Study Hall: Mizzou 92, California 53
Your Trifecta: Denmon-Moore-MPressey. Your Winner: are you kidding me? You'd have been laughed at for guessing Denmon-Moore-MPressey. This is the greatest Trifecta ever.
Because we are getting on the road, I can't spend a ton of time on this one, even though I really want to. The more I think about it, the more I realize that this is by far the best this team has looked in November in my time here. Even in 2001, the Tigers only did just well enough to start 9-0 (and as The Beef pointed out to me this morning, they looked half-awful against Iowa that year until the greatest 75 seconds or so ever at the end). You really do have to go back to the 1980s to match this.
After just five games, we obviously don't know what Frank Haith is capable of doing with this team over the course of an entire season (as the schedule begins to introduce some teams that are actually capable of punishing Mizzou on the glass even worse than Cal did), and we don't know if Mike Anderson would have done even better. (Probably not.) When you've got this level of experience, you are going to be capable of maintaining a pretty high level of play, but ... none of us knew this level was possible. I just hope we see a lot more of it this season. Considering we can find holes in the box score for both games, we can legitimately say that neither of these games represented Mizzou's absolutely top level. That is, to say the least, a bit exciting.
Mizzou 92, Cal 53
| Mizzou |
Cal | |
| Pace (No. of Possessions) |
66.7 |
|
| Points Per Minute |
2.30 |
1.33 |
| Points Per Possession (PPP) |
1.38 |
0.79 |
| Points Per Shot (PPS) |
1.80 |
0.93 |
| 2-PT FG% | 74.1% |
31.3% |
| 3-PT FG% | 41.7% |
22.2% |
| FT% | 84.6% |
85.0% |
| True Shooting % | 73.7% |
40.3% |
| Mizzou | Cal | |
| Assists | 18 |
6 |
| Steals | 10 |
8 |
| Turnovers | 11 |
21 |
| Ball Control Index (BCI) (Assists + Steals) / TO |
2.55 |
0.67 |
| Mizzou | Cal | |
| Expected Offensive Rebounds | 8 |
15 |
| Offensive Rebounds | 6 |
17 |
| Difference | -2 |
+2 |
How To Prevent Poor Rebounding From Mattering:
1) Hold your opponents to a 40.3% True Shooting Percentage.
2) Toss up a 73.7% True Shooting Percentage of your own.
That'll pretty much do it. Amazingly, Mizzou shot 58.8% for the game despite the fact that Marcus Denmon and Phil Pressey combined to go 7-for-18, 2-for-9 from 3-point range.
Mizzou Player Stats
(Definitions at the bottom of the post.)
| Player |
AdjGS | GmSc/Min | Line |
| Marcus Denmon |
17.2 |
0.51 |
34 Min, 18 Pts (6-13 FG, 2-8 3PT, 4-4 FT), 6 Reb, 4 Ast |
| Steve Moore |
16.0 |
0.84 |
19 Min, 10 Pts (3-3 FG, 1-1 3PT, 3-3 FT), 3 Stl, 3 Blk, 2 Reb, 2 Ast |
|
Matt Pressey |
14.0 |
0.61 |
23 Min, 13 Pts (4-5 FG, 1-1 3PT, 4-4 FT), 5 Reb, 3 Ast, 2 TO |
| Kim English |
12.8 |
0.39 |
33 Min, 19 Pts (7-12 FG, 3-7 3PT, 2-4 FT), 4 Reb (2 Off), 2 Ast, 4 TO |
| Mike Dixon |
12.2 |
0.44 |
28 Min, 11 Pts (2-5 FG, 1-4 3PT, 6-6 FT), 3 Ast |
| Ricardo Ratliffe |
9.5 |
0.53 |
18 Min, 10 Pts (5-6 FG, 0-1 FT), 5 Reb (2 Off), 4 PF |
|
Jarrett Sutton |
5.9 |
1.95 |
3 Min, 6 Pts (2 Glorious Walk-On 3's) |
| Phil Pressey |
3.1 |
0.10 |
30 Min, 4 Pts (1-5 FG, 0-1 3PT, 2-2 FT), 3 Ast, 3 Stl, 3 TO |
|
Kadeem Green |
0.9 |
0.10 |
9 Min, 1 Pt (1-2 FT), 2 Reb |
|
Andy Rosburg |
0.0 |
0.00 |
3 Min, nada |
- Denmon's fast break points, rebounding and passing all allowed him to finish on top here despite the fact that his 3's weren't falling. It is the mark of a great player when you continue to produce when your best weapon is not clicking.
- STEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVE.
- Matt Pressey seriously racked up some garbage time stats here, but he was still wonderful defensively before the shots started falling en masse late.
- Kim English still turns the ball over a decent amount, but wow is he playing some heady, tough, sound basketball this year. He's going straight up on his jumpers more often than not, he is drawing charge after charge, and he's showing some muscle on the glass.
- Ricardo Ratliffe was in foul trouble for a good portion of this game. And Mizzou won by 39.
| Player | Usage% | Floor% | Touches/ Poss. |
%Pass | %Shoot | %Fouled | %T/O |
| Denmon |
25% |
46% |
3.6 |
58% |
32% |
8% |
2% |
| Moore |
15% |
68% |
2.9 |
64% |
16% |
14% |
5% |
| M. Pressey |
21% |
58% |
3.7 |
63% |
18% |
12% |
7% |
| English |
29% |
41% |
2.8 |
38% |
39% |
11% |
13% |
| Dixon |
15% |
51% |
3.0 |
64% |
18% |
18% |
0% |
| Ratliffe |
19% |
76% |
2.1 |
46% |
47% |
7% |
0% |
| P. Pressey |
16% |
27% |
2.7 |
65% |
18% |
6% |
11% |
| Green |
5% |
38% |
0.6 |
0% |
0% |
100% |
0% |
To the checklist!
Marcus Denmon's Usage% needs to be 23% or higher. (Yes!)
Kim English's %T/O needs to be at 10% or lower. (No.)
Kim English's Floor% should be at 35% or higher. (Yes!)
Ricardo Ratliffe's %Fouled should be at least 10%. (No.)
Phil Pressey's Touches/Possession need to be 3.5 or better. (No.)
Mike Dixon's %Pass should be 55% or higher. (Yes!)
Steve Moore's Touches/Possession should be at least 1.0. (Yes!)
That's still only a 4-for-7 mark. Again, Mizzou could have played even better in this game. Kim English got a bit sloppy with the ball, Ratliffe didn't initiate much contact (with the ball, anyway), and Flip Pressey was a bit invisible. And yet ... again ... 39-point win. Sheesh.
Summary
I really don't know what else to say. I'm already ready for Villanova at the Garden in two weeks. Binghamton comes to town for an awkward mid-Sunday tipoff; I will be on the road coming back from Oklahoma at that time, but hopefully there's a decent crowd at Mizzou Arena to show appreciation for what we just saw. Because it was incredible.
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AdjGS: a take-off of the Game Score metric (definition here) accepted by a lot of basketball stat nerds. It takes points, assists, rebounds (offensive & defensive), steals, blocks, turnovers and fouls into account to determine an individual's "score" for a given game. The "adjustment" in Adjusted Game Score is simply matching the total game scores to the total points scored in the game, thereby redistributing the game's points scored to those who had the biggest impact on the game itself, instead of just how many balls a player put through a basket.
Usage%: This "estimates the % of team possessions a player consumes while on the floor" (via). The usage of those possessions is determined via a formula using field goal and free throw attempts, offensive rebounds, assists and turnovers. The higher the number, the more prevalent a player is (good or bad) in a team's offensive outcome. As you would expect, someone like Kim English has a high Usage%, while Steve Moore has an extremely low one.
Floor%: Via Basketball-Reference.com: Floor % answers the question, "when Player X uses a possession, what is the probability that his team scores at least 1 point?". The higher the Floor%, the more frequently the team probably scores when the given player is involved.
Touches/Possession: Using field goal attempts, free throw attempts, assists and turnovers, Touches attempt to estimate "the number of times a player touched the ball in an attacking position on the floor." Take the estimated touches and divide it by the estimated number of possessions for which a player was on the court, and you get a rough idea of how many times a player touched the ball in a given possession. For point guards, you'll see the number in the 3-4 range. For shooting guards and wings, 2-3. For Steve Moore, 1.30. You get the idea.
Anyway, using the Touches figure, we can estimate the percentage of time a player "in an attacking position" passes, shoots, turns the ball over, or gets fouled.
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Doug Gottlieb approves of this trifecta!
ku loves Missouri as every parasite has to have a host.
by nwtiger1 on Nov 23, 2011 9:11 AM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Just think what Sutton's line would have been if he played all game
He would have been pushing 80
Up to #8 in Pomeroy
- offense, #13 defense. Only below average components of the team are our low offensive rebounding percentage and our opponents’ high FT%. Essentially everything else is green.
Incredible.
I'm afraid Sunday's home crowd will be lacking.
Holiday weekend, Border Beatdown the day before in KC, etc. I for one will not be back from the KC areain time for the game. Here’s to hoping some others pick up the slack!
Wow.
Jesus. Two epic beatdowns against ostensibly quality opponents. It remains to be seen how good ND and Cal will really be this season, but good heavens. I don’t care where they finish in their leagues. These are two of the most life-affirming wins I’ve ever seen a basketball team just go out and TAKE like that. Wow wow wow.
Did I fall into some sort of a wrinkle in time where the Cardinals win the World Series and Mizzou is suddenly the most dominant college basketball team in the country?
the cards win world series on a somewhat regular basis. :-)
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by threadkiller on Nov 23, 2011 9:50 AM CST up reply actions
Yes, that was a thing of beauty last night.
Cal looked totally overmatched against us. I think my X’s and O’s concern with Haith (mostly brought on by Miami fans who said he was awful at it) is fully resolved. We look fundamentally sound and confident in what we’re doing on the court. A coach who isn’t good at X’s and O’s simply can’t put that kind of product on the floor.
I had questions about recruiting a while back, but the fact that he’s put together a very solid class despite the negative press impresses me too.
I feel like I shouldn’t post positive things because I might jinx us, but I’m quite excited about our basketball program right now.
by u2nspenserfan on Nov 23, 2011 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
The X's and O's: Ernie Nestor
the timeout cam caught him holding court with the team, and Haith just let him speak the entire timeout. Haith didn’t have a guy like that in Miami, I am guessing.
The recruiting: Fuller and Chew. Haith didn’t have guys like that in Miami, I am guessing.
Haith assembled a complete staff, and he seems like the kind of leader willing to delegate authority to those able to satisfy the task. For all of the talk of Mizzou playing as a team thus far, it should be noted that the coaches seem to be quite a team as well.
by CBonerfied on Nov 23, 2011 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, that's true - coaching staff as a unit deserves the credit.
I was so impressed last night with how confident our players looked in running the offense. In my mind, that comes down to preparation. When you’re prepared, you’re confident that you can execute. You know the gameplan, and you know what your job is and how to do it. That’s something that’s been missing since Norm’s heyday IMO.
Don’t get me wrong, I loved Fastest 40, especially with DeMarre at the top of the press. It was fun to watch… but you always knew that if a team slowed us down and made us run offense, it was likely going to be a tough night – not saying we couldn’t win, but it would be a tough night. Quin, at his best, ran lots of pro-style iso stuff for his best scorers. To see an offense where everyone seems to be dialed into doing their job and playing as a team… well, I like it a lot.
by u2nspenserfan on Nov 23, 2011 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
Y'know
I start to wonder if HCMA just isn’t that great of a recruiter. He inherited Tiller and Taylor, Denmon was a local KC 3 star kid, and DeMare and the Presseys all came due to family connections. How many cousins and roomies with talented children can one guy have?
Now HCMA has just inherited a lot of talent in Arky, and maybe if he does good things with it that will become self-sustaining. But it’s not clear that he’s all that great at convincing talent to come without some kind of pre-existing leverage.
Actually, JT Tiller was a recruit for Anderson at UAB
and Taylor came in part due to Keon Lawrence but I think he was recruited by Anderson/Watkins and not Snyder. I think if Mitchell qualifies, and if Porter would have signed early, we might have a slightly different perspective on Anderson’s recruiting abilities and last year’s recruiting “effort” also hurt. But to expect him to walk in after Snyder’s last year and pull in big time recruits would be I think a bit too much to expect as our program was in the dumps at the time.
Solid point on Mitchel
though he didn’t get Porter to sign (OTOH porter dropped out when MA left).
Yeah, maybe I’m being harsh. For whatever reason he sucked it up in his latst year (heart not in it, unlucky, lack of chops, who knows). Time will tell I guess.
Don't get me wrong
I’ll grill Anderson and his staff for a number of reasons after last season, I’m just trying to keep things in perspective. Anderson did a lot of good things over the course of his short tenure and I’m pretty sure just about every one was pissed when he left because we all thought he was an excellent coach. Considering the start of this season (and last year’s great start) he definitely brought in a number of talented players that are living up to their lofty expectations.
My opinion...
Is that he isn’t really a great recruiter, but he isn’t bad at it either. Tiller was a good player for us, that Anderson recruited, but he was a 3-star. I think Anderson is good at getting guys that will play hard for him, but is he going to be a guy that gets 4- and 5- star recruits consistently? I really doubt it. Anderson does have a lot of connections in the basketball world, it seems, so he probably will continue to get recruits based on that, get some in-state recruits, and occasionally get a guy that just likes the style of play. The one thing that could turn it around, like you said, is the roster he inherited at Arkansas. Be interesting to see what he can do with it.
by u2nspenserfan on Nov 23, 2011 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
I don’t think xHCMA would have ever brought us any quality big men (other than those he was related to, or whatever).. 40MoH just wasn’t a system that provides traditional big fellas a place to really succeed
I believe in the The Black & Gold Standard
I also lick rocks in Arizona
Haith versus Anderson
I am enjoying not watching entire line shifts, hockey style, like Anderson would frequently do. While it was effective over the course of a game, there is something more reassuring to knowing that your best players might not all come out at once.
While I appreciate the Anderson vs. Haith comparisons at this point
In terms of “appeared” coaching and the like, Haith doesnt have a second wave of people to put in the game the way Anderson did :-)
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True.
I also think Haith is benefiting from the kind of people Anderson recruited. You could tell they were frustrated with trying to execute the fastest 40 last season when they just didn’t have the horses to do it. They were still talented and still team-oriented, but the fastest 40 just wasn’t a great fit for that particular group, and they knew it, even if CMA didn’t.
Anderson (mostly) recruited young men of character—players who were susceptible to reasonable coaching. I wonder if Haith—even with the kind of talent he recruited—ever had that at Miami. Honestly, I love Mike Anderson and will never forget what he did to bring this program out of the doldrums and back into the top 25, but five years was probably just about the right time for him to move on.
Hopefully, since Bowers will join PPress and Dixon on next year’s team, they’ll infect the next group with the same kind of tenacity and character.
by Bivouac77 on Nov 23, 2011 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, I believe Haith has made it clear he wants the offense to run inside-out
And obviously we are FAR from having the people and the depth to make that happen consistently this year. However, what we do have is players who were brought in to run for 40 minutes and desired to do so at 94 feet. Now, just asking them to do it at 30 feet is clearly paying dividends in terms of our half-court defensive effort.
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Is it just me or has the team as a whole beefed up?
It sure seems Dixon and Moore in particular have added some muscle. Must be that crazy Russian strength coach. Seems to help us some in the half court too.
by u2nspenserfan on Nov 23, 2011 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
i know he didn't play last year,
but kadeem green is where i’ve noticed the muscle improvement.
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by threadkiller on Nov 23, 2011 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
Denmon
has always looked like he could rip the tires off a car with his bare hands, but even he looks beefier than he used to. And Ratliffe is just flat-out ripped this year. Moore looks like an athlete.
Yeah, Pandov must be doing wonders with those guys. They all look like they’re in the best shape of their careers.
Though some of the Cal guys on their blog did have a reasonable point that even after the game was long decided in the 2nd half and some of their top players had fouled out, we kept running our top players instead of giving more scrubs PT. They regarded this as unsportsmanlike, and actually have something of a point.
we don't have many scrubs.
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by threadkiller on Nov 23, 2011 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
If the argument is "the walk ons only played 3 minutes, that's unsportsmanlike!"
It’s probably not a very good argument.
by Transmogrified Tiger on Nov 23, 2011 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
And it's not like we were playing
Eastern Central Indiana Community College. We were playing a team ranked #19 in the country.
Also: Basketball is different from football in that you can come back from crazy deficits in relatively short amounts of time. 15pt leads have been blown in less than 2 minutes before.
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
Fair enough
though up 30 you could probably switch things out on a swing of 10 points or so.
I never said they had a GOOD case, but there’s possibly a smidge in it.
Yeah, well maybe their bench is in there so early because their starters are fouling out?
Guiterrez basically threw in the towel when he took that cheap one against Dixon.
I read their game day blog and though I do agree a couple bad calls went our way, those guys were Texas bad with their whining. Credit due to the handful that were still able to put it in its proper perspective though.
i'd argue
green being a scrub. we’re going to need a few quality minutes from him come b12 play.
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by threadkiller on Nov 23, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
Meh
not early in the season when the guys in the regular rotation haven’t played for this coaching staff. In all honesty, our frontline guys need minutes on the floor together.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
by dcrockett17 on Nov 23, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
the officiating is what won us the game.
just ask the good folks over at golden blogs or bear blogs or golden bears blog.the officials set the tone early, and then, of course, the bears never stood a chance.
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That's one of my pet peeves.
If you lose by less than 5 and believe that the officiating was slanted, I’m fine with the ‘we were robbed’ argument, even if I don’t agree. When you lose by 40, officiating has nothing to do with it, sorry.
by u2nspenserfan on Nov 23, 2011 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
I thought it was because of the turf somehow...
by HHKB Chris on Nov 23, 2011 10:34 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
The turf in Mizzou Arena has to be almost ten years old by this point.
GO GO FIGHTING METH AGGIES!
by Gaknar on Nov 23, 2011 10:35 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
i've inspected the turf in mizzou arena, and it's fine.
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by threadkiller on Nov 23, 2011 10:38 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
and that's why we keep you around
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by Spider_Monkey on Nov 23, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
I think it certainly impacted the start of the game...
but when you lose by damn near 40 points and the only true Big on the other team has two fouls rather quickly…you really shouldn’t be harping on the officials.
aye
the thing about charges, though, is that a player can draw them 8 out of 10 times someone comes into the lane if they have the discipline to set their feet and take it. if the defender has two feet on the ground and is standing up outside of the circle, and they get blasted, even if they’ve obviously moved over to take the charge, and even if they flop, it’s a charge.
and apparently kimmie likes to take charges now.
You gotta have nuts of steel to take those charges.
or literally no nuts at all. How does one have the fortitude to not drop their hands and cover and cup up?
absolutely
that’s why blocks are predominate.
gonna take this charge OH WAIT GET ME THE HELL OUT OF HEEEEEUGH SHIT
tweet, blocking
by kevinf on Nov 23, 2011 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Their best player did foul out like with 10 minutes left, and a second player also
fouled out. I am ok with them complaining about the officiating as long as they also give Mizzou the proper due for tough defense. I thought some of the charges were a bit iffy, but that charges are always tough to officiate.
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
I’d like to think that we CGBers have tried to be clear that while we thought the refs were atrocious, it didn’t change the fact that Missouri kicked our ass.
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by norcalnick on Nov 23, 2011 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
though i disagree, i appreciate your input.
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by threadkiller on Nov 23, 2011 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
There were a few level minded people on their blog that saw a beating for what it was worth.
Still though, you don’t get much sympathy from Mizzou for calls not going your way. We are the kings of that.
If it was raining vajayjay from the skies, Tiger fans would run outside look up and get hit square in the face with a penis. Happens everytime.
by M Krip on Nov 23, 2011 3:22 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I just read your "blown away post", and I thought it was fair-minded
Cal basically has three point guards but none of them capably dealt with Missouri’s ball pressure.
You gave proper credit to whom credit is due. I have no problems that you also raised the issue of questionable foul calls.
The blatant homer in me wants to argue that because the fouls started when the game was still close, that Cal could have stayed with Missouri if the game had been called more fairly. But if I made that argument I’d be fooling myself to an insane degree. Cal was thoroughly outclassed in every phase of the game except rebounding.
Just forgive us for the Sutton 3 pointer at the end. The crowd demanded it. He is a walk-on that gets very few minutes, but works his butt off.
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
by totalloser on Nov 23, 2011 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I really didn't think he was going to take it and I doubt that the player passing it to him thought he would take it.
Haith did not look pleased either.
I had Denmon and Matt Pressey in my tri
Do I get a participation ribbon?
GO GO FIGHTING METH AGGIES!
Do you want it when we give ku fans theirs on Saturday?
Yours, of course, will be cooler, mean much more and will not need instructions written in Crayon.
by McZou on Nov 23, 2011 10:13 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 6 recs
Well, we made 10,000 assuming that many Kansas fans would show up
So we should have plenty left over.
GO GO FIGHTING METH AGGIES!
Saw that they dropped tickets down to 15
I suspect it’s gonna be a pretty small crowd.
Stub Hub tickets are going for as low as $18
If it wasn’t for the fact that my presence will doom Missouri to a crippling loss, I’d go.
GO GO FIGHTING METH AGGIES!
If I were in state I'd go
maybe even in country. Possibly in continent.
(don’t say that last part too fast)
by Wan Ihite on Nov 23, 2011 11:11 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I want a refund
Sucks to get our tickets early this time and we get hosed
by McZou on Nov 23, 2011 2:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
LOL, I hear ya on that one.
I bought an extra ticket for my daughter for the Tech game and no sooner had I done it, I was offered a free ticket several times from friends.
I already have my ticket
But I considered picking one up on the kU side as well in case I want to go over and take a nap at halftime. That way I’m not bothered by the noise or people bustling around me.
I’m known as a bit of a dreamer!
We used
To make excuses like that when we pressed and fouled constantly and refs had the nerve to call it!
One of my favorite things:
Bowers so excited and supportive. After suffering such a disappointing injury, I love his attitude on the sidelines. Seems like a super kid. (I know he’s not a kid, but he is to me. I’m an old lady.)
Important question:
How tall is Haith? He looked like he was about 5’5" next to Phil Pressey in the caption contest the other day, but he didn’t look that short to me on the sideline. Anybody know?
he is shorter than Phil Pressey.
The sleeper has awoken. . .awakened. . .he woke up.
by SleepyFloyd7 on Nov 23, 2011 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
"In Columbia, though, the Tigers have pressed a button and taken off like the Millennium Falcon -- at warp speed."
Oh, c’mon ESPN. Warp speed is Star Trek. Star Wars ships employ hyperspace. Sheesh.
GO GO FIGHTING METH AGGIES!
by Gaknar on Nov 23, 2011 11:02 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
yeah, i saw that.
also, the falcon was like a ‘98 camaro. we’ve been playing like a 2012 maserati.
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by threadkiller on Nov 23, 2011 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
What a game
I thought monday night was incredible, but then they come out and beat a ranked team by 40!
I AM A METH AGGIE
I had Steve Moore in my trifecta.
So I say that I’m pretty awesome for doing that. Also this team is really fun to watch.
Villanova at MSG
Oh. Baby. That is going to be a fun game to watch. MIZ in the NYC at MSG? I can’t wait.
MSG is as neutral to 'Nova as Sprint is to Mizzou
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
Villanova is from Philadelphia...
So it may not be as “neutral” as Sprint is to us but Philly to NYC is not THAT easy is it?
There is a God and I'm not it, after that EVERYTHING is subjective. Be careful for what you wish for, you just might GET IT!
Philly to NYC is not that far
Approximately 95 miles from Philadelphia to MSG. Even with traffic and tolls, it can be quicker and shorter than CoMo to the Sprint Center.
by McZou on Nov 24, 2011 6:22 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
If Deer season opening was the reason for poor attendance at the Texas game
What’s the excuse for 10,000 announced attendance last night? Whole Foods shopping?
were you at the ku game?
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by threadkiller on Nov 23, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
What are you talking about, ku sell out every single game which is why they couldn’t possibly play Mizzou – they’d just be giving away full house gate receipts they could have monopolized
by Wan Ihite on Nov 23, 2011 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the attendance for the two teams' games in KC ought to put the debate to rest
KU is selling out a game against Davidson in a down year.
MU can only sell half the tickets when they have their best team in years and they’re facing big name opponents both games.
What about football?
See MU actually has two decent teams that it supports. kU only has 1 team it supports well and another team it doesn’t support at all. Should we post attendance figures for the football game in KC or home football attendance for both schools?
I think KU football attendance is pretty good when our team is in the top 25
Like MU basketball is right now
So
KU fans are just fair weather fans. Thanks for the clarification (as if we didn’t know that already). I’m not sure thats a great argument.
by tigers-royals on Nov 23, 2011 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
Fair weather fans are better than no fans at all
MU is a top 25 team playing to a half-full arena in the closest big city to its campus.
I think beakers are the worst. AHAMF!
Never Forget Wolf Island, or pie. #AHAMF, it's vaguely sordid.
by Spider_Monkey on Nov 23, 2011 1:17 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I would
argue fair weather fans aren’t really fans at all.
by tigers-royals on Nov 23, 2011 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
Did you see all the empty seats for UNC last night and they are ranked #1.
I know you guys are pretty special and all but you only have one team from one sport that you ever support.
Which happens so rarely you can't even use that as an argument.
It's time to switch to whiskey, we've been drinking beer all night.
I was going to say,
so kU counts football attendance… how often?
If thats the case they really should just stop playing.
"...I'm not trying to act giddy but the guy is a stud.'' - Terry McDonough, Director of Player Personnel, Jacksonville Jaguars
Too early to call it one of the best teams in years.
And haven’t we had this discussion on this site before? kU supports their basketball team much better than mizzou does. It’s no surprise. Not something we’re proud of, but it’s the truth. That being said, kU is on the extreme of basketball fan support. Not many teams in the nation would sell out a neutral site game against davidson or any non-marquee opponent.
I would be interested to see a nationwide statistic of basketball attendance on a %Filled basis.
Top Heavy Beer Drinker
I have no idea.
All i know is last year we were ranked in the top 10, and we sucked.
No offense to Bill C, but i don’t think his word is the absolute for which we should base all of our thinking and judgement.
Top Heavy Beer Drinker
Also, I'm just trolling in the spirit of hate week
I assume your attendance will rise after the two beatdowns.
you damn troll.
That’s a fair assumption, but please don’t check sunday’s attendance….
Top Heavy Beer Drinker
Actually
I believe he said this is the best they have looked in November.
by tigers-royals on Nov 23, 2011 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, this puts to rest this debate that you have concocted in your head. Excellent sleuthing.
by Transmogrified Tiger on Nov 23, 2011 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
There was a debate a couple weeks ago as to whether MU would financial benefit from playing KU in KC
Or whehter MU could sell enough tickets on its own to make it a financial loss to take a game against KU. Last year, playing in KC for the first time in 4 years, MU sold enough tickets that you could make an argument that switching the opponent to KU might not have helped the school financially. Ticket sales this year were 2000 less.
So what you're saying is
“A HA! I told you that you would in fact gain a couple thousand dollars from playing KU in KC!”
Thanks?
by Transmogrified Tiger on Nov 23, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
Oh I see the motive for the trolling now.
This guy was hoping for some pie recipes instead of normal responses. I am glad we didn’t oblige and that your pies get burned as bad as your team does this Saturday. =)~
by M Krip on Nov 23, 2011 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
The pies are good. I wanted stuffing recipes
And also to win a battle this week, since I’m pretty sure the outcome on Saturday isn’t going to go our way.
I wish. Even if I could afford the plane tickets and hotel rooms, it's been sold out for a year
Although to be fair, Lahaina Civic Center only seats 2400, so I think even MU could sell it out, assuming they moved the Civic Center to Columbia, and deer season didn’t interfere, and the Cardinals and Chiefs weren’t playing, and parking wasn’t unreasonably far from the arena, and the opponent was good, and MU was highly ranked, …
so your point against missouri
is that we have more than one thing to do? that hurts.
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by threadkiller on Nov 23, 2011 12:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
My point is that your fans don't attend the games
But there’s always a litany of excuses to explain it.
aka things to do. something a kansan wouldn't understand, proven by your presence here.
just because you’re well spoken doesn’t mean you aren’t a troll. why do you come here? is it because most of the people here are more tolerant than i of a person of your ilk? have you seriously nothing better to do?
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by threadkiller on Nov 23, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
noted.
/makes note to kill 2396
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by threadkiller on Nov 23, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
Beaker sites are just a bunch of zombies cooing the same 4 lines about basketball.
Even mindless beakers can’t take it very long.
Never Forget Wolf Island, or pie. #AHAMF, it's vaguely sordid.
by Spider_Monkey on Nov 23, 2011 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
USE MOAR JAYHAWK.
heheheh.
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by threadkiller on Nov 23, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
you can never get the sh!t taste out of jayhawk though
Never Forget Wolf Island, or pie. #AHAMF, it's vaguely sordid.
by Spider_Monkey on Nov 23, 2011 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
poop tastes like poop.
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by threadkiller on Nov 23, 2011 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
this is claim that I will never attempt to verify.
The sleeper has awoken. . .awakened. . .he woke up.
by SleepyFloyd7 on Nov 23, 2011 10:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
sadly, i can verify it.
as a youth, my dad and i were pulling a calf that was stuck in the breech position and i was on the end of the chains. i found myself in a rather uncompromising position behind the momma cow. of course, there was pressure in places other than the canal, and i got a mouthful. it tastes like poop, i can assure you. i hereby redirect you to your regularly scheduled thanksgiving feasts. :-)
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by threadkiller on Nov 23, 2011 11:18 PM CST up reply actions
Priceless
From some ESPN comments from a beaker, trying to justify UCLA coming back within a couple points towards the end of the game:
Then Kansas ran it up on them again…so essentially KU beat them by twenty twice. KU let up just as much as UCLA faught back…in the end it was still a drubbing.
/beakermath’d
Only our best and brightest are allowed to post on ESPN comments sections
Highly advanced math is often difficult for the layperson to understand.
How does one "faught back"?
Eat mor Jayhawk with beans?
by McZou on Nov 23, 2011 3:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
this comment got my attention too.
what a joke.
i fail at teh subjunctive
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 23, 2011 3:44 PM CST up reply actions

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