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THROW IT TO THE FAT GUY

  • The Trib: Game Notes

    Quarterback James Franklin has earned recognition for spreading the ball around to a wide array of receivers this season, and he found an unlikely target yesterday in left tackle Justin Britt.

    Though technically not a pass, Franklin threw laterally to Britt after faking a handoff to junior tailback Kendial Lawrence on a misdirection play early in the third quarter with Missouri facing second-and-13 from the Kansas 15. The 6-foot-5, 295-pound sophomore plowed forward for a 7-yard gain.

    Britt’s teammates and Pinkel were teasing him for not reaching the end zone.

    "I got in front of Travis Ruth and said, ‘Can you believe this guy didn’t score a touchdown?’ " Pinkel said. "So we were ripping him a little bit in the locker room. He said he wanted man-to-man because nobody was going to cover him then. He said the thing that screwed it up was the zone — zone coverage.

    "Like he really knows zone coverage and man-to-man. He’s an offensive lineman."

    Apparently one with a trusted set of hands.

    Pinkel said Missouri had the play in its game plan for at least four weeks, and he had made sure to warn the officials about it each time so they didn’t mistakenly flag the Tigers for throwing to an ineligible receiver. Yesterday was the first time they put it into practice.

    Britt was erroneously credited with a reception on the final stat sheet, meaning Franklin’s passing totals were inflated to 187 yards, not 180.

Bowls?

  • KC Star: Mizzou after the game: Big 12 won't help Mizzou on bowl

Border War History And Future

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Maybe it is the St. Louis native in me

but I say good riddance to Kansas. We won the series. We have the drum forever. It’s good.

The attendance at Arrowhead shows the apathy. Even though the rivalry has a stronger historical basis than any other, rivalries are sustained by excellence. If both teams are crap, no one cares. And unfortunately, that was the case too many times over the years.

The drum itself is a relic of apathy. It was created as a trophy when interest in the series was lagging in the 30’s. Apathy then, apathy now.

by AlaTiger on Nov 28, 2011 8:24 AM CST reply actions  

It's part of our culture here.

And I understand that other parts of the state might not care but wow – it’s going to suck to not be able to take this hatred out on the field.

Now it might just resort to road rage for me and that’s not a good result.

by tigers and chiefs fan on Nov 28, 2011 8:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Understood

Just sharing my perspective

by AlaTiger on Nov 28, 2011 8:52 AM CST up reply actions  

That's one thing that makes TJ Moe so likable

He’s jumped into the MU-ku thing head first without checking the water from clear across the state.

by B_W on Nov 28, 2011 9:04 AM CST up reply actions  

It's still very relevant over here on the west side of the state.

I think MU showed real well attendance wise. ku, get real…basketball season has started. They have proven over the years that unless their football team is winning some games they just don’t show up.

by B_W on Nov 28, 2011 8:43 AM CST up reply actions  

The attendance at Arrowhead shows the apathy.

I agree that apathy is a factor, but I think it’s also worth noting that it was a neutral site game on a holiday weekend when a lot of people are already travelling. If that game was in Columbia or Lawrence on a weekend when all the students were in town and most people weren’t already travelling to be with family, there would have been a packed stadium.

Full disclosure: I have a clear, acknowledged bias in this regard. I don’t like neutral site games in pro stadiums. The economic boost that college games can provide doesn’t really move the needle in big cities that already have pro teams; it does in smaller college towns like Columbia and Lawrence. The game day atmosphere for neutral site games in pro stadiums is terrible. I never went to the Border War at Arrowhead, but I never missed the Arch Rivalry or the Braggin’ Rights game, and in both cases I was always embarrassed for both fan bases. It really makes me appreciate how well behaved and respectful both the student and alumni sections are at Faurot.

I’m also not a huge fan of college games on Thanksgiving weekend. Let the pros play. They can afford to bring their families with them. There’s no reason to separate those kids from their families during that time. I drive to Columbia for every home game, but myself and most people I know are already travelling and living out of a suitcase during Thanksgiving, and not particularly interested in packing back up to drive to Kansas City.

Sorry that turned into a rant, but I think there’s more to it than apathy.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Nov 28, 2011 9:25 AM CST up reply actions  

I was in KC that weekend.

although for the reasons you mentioned I was not at the game. Also as I mentioned the other night I believe I was profiled by the police in Lenexa KS for wearing Mizzou gear. That all being said all day Saturday people were asking me about the game and if I was going (which I wasn’t) . I think part of the problem is that with the game being in Arrowhead relies too heavily on both teams being good. I’m not convinced that the situation would have been reveresed if ku was good and Mizzou sucked.

That's right Ice Man. I am dangerous
Pie Forever!

by drewder on Nov 28, 2011 9:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Completely agree...

with both you and Damnatio. I towrked great in 2007 and even in 2008, but unless both teams are top 25 caliber, it doesn’t have a chance. I hated the move from the beginning, because this is what I figured would happen. For it to end like it did really sucks.

by hiphopopotamus on Nov 28, 2011 9:44 AM CST up reply actions  

I disagree

Having bookends of the season in STL and KC make it easy for alumni like me flying in for extended weekends to go to an extra game a year. When we were playing Illinois on Labor Day I never missed a game because it’s easy to stop in for Saturday and continue on down to the bootheel (in my case) to enjoy the rest of the weekend. I’m sure the same holds on the other side of the state; it’s a fun thing to do when people are around with their families. I think series at both sites should continue.

by hed64 on Nov 28, 2011 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

I think part of the problem is that with the game being in Arrowhead relies too heavily on both teams being good. I’m not convinced that the situation would have been reversed if ku was good and Mizzou sucked.

As someone that remembers the Widenhofer and Stull eras, I absolutely agree.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Nov 28, 2011 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

That's why now that we are in seperate conferences

This game would be a great first game of the season for both programs. If we have it as first on the schedule, KU fans won’t be totally turned off yet by another crappy season plus basketball won’t be getting in the way.

I just read the article about KU having a void to fill and most of the KU fans commenting on that article do want the rivalry game to continue. I hope cooler heads prevail over in Lawrence and the pettiness and hurt feeelings subside and their admins do the right thing and continue this series.

Play it the first of the year and alternate the game between the two campuses. Kansas would probably sell their stadium out every year if it were the first game of the year.

by M Krip on Nov 28, 2011 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

then the border war would really heat up...

it would go from being the coldest temperature game of the year to the hottest. Moar beer!

Never Forget Wolf Island, or pie. #AHAMF, it's vaguely sordid.

by Spider_Monkey on Nov 28, 2011 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Read the ljw comments section of the TJ Moe article above

Very few comments towards wanting the rivalry to continue.

They are too busy getting stirred up by Moe’s comments about having a Quantrill flag. He really does know how to tick them off, which makes him my hero.

ku loves Missouri as every parasite has to have a host.

by nwtiger1 on Nov 28, 2011 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Looking at Matter's bowl listings,

I’m guessing the Ticket City Bowl (Jan 2 in the Cotton Bowl) would be the preferred destination among the leftover bowls from other conferences.

"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan

Rocky Balboa once told me, "Nothing is real if you don't believe in who you are."

by Kpz1234 on Nov 28, 2011 9:11 AM CST reply actions  

I was assuming the Big 12 lobbies against Mizzou for any of their bowl tie-ins.

"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan

Rocky Balboa once told me, "Nothing is real if you don't believe in who you are."

by Kpz1234 on Nov 28, 2011 9:18 AM CST up reply actions  

yeah, they have "not helped" us in the past.

one of the many reasons to say good riddance to the big mess.

In love with the new Gaknar avatar.

by threadkiller on Nov 28, 2011 9:21 AM CST up reply actions  

To be honest, from a recruiting standpoint,

I would imagine Missouri would draw quite well for the Ticket City Bowl. Shades of 2007.

"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan

Rocky Balboa once told me, "Nothing is real if you don't believe in who you are."

by Kpz1234 on Nov 28, 2011 9:23 AM CST up reply actions  

This.

Sucks

That's right Ice Man. I am dangerous
Pie Forever!

by drewder on Nov 28, 2011 9:23 AM CST up reply actions  

I'd rather be left out of the Big 12 lower bowl spots such as the Pinstripe and get invited to a lower SEC bowl instead.

The thought of going to the Pinstripe does nothing for me other than it being one step better than staying at home.

by M Krip on Nov 28, 2011 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Funny, cool, fact of the day.

Mizzou ranked 25th in BCS standings.

That's right Ice Man. I am dangerous
Pie Forever!

by drewder on Nov 28, 2011 9:22 AM CST reply actions  

Many react with a "Meh!" when the subject of the Border War arises.

To those that react with such disregard, I respect your opinion but I disagree. Understanding the many reasons why people do not care, from lack of fan attendance to poor team performances, does not ease the saddness of watching another tradition gone away. I still can not get over the history and part of our culture that will be tossed aside.

by McZou on Nov 28, 2011 9:35 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

I agree with you in reference to the location of the game being played in Arrowhead.

However I disagree with you on the general fans feeling towards that game in general and being played on campus.

That's right Ice Man. I am dangerous
Pie Forever!

by drewder on Nov 28, 2011 9:40 AM CST up reply actions  

well put, though i couldn't disagree more.

i believe you and others of your like mind will get over it in time. especially since we’re going to a quality situation.

In love with the new Gaknar avatar.

by threadkiller on Nov 28, 2011 9:41 AM CST up reply actions  

As a true fan of Mizzou, many of us will get over it

But not forget it. We have many reasons we became Mizzou fans, not just from attending (as I have gone to a few colleges). The history, traditions and high standards are a few reasons but important ones to us. You ignore history and the respect that has been earned from that history will be gone too. Change can be good (especially now) but to change in haste and disregard our history may not be so good. As far as the Border War, Mizzou has done what we needed it to do, which is attempt to keep this part of our history going, and will move forward from here. It is on ku now for not keeping it alive.
I just think it is sad and tend to not liken myself to spitting on the history and cheapening it more than what it has become. If this chapter is over, turn the page not burn the book.

by McZou on Nov 28, 2011 10:51 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I'll never get over it.

I don’t even think my daughter who is only a sophomore at MU will even get over it. My wife, my older kids, my in-laws and my family that had lived in Missouri have all grown to despise Kansas and cherish the opportunities to play against them.

The older Mizzou fan friends and alumni I talk to are really upset about the thought of losing this rivalry. Many of them, (not me though) would rather go down with the ship and stay in the Big 12 if that’s what it took to continue this rivalry. There is an incredible amount of passion to the point of narcissism when it comes to continuing this game.

by M Krip on Nov 28, 2011 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

i mean, you're entitled to that,

but never, ever, and forever is a really long time.

In love with the new Gaknar avatar.

by threadkiller on Nov 28, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, I betcha that Fambrough is still feeling it.

and will be forever even if the contempt is being felt and played out through the other people he touched.

If we don’t play them again in my lifetime, I assure you I’ll never get over it. Sure I’ll embrace the positives in going to the SEC and I wouldn’t trade that switch right now even at the expense of losing our bitter rivalry game but I’ll never get over it.

by M Krip on Nov 28, 2011 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Are you suggesting that we should or may be "friends" with ku after time settles?

Oh come on, that is something I would tell my kids about some “enemy” at their school. We are all adults here….er…wait…

by McZou on Nov 28, 2011 12:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

i've got a good mind to flag you. :-)

CRAP, NO!!!

In love with the new Gaknar avatar.

by threadkiller on Nov 28, 2011 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

True rivalries in sports are very rare.

Missouri & Kansas are lucky to have one that needs no contrivances to validate it’s importance to the fanbases.

Cooler heads will prevail once the administrations realize that KSU and Arkansas don’t have IT and the fans demand getting back together.

The sleeper has awoken. . .awakened. . .he woke up.

by SleepyFloyd7 on Nov 28, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

But won't it be great to have the chance to meet them early in the basketball tourney?

Maybe we could save them from being bounced by a mid-major.

GO GO FIGHTING METH AGGIES!

by Gaknar on Nov 28, 2011 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Would our fans travel to that game?

Seas of blue and crimson make me puke.

Never Forget Wolf Island, or pie. #AHAMF, it's vaguely sordid.

by Spider_Monkey on Nov 28, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Ha!
Hell, I bet we’d even chip in to keep the tradition alive.

But whereas we made a dispassionate business decision based on facts, they’re making a sour-grapes emotional decision based on spite

This is such a ridiclous contradiction. You are leaving the tradition of the KU rivalry and the Big 12 for more money. So you have quite plainy proven you would not “chip in” to keep the rivalry alive. Which is fine, if that’s what you think is best…just don’t try and claim Missouri is willing to pay extra to keep this rivalry alive.

by hiphopopotamus on Nov 28, 2011 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Apologies on the blockquote fail...

not sure why it didn’t get the entire statement

by hiphopopotamus on Nov 28, 2011 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

I haven't seen logic THAT twisted

since I PLAYED for the Fighting Meth Aggies…

"...I'm not trying to act giddy but the guy is a stud.'' - Terry McDonough, Director of Player Personnel, Jacksonville Jaguars

by TmannZOU on Nov 28, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I meant the part about chipping in with a healthy amount of sarcasm

But honestly, I think, and I think most Mizzou fans think, that KU, KSU and ISU are all unintended victims of conference realignment. Texas and OU (and previously Nebraska) were the schools that had the ability to stabilize the conference. They chose not to. We’re heading for greener pastures. I have no doubt the above mentioned schools would have made the same choice. But I don’t think it was done out of malice, and I think we would be willing to make some kind of concessions to the rest of the forgotten four.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Nov 28, 2011 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Fair enough...

We’re probably best to agree to disagree on the “would have made the same choice” and “willing to make concessions” statements, but I understand the position, even if I don’t agree.

by hiphopopotamus on Nov 28, 2011 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm comfortable with that

There’s no way this situation transpires without some disagreement.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Nov 28, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

To be fair,

saying you wouldn’t make the same choice, Is like saying that you don’t want to be bumped to first class because your coworker isn’t too.
Or turning down free bacon on a sub cause you didn’t pay for it.

You can say it, but you don’t mean it.
and no one really believes that you mean it.

"...I'm not trying to act giddy but the guy is a stud.'' - Terry McDonough, Director of Player Personnel, Jacksonville Jaguars

by TmannZOU on Nov 28, 2011 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

That's not true at all...

Like I said, we can agree to disagree here, but the indignant stance that everyone else would do it too is misguided. I still think Missouri is making the wrong choice, but I also understand why it could work out for them and why they’re willing to make the move. But for Kansas, it would absolutely be the wrong choice. It wouldn’t work geogrpahically, it wouldn’t work culturally and I doubt it would benefit them financially.

If you want to argue that we would do the same thing if we had an offer from the Big Ten, then you’d be right. But I absolutely disagree that we’d leave for the SEC.

by hiphopopotamus on Nov 28, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

So its ok to be indignant over a move to the SEC,

which geographically fits us “relatively” well, for more money, but if you made a “similar” move to the Big10, no harm no foul…

similar being, a conference which fits geographically and gives you more money

Enlighten me?

"...I'm not trying to act giddy but the guy is a stud.'' - Terry McDonough, Director of Player Personnel, Jacksonville Jaguars

by TmannZOU on Nov 28, 2011 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll just hit all three here...

Maybe I shouldn’t have used indignant here, because all I’m saying is, you all keep harping that “Everyone would do it if they had the chance.” I’m saying, “no we wouldn’t.” I don’t begrudge you all for making the move. But just because you believe it works for you doesn’t mean everyone would make the same decision for them. As to your point about the Big 10, I absolutely believe we’d deserve blame if we’d made that jump. My point there was if you were making that move, you could claim “you would do it too,” but that’s not a claim you get to make on the way to the SEC.

@MK – Agree to disagree. This is why I think Missouri may ultimately prove short-sighted. I think one of two things happens:

A) The Big 12 survives. or B) We dissolve into four 16 team conferences. In this case, I believe Missouri would have had a great chance at getting into the Big 10, which is what they wanted all along. And even if they didn’t, they’re still a brand and a TV market. They were always going to have a seat at the big boy table. I believe the same is true for Kansas, though with a lesser degree of certainty. But back to my point from abaove, I don’t think that uncertainty for Kansas outweighed the negatives of a move to a conference that doesn’t fit us.

by hiphopopotamus on Nov 28, 2011 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

We already have a seat at the Big Boy's table.

And now we don’t have to wait and see if the Big XII implodes and hope that someone thinks we’re worthy.

GO GO FIGHTING METH AGGIES!

by Gaknar on Nov 28, 2011 1:45 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Neither do we...

That game was on basic cable throughout Kansas and the KC metro.

by hiphopopotamus on Nov 28, 2011 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

look to the future. LHN will be the WWL of the midwest.

It must survive for $300 mil. That’s the ONLY reason why Texas is still in the Big Equation.

Never Forget Wolf Island, or pie. #AHAMF, it's vaguely sordid.

by Spider_Monkey on Nov 28, 2011 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Only because Texas was desperate to get content

Their original plan was for exclusive coverage on LHN. You can thank Texas Tech for putting an end to that.

GO GO FIGHTING METH AGGIES!

by Gaknar on Nov 28, 2011 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I can't believe that you think that being in a mid major conference or the dysfunctional Big East is the better choice of the two.

Because the odds are favorable that if the Big 10 doesn’t throw you a life line, that’s what your school is looking at sooner than later.

by M Krip on Nov 28, 2011 12:39 PM CST up reply actions  

We are leaving the tradition of the Mizzou/ku rivalry and the Big 12 solely for the money?

Do they let you take your head out of the sand to breathe every once in awhile? Typical dead end arguement from a fan base that refuses to refer to the facts. Not going to waste the time to rehash why the Big 12 sucks. Not going to restate the FACT that the offer was made by Mizzou to keep the war going. All the pathetic excuses and finger pointing by ku and others need to just get off our lawn.

by McZou on Nov 28, 2011 11:34 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I honestly don't get it

I mean Saturday is the prime example. A poor game of football (result aside) in front of a half empty stadium.

That’s just not exciting. People get misty eyed about ’07, but that had more to do with two top 3 teams squaring off then the rivalry.

The whole thing died when they took it off campus. Giving it the coup de grace is the kindest thing.

by MizKC on Nov 28, 2011 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed with the campus part

As a current student, other students, excluding the KC ones, just don’t get excited for it. We hate Kansas, they know they are supposed to, but they don’t know why. It’s easy to hate OU, we get to see them. But with the game always on TV, being busy with family that day anyway, the students just don’t have the same hate. Guarantee if you brought kU to MU for an early OOC game or HC, the students not from KC would find the hate. But having it off campus ruins it.

by MizzouRugby on Nov 28, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

It would be much better right now if it were the first game of the season.

Even Kansas fans would show up in full force since they don’t have a whole season of drubbings just yet to push them away.

by M Krip on Nov 28, 2011 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Basketball polls are out.

We jumped KU in both the AP and Coaches polls in basketball.

MU is at 13 in both while KU is at 14 and 15.

by M Krip on Nov 28, 2011 12:17 PM CST reply actions  

I liked it better when we were just creeping it at 25

That's right Ice Man. I am dangerous
Pie Forever!

by drewder on Nov 28, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly, where are the haters when we want them?

C’mon coach, put in the scrubs when we’re up by 20. Try to fly NEAR the radar line.

Never Forget Wolf Island, or pie. #AHAMF, it's vaguely sordid.

by Spider_Monkey on Nov 28, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey I like the underdog story better.

But Haith’s got those guys playing some ball for sure.

That's right Ice Man. I am dangerous
Pie Forever!

by drewder on Nov 28, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

As long as ku has their basketball.....oh wait.

We jumped above them in the AP polls too today. It has been a fun Mizzou week/ weekend with a some bittersweet moments.

by McZou on Nov 28, 2011 12:20 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

I am excited about Tiger BB

but it’s still November people.

Don’t start taunting your Beaker friends quite yet.

by tigers and chiefs fan on Nov 28, 2011 12:25 PM CST reply actions  

yeah, I know

I apologize and I would go admit some embarrassing things at my local grocery or gas station to remove any jinx but I’m afraid they have all heard my stories before.

by McZou on Nov 28, 2011 12:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

start taunting? t&c i have news for ya: some of us never stopped.

In love with the new Gaknar avatar.

by threadkiller on Nov 28, 2011 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

No doubt

Get it in while the gettings good.

Sure they lost to Duke and Kentucky but the important point is that they lost.

by M Krip on Nov 28, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

BLASPHEMY

It’s always time to taunt Beaker fans.

GO GO FIGHTING METH AGGIES!

by Gaknar on Nov 28, 2011 12:35 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't have any beaker friends. No one should.

Never Forget Wolf Island, or pie. #AHAMF, it's vaguely sordid.

by Spider_Monkey on Nov 28, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

To be fair,

if they abandon their team when they suck, I don’t count them as fans.
Ergo, I do NOT have any beaker friends

"...I'm not trying to act giddy but the guy is a stud.'' - Terry McDonough, Director of Player Personnel, Jacksonville Jaguars

by TmannZOU on Nov 28, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

quit pandering, you know we're not going to say it. :-)

Never Forget Wolf Island, or pie. #AHAMF, it's vaguely sordid.

by Spider_Monkey on Nov 28, 2011 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd like him more if he didn't kill all my favorite threads...

"...I'm not trying to act giddy but the guy is a stud.'' - Terry McDonough, Director of Player Personnel, Jacksonville Jaguars

by TmannZOU on Nov 28, 2011 12:50 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

i meant real friends.

not spider monkeys.

In love with the new Gaknar avatar.

by threadkiller on Nov 28, 2011 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

are you equating me to a mythical bird full of poop?

Never Forget Wolf Island, or pie. #AHAMF, it's vaguely sordid.

by Spider_Monkey on Nov 28, 2011 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Another thing to like.

St Louis U ranked. our neighbors to the east not

That's right Ice Man. I am dangerous
Pie Forever!

by drewder on Nov 28, 2011 12:31 PM CST reply actions  

LOL at T.J. Moe, I love this guy and hope he finds a home with our University when his playing career is over much like Stormin Normin was able to do.

from T.J.

"We fly the flag of Quantrill in our locker room right now," Moe said. "It’s up. It’s my flag. I brought it."

by M Krip on Nov 28, 2011 12:42 PM CST reply actions  

Do you think that Moe will sell signed copies?

Cause I wouldn’t mind getting one for every room.

…new RMN fundraiser? :)

"...I'm not trying to act giddy but the guy is a stud.'' - Terry McDonough, Director of Player Personnel, Jacksonville Jaguars

by TmannZOU on Nov 28, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

For all the turf haters

Dave_Matter Dave Matter
#Mizzou will have all new Nike uniforms and new artificial turf in 2012, per Pinkel.

by tigers and chiefs fan on Nov 28, 2011 12:57 PM CST reply actions  

boo to 2012 or Pinkel? Please God don't let the unis suck like Maryland, OSU, or Stanford among others.

You’re wanting the smokable grass, amirite? We have to use a synthetic field, so when it wears out we can make moar meth out of it, duh.

Never Forget Wolf Island, or pie. #AHAMF, it's vaguely sordid.

by Spider_Monkey on Nov 28, 2011 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Maryland unis are Underarmour

So they won’t be THAT bad.

I hope they keep the all black at home and all white on the road, but go old school with the pattern, with the stripes on the shoulders and down the legs that match the stripes on the helmets. If they got white helmets to go with the white uniforms, that would be pretty sweet too.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Nov 28, 2011 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

As long as they don't change the helmet

I’ll be okay with it. If they keep the all blacks/all whites, even better.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Nov 28, 2011 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I was sure I would hate those

And I actually thought they were okay. Not a fan of the gloss-black-on-matte-black helmets, but oh well, no accounting for taste.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Nov 28, 2011 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I loved the helmets

They changed color depending on the light.

GO GO FIGHTING METH AGGIES!

by Gaknar on Nov 28, 2011 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Mood helmets? Trippy.

Never Forget Wolf Island, or pie. #AHAMF, it's vaguely sordid.

by Spider_Monkey on Nov 28, 2011 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Pelini's mood helmet would usually be the color of lava.

Ron Zook’s helmet? Polka dot.

Never Forget Wolf Island, or pie. #AHAMF, it's vaguely sordid.

by Spider_Monkey on Nov 28, 2011 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I am terrified at the thought of what they are going to do to our uniforms.

Nikefication, aside of the Pro Combats (and very few other schools) is seldom a good thing. Just bring back the 02-03 unis.

"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan

Rocky Balboa once told me, "Nothing is real if you don't believe in who you are."

by Kpz1234 on Nov 28, 2011 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I hope we keep exactly what we have right now.

Nothing can beat our black top, yellow bottoms combo.

by M Krip on Nov 28, 2011 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Or we could actually use

GOLD, instead of mustard yellow. That’s my only beef with our unis.

by Babbalynski on Nov 28, 2011 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

That could be bad

Unless you want the entire team dressed as Golddust.

GO GO FIGHTING METH AGGIES!

by Gaknar on Nov 28, 2011 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not too worried

Nike’s shown they are inclined to do bold, simple, and monochromatic designs when it comes with jerseys. Mizzou’s colors fit that perfectly. All black and all white with gold as the accent will hardly ever look gaudy, unlike Florida, or any other school with harsh colors. They just have to get the gold right, and make sure its the same throughout and everything will be fine. I’m hoping for the darker, more brownish gold than the mustard yellow or puke gold the basketball team wears sometimes

by MizzouRugby on Nov 28, 2011 3:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh dear COTG

What sort of uniforms?

This could be really good, or really bad.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Nov 28, 2011 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Again, I know I've been in the minority this whole time throughout this SEC thing...

…but it simply astounds me that any Missouri fan could say, “Welp, see ya, Border War! Won’t miss you!”

Beyond that — and I hate to take Kansas’ side in anything — let’s not act like Missouri is completely innocent in killing the Border War. Mizzou made its choice to go to the SEC knowing full well that it would have implications for the Border War (or, if they didn’t know it would have implications on the Border War, it wasn’t well thought out). We can say all we want that Kansas killed the Border War, but it’s not true. Both schools had hands on the pillow that smothered it.

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Nov 28, 2011 12:58 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

And that's fine.

I accept that. But this “It’s KANSAS’ decision to end the Border War!” meme has to stop, because it’s just incorrect.

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Nov 28, 2011 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Just like

“MISSOURI ENDED THE BORDER WAR”?
Obviously I am standing up for my University’s stance, do I think the reasons we have for ending it are better than their reasons? Absolutely. Is it so black and white? no, things seldom are but if one side has to receive all the blame. I vote their side.

"...I'm not trying to act giddy but the guy is a stud.'' - Terry McDonough, Director of Player Personnel, Jacksonville Jaguars

by TmannZOU on Nov 28, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd have to say its more their fault though.

Sure we left the Big 12 but that means that the only reason KU would have played that game is because they were forced to out of conference affiliation. If that’s the case, then we do have to share some blame knowing full well that they would ditch that game first chance they get.

However, if we do say we are willing and they say they are not, then its more on them than it is on us.

The ball is in their court and they have a choice to make and that choice is to continue it or not and for whatever reason they find to suppor their choice, it still comes down to them picking either or.

by M Krip on Nov 28, 2011 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

So, there was no compromise to be had?

Either we stayed in the Big 12 or we are at fault? I do not see that Mizzou left the Big 12 to spite ku and to get away from the Border War. Mizzou left for the SEC then tried to compromise. This ultimatum of “stay in the Big 12 or else no Border War” makes it our fault, apparently. I was against leaving the Big 12 also but to look at things right now, there is an offer on the table to continue this rivalry and one party decides not to take the offer, who’s fault is it at this point?

by McZou on Nov 28, 2011 2:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

When my kids fight, I get right past the finger pointing

Get to the point of how to fix it. We are at that point. Here is a possible solution. If that is not good enough, make a suggestion (or in other words compromise). ku refuses to respond with a positive suggestion or agree to ours, so it is on ku. Not Mizzzou right now.

by McZou on Nov 28, 2011 3:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Pretty much, yes

Everyone likes to compare this to a divorce. Well, what KU is doing is the equivalent of burning the house down so that they don’t have to split it with Mizzou.

GO GO FIGHTING METH AGGIES!

by Gaknar on Nov 28, 2011 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

No, absolutely not.

But Mizzou obviously weighed its options, knowing full well that going to the SEC would have major implications on the Border War, and made its move. If you tell someone to pull the trigger, aren’t you just as much at fault as the person pulling it?

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Nov 29, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Well that's an image that will stick with me
Both schools had hands on the pillow that smothered it.

And I totally agree.
I don’t blame KS at all for the way they are acting. If roles were reversed, I would be acting similarly. I felt a lot of animosity towards A&M when I found out they were leaving.

Ya wanna know what? I actually feel bad for the Beaks. I wish they would stop looking at me with those hurt eyes. It’s not that much fun to be a Beaker-hating Tiger right now.

by tigers and chiefs fan on Nov 28, 2011 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Originally

GO GO FIGHTING METH AGGIES!

by Gaknar on Nov 28, 2011 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't worry

I will get back in Beaker-hating form soon.

But I’m telling ya, it’s hard right now.

by tigers and chiefs fan on Nov 28, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

basketball will fix that for you real quick.

Don’t pity a demon.

Never Forget Wolf Island, or pie. #AHAMF, it's vaguely sordid.

by Spider_Monkey on Nov 28, 2011 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with that completely.

I believe Mizzou made the move in full comprehension of the potential loss of this great rivalry.

After accepting that assertion I have had a hard time supporting any “rivalry”. These are all just money making games and base entertainment. (Well, not the lowest form but…)

I know they did not start out like that, but they are being reduced to that by continued boiling down and simmering way beyond appropriate sauce levels.

I am now in fear that what we will end up with is a hyper marketed sludge of sporting events that will have as much to do about collegiate pride and sportsmanship as fishing with dynamite at the Bass Pro aquariums.

…but at this point I have accepted it.

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Nov 28, 2011 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

There's a matter of degrees here

Mizzou made a decision, a decision that’s going to impact tens of millions of dollars for the athletic department. It was a decision that, one way or the other, had to supercede the rivalry(although obviously opponents are part of the decision). They repeatedly expressed an interest in continuing the games.

Conversely, Kansas refusing to play the game in either sport is a decision that impacts hundreds of thousands of dollars. An understandable decision in football if they have to continue playing 9 game conference football decisions, but the response on the basketball side and the tenor from everyone on the KU side is that of bitterness and spite.

Sure, both schools share blame if the rivalry goes away. When you look at the consequences of that decision though, it’s pretty clear who is doing so with some legitimate reasoning.

by Transmogrified Tiger on Nov 28, 2011 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

My hate for kansas runs deep.

I will continue to hate kU whether we play them every year or not. I will root for any team playing them, in any sport, in any conference.

Our move to the SEC was not made “knowing full well that it would have implications for the Border War.” We made the move knowing that true Tiger fans could give a $hit about what role kU would play in a move that betters our university. I would never let a fictional bird stand in the way of my University’s progress, and I’m glad our leadership did what they did.

by MUStL on Nov 28, 2011 4:17 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Basically,

We made the move with full knowledge that KU might be douchebags about the whole thing and stop playing us — even though both schools obviously could agree to continue one of the oldest rivalries in the country as a non-conference rivalry.

True to form, they are douchebags, and so we may no longer play.

As you say, this is not an argument for letting the douchebags make our decisions for us.

by MU'97 on Nov 28, 2011 4:26 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

You really don't think Mizzou considered the implications it would have on the Border War?

You think the administration is that inept as to completely ignore its most time-honored tradition and the implications it would have?

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Nov 29, 2011 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

God, how mediocre would that be?

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Nov 28, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

At this point

Wouldn’t mediocrity be an improvement?

If I was a KU fan, I would take mediocrity and be happy.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Nov 28, 2011 1:19 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

It's Stockholm syndrome.

They’ve had nubbers laying on top of them since 1867.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Nov 28, 2011 1:40 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

or dear God that's nice.

Never Forget Wolf Island, or pie. #AHAMF, it's vaguely sordid.

by Spider_Monkey on Nov 28, 2011 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

why do candy companies

put “fun size” on their little packages of candy? have you ever bought a large bag of candy and regretted it because it was no fun? who is the dolt that thought up this concept? mass quantities are way more fun than miniscule quantities.

In love with the new Gaknar avatar.

by threadkiller on Nov 28, 2011 2:44 PM CST reply actions  

I knew you were an ol' geezer

But this is Andy Rooney quality material her!

by MizzouRugby on Nov 28, 2011 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

i just call 'em like i see 'em.

and get off my lawn.

In love with the new Gaknar avatar.

by threadkiller on Nov 28, 2011 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Haha

But I do agree. The ‘Fun Size’ should be the five pound bag of gummy bears.

by MizzouRugby on Nov 28, 2011 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Who is the dolt that thought up this concept?

Probably someone who has a fun size package… of candy.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Nov 28, 2011 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

It was thought up by the kid who never has his own candy and can't get anyone to share their big candy with him.

“But you have an entire bag of fun size to share!”

Never Forget Wolf Island, or pie. #AHAMF, it's vaguely sordid.

by Spider_Monkey on Nov 28, 2011 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Mitch Hedberg

I want to get a vending machine, with fun sized candy bars, and the glass in front is a magnifying glass. You’ll be mad, but it will be too late.

Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.

by mizzou2396 on Nov 28, 2011 3:06 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

+1

"...I'm not trying to act giddy but the guy is a stud.'' - Terry McDonough, Director of Player Personnel, Jacksonville Jaguars

by TmannZOU on Nov 28, 2011 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

why do they call it ovaltine?

the can isn’t oval, it’s round. they should call it roundtine.

In love with the new Gaknar avatar.

by threadkiller on Nov 28, 2011 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

You know why they call it that right?

If you are just quoting Seinfeld, I won’t bother.

"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan

Rocky Balboa once told me, "Nothing is real if you don't believe in who you are."

by Kpz1234 on Nov 28, 2011 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

The original name of Ovaltine was something like "Ovomaltine".

Ovo for egg, and maltine for malt, which were the original ingredients. Somewhere along the way, it was misspelled and then shortened to Ovaltine,

"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan

Rocky Balboa once told me, "Nothing is real if you don't believe in who you are."

by Kpz1234 on Nov 28, 2011 5:17 PM CST up reply actions  

http://www.ovomaltine.com/

"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan

Rocky Balboa once told me, "Nothing is real if you don't believe in who you are."

by Kpz1234 on Nov 28, 2011 5:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Am I the only one wondering how we're doing in recruiting?

I know this is the realm of pay sites, and since Mizzou hasn’t hired me to be HCGP’s driver, I am not subscribing, but we only have 12 commits right now. One would think this might tick up with our move to the SEC.

"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan

Rocky Balboa once told me, "Nothing is real if you don't believe in who you are."

by Kpz1234 on Nov 28, 2011 5:26 PM CST reply actions  

we had a couple of guys waiver

Evan Boehm is looking at options again (he went to Auburn this weekend); Jonathan Williams backed out and went with Arkansast; Dorial Green-Beckham remains undecided.

Those are the big ones that I know of. I don’t subscribe to PowerMizzou so there are probably others that are in the fold I am unaware of.

Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.

by mizzou2396 on Nov 28, 2011 5:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Not sure that would be as attractive to Mauk as you'd think.

Meyer’s gonna need a year or two to build an effective spread, and I’m not sure a QB like Mauk who committed to Mizzou in the first place because of his possible role in our offense would be willing to be part of a rebuilding process like that. Not saying we’re for sure gonna light the world up with him, but our spread has been pretty well established for a few years now, and Meyer is gonna need a couple years to put his thumbprint on that program. I guess it also depends how he views tOSU from a hometown perspective, but you’ve gotta think he likes his chances in our offense with a QB almost exactly like him having passed through here just a few years ago and having tremendous success.

by CapnCribbs on Nov 28, 2011 7:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it also depends on

whether Mauk likes to get hit or not. Meyer has always used a running quarterback. When he didn’t have one, he found someone else to do the job in short yardage. Yost has shown a willingness to use a running quarterbacks when he has one, but Chase and Blaine didn’t run any more than was absolutely necessary to keep the defense honest, and I imagine he would use the same game plan with Mauk.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Nov 28, 2011 7:42 PM CST up reply actions  

What I've seen in his hightlights...

(I know highlight aren’t a great gauge of a player’s abilities, but it’s all we’ve got for HS kids) Mauk can run, but not through tacklers.

by CapnCribbs on Nov 28, 2011 8:00 PM CST up reply actions  

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