Study Hall: Mizzou 83, SEMO 68
Your Trifecta: Ratliffe-Denmon-English. Your winner: nobody. Getting the season off on the right foot. Leave your Trifecta picks for tonight's game in comments below.
For a semi-easy season opener, this game came with a decent amount of regret.
You get yourself into trouble sometimes when you get starry eyes. Mike Anderson, sensing that recruiting was on the upswing, appeared to get a bit excited about recruiting success following the 2009-10 season. Tony Mitchell was signed and sealed (but not delivered, obviously). Recruitment of Ricardo Ratliffe was looking good. Phil Pressey's brother wanted to come aboard. The 2010-11 team was taking shape beautifully on paper. And at some point after Missouri's loss to West Virginia, Mike Anderson apparently told Tyler Stone that he would probably never play much in black and gold, and he should seriously think about transferring (or some variation of that)*.
At the time, it seemed like a justifiable, if cruel-hearted move. Mitchell, Ratliffe, etc., were on their way to Columbia, John Underwood was showing serious defensive potential and Otto Porter was on the horizon. Mizzou had plenty of bigs, and with Stone still likely a year or two from becoming a serious contributor (if he was ever going to at all), pushing him out the door made sense. Of course, when you go out of your way to talk about how your team is your "family," and you brag about your program's "family environment" as much as Anderson did, it probably isn't a good idea to go against your ideals too much, or else it will come back to bite you.
Now, in 2011-12, it has indeed bitten Missouri. The Tigers enter the season with eight healthy scholarship players, three over 6'6. Laurence Bowers is hurt, Underwood transferred, Tony Mitchell never made it to campus and Otto Porter is suiting up for Georgetown. The Tigers are woefully undersized, and they began the new season by welcoming Stone and his SEMO Redhawks to town. Missouri won, yes, but they barely broke even on the boards ... and Stone scored 18 points and grabbed six boards. Of course, Anderson ducked out the back door before this relative karma could take hold, but it has bitten his former team nonetheless.
There is nothing saying that Stone is any better than Kadeem Green, or that Frank Haith would trust him to play more than about eight minutes per game if he were still in the black and gold this season. But Stone's game was a nice reminder of what might happen if you abandon your core values because you got starry eyes, and what could happen when Missouri plays teams with both size and talent in 2011-12.
* Fun tidbit: the writer of the "Tyler Stone's mother is angry" story is the same AP writer who found the "SEC? Pssh. They're the backup option; we still want the Big Ten" source a few weeks ago. He seems to have no trouble rooting around to find a source willing to embarrass Mizzou at times. (Of course, Mizzou is more than willing to embarrass itself at times, no matter the AP writer.)
Mizzou 83, SEMO 68
| Mizzou |
SEMO | |
| Pace (No. of Possessions) |
68.1 |
|
| Points Per Minute |
2.08 |
1.70 |
| Points Per Possession (PPP) |
1.22 |
1.00 |
| Points Per Shot (PPS) |
1.43 |
1.19 |
| 2-PT FG% | 50.0% |
50.0% |
| 3-PT FG% | 37.5% |
36.4% |
| FT% | 85.2% |
66.7% |
| True Shooting % | 59.4% |
53.5% |
| Mizzou | SEMO | |
| Assists | 11 |
12 |
| Steals | 7 |
4 |
| Turnovers | 10 |
14 |
| Ball Control Index (BCI) (Assists + Steals) / TO |
1.80 |
1.14 |
| Mizzou | SEMO | |
| Expected Offensive Rebounds | 12 |
12 |
| Offensive Rebounds | 11 |
9 |
| Difference | -1 |
-3 |
This game took shape like a lot of Missouri games will this year, I think. Mizzou fought as hard as they could to break even on the glass, keeping as many players as possible back to rebound (Phil Pressey had six) at the expense of some transition opportunities. They attacked the rim and drew enough fouls to get to the free throw line a lot, and they made their free throws. Kim English stepped up with Marcus Denmon in the backcourt, and Ricardo Ratliffe did just enough damage underneath. This was a tighter game than I would have liked, but some of that credit goes to SEMO's own athleticism.
Mizzou Player Stats
(Definitions at the bottom of the post.)
| Player |
AdjGS | GmSc/Min | Line |
| Ricardo Ratliffe |
23.2 |
0.89 |
26 Min, 20 Pts (8-12 FG, 4-4 FT), 8 Reb (3 Off), 2 Blk |
| Marcus Denmon |
22.6 |
0.65 |
35 Min, 20 Pts (6-14 FG, 1-4 3PT, 7-7 FT), 8 Reb (2 Off), 3 Stl |
| Kim English |
12.4 |
0.36 |
34 Min, 19 Pts (6-14 FG, 5-9 3PT, 2-3 FT), 5 Reb (2 Off), 2 TO |
| Mike Dixon |
9.4 |
0.35 |
27 Min, 8 Pts (0-3 FG, 0-2 3PT, 8-8 FT), 4 Ast, 3 Reb, 2 Stl, 3 TO |
| Phil Pressey |
4.3 |
0.13 |
33 Min, 10 Pts (4-11 FG, 0-1 3PT, 2-5 FT), 6 Reb, 3 Ast, 3 TO |
| Matt Pressey |
4.0 |
0.17 |
23 Min, 2 Pts (1-2 FG), 3 Reb, 2 Ast |
| Kadeem Green |
3.6 |
0.45 |
8 Min, 2 Pts (1-1 FG), 2 Reb |
| Steve Moore |
2.6 |
0.22 |
12 Min, 2 Pts (1-1 FG), 2 Blk |
| Andy Rosburg |
0.0 |
0.00 |
1 possession, no touches |
| Jarrett Sutton |
0.0 |
0.00 |
1 possession, no touches |
- The key for Missouri in 2011-12 is going to be a) Ratliffe and Denmon having nice games and b) a third player joining them in the scoring column. In exhibition season, that third player was Mike Dixon; on Friday night it was Kim English. It doesn't really matter who does the damage, so long as somebody does the damage.
- This game saw the most Matt Pressey-esque stat line ever (iffy shooting from the field, lots and lots of free throws and a couple of steals), but it came from Mike Dixon.
- I found it interesting that Moore and Green only combined for 20 minutes. I know Kim English is indeed going to get a lot of time at the 4-spot this year, but I still expected 25-30 minutes per game from Moore/Green.
| Player | Usage% | Floor% | Touches/ Poss. |
%Pass | %Shoot | %Fouled | %T/O |
| Ratliffe |
28% |
58% |
2.5 |
26% |
53% |
16% |
4% |
| Denmon |
24% |
44% |
1.7 |
0% |
69% |
31% |
0% |
| English |
26% |
35% |
1.6 |
0% |
75% |
14% |
11% |
| Dixon |
18% |
37% |
4.0 |
64% |
8% |
19% |
8% |
| P. Pressey |
25% |
32% |
3.2 |
49% |
30% |
12% |
8% |
| M. Pressey |
4% |
62% |
1.8 |
85% |
15% |
0% |
0% |
| Green |
6% |
100% |
0.4 |
0% |
100% |
0% |
0% |
| Moore |
8% |
56% |
1.9 |
75% |
13% |
0% |
13% |
I have created the above table enough now (since the beginning of last season, I believe) to get a decent understanding of what numbers typically result in quality Mizzou play. For example...
Marcus Denmon's Usage% needs to be 23% or higher. (Against SEMO: Yes!)
Kim English's %T/O needs to be at 10% or lower. (No.)
Kim English's Floor% should be at 35% or higher. (Yes!)
Ricardo Ratliffe's %Fouled should be at least 10%. (Yes!)
Phil Pressey's Touches/Possession need to be 3.5 or better. (No.)
Mike Dixon's %Pass should be 55% or higher. (Yes!)
Steve Moore's Touches/Possession should be at least 1.0. (Yes!)
Mizzou went 5-for-7 in these seven items. Really, I should track these from game-to-game, as I'm pretty sure Mizzou will win most of the time if they nail at least four of these.
Summary
This wasn't an amazingly impressive win, and as mentioned above, it came with at least a small twinge of regret, but it was still a 15-point win. It doesn't take too long to survey the country and find a lot of teams that did worse than this in their opener. (Kansas State, Oklahoma and Vanderbilt, to name three. Vanderbilt not only struggled, but got pounded by Cleveland State.) Just survive early on while you're figuring out who you are.
Mizzou gets an incredibly strange test tonight from the Mercer Bears. Mercer's starting line up is as follows:
- Langston Hall (6'4, 180, So.)
- Bud Thomas (6'6, 200, So.)
- Jakob Gollon (6'6, 200, So.)
- Justin Cecil (6'8, 225, Sr.)
- Daniel Coursey (6'11, 220, So.)
That is a loooooooooong starting lineup. They are by no means a great basketball team -- they are quite young, they went 15-18 last year, and they beat Emory by just nine points to start their season on Saturday -- but they are not lacking in size. One would hope that Mizzou will find a way to win, but even if they win easily, this game will still represent a nice test for the undersized Tigers.
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AdjGS: a take-off of the Game Score metric (definition here) accepted by a lot of basketball stat nerds. It takes points, assists, rebounds (offensive & defensive), steals, blocks, turnovers and fouls into account to determine an individual's "score" for a given game. The "adjustment" in Adjusted Game Score is simply matching the total game scores to the total points scored in the game, thereby redistributing the game's points scored to those who had the biggest impact on the game itself, instead of just how many balls a player put through a basket.
Usage%: This "estimates the % of team possessions a player consumes while on the floor" (via). The usage of those possessions is determined via a formula using field goal and free throw attempts, offensive rebounds, assists and turnovers. The higher the number, the more prevalent a player is (good or bad) in a team's offensive outcome. As you would expect, someone like Kim English has a high Usage%, while Steve Moore has an extremely low one.
Floor%: Via Basketball-Reference.com: Floor % answers the question, "when Player X uses a possession, what is the probability that his team scores at least 1 point?". The higher the Floor%, the more frequently the team probably scores when the given player is involved.
Touches/Possession: Using field goal attempts, free throw attempts, assists and turnovers, Touches attempt to estimate "the number of times a player touched the ball in an attacking position on the floor." Take the estimated touches and divide it by the estimated number of possessions for which a player was on the court, and you get a rough idea of how many times a player touched the ball in a given possession. For point guards, you'll see the number in the 3-4 range. For shooting guards and wings, 2-3. For Steve Moore, 1.30. You get the idea.
Anyway, using the Touches figure, we can estimate the percentage of time a player "in an attacking position" passes, shoots, turns the ball over, or gets fouled.
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T-t-t-t-trifecta
Denmon
PPressey
Ratliffe
by Transmogrified Tiger on Nov 14, 2011 11:10 AM CST reply actions
denmon, rattlife, dixon
Rangers | Mizzou | Stars | Steelers | Lakers
by Jason Brynsvold on Nov 14, 2011 11:12 AM CST reply actions
Your Dreifecta sure to fail
Denmon
English
Ratliffe
Upholding fine Mizzou traditions in Maryland.
MvP, RoC official Nemesis
That same AP writer is the sh**-starter that is spearheading the "athletes should get paid" movement as well.
He is not a favorite among college administrators across the nation, as his only motivation seems to be to start as much sh** as he can, wherever he is (regardless of the issue).
You will notice that none of his stories have comments directly attributed to college administrators, as no one wants to attach their name to his shoddy “journalism.” His entire beat consits of anonymous sources, and people who have an axe to grind.
This is not a commnent on the pay for play issue...
just an observation of fact that he is an asshat of a writer.
It's a game where everyone picks three players that they think will do the best according to the box score
and then Bill C invents some statistics to tell you how you lost. It’s a miserably fun game.
Top Heavy Beer Drinker
by DnrW on Nov 14, 2011 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm referring to bouncey squeak hoops
what is?
by SEC Supremacist on Nov 14, 2011 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
it's the thing that justifies Kentucky being allowed to stay in the conference.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
Then what's vandy doing there?
by SEC Supremacist on Nov 14, 2011 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
They swing bats at small white balls. And do academics real well, particularly that Chinese math thing.
Never Forget Wolf Island, or pie.
Kentucky = the new ku
by Spider_Monkey on Nov 14, 2011 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
It's what Missouri is going to win a National Championship in once we storm your sorry conference
GO GO FIGHTING METH AGGIES!
Yes, but only because of Wolf Island and the fact that they have ku in their name.
Never Forget Wolf Island, or pie.
Kentucky = the new ku
by Spider_Monkey on Nov 14, 2011 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure Bill just assigns random numbers to the players after the fact in order to screw up the trifecta picks.
GO GO FIGHTING METH AGGIES!
by Gaknar on Nov 14, 2011 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
new to this trifecter thing
which stats?
by MIZZOUfaninAZ on Nov 14, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
Just one, AdjGS
Bill has a quick primer at the bottom of this post.
by Transmogrified Tiger on Nov 14, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
TRI-FECTA
DENMON – CARDO – ENGLISH
(As a side note – I accidentally typed Bowers into both the 2nd and 3rd spot… This might happen every game this season)
Top Heavy Beer Drinker
You all make it hard for a plausible unique oddman pick.
But I will try with;
Dixson, Pressey, English.
by McZou on Nov 14, 2011 12:19 PM CST via mobile reply actions
i thin it was determined you can't double-dip on the pressey name, you have to pick one.
Mercilessly persecuted for my opinion of Gus Johnson since Fall, 2011.
by threadkiller on Nov 14, 2011 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
*think* /idiot.
Mercilessly persecuted for my opinion of Gus Johnson since Fall, 2011.
by threadkiller on Nov 14, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
Typos drive me insane as I let them happen far too frequently.
Working 7 days a week, 12-18 a day is a sore spot enough as to what my college education was wasted for. Typos just make me look dumb. After a while, I just get complacent and say “oh well” and go to rockchalk or ESPN.com and I instantly feel a bit more intelligent.
by McZou on Nov 14, 2011 1:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd . . .
. . . for the RockChalk/ESPN comment, I have felt the same way more than once. That is why I seldom wander off RMN anymore.
Go Mizzou!
Should've purchased a lottery ticket.
by McZou on Nov 14, 2011 9:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
'Fecta
Denmon
Dixon
Ratliffe
What do Tigers dream of when they take a little Tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling Jayhawks, Or Todd Reesing in his sod helmet suit? Don’t you get in a self-loathing funk, We’re gonna start this party with a Lawrence Bowers dunk, And then we’re gonna find Kimmeh’s shot too, And bring a victory back to the Zou! Zou, Zou, oh back to the Zou! But if we keep shooting the three like we have been… Then we’re shit outta luck
Well, apparently our first game was enough
to bump us up a spot in the polls (not that I thought we deserved the 25th pre-season ranking anyway).
trifececta
ratcliff
denmon
english
Mercilessly persecuted for my opinion of Gus Johnson since Fall, 2011.
Trifectage
English
Denmon
Ratliffe
Mostly on the strength of Twitter.
Cheering on the Mizzou Tigers in TX since 2011. Also the San Jose Sharks.
Keion Bell would need to be in that Trifecta, somehow.
Underrated Twtitter-er.
Bet me!
by TigerBartender on Nov 14, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
Along with rebounding, cheap, ticky-tack fouls
on the part of our big men are going to be our undoing this year unless Haith can really drive that point home with Cardo, Moore, and Green. They have to play smarter under the basket.
Anderson’s teams made up their chronic rebounding deficits by forcing more turnovers (at least they did when the fastest 40 was functioning properly). I don’t know how Haith’s version is going to mitigate their inferior rebounding once league play starts. Coming up -8 on the boards, with big men in foul trouble, on the road = a really diminished chance at winning.
I’ve been worried by what I’ve seen so far in exhibition play and in this game. But, then again, a lot of teams played surprisingly close exhibitions this year, and few teams actually lost, so maybe it’s just more parity across college basketball as a whole. Still, when Big 12 play starts up, the competition is going to be a lot stiffer. Mizzou’s got plenty of time to work it out before league play starts, I guess. And I’ve been heartened by our guards effort on the boards thus far. Still, there’s only so much the backcourt can do. The big men have to clean it up or we’re an NIT team.
Not a knock on Bill
but sabermetric-style basketball analysis is still in its infancy, and I think a lot of it is too clever by half.
Historically, the statistical categories most associated with appearances in the final four are rebounding margin, field goal percentage defense, and field goal percentage offense. Do well in those three categories as a team, and you’re going to win a lot of games. I’m not sure how instructive some of these sabery-type stats like BCI really are. Still, it’s thoughtful, interesting analysis, and you can’t hate on a brotha for trying to break new statistical ground.
Actually, BCI is a pretty good stat. I think I forget what it meant from last year, and after taking a moment to review it, I shall hereby purchase my own egg to smear on my face.
From that NYTimes article:
<"It’s a different mind-set of getting turnovers or forcing the opponent to take a difficult, contested shot," Thompson said by way of explanation.
Huggins said, "To force turnovers, you’ve got to get extended, and when you get extended, that opens up driving lanes."
The statistics suggest a team must play one style of defense or the other, and it’s wiser to choose the kind that limits the opponent’s field goal percentage. In the last 10 years, the only Final Four team to rank in the top 50 in defensive turnover percentage was Duke in 2004 (24th).
Besides field goal percentage defense, there are two more team statistics highly correlated to reaching the Final Four, both of which Huggins named as his keys to success before learning of the analysis results. They are assist-to-turnover ratio and rebounding margin. The average Final Four team ranks 46.5 for the former and 44.65 for the latter.
In fact, the team that ranked first nationally in rebounding margin has gone to the Final Four in 4 of the last 10 years, and of the 40 teams during that period, half ranked in the top 20, putting the median rank at 22.5.
When told field goal percentage defense, assist-to-turnover ratio and rebounding margin were the three statistics most correlated to reaching the Final Four, one program came to mind immediately for Wright.
"Look at UConn," he said. "That’s what they do every year."/blockquote>
The single game elimination really makes it a crapshoot
Just tally where the #1 seeds end up each year. I am not disagreeing with you that using some season stats is better than nothing, but I would really be surprised if any regression based on those stats have much predictive power.
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
First failfecta of the year
Soul Crusher
’Cardo
Kimmeh
Trifecta
Denmon
P. Pressey
English
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Interesting reminder of the Stone situation, Bill (rambling post ahead)
That summer, Miggy Paul transferred (of his own accord, from all sources), as did Stone (not of his own mind). They made room for Ricardo and Matt Pressey. If Stone hadn’t been pushed out the door, it makes me wonder who committed first: Cardo or Matt. Because if it was Ricardo who took Paul’s schollie, it doesn’t seem to make much sense. Cardo for Miguel is a significant upgrade, but…
Nothing against Matt Pressey right now, but I think that most Tiger fans would feel more comfortable with another player with Stone’s size rather than a glue-guy guard. Stone would be a Junior with two years in the program, but likely without much playing time up to date. However, he is clearly talented enough to contribute to a BCS conference team. Having three more years with Stone seems preferable to two years of Matt Pressey, in hindsight.
The Tigers are forced to trade off size for skill level, and it would likely be the same if they had Stone instead of Pressey. All things equal, we’d probably be complaining about lack of perimeter depth if our perimeter players were Denmon, Dixon, Pressey, and English this year, especially since we’d need three on the court at all times. However, our depth at 4 and 5 would be upgraded significantly.
Overall, trading a fifth guard who is not much of a natural scorer for a fourth post presence on an undersized team makes sense to me. But the only reason this all matters so much is because of Party Starter’s injury; otherwise, it’s probably completely forgotten and mostly irrelevant. This whole thing is an interesting study on the domino effects of what seem to be small actions over time.
Gotta love small favors to family and friends
by McZou on Nov 14, 2011 5:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Trifecta
Ratliffe
Denmon
English
(Dixon)*
*because tl;dr the comments and someone probably has the same
Tri, tri-again
Denmoney
Kimey
Ratliffey
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
'fecta
Ratliffe, Denmon, Dixon
I'm tell ya like the bath tub told the toilet stool, " I get as much ass as you but I don't have to take all that shit!"
-Dolemite
Are we running for double screens for shooters?
It’s been a few days, but I thought we set some up for Kim? I like the idea of having more set plays. O stagnation was my constant complaint vs. MA.
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
now that you mention it,
i remember them setting a couple for kimmie at the top of the key. seems like he was 1-2 on those attempts.
Mercilessly persecuted for my opinion of Gus Johnson since Fall, 2011.
by threadkiller on Nov 14, 2011 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
Another thought about last game.
Sorry to be a broken record, but I have to raise the pick and roll issue again. At first I was happy to see Flip using a pick. But after the big tree got switched on defending Flip, guess what? Flip passed the ball! I just don’t understand why Hermes would pass the ball when he could go around the tree 3 x’s before the tree ever flinched.
Flip – please, please, please, drive to the basket. Your speed kills.
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
I missed these
Ratliffe
Denmon
Phil Pressey
I'm Keyon Dooling in the body of a skinny white kid.
by ratherfantastic on Nov 14, 2011 5:14 PM CST reply actions

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