Know Your First Real Opponent Of 2010-11: Notre Dame
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Not only is Notre Dame an incredibly different team than they were last year (when they were a two-seed in the 2011 NCAA Tournament), but they're also a different team than they were last week and a different team than they will be next week. Will that stop me from previewing them with varying degrees of certainty? Of course not.
Notre Dame Fighting Irish (4-0)
| Irish |
Opp. | |
| Pace (No. of Possessions) |
65.2 | |
| Points Per Minute |
1.91 | 1.44 |
| Points Per Possession (PPP) |
1.17 | 0.88 |
| Points Per Shot (PPS) |
1.44 | 0.97 |
| 2-PT FG% | 48.9% | 39.5% |
| 3-PT FG% | 43.4% | 32.9% |
| FT% | 67.6% | 57.4% |
| True Shooting % | 58.7% | 44.5% |
| Irish | Opp. | |
| Assists/Gm | 18.0 | 13.0 |
| Steals/Gm | 5.0 | 4.8 |
| Turnovers/Gm | 10.5 | 12.5 |
| Ball Control Index (BCI) (Assists + Steals) / TO |
2.19 | 1.42 |
| Irish | Opp. | |
| Expected Off. Rebounds/Gm | 11.5 | 14.0 |
| Offensive Rebounds/Gm | 11.0 | 10.8 |
| Difference | -0.5 | -3.2 |
Thus far, Notre Dame has been a team in flux. Players like 6'5 point guard Jerian Grant and 6'5 freshman Pat Connaughton have been added to the rotation, while 6'9 juinor Jack Cooley and 6'7 sophomore Alex Dragicevich are taking on more prominent roles. Meanwhile, star guard Eric Atkins has missed two games to illness, and potential All-American Tim Abromaitis is making his debut tonight after having to sit the first four games with stupid eligibility issues. The lineups Notre Dame has produced thus far are not the same as they will be moving forward, but the flux has not prevented them from starting 4-0. The Irish have handled the ball well, shot well, and done good work on the defensive glass.
Ken Pomeroy Stats
| ND Offense vs MU Defense Ranks |
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| ND Offense | MU Defense | Advantage | |
| Efficiency | 15 | 43 | ND |
| Effective FG% | 51 | 150 | ND |
| Turnover % | 20 | 95 | ND |
| Off. Reb. % | 184 | 59 | MU Big |
| FTA/FGA | 54 | 16 | MU |
| MU Offense vs ND Defense Ranks |
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| MU Offense | ND Defense | Advantage | |
| Efficiency | 16 | 74 | MU |
| Effective FG% | 41 | 65 | MU |
| Turnover % | 13 | 261 | MU Big |
| Off. Reb. % | 192 | 46 | ND Big |
| FTA/FGA | 50 | 11 | ND |
Where the Irish are weakest
They are not great on the offensive glass (they aren't an enormous team -- their guards are long, but their bigs really aren't), and they force almost no turnovers. You are going to get a shot off against them, but it probably won't be a great one.
Where they are best
They do leverage you into reasonably poor shots (and like Mizzou*, they do so without fouling), and they pull down the rebound when you miss. They are decent on defense, but even without Abromaitis, they have been great on offense. They don't turn the ball over, and they take good shots.
Notre Dame's Season to Date
- Wins (Team Rank is from KenPom.com)
No. 69 Detroit (59-53)
No. 270 Sam Houston (74-41)
No. 277 Delaware State (93-69)
No. 284 Mississippi Valley State (80-67) - Losses
None
The Irish survived an interesting test from Detroit and hammered away at three cupcakes.
Notre Dame Player Stats
| Player | AdjGS*/Gm | GmSc/Min | Line |
| Tim Abromaitis (6'8, 236, Sr.) | N/A | N/A | LAST YEAR: 34.0 MPG, 15.4 PPG (48% 2PT, 43% 3PT, 78% FT), 6.1 RPG, 1.8 APG, 1.5 TOPG |
| Eric Atkins (6'1, 182, So.) | 19.1 | 0.50 | 38.0 MPG (2 games), 20.0 PPG (64% 2PT, 60% 3PT, 85% FT), 5.0 APG, 3.0 RPG, 3.5 TOPG |
| Jerian Grant (6'5, 195, So.) | 17.7 | 0.51 | 34.5 MPG, 14.0 PPG (56% 2PT, 69% 3PT, 66% FT), 5.3 APG, 3.5 RPG, 1.5 SPG, 1.3 TOPG |
| Pat Connaughtom (6'5, 206, Fr.) | 10.2 | 0.39 | 26.0 MPG, 11.3 PPG (56% 2PT, 44% 3PT, 75% FT), 6.3 RPG |
| Jack Cooley (6'9, 248, Jr.) | 9.2 | 0.39 | 23.5 MPG, 6.8 PPG (39% 2PT, 77% FT), 10.3 RPG, 2.0 APG, 2.5 TOPG |
| Alex Dragicevich (6'7, 221, So.) | 8.5 | 0.32 | 26.3 MPG, 8.5 PG (55% 2PT, 25% 3PT, 63% FT), 3.3 APG, 3.0 RPG |
| Scott Martin (6'8, 222, Sr.) | 7.8 | 0.23 | 34.5 MPG, 13.0 PPG (42% 2PT, 38% 3PT, 63% FT), 5.3 RPG, 1.5 APG, 2.0 TOPG |
| Joey Brooks (6'6, 220, Jr.) | 5.6 | 0.22 | 25.3 MPG, 7.3 PPG (29% 2PT, 50% 3PT, 53% FT), 4.7 RPG, 2.0 APG |
| Mike Broghammer (6'9, 265, Jr.) | 4.9 | 0.62 | 8.0 MPG, 4.3 PPG (73% 2PT, 25% FT), 2.3 RPG |
| Tom Knight (6'9, 250, Jr.) | 2.9 | 0.35 | 8.3 MPG, 3.3 PPG (50% 2PT), 1.0 RPG |
| Patrick Crowley (6'3, 190, So.) | -0.5 | -0.41 | 1.3 MPG |
* AdjGS = a take-off of the Game Score metric (definition here) accepted by a lot of basketball stat nerds. It redistributes a team's points based not only on points scored, but also by giving credit for assists, rebounds (offensive & defensive), steals, blocks, turnovers and fouls. It is a stat intended to determine who had the biggest overall impact on the game itself, instead of just how many balls a player put through a basket.
- Highest Usage%: Broghammer (23%), Martin (22%), Atkins (21%)
- Highest Floor%: Broghammer (56%), Grant (56%), Atkins (50%)
- Highest %Pass: Grant (76%), Dragicevich (69%), Atkins (66%)
- Highest %Shoot: Connaughton (57%), Martin (51%), Knight (49%)
- Highest %Fouled: Brooks (10%), Atkins (8%), Cooley (7%)
- Highest %T/O: Cooley (12%), Atkins (8%), Martin (8%)
- Thus far, Notre Dame has had no go-to guy -- it is rare for a team's highest Usage% to be just 23%. We'll see how that changes with Abromaitis re-entering the fray.
Keys to the Game
- Offensive Glass. Both teams have done well on the defensive glass so far ... and less so on the offensive glass. It is easy to see this turning into a jump-shooting contest with Marcus Denmon, Abromaitis, Kim English, Scott Martin, Mike Dixon, Connaughton, Phil Pressey and Dragicevich all bombing away from long-range. And who knows? Maybe it's easy enough to say that the team who shoots better on 3-pointers wins. But the other side of that is if one team is able to steal some possessions with offensive rebounds. Cooley is a monster in that regard, with a 42% Offensive Rebounding rate. Unfortunately for the Irish, only one other player is even at 9%. If Mizzou can get a body on Cooley, they should do pretty well, but that's a decent-sized if.
- Who The Hell Guards Abromaitis? Abromaitis' inside-outside presence would be a fascinating matchup with Laurence Bowers, but as we know, Bowers is out. Now, the matchup likely falls quite a bit to Kim English. In all, the perimeter matchups are odd, with Mizzou's smaller, quicker guards going up against a long-armed crew in Grant, Connaughton, Dragicevich, etc.
- Atkins Versus Flip Pressey. Assuming Eric Atkins is at full-speed tonight after his illness, he and Phil Pressey go at it in a really fun battle. Atkins has managed the rare 20 PPG-5 APG combo thus far, but he has also committed seven turnovers in two games; Flip, meanwhile, has a ridiculous 10 steals in three games. If one player gets the best of this matchup by a distant margin, it is hard to imagine his team losing.
Prediction
This is a decent first "real" game of the year for Missouri, simply because Notre Dame isn't amazingly big and physical. They have length on the perimeter, and they shoot well, and they should probably be favored because of it, but they are not all-world by any means. If Mizzou gets a home(esque) crowd like they did last year at the Sprint Center against Georgetown, then this could be a fantastic, and successful, game. Still, I think Notre Dame holds the slightest of edges on the glass and the slightest of edges overall. Give me Notre Dame 73, Mizzou 69, and as always, I'd be happy to be wrong.
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My refusal to pick Kimmie is inspiring him to play well, so
Denmon
Ratliffe
Flip
GO GO FIGHTING METH AGGIES!
First real opponent of 2011-12, actually
Denmon
English
P Pressey
Texas Rangers- 2010-11 AL Champs!
by TigerPride on Nov 21, 2011 2:27 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Trifecta!!
Denomn, Dixon, English.
Final Score 81-79 Missouri.
by Tigersintheheart on Nov 21, 2011 2:29 PM CST reply actions
10-11 retrofecta
Denmon
Flip
English
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.
what’s up copycat ooooh oh oh oooooh
(yes I know, yours appeared 3 seconds after I posted mine, and we’re allowed to have dupilcates anyway)
on mine it shows that you posted after the_k
/time travel burn
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
ho, weird
so mine showed a time stamp of 12:33 for me and 12:34 for the_k. Then I saw your post here and refreshed the page (because SBN sometimes plays silly buggers with these things), and now it has the_k’s in first, and the K’s time stamp is 12:32… So it actually time warped 2 minutes forward.
THAT is wacky.
interesting
mine showed 12:33 for the_k and then 12:34 for you and now it has the_k at 12:32 and you at 12:33. What are you going to do with the extra minute you got?
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
of course now we are going to have to hunt you down to steal the device.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
Indeed.
My guess is that SBN keeps one time stamp for its own internal record of the messages, but the auto-updating has your own local machine adding its own time stamps and ordering messages as they arrive into your browser. When you refresh you get the official version, until then you just have your browser trying to guess at things as the messages filter through.
But we’re still mugging the_k for the time machine though, right?
It would be irresponsible
not to pursue this lead on a time machine.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
Tri to guard this
Denmon
P. Press
Dixon
by CBonerfied on Nov 21, 2011 2:51 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Mama's in the house trifecta
1. Denmon
2. Cardo
3. Dixon
GO TIGERS!!!
by tigers and chiefs fan on Nov 21, 2011 2:54 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Tri as I might..my picks will most likely be wrong
PPressey
Denmon
English
Trifecta
English
Denmon
M. Pressey
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Nov 21, 2011 3:02 PM CST reply actions
I'm not feeling good about this one
Even though Notre Dame hasn’t been good on the offensive glass this year it just seems like they are going to dominate us on boards if Ratliffe doesn’t seriously step his game up
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?
John Wooden
by lost..in the woods on Nov 21, 2011 3:08 PM CST reply actions
I’m not overly optimistic either, but it seems like they are not that well equipped to exploit our biggest weakness (L.bow’s knee). So it’ll maybe be a guard-on-guard game, and we ain’t so bad at that.
Well boy was I wrong
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?
John Wooden
by lost..in the woods on Nov 22, 2011 5:53 PM CST up reply actions
my 4
Denmon
Ratliffe
English
Beef in an apron:

Upholding fine Mizzou traditions in Maryland.
MvP, RoC official Nemesis
Superfecta Gaurd Edition
Denmon
Dixon
P Pressey
English
Tri
Rossberg
Feldmann
Sutton
Yeah that’s right!
by MizzouRugby on Nov 21, 2011 3:41 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Trifecta
Ratliffe
Denmon
English
Cheering on the Mizzou Tigers in TX since 2011. Also the San Jose Sharks.
this is a Most "DEF" pick.
Never Forget Wolf Island, or pie; it's vaguely sordid.
"'cheesecake is an awesome pie" per mizzou2396 Nov 17, 2011 2:14 PM
by Spider_Monkey on Nov 21, 2011 6:11 PM CST up reply actions
as opposed to the "stone cold lead pipe lock"
I believe in the The Black & Gold Standard
I also lick rocks in Arizona
i'm sorry for having made you a bit dumber.
In love with the new Gaknar avatar.
by threadkiller on Nov 21, 2011 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
What strikes me is how nearly identical the Pomeroy profiles for these two teams is
I pasted Bills numbers above into Excel.

The two blue lines (both teams offense) are nearly identical, and 3 out of 5 elements for the red lines match too. The only real difference between the teams is that ND defends against field goals a fair bit better, but they are miserably worse at defending against turnovers.
Really, looking at these two charts it’s just uncanny how much the same team they are… at least according to Pomeroy.
Canadian nerd.
the iciest of nerds
Never Forget Wolf Island, or pie; it's vaguely sordid.
"'cheesecake is an awesome pie" per mizzou2396 Nov 17, 2011 2:14 PM
by Spider_Monkey on Nov 21, 2011 6:13 PM CST up reply actions
Annnnd I feel good about this game.
If it comes down to our guards vs. their guards, I’ll take Mizzou every time.
Looks like their guards are about equally good at all the same stuff as our guards (see graph a few spots above).
It’s gonna be…. interesting.
Should be an extremely entertaining game!
Haith needs a win like this to get TigerNation to believe!
GAH
I think I’m going to be depressed about Bowers all season long
I believe in the The Black & Gold Standard
I also lick rocks in Arizona
It will get better.
And seeing him next year will be really great.
by tigers and chiefs fan on Nov 21, 2011 4:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
We'll see.
MU hasn’t had to establish Cardo inside yet to win, and they probably won’t have to tonight, either, though Abromaitis will cause some headaches. That situation is going to come home to roost, though. Not tonight, but soon. We’re gonna lose a lot of games if Cardo doesn’t perfect his ability to draw contact and hit the boards—without fouling. He’s shown zero progress in those respects so far. Them Mizzou guards sure iz good, though.
Trifecta
Denmon
Pressey
English
Umm, sure.
"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."
twitter @sirensofsilence
by sirensofsilence on Nov 21, 2011 5:48 PM CST reply actions
Err, P Press
"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."
twitter @sirensofsilence
by sirensofsilence on Nov 21, 2011 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
Trifecta
Paul Pressey
Tyler Stone’s dad
My dad
trifecta
Ricardo
Denmon
Phil Pressey
by Monkeypox on Nov 21, 2011 6:00 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Trifecta
Denmon
Dixon
P. Pressey
I'm tell ya like the bath tub told the toilet stool, " I get as much ass as you but I don't have to take all that shit!"
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