Study Hall: Mizzou 87, Notre Dame 58
Your Trifecta: Denmon-PPressey-Ratliffe. Your Winner: Team! Two winners in a row! One more, and I'll have to turn this into a Superfecta competition...
Top Ten Mizzou Performances Since The Elite Eight Run
1. 11/21/2011: Mizzou 87, Notre Dame 58
2. 12/30/2010: Mizzou 81, Old Dominion 58
3. 1/17/2011: Mizzou 75, Kansas State 59
4. 12/5/2009: Mizzou 106, Oregon 69
5. 1/2/2010: Mizzou 89, Georgia 61
6. 12/23/2009: Mizzou 81, Illinois 68
7. 2/17/2010: Mizzou 82, Texas 77
8. 1/30/2010: Mizzou 95, Oklahoma State 80
9. 3/19/2010: Mizzou 86, Clemson 78
10. 11/22/2010: Mizzou 75, Illinois 64
No, we do not know just how good (or not) that Notre Dame is just yet. And no, we don't even know if Mizzou will beat California tonight (losing would cast at least a slight pall on this win, I would think). But in terms of expectations, reality and aesthetics, Mizzou's win last night was probably the most exhilarating of the past 2+ seasons. It was something special. And unlike the rest of the top five above, it took place away from Mizzou Arena.
Mizzou 87, Notre Dame 58
| Mizzou |
Irish | |
| Pace (No. of Possessions) |
68.5 |
|
| Points Per Minute |
2.18 |
1.45 |
| Points Per Possession (PPP) |
1.27 |
0.85 |
| Points Per Shot (PPS) |
1.58 |
1.07 |
| 2-PT FG% | 61.4% |
42.1% |
| 3-PT FG% | 45.5% |
25.0% |
| FT% | 85.7% |
73.7% |
| True Shooting % | 67.7% |
46.5% |
| Mizzou | Irish | |
| Assists | 12 |
8 |
| Steals | 10 |
5 |
| Turnovers | 8 |
13 |
| Ball Control Index (BCI) (Assists + Steals) / TO |
2.75 |
1.00 |
| Mizzou | Irish | |
| Expected Offensive Rebounds | 9 |
13 |
| Offensive Rebounds | 4 |
5 |
| Difference | -5 |
-8 |
Ten Steals!
This was one of the best full games of on-ball defending I've seen from Mizzou, especially when J.T. Tiller wasn't involved. We'll see how he does against quicker guards in the future, but he gave every Notre Dame point guard nightmares last night. Meanwhile, Mike Dixon and Marcus Denmon were ferocious and fast on the wing as well.
Splash
I think it's safe to say that Missouri won't lose much when posting a True Shooting Percentage of 67.7%. Denmon and Ricardo Ratliffe couldn't miss for the game's first 30 minutes, and really, only Dixon and Matt Pressey shot poorly at all. That Mizzou was able to shoot so well despite those two going 5-for-17 is ... wow.
Mizzou Player Stats
(Definitions at the bottom of the post.)
| Player |
AdjGS | GmSc/Min | Line |
| Marcus Denmon |
22.2 |
0.89 |
25 Min, 26 Pts (9-11 FG, 2-3 3PT, 6-7 FT), 4 Reb |
| Phil Pressey |
18.4 |
0.56 |
33 Min, 17 Pts (6-10 FG, 1-2 3PT, 4-4 FT), 4 Reb, 2 Ast, 2 Stl |
| Ricardo Ratliffe |
15.0 |
0.71 |
21 Min, 12 Pts (6-9 FG), 8 Reb, 2 Ast, 2 Stl |
| Kim English |
13.8 |
0.41 |
34 Min, 10 Pts (4-5 FG, 2-2 3PT), 6 Reb, 4 Ast, 2 Stl, 2 Blk, 3 TO |
| Steve Moore |
5.3 |
0.33 |
16 Min, 4 Pts (1-2 FG, 2-2 FT), 2 Reb, 2 Blk |
| Matt Pressey |
4.2 |
0.18 |
23 Min, 7 Pts (2-7 FG, 0-1 3PT, 3-4 FT), 5 Reb |
| Kadeem Green |
4.0 |
0.50 |
8 Min, 5 Pts (1-1 FG, 3-4 FT), 2 Reb |
| Mike Dixon |
2.9 |
0.09 |
34 Min, 6 Pts (3-10 FG, 0-3 3PT), 5 Reb, 2 Ast, 2 Stl, 2 TO |
| Jarrett Sutton |
0.0 |
0.00 |
4 Min |
| Andy Rosburg |
0.0 |
0.00 |
2 Min |
- Marcus Denmon is just so good at creating good shots for himself at this point. He still never dominates the ball, and he works within the flow of the offense, but all I can say is, every shot he took, I thought it was going in. And most of them did.
- We know the occasional downside that comes with handing your offense over to a still-young Phil Pressey. Last night, however, we saw the upside. Never mind the ridiculous defense, Pressey also posted two assists with no turnovers and averaged 1.7 points per shot. As a guide, we'll just say that anything over about 1.3 is good for a point guard. He made his free throws, nailed some open shots, and randomly exploded to the rim. This was not Good Flip, this was The Best Flip.
- Other than the fact that he drew no fouls, this was a damn fine version of Ricardo Ratliffe as well. When those little mini-hooks go in, Mizzou is tough to stop. And it was nice to see him return and play well after getting dinged up in the first half and spawning a mini-panic attack in the live thread.
- In terms of pure efficiency, this may have been Kim English's best game in a while too. He took and made open shots, he rebounded with attitude, and he passed about as well as he ever has. He did still have three turnovers, but you're allowed three turnovers when you have four assists, two blocks and two steals, and you shoot well.
- Steve Moore and Kadeem Green: 24 minutes, nine points (2-for-3 FG, 5-for-6 FT), four rebounds, two blocks, one turnover. It probably goes without saying that we would happily take that most nights.
- Dixon and Big Pressey were both liabilities at times on offense (if such a thing can exist on a night in which you average almost 1.3 points per possession), but they contributed to the air of complete chaos on the 3-point line. Fair trade.
| Player | Usage% | Floor% | Touches/ Poss. |
%Pass | %Shoot | %Fouled | %T/O |
| Denmon |
33% |
65% |
2.1 |
0% |
63% |
31% |
6% |
| P. Pressey |
20% |
59% |
2.2 |
47% |
40% |
12% |
0% |
| Ratliffe |
24% |
67% |
2.9 |
57% |
43% |
0% |
0% |
| English |
13% |
56% |
2.8 |
75% |
16% |
0% |
10% |
| Moore |
13% |
45% |
1.9 |
57% |
19% |
15% |
10% |
| M. Pressey |
23% |
32% |
2.2 |
35% |
41% |
18% |
6% |
| Green |
19% |
60% |
1.5 |
0% |
25% |
75% |
0% |
| Dixon |
20% |
27% |
2.1 |
50% |
42% |
0% |
8% |
To the checklist!
Marcus Denmon's Usage% needs to be 23% or higher. (Yes!)
Kim English's %T/O needs to be at 10% or lower. (Yes!)
Kim English's Floor% should be at 35% or higher. (Yes!)
Ricardo Ratliffe's %Fouled should be at least 10%. (No.)
Phil Pressey's Touches/Possession need to be 3.5 or better. (No.)
Mike Dixon's %Pass should be 55% or higher. (No.)
Steve Moore's Touches/Possession should be at least 1.0. (Yes!)
Mizzou only got four of seven here, which I consider a good thing, as it is proof that Mizzou's upside is even higher than what they showed last night. The Tigers got into a bit of foul trouble (which would have cost them significantly if Notre Dame had a couple of quality bigs), Dixon was a little too shoot-first, and Ratliffe didn't draw contact. And they still won by 29.
Three Keys Revisited
Offensive Glass
Maybe it's easy enough to say that the team who shoots better on 3-pointers wins. But the other side of that is if one team is able to steal some possessions with offensive rebounds. Cooley is a monster in that regard, with a 42% Offensive Rebounding rate. Unfortunately for the Irish, only one other player is even at 9%. If Mizzou can get a body on Cooley, they should do pretty well, but that's a decent-sized if.
Jack Cooley: zero offensive rebounds. In all, Notre Dame grabbed just five offensive boards, eight fewer than what would have been expected. That is just an incredible job by Missouri. I realize that a) Notre Dame isn't the biggest team in the world, and b) Mizzou only did marginally better on their own offensive glass, but holy moly.
Who The Hell Guards Abromaitis?
Abromaitis' inside-outside presence would be a fascinating matchup with Laurence Bowers, but as we know, Bowers is out. Now, the matchup likely falls quite a bit to Kim English. In all, the perimeter matchups are odd, with Mizzou's smaller, quicker guards going up against a long-armed crew in Grant, Connaughton, Dragicevich, etc.
The short answer is, everybody. We saw English, both Presseys and Dixon on Abromaitis at different points, and they just wore him out. He shot 7-for-10 in the first half, 2-for-8 in the second. He still ended up with 22 points, but it took him 18 field goal attempts to do it, and he was 0-for-4 from long range. Seriously, this was the best perimeter defense Mizzou has shown since Tiller and Zaire Taylor left, and even they didn't have many games like this.
Atkins Versus Flip Pressey
Assuming Eric Atkins is at full-speed tonight after his illness, he and Phil Pressey go at it in a really fun battle. Atkins has managed the rare 20 PPG-5 APG combo thus far, but he has also committed seven turnovers in two games; Flip, meanwhile, has a ridiculous 10 steals in three games. If one player gets the best of this matchup by a distant margin, it is hard to imagine his team losing.
Phil Pressey: 33 minutes, 17 points on 10 FG attempts, 2 assists, 2 steals, 0 turnovers
Eric Atkins: 32 minutes, 7 points on 8 FG attempts, 1 assist, 0 steals, 3 turnovers
Winner, winner.
Summary
One way or another, tonight's game versus Cal will color how we look back on the trip to Kansas City as a whole, but in a vacuum, this was simply an incredible performance by Missouri. Maybe their legs don't have quite the same spring tonight, and maybe the jumpers don't fall, but when they do, Mizzou has more than enough fire power to overcome its lack of size. Frank Haith coached one heck of a game last night, and I can't wait to see what he does for an encore.
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AdjGS: a take-off of the Game Score metric (definition here) accepted by a lot of basketball stat nerds. It takes points, assists, rebounds (offensive & defensive), steals, blocks, turnovers and fouls into account to determine an individual's "score" for a given game. The "adjustment" in Adjusted Game Score is simply matching the total game scores to the total points scored in the game, thereby redistributing the game's points scored to those who had the biggest impact on the game itself, instead of just how many balls a player put through a basket.
Usage%: This "estimates the % of team possessions a player consumes while on the floor" (via). The usage of those possessions is determined via a formula using field goal and free throw attempts, offensive rebounds, assists and turnovers. The higher the number, the more prevalent a player is (good or bad) in a team's offensive outcome. As you would expect, someone like Kim English has a high Usage%, while Steve Moore has an extremely low one.
Floor%: Via Basketball-Reference.com: Floor % answers the question, "when Player X uses a possession, what is the probability that his team scores at least 1 point?". The higher the Floor%, the more frequently the team probably scores when the given player is involved.
Touches/Possession: Using field goal attempts, free throw attempts, assists and turnovers, Touches attempt to estimate "the number of times a player touched the ball in an attacking position on the floor." Take the estimated touches and divide it by the estimated number of possessions for which a player was on the court, and you get a rough idea of how many times a player touched the ball in a given possession. For point guards, you'll see the number in the 3-4 range. For shooting guards and wings, 2-3. For Steve Moore, 1.30. You get the idea.
Anyway, using the Touches figure, we can estimate the percentage of time a player "in an attacking position" passes, shoots, turns the ball over, or gets fouled.
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I think we only shot 11 3s
we may not get as many layups on average nights, so the three ball may need to be a bigger part of the offense. But it’s nice that we took advantage of our speed to get high percentage shots, rather than just chucking it from outside.
This
is the comment I was going to make. I loved that we didn’t force threes like in some past years. All the guards really attacked. We’ve become used to a fun brand of basketball and it doesn’t look like this new system is going to disappoint.
by tigers-royals on Nov 22, 2011 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
At the end of a day..
The selection committee will consider this a quality win over a Big East (OMGzZZzzzzZZZZzz) foe on a neutral floor.
(Yes, I do realize it’s technically not neutral being in Missouri – but still.)
On Denmon- "Tonight, I would not have thought he had 26," Notre Dame Coach Mike Brey said.
“That was kind of an easy 26, and all of the sudden, wow."
Denmon is looking more and more like Melvin Booker 2.0
He is going to have a big year.
Denmon looks like Marcus Denmon 1.0
And he’s better than Melvin Booker.
did you watch booker his senior year?
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by threadkiller on Nov 22, 2011 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
I agree they
But MB’s senior season still looks really good:
FG% 3P% FT% MP PTS TRB AST
.504 .405 .823 34.8 18.1 3.8 4.5
subject fail
Was going to say I agree they are/were doing different things for the team.
Booker literally willed his team to 2-3 victories
In 1994 that they would not have won otherwise. Denmon is capable of it; we’ll see what happens.
This year’s team could really use freshman Thames and Jevon Crudup too.
by CBonerfied on Nov 22, 2011 1:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
yeah, earliest Tiger memories are of Booker against KU.
I don’t remember much except him draining 3’s.
Eh, that is pretty bold
considering Booker was a 1st team All American.
Any thoughts on why we wouldn't give Green more time in a blowout?
Or is 8 min all we’ll need of him in conference for example?
Never Forget Wolf Island, or pie; it's vaguely sordid.
"'cheesecake is an awesome pie" per mizzou2396 Nov 17, 2011 2:14 PM
would have been nice to get him more minutes
but also, Ratfille and Moore have been in Haith’s system for the same amount of time as Green, so the priority is probably still on getting those two comfortable and ready for conference play. Also, this is the first time Moore is going to be expected to be a semi-regular/starter and log a lot of minutes in conference play, so I’m ok with all the time on the court he can get.
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I just hope we're giving our bigs enough training time before the conference games start. They could really make the difference.
- Ricardo 21
- Moore 16
- Green 8
- 45 minutes of total bigs on court
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by Spider_Monkey on Nov 22, 2011 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
Two things
1. You flex to your opponent. The speed of the smaller lineup obliterated anything ND tried to do last night; prolonged two-big lineups might have hindered that.
2. When the overall quality of the opponents increases, the coaches cannot afford training time. That comes against Binghamton, Navy, whomever…you’re playing a Big East team that was a 2 seed in the tourney last year, you gotta win.
by CBonerfied on Nov 22, 2011 1:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
tough to explain that one
maybe just a product of the team we were playing against not having dominant inside players? It looks like our strategy was to specifically play small (based on the minutes played by our frontcourt).
Or maybe Kadeem practiced badly this week or his conditioning isn’t yet up to par. Who knows.
8 minutes, 3 fouls
I think Green is even more foul prone than Steeeeeeeeeeeve.
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I'm pumped after last night
Since me and my friends opted to go to the game tonight instead. First Mizzou Bball game I’ll get to see since moving to Kansas (First since 2007)!!!
It's time to switch to whiskey, we've been drinking beer all night.
Man, the conference is really weak this year
Texas is already down two games and Kansas seems to be struggling to pull off wins. Wouldn’t that be nice to break the streak on our way out?
Yeah, I know, one game at a time. Still…
GO GO FIGHTING METH AGGIES!
Was just about to make this comment.
Texas doesn’t seem to have much of a supporting cast behind Brown (a lot like football) and kU doesn’t look to have much depth. Baylor looks like it COULD be really good, but you gotta Show Me. Mizzou has played like the most complete team in the Big 12 thus far, and as much as I wish Bowers was here to round us out (ughghghghghhghghggg) he may help us out next year even more.
I bet KU and Texas would play like a complete team against the competition we've faced so far.
4 games in to a 30+ game season. Not buying any stock yet.
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Game tonight is at 3am
I shall not be up, so y’all are just gonna have to cheer extra hard without me.
I wanted to ask you what you thought about Sidney Crosby coming back.
As someone who seems to be a pretty die hard hockey guy (at least the most die hard guy I “know”) are you excited that he’s back or annoyed about the hoopla? Or some other emotion that humans feel?
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
Eh, it’s a reasonably big deal. He is pretty much the consensus best hockey player in the world right now, he’s exciting to watch, and he’s a great ambassador for the sport.
As a fan of a different team than the penguins it can all be a bit annoying after a while, but he’s clearly a special player, a true generational talent, so it’s good to see him doing ridiculous deeds.
interesting
he was pretty good last night. It seems like if he kept at it like that he would break a record or two.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
If he keeps going like last night he’ll start edging towards some of the insane records laid down by Gretzky and Lemieux. Odds are he won’t beat them, but he’ll be one of a very handful of players who are even close to in that existing in that stratosphere.
it's a good time to get him back for hockey
with the NBA in a lockout, having a star of that magnitude (Admiral Ackbar!) could grab some of the NBA crowd. Especially in cities with both teams.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
Maybe. Hadn’t thought of that. Perhaps yeah. Wonder how much sports leagues benefit from lockouts in the other major ones.
I would imagine there is at least some benefit
consider a business in Boston who has Celtics tickets it uses to entertain clients. It can’t buy tickets this year, but it still needs to entertain clients. So maybe it’s spends that money for Bruins tickets instead.
Then you have the local sports media focusing more on the Bruins than the Celtics because the Celtics aren’t there. Fans hear about it, then it start to become the water cooler talk and people start watching/going just to stay part of the conversation.
I think the question becomes how do you retain those people once basketball comes back?
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
I think it depends a lot how established the sport is in your town. Toronto is a hockey town. THere is nothing you could do to stop the ACC selling out every single game. The lockout just pissed people off, it didn’t dent their enthusiasm. But the baseball lockout just KILLED interest in baseball there.
So it’s that far off the scale of awesomeness that you can’t even count it?
I like the way you think young man.
As a fan of MLS
And essentially only MLS as far as pro sports goes, I’ve been rooting for lockouts for as long as possible. It won’t drive a ton fo traffic to us, but it can’t hurt!
i would watch competitive nail painting first. ;-)
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by threadkiller on Nov 22, 2011 7:01 PM CST up reply actions
This team is going to be a lot of fun this year if they can keep playing last night's intensity
Everybody getting amped on defense, everybody taking shots within the flow of the offense, everybody hitting the glass. I hope they don’t get discouraged and tail off once that game finally comes where the jumpers aren’t falling.
I’m ready to talk these guards up as the best backcourt in the nation. The frontcourt still isn’t where it needs to be, but they’re progressing. Cardo still worries me, but he’s also still pretty good, and that flip-hook is hard to stop. Wish he’d play to contact a little more, though. Green still looks hesitant, but his game is coming along. Big Steve has some really nifty post moves—he still needs to work on not leaving his feet on defense at the first sign of a pump fake.
Anyway, I love it. They’re a lot farther along than I thought they’d be at this point.
In the above section "Ten Steals!"
It mentions JT Tiller then the following sentence says “he.” Who is he?
my guess would be flip.
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by threadkiller on Nov 22, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
i mean, he clearly muffed that part of the story (he does have to put out a ton of content every day), so it is just a guess on my part.
and yes, he was a nuisance to whoever he was guarding.
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by threadkiller on Nov 22, 2011 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
Bill C was a nuisance? Or did Flip muff that part of the story
pro-noun bomb’d!!!!!!
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
Not to laugh at Marshawn Powell's season ending injury
But Karma is a b*tch for exHCMA. To lose his best scorer while only having 10 scholarship players, kinda makes it hard to run his fastest 40 minutes when you are left with not enough scholy’s
by McZou on Nov 22, 2011 2:58 PM CST via mobile reply actions
#WalkOnAtArky
Never Forget Wolf Island, or pie; it's vaguely sordid.
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by Spider_Monkey on Nov 22, 2011 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
If scores hold
both Manchester teams will be facing elimination on the final match day. Granted, they will likely control their destiny, but that’s potentially great drama.
Robbed how?
Berbatov was offside on his goal. If anything, Benfica was robbed.

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