaknar on Oct 5, 2011 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The instant gratification claim by opposing fans
cracks me up every single time, for reasons that I don’t need to explain to my fellow Mizzou alumni/fans here.
It’s just ridiculous.
Glad I could give you a laugh
But the argument in the context it was delivered is sound.
I don’t think it is an over-simplification, at least not in context to what I responded.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 5, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Instant gratification
is NOT a conference agreement for 20-50 years, as this SEC agreement will be. It is NOT an agreement that will boost Mizzou’s current athletic department budget by 50%, easily, over that period, and much likely more.
Guarantee that the SEC outearns, per school, this patchwork Big 12 after their new deal is signed. And it won’t be close.
Yeah, a lot of instant gratification there.
If Missouri stayed I would take you up on that bet
But if you leave, of course we will be crippled, maybe beyond saving finally.
But the argument I was responding to, that jschooltiger would “rather find a landing spot now than wait around for six years for something that might happen”, is an individual example of instant gratification.
And how good the deal is irrelevant to whether this is an example of instant gratification.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 5, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Because nothing is certain IN THE LONG HAUL
if Mizzou stays in the B12 makes it a LONG-TERM decision, which laughs in the face of the theory of instant gratification.
Exactly. Long term planning is the antithesis of instant gratification.
It’s a broken argument.
by u2nspenserfan on Oct 5, 2011 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
The Big 12 will survive this.
It’s mainly just the I-70 schools and ISU that are losing a 100 year rival because of it.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Easy, Chicken Little.
The conference is going to be crippled beyond saving? Surely your hyperbole has gotten the best of your logic center. The conference still has Oklahoma and Texas. They are the important teams.
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
That's not even remotely instant gratification
This pure risk assessment. If the risk of staying outweighs the risk of leaving, you leave. Instant gratification would be if the SEC threw out an invitation and promise of money and Mizzou just jumped at it without any thought of the consequences. That absolutely isn’t happening.
Apparantly nobody is looking at the context of my argument and what I was responding to.
Whatever.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 5, 2011 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I’d rather find a landing spot now than wait around for six years for something that might happen
Yep, I see that. And once again, the University is assessing the situation and analyzing the long term outcome of it. Again, long term planning is the antithesis of instant gratification.
by u2nspenserfan on Oct 5, 2011 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
The University is, that has nothing to do with jschooltiger's viewpoint
He is the single and only person I was accusing of instant gratification, not the University of Missouri, or it’s entire fan-base.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 5, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
You should have said so earlier.
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by Wesley Stripes on Oct 5, 2011 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
You mean like this?
But the argument I was responding to, that jschooltiger would "rather find a landing spot now than wait around for six years for something that might happen", is an individual example of instant gratification.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 5, 2011 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
.
Wouldn’t you agree that if the Big 12 could work, it would be better for you than the SEC, by whatever metric you would choose to measure?
And if you know you will have a seat at the end regardless, why not take a chance on saving the Big 12?
Furthermore, by going to the SEC, it seems to me like you closing the door on the Big 10 forever, which it seems to me is far more favorable than the SEC (I of course would prefer you to stay in the Big 12 anyway, but purely from your standpoint).
You are clearly talking about the University here. This is what I was talking about with changing the subject.
Not to mention...
using the B1G as part of this argument is fallacious in nature because the B1G has never expressed any interest in Mizzou and has, in fact, declined Mizzou’s attempts to join the B1G several times.
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
OK?
I am making an argument for staying in the Big 12 that keeps all of Missouri’s options open.
The only part of that post that was about instant gratification was the subject line part saying that jschooltiger was making an argument based out of instant gratification.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 5, 2011 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
And dammit, I'm Bickelizing again, time to stop.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 5, 2011 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Lol, it’s ok. Just a misunderstanding.
The problem is you’re assuming things will play out that way, when in reality we have no idea what’s going to happen. You can’t stake your future on what-ifs, especially when you’re already unhappy with things.
Always bet on Black and Gold!
by Wesley Stripes on Oct 5, 2011 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I am, it just doesn't make any sense
There’s is nothing about this situation remotely related to instant gratification. In fact, if the rumors coming out today are true, Mizzou considers the SEC a consolation prize given that the Big Ten still won’t send an invitation.
see above
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 5, 2011 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, I saw it, as long as we kept letting Texas do whatever it wants just to keep them
I personally like the idea of telling Texas to comply with our demands or tell them to leave the conference.
We might not be as marketable as a conference, but then wouldn’t we have all that stability you guys keep talking about?
And I think Texas would fold in that scenario.
But it seems right now that you are choosing to leave instead of fight.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 5, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
If Texas is forced out, our tv contract goes up in smoke. And in that scenario, leaving for the much more lucrative sec makes even more sense.
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by Wesley Stripes on Oct 5, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
No fight?
Mizzou was clamoring for equal revenue sharing at least as early as 2009. Mizzou voted to sign their rights away last year to stabilize the conference before Oklahoma, Texas and A&M killed that initiative. Missouri as chair was working on expansion and keeping A&M in conference before Oklahoma blew that up. And as I understand it, Mizzou is still pushing for changes in the Big XII. You act like we just woke up one day and decided to jump ship. This has been coming for years in large part because the Big XII was so resistant to change.
Well that's why I added the qualifier "seems right now"
I also said elsewhere that OU deserves just as much or more of the blame than Mizzou.
But I also don’t think leaving right now is your best option.
And if K-State isn’t in your corner on those revenue changes you were fighting for just a little bit ago then we have quite a bit of blame too.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 5, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe it's not
But it’s a matter of predicting the future based on the past. We know what life is like in the Big XII, we know that Texas is always going to try and push themselves at the expense of the conference, and we know that there will never be a Big XII Network. The question is whether to continue with the status quo or take a risk.
Missouri has been fighting back for a while now. Our fighting and calling for reform was labeled
as “flirting” with the Big 10, and it got all the blame for Nebraska and Colorado leaving pointed squarely at us.
We tried to get reform and real changes, and we got a suggestion that we do equal revenue sharing and handcuff ourselves for 6 years. That’s not the reform we were looking for (though, it’s a start).
We’ve called for change, and the bus is starting to leave without us, so if we want an exit option, it’s time to shit or get off the pot, and I’d much rather have my university be in a good situation than be stuck in a bad one.
Rational Mizzou Talk, whether you like us or not.
Nebraska and Colorado leaving is on them
I never blamed you guys for that. Though some did.
I don’t think “flirting with the Big 10” constitutes fighting back to me, though.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 5, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I think publicly stating some of the problems that the conference has and needs to address
counts as fighting back.
THAT is what got labeled as “flirting with the Big 10”.
Rational Mizzou Talk, whether you like us or not.
I think most people are referring to Nixon's comments about how the Big 10 is a better academic conference
and how stupid schools like Oklahoma State and Texas Tech are a drag.
In fact, I don’t even know to what you are referring.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 5, 2011 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
So now it's about Jay Nixon?
If you guys want to make an argument, make your argument. Don’t say one thing and then say “well, I was actually referring to this other event that I didn’t bother to actually mention”.
Jay Nixon is an elected official that has zero input on the operational actions of Mizzou
Nixon’s comments were stupid, no doubt, but anyone who thought that his statements were in any way a policy directive for the University is an idiot.
Rational Mizzou Talk, whether you like us or not.
by Andy--01 on Oct 5, 2011 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
So now I'm an idiot? What;'s with all the vitriol?
Governor of your state. Alum of your school. Lobbying for going to the Big 10. Yeah, he has zero input.
And Gaknar, I never said it was about Jay Nixon. I said if Missouri leaves they aren’t fighting anymore. Then Andy-01 said that people called fighting against Texas “flirting with the Big 10”. I then said, no, they were referring to Nixon’s comments when they made those jokes. I never said anything remotely resembling “well, I was actually referring to this other event that I didn’t bother to actually mention”.
But whatever, I don’t want to get into another Bickelizing thread.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 5, 2011 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
This argument had nothing at all to do with Jay Nixon
If you want to argue about Jay Nixon, then start a new thread about Jay Nixon.
It did when somebody else besides me
brought up flirting with the Big 10, a term I had not used in any argument to that point, and said that is what others accused them of when the fought back against Texas.
I said, no we accused you of that when Nixon said that stuff. That is just the facts, I don’t get where all this anger is coming from.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 5, 2011 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
No, Jay Nixon does not have input.
I went to Mizzou. I buy tickets to games.
A friend of mine went to Mizzou. His cousin used to be governor. Does that mean he and I’s opinion’s have anything to do with what will happen? Come on.
You guys are really reaching to find an argument right now. You’re upset, and that’s your prerogative, but none of your arguments are rooted in logic.
by u2nspenserfan on Oct 5, 2011 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess your governor has no input on the budget?
And he doesn’t talk to the Deaton and offer suggestions?
I don’t think he actually threatened budget cuts or anything, but to say he has no input is naive, in my eyes. HE is the governor and is closer to the university than a non-alum governor so he is taking a special interest.
He may not have final say, but he has input.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 5, 2011 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, but he isn’t an official of MU. He can suggest and apply pressure, but he cannot speak for the university.
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by Wesley Stripes on Oct 5, 2011 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Look..
You’re a reasonable guy – I’ll just agree to disagree here. I don’t believe the governor has any influence at all on this situation. I’m sure he gives his opinion but if he threatened to cut educational funding based on what athletic conference we’re in, they would laugh him out of the room. It would be political suicide.
I’m not naive to the extent that I believe there are no back-room deals made in politics… there are tons. I just think this one isn’t logical.
by u2nspenserfan on Oct 5, 2011 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I wasn't expressly saying that YOU were an idiot
(even though I did, ahem, say that you were an idiot). So, I apologize for the personal attack, since that’s not really what I was going for here.
My point was that, with the number of times it’s been said that MGJN is just a fan spouting off his opinion in a very public forum, it’s rather silly to continue to perpetuate the myth that “Missouri University was opening its blouse” when the chief piece of evidence is Nixon’s statements.
Rational Mizzou Talk, whether you like us or not.
I understand that, and didn't men to further that notion
I was merely saying that what started the “Missouri opens her blouse for Big 10” talk wasn’t Mizzou taking some noble stance against Longhorn, it was Nixon’s statements.
At least it was for me, though I’ll admit I may have missed an important step because I didn’t really pay attention until the Nebraska stuff got real.
But at the time when Nixon was degrading Big 12 academics (and by extension KSU, though he never mentioned our school) that is what made me start that association.
I have since come around (thanks in no small part to Gaknar’s efforts at BOTC) that Nixon was more like T. Boone Pickens or even Chip Brown, just as a commentator rather than actually having any control in the process.
Thank you for the apology. I appreciate it, and fully realize that internet boards aren’t always the best medium for expression. I have obviously come off as way more antagonistic and inciteful than I feel I actually am. Sorry for the poor wording on my part.
Probably should have stayed away from here so soon after the incident when the emotions were still fresh (for both sides).
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 5, 2011 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
people like that reform.
hey, we should get us some of that reform.
"I font think you read MU post." - ravings of a 5HE deprived man
Thank God your mama died givin' birth - if she'd a seen ya she'd-a died of shame...
Speaking of Junior, a friend of mine was a DJ a few years ago and I would come with him sometimes… and we’re doing this big party and this guy who looked exactly like Junior – down to the waistline pulled up over his belly – came in. I pointed it out, and my friend gets on the mike and was like “When you’re fixin’ to make a mess o’ biscuits, remember to use good clean Mississippi water and pure Pappy O’Daniel flour.”
I know it’s a paraphrase, but it was very funny at the time.
by u2nspenserfan on Oct 5, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
we never really pressed the acc
So I don’t know what your big 10 options are but in 6 years the sec may be fine with 14, or we could make a play for Clemson and FSU. Buyout or no buyout, they would jump in a heartbeat. The “gentlemens’s agreement” was just a rumor. Even if it was true, six years can easily change minds. So don’t count on your invite still being there.
by Mark Mandingo on Oct 5, 2011 12:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think the majority of MU fans view this as the one and only shot at the SEC.
It’s fans from other Big 12 schools that are advocating the wait and see approach. That and the pro-B1G holdouts.
by N8 on Oct 5, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Its more a matter of choosing your terms I feel.
At this point if we leave, we leave before some god-awful catastrophic conference ending calamity that results in us needing to be picked up as the 15th or 16th team.
By leaving now we leave with a head coach in place for years to come.
Honestly I just don’t want to be breaking in a new coach while searching/breaking in a new conference as well.
"...I'm not trying to act giddy but the guy is a stud.'' - Terry McDonough, Director of Player Personnel, Jacksonville Jaguars
Based on previous Missouri attempts to "join" the Big Ten
in 1998, 2007, openly pining for them in a 1993 article someone posted online the other day….
I’d say you will be waiting a very, very, very, very, very, very long time.
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
It only took Nebraska 100 years.
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 5, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
How do you know that there will be a seat at the table when the music stops?
Not 12 months ago the plains division of the Mountain West Conference beckoned. Things change too quickly to be certain that we’ll have a spot at the table in a year.
Good point and obviously a concern on everyone's mind
But how do we know that we really were in danger last year? Where did this MWC plains division exist except in the ether of sports journalism. Granted it sounded feasible at the time, but again, as I posted above, I feel that we are one of the schools that will get scooped up by a conference where we fit and will continue to contribute our desirable TV/media markets and fine tradition. I can’t help but feel that will be alongside KU and KSU.
"This looks like it could be gravy."
-Carl the Groundskeeper, Caddyshack
by MissouriMarine on Oct 5, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
oooh Stargate
I thought it would get an Anchorman “when in Rome” statement. I like where you took this.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
I enjoy Anchorman, but not as much as SG-1.
That scene sticks out to me as a perfect example of Jack being Jack, as well.
My name's Captain Kirk.
That’s not what your dog tags say.
They’re lying.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
I like this bit from Staples' column
emphasis added
Before we go any further, here’s a public-service message to the fans, coaches and misguided sports writers who still fail to grasp why all of this is happening. Schools aren’t conference-jumping to win football or basketball national titles. This is about money and security. Yes, Missouri would find winning at football in the SEC to be quite difficult. But its options are to not win conference titles for a lot of money in a completely stable league or to not win conference titles for less money in a relatively unstable league. If this were only about winning at football, the SEC already would have booted Vanderbilt and brought in Boise State.
by jschooltiger on Oct 5, 2011 11:00 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
it's absolutely correct.
anyone who thinks this is about sports is delusional.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 5, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
exactly, this is about pensions!
sorry, couldn’t resist.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
Very good article on conference formation
Conference alignment was hot topic in KC — more than a century ago
Turns out Nubs was gunning for a Big Ten spot in 1900 :)
But they said we did!
Through the looking glass now folks.
One techie question, one comment
On my home computer, using Chrome, the Z doesn’t work for me. Is this a known issue, or am I doing something wrong?
Also, in regards to abandoning rivalries: I’m not an old dude, but definitely not the youngest fan on here. I think I carry some perspective in life, having graduated from Mizzou in 2001, so I don’t think I’m grasping for the next shiny new thing here. Color me jaded, but I honestly could not care less. The thought of playing K-State or Iowa State for the next 50 years bores me to tears. And the Kansas rivalry has become so hateful, I think both schools could use a nice long break from each other.
it works for me on chrome
twitter handle: @asstastic_o1
just because im over 300 pounds doesnt meant I dont have a great ass.
by BillSelfsToupee on Oct 5, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Chrome in Mac OS or Windows?
Works for me (Chrome 14.0.8, Mac OS 10.6.8)
by jschooltiger on Oct 5, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
My "Z" stopped working yesterday on Chrome
Works on Firefox.
Also, I logged out on Chrome to try and “reset” but now I can’t log back in.
(Chrome in Windows 7)
signs, signs everywhere are signs . . .
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
name the original performer of that song. no cheating.
"I font think you read MU post." - ravings of a 5HE deprived man
by threadkiller on Oct 5, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Five Man Electrical Band
Oh look my tumblr, where you can find all my photoshops and other crap
Damon Magazu is awesome.
Sanity is for the weak.
by RjTheMetalhead on Oct 5, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I WASN'T TALKING TO YOU!
kidding, but seriously you must have been laying in the weeds for that one.
"I font think you read MU post." - ravings of a 5HE deprived man
by threadkiller on Oct 5, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Bah.
I’ve got it in electronic format, but can’t think of the name. It…………godd*****. Rj posted it just as I was starting to work it out.
I like boobs
twitter handle: @asstastic_o1
just because im over 300 pounds doesnt meant I dont have a great ass.
by BillSelfsToupee on Oct 5, 2011 11:34 AM CDT reply actions
Ass man myself
"Every absurdity has a champion to defend it" Olivar Goldsmith
i dont mind a good looking pooper either
twitter handle: @asstastic_o1
just because im over 300 pounds doesnt meant I dont have a great ass.
by BillSelfsToupee on Oct 5, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
so sorry
I myself also enjoy a firm looking buttocks
twitter handle: @asstastic_o1
just because im over 300 pounds doesnt meant I dont have a great ass.
by BillSelfsToupee on Oct 5, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
you're not into glass bottom boats then?
you’re missing out on life.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
Am I the only one that's disgusted by the metaphors the sports media uses?
I think sports does a good enough job degrading women without using terms like “flirt” “unbutton the blouse” “whoring” and “panty dropping” to describe this process. It’s pretty appalling to me.
by JohnMatuszakloveschunk on Oct 5, 2011 12:20 PM CDT reply actions 9 recs
I don't even really really hate it
but it’s just become the lazy way of expressing something.
by Transmogrified Tiger on Oct 5, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Well
As a man, i have been known to drop my drawers at well, the drop of a hat. And to also unbutton a blouse or forget to zip up my pants while couples skating.
Point of the story is, no ones perfect, except maybe me.
twitter handle: @asstastic_o1
just because im over 300 pounds doesnt meant I dont have a great ass.
by BillSelfsToupee on Oct 5, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
It's obnoxious
also really dislike the use of “butthurt” to describe some of the shenanigans up above
by jschooltiger on Oct 5, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
It's kind of a two way street
Those phrases are used as descriptors because that kind of thing works on guys. Otherwise sportswriters would be saying things like “Mizzou is doing the helicopter dick for the SEC.” To the best of my knowledge, that sort of thing, which is a rough analogue to “panty dropping,” doesn’t actually work on women. And if it does, I’ve been going about things all wrong for years.
by Damnatio Memoriae on Oct 5, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
ftfy
Am I the only one that’s disgusted by the metaphors the sports media uses?
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
by mizzou2396 on Oct 5, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ok, so you know what I was thinking the other day?
How cool would it be if all day, in between games of course, ESPN talked about sports? I don’t mean who’s mad at who, or whose contract is almost up, or which game ESPN is featuring on Saturday night, or who should get fired… I mean like actually talk about the sport. Examples:
Making a list and discussing the best defensive outfielders in baseball.
Discussing and debating in depth each type of collegiate offensive and defensive scheme – not for 15 seconds on a telestrator, like a for real analysis and discussion.
Real interviews with players, kind of like homecoming, but not just a select few and not just by that smarmy Rick Reilly.
It will never happen, because those things don’t create “drama” or shock value and that’s what it’s about now. Sports media has become TMZ and Howard Stern rolled into one.
by u2nspenserfan on Oct 5, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
It's no better than wrestling.
Actually, since wrestling has babes, wrestling is better. At least when I watch wrestling, I know what I am getting.
The WWL’s pandering and sports entertainment is really bad these days. Enough with the cross promotions.
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
It's ESPN the Weekend at Disney World sponsored by The Lion King 3D!
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
I don't appreciate you insulting Mr. Stern, ;)
but I would watch that type of show. Mike & Mike and PTI seemed to start out that way, but they became more and more corporate. With Mike & Mike it started with good analysis and the give and take of the natural personalities worked well off each other. Then they got feedback about how people liked their conflict and it became contrived and stupid, IMO.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
Agree 100% on Mike and Mike+
And they still fall back into their natural rhythm occasionally, but the forced conflict between them makes me turn it off some days.
by u2nspenserfan on Oct 5, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
yup
I’ve been hitting the Dan Patrick show a lot recently. Brilliant. The banter between him and the Danettes is fantastic.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
Internet streaming or something?
I loved the Dan Patrick Show on ESPN. Dan and Dibs and Phil the show killer… it was always pretty entertaining. Now, I listen to Mike and Mike in the morning if they’re good, then I turn it off. The Herd is ridiculous and here in Memphis, they have the Jim Rome show after that, then these two local dweebuses who call each other a$$ clowns and mock people dying and classy things like that.
by u2nspenserfan on Oct 5, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
you can internet stream it
it’s also on fox sports, Sirius/XM channel 169 from 8-11.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
No, Wan and I have brought this up before
Misogynistic and inaccurate to boot
by AlaTiger on Oct 5, 2011 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It occurs to me that the best part about leaving the Big 12 will be
not having to hear about Shipley and McCoy. And how they are roommates. And how thier brothers were. And their parents were.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
If we went to the Pac-12, maybe we could finally find out how tall Arizona State's qb is
by Gaknar on Oct 5, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Antonio Gates played basketball!
Are they related? Probably not. Nolan Richardson and Mike Anderson aren’t related either. But, Nolan Richardson coached Mike Anderson at Tulsa. One of Mike’s teammates was Paul Pressey. Paul Pressey was a NBA great (or just a player depending on who is broadcasting). They played together at Tulsa. Well, Mike Anderson went on to be an assistant at Arkansas under, you guessed it, Nolan Richardson. They won a national title. Richardson called his style 40 minutes of hell. Anderson then coached at Missouri. He played a similar style called the fastest 40 minutes. Guess who was on his team. Phil Pressey. He has a brother, Matt. They are brothers. But guess what? Not a coincidence they have the same last name as Paul, their his sons! Which makes them brothers. Who played for Mike Anderson at Missouri. Mike now coaches at Arkansas. Guess who is going to join the SEC? Missouri! So Phil will be playing AGAINST his dad’s former teammate and his former coach who was also a former assistant and now head coach at Arkansas. Missouri and Arkansas share a border!!!!! Missouri and kansas do too. In fact, Missouri borders more states than any other state. But, Missour and kansas may not play anymore so Arkansas may be the border war! Also, Tony Gonzalez – who played pro ball in Missouri – played basketball in college. Speaking of football, in other news, McCoy just threw a td pass to Shipley . . .
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
by mizzou2396 on Oct 5, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
Yes, well done!
But OMFG … I was so excited to play against XCMA that I didn’t realize we would have to put up with this analysis again of the Press(l)ey/Anderson connection. sigh
it's gonna be awesome man.
it’s the story we heard before but with 3 more layers.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
Fair, but
Can we still talk about XCMA and his conncections with the Pressey’s, I think he’s there an uncle… also Tulsa.
but that's my favorite story
because if you aren’t careful with it, it can go on forever.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
by mizzou2396 on Oct 5, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Meh
Every loss for 5 years (at least) in the SEC would be be STILL ADJUSTING TO THE SPEED OF THE SEC.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Oct 5, 2011 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
interesting
you think we will lose a game in the SEC? I’m fairly confident we will win all our games each year.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
by mizzou2396 on Oct 5, 2011 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yea
Didn’t you hear, we get to play whatever SEC teams we want and the championship game will be in KC!
Texas and OU will play a little exhibition at half time.
Just for entertainment purposes.
"The power of the force has stopped you, you hosers."
Oh I heard.
I started that one. It’s a good idea. It would really help us out.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
Petro on 810
Is surprisingly clear-eyed about this whole thing. Usually I disagree with him all the time.
I am waiting for the Kietzman bitch fit coming up a the top of the hour. Going to be fun!
KK supposedly isn't talking about Mizzou anymore
I guess we should have accepted that Big Ten invite when we had the chance.
I'm calling him and telling him that I heard he hated Gabe Dearmond
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
He really said that……..?
Always bet on Black and Gold!
by Wesley Stripes on Oct 5, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
So he thinks this is a ploy to get a Big Ten invite
That’s actually not too irrational. Of course KK’s claim that Jim Delany will contact Mizzou (“100%”) is a bit of a stretch.
question
if Delaney does contact us, and if we went to the Big 10, does KK no longer have an issue with Mizzou jumping ship?
And just so we’re clear, no I don’t think Delaney calls, no I don’t think we get to the Big 10 and no I don’t care what KK thinks about us, I’m just fascinated by the way his mind works.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
I listened last night on my way home (waiting for them to cut in)
and he went on a little pity party about how it was going to kill Missouri economy and then in the next breath said that it didn’t matter one bit if Missouri left. The Big 12 would survive and everything would be fine. He even said that ESPN probably wouldn’t do much reporting on it.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
It will be fun to listen to KK preview the k-State game this week
without talking about us.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
Harry sort of called him out during his breakdown too
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
KK is sure pushing this "Big XII is more stable than SEC" line
Kevin, the SEC doesn’t need golden handcuffs because no one wants to leave that conference. Trust doesn’t come from the barrel of a gun.
so a conference that was formed in 96
that has lost 1/3 of its teams (assuming we leave) in that time is more stable than a conference that’s had its current membership since ‘91, hasn’t lost a member since 1966 and is adding 2 more. That’s solid.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
Pablo Escobar is very interested in this concept
and would like to subscribe to your newsletter…
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
Only if we're 5-7?
Like if we go 4-8 still worth talking about?
if we are 5-7
the season is over and we didn’t make a bowl game. Why would he talk about us? Weird.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
FINEBAUM FINEBAUM FINEBAUM
Dave Matter is on NOW:
http://www.finebaum.com/home.asp
http://www.finebaum.com/home.asp
http://www.finebaum.com/home.asp
click “Listen Now” in upper left
Finebaum was not all hating on Missouri today.
Hmm. Did someone make him coffee cake this morning?
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
I tried to make him coffee but ran out of time.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
by mizzou2396 on Oct 5, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I didn't know if that was accepted in the SEC culture
apparently it’s a totally different world down there. Does anyone know if they speak English? What do they call lunch?
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
I'm pretty sure it's still lunch.
Though I’ve heard people up here in the norther half of the state refer to supper exclusively as “dinner.”
someone told me in the south they call lunch supper.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
That would be odd.
I’ve always used dinner to mean lunch or supper, usually a special version of either meal.
to me dinner is the meal at the end of the day.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
so you think Matthew McCannahey (I have no idea how to spell that dude's name and I'm not looking it up)
is suggesting that I eat a T-bone steak for lunch? Beef it’s what’s for dinner.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
I have had steak for lunch.
Those are usually somewhat special lunches, though, which fits my usage.
well aren't you special
la de da your majest. How about eating some Roman Noddles as a meal? More champagne sir? I bet you’re so fancy that you’ve been to a dentist this year.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
As a matter of fact, I'll be going to my SECOND dentist appointment of the year next month.
And yes, serf, I would like more champagne.
2 dentist trips in 1 year and you call me a Yankee?!?!
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
no,
it’s Ramen Noodles, which run about $0.20 per package. I did a double typo the other day and called the Roman Noddles instead of Ramen Noodles.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
It's Ramen with spaghetti sauce.
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
by Kpz1234 on Oct 5, 2011 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I've never heard 'supper' used for lunch
But people use ‘dinner’ all the time instead of lunch all over the south. Not in an office though, so it must only be if you’re like sitting down at somebody’s house for lunch? I haven’t quite gotten it scientifically figured out.
Supper is the evening meal, although dinner can be too.
by u2nspenserfan on Oct 5, 2011 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
gotcha
I don’t like it. Dinner is at night. Lunch is during the day. Supper is during Matlock. If you don’t watch Matlock, you can’t have supper.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
by mizzou2396 on Oct 5, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
My wife's family - from Southern Illinois
uses Dinner for lunch, sometimes. I am pretty sure it depends on what you’re eating. If you’re having a sandwich and some chips, it’s lunch. If you’re having lasagne, it’s dinner.
For me, dinner will always be interchangeable with Supper, and will take place as the evening meal.
Rational Mizzou Talk, whether you like us or not.
My grandpa
had four meals during the summer when I worked on his farm growing up
- Breakfast (duh)
- Dinner (noon meal, at the house)
- Lunch (5:00pm, Grandma would bring a big sandwich and a tall glass bottled pepsi out to the field you’re working in)
- Supper (9:00pm, after you’d come in from the field)
Not much more rewarding than a long hard day on the farm and four good home-cooked meals.
/nostalgia
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
Dinner is the large meal
if at mid-day, then you have supper later.
If at the end of the day, preceded by lunch.
Lunch is in the middle of the day.
Dinner is at the end of the day.
What the hell is this “supper” you speak of?
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 5, 2011 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
They have supper
at the supermarket.
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
Sunday sit-down meal with the family at mid-day is Dinner.
Mid-day meal at the office is lunch.
"So I want everybody to think here for a second, how much does this game mean to you? 'Cause if it means something to you, you can't stand still. You understand? You play fast! You play strong! You go out there and dominate the man you're playing against, and you make his ass quit! That's our trademark! That's our M.O.... as a team! That's what people know us as!" - Coach Nick Saban before the 2008 LSU game.
by 12NationalChampionships on Oct 5, 2011 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Give him time.
King of all trolls, and I mean that in a complimentary way. He’s absolutely brilliant at it.
RockMNation.com (@rockmnation)
Fighting mob mentality since 2007
by RPT on Oct 5, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm calling in and telling him that I removed the dissecants from the Bama bookstore
those clothes won’t last 5 years without them!
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
just to make sure you guys know
Finebaum is a bama/auburn idiot fringe thing. Most other fanbases don’t listen and only a minority of bama/auburn people do. Its kind of like watching Springer vs being on Springer.
by Mark Mandingo on Oct 5, 2011 2:38 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
obviously
A lot of people listen, but just for laughs. I guess that’s what I meant.
by Mark Mandingo on Oct 5, 2011 2:40 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh, I don't take anything he says seriously.
Just listening to the callers and trying to picture them in their natural habitat is entertaining enough.
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
I'm just sensitive
to the perception that finebaum is an sec thing. Its not. Its an alabama-auburn show. Don’t get me wrong, we all have our media trolls, but I don’t wanna get the blame for somebody else’s. It would be like you guys getting saddled with some Oklahoma city media troll when he’s strictly their troll.
by Mark Mandingo on Oct 5, 2011 4:05 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh, that's Barry Tramel.
But he’s a Mizzou alum, I think.
Normally our J-School mafia takes good care of us.
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
Ok seriously.....
“The University of Missouri hopes to join the Southeastern Conference but would have preferred an offer from the Big Ten that never came, a school official told The Associated Press.”
Yep, the Vice President of Custodial Services at Jesse Hall said that.
Enough with the anonymous sources… not criticizing you, Tyler, just the media.
by u2nspenserfan on Oct 5, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly..
I’m not trying to stir stuff…. It’s just humorous to me how ridiculous the media is about this right now. I heard the school official was Jay Nixon disguised as the VP of Custodial services actually.
Can someone find this guy, slap him in the face, fire him, and tell him to STFU?
“A University of Missouri official says the school hopes to join the Southeastern Conference but would have preferred an offer from the Big Ten that never came.”
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
I like him.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
As someone else noted... "WUT"
@BlairKerkhoff:SEC ADs discuss 13-team not 14-team FB skeds for next year at meeting www.al.com/sports
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
Lots of double speak going on right now
I wouldn’t read anything into it at this point.
But if they do deny us, did we get Mizzou’d or Oklahoma’d?
That meeting...
That meeting has been planed for a few weeks now and their only topic up to that point was aTm and next year’s schedule, I wouldn’t read into that at all.
playing with 13
is fine for a year. I don’t think that the deal has to get done in time for next year. As long as we have an answer from Mizzou relatively soon (2 or 3 months), the sec would wait a year. But nobody really wants to play for more than a year with 13. No matter what they say.
by Mark Mandingo on Oct 5, 2011 4:34 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I doubt very much it will take Mizzou 2 or 3 months to give an answer
how long it takes for the SEC to accept and finalize is another story
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
Question
am i the only one dreading / waiting for us to F* this up somehow? or for someone to sabotage it?
As they say in my business…..the fact that you are paranoid does not mean that there are not people out to get you….

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