Study Hall: Mizzou 88, Binghamton 59
by Bill C. on Nov 30, 2011 11:22 AM CST
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Better late than never, right? You may even get a Kansas BTBS post this week! Woohoo!
Your Trifecta: English-Ratliffe-Denmon. Your winner: Mizzoufarmer! Two winners in five games!
First things first: I didn't see a second of this game, as I was driving back from Oklahoma City (and stopping for a seventh trip to Braum's in five days). Here are some of the texts I received from The Beef on my drive...
33-21. UGLY game for Matt Pressey. A little lethargic from the team. There is NO ONE there. Big games for English and Ratliffe.
(At halftime) Dixon and M Pressey were a little sloppy. Denmon has some points but English was the show. The D could actually be a little better.
Dixon and Denmon have not shot well, but I don't think Ratliffe and Moore have missed a FG. 78-49 at under 7 in what may be the fastest game ever.
I'd bet B'hamton has hit 6 or 7 3's in the half. Green with 8 pts. Game will end in just over 90 minutes. MU wins 88-59 and has 3 wins this week by 97 points.
So we'll go ahead and call that my impression of the game as well.
Mizzou 88, Binghamton 59
| Mizzou |
Bearcats | |
| Pace (No. of Possessions) |
66.4 |
|
| Points Per Minute |
2.20 |
1.48 |
| Points Per Possession (PPP) |
1.33 |
0.89 |
| Points Per Shot (PPS) |
1.42 |
1.28 |
| 2-PT FG% | 76.7% |
55.2% |
| 3-PT FG% | 34.4% |
41.2% |
| FT% | 60.0% |
75.0% |
| True Shooting % | 64.1% |
59.6% |
| Mizzou | Bearcats | |
| Assists | 23 |
10 |
| Steals | 11 |
5 |
| Turnovers | 6 |
22 |
| Ball Control Index (BCI) (Assists + Steals) / TO |
5.67 |
0.68 |
| Mizzou | Bearcats | |
| Expected Offensive Rebounds | 10 |
8 |
| Offensive Rebounds | 8 |
5 |
| Difference | -2 |
-3 |
Some bullet points...
- Mizzou still held Binghamton to a pretty low per-possession point total, but those shooting numbers are a little higher than I would like to see.
- That BCI, on the other hand, has to be one of Mizzou's best ever.
- God, we're taking good shots this year.
- God, we're not turning the ball over this year.
- God, we're not fouling this year.
Mizzou Player Stats
(Definitions at the bottom of the post.)
| Player |
AdjGS | GmSc/Min | Line |
| Kim English |
23.9 |
0.89 |
27 Min, 29 Pts (11-15 FG, 7-10 3PT), 2 Ast |
| Ricardo Ratliffe |
17.8 |
0.99 |
18 Min, 18 Pts (7-7 FG, 4-5 FT), 5 Reb (2 Off) |
| Marcus Denmon |
12.5 |
0.52 |
24 Min, 13 Pts (5-13 FG, 3-9 3PT), 4 Reb (2 Off), 3 Stl, 2 Ast |
| Phil Pressey |
12.4 |
0.44 |
28 Min, 0 Pts (0-0 FG), 11 Ast, 5 Reb, 3 Stl |
|
Kadeem Green |
8.7 |
0.58 |
15 Min, 8 Pts (3-4 FG, 2-5 FT), 5 Reb (2 Off), 2 Ast |
| Mike Dixon |
8.1 |
0.28 |
29 Min, 11 Pts (4-10 FG, 1-6 3PT, 2-2 FT), 3 Ast, 2 Stl, 2 TO |
| Steve Moore |
5.8 |
0.31 |
19 Min, 7 Pts (3-3 FG, 1-2 FT), 2 Ast |
|
Matt Pressey |
0.3 |
0.01 |
27 Min, 2 Pts (1-6 FG, 0-3 3PT, 0-1 FT), 3 Reb, 2 Stl |
|
Andy Rosburg |
0.3 |
0.10 |
3 Min, 1 Reb |
|
Jarrett Sutton |
-2.5 |
-0.25 |
10 Min, 0 Pts (0-4 3PT), 1 Reb |
- If Kim English missed his next 24 3-pointers, he would still be shooting 40% on them for the season.
- (Please don't do that, Kimmeh.)
- At some point, Phil Pressey had to have consciously realized "I might get double-digits assists with no field goal attempts. There is no way in hell I'm taking a shot the rest of this game."
- Look at Kadeem Green! (You could have had double digit points if you made your free throws, KG.)
- Denmon, Dixon and Matt Pressey combined to shoot 4-for-18 on 3-pointers. Kimmeh alone was able to drag Mizzou's team 3-point% to 34%.
- How efficient has Ratliffe been this year? He's actually fifth in John Hollinger's PER rating among major conference players with at least 100 minutes.
| Player | Usage% | Floor% | Touches/ Poss. |
%Pass | %Shoot | %Fouled | %T/O |
| English |
32% |
65% |
3.1 |
42% |
54% |
0% |
4% |
| Ratliffe |
30% |
71% |
2.2 |
0% |
53% |
40% |
8% |
| Denmon |
29% |
36% |
3.1 |
48% |
52% |
0% |
0% |
| P. Pressey |
0% |
N/A |
6.9 |
100% |
0% |
0% | 0% |
| Green |
22% |
57% |
4.2 |
56% |
19% |
25% |
0% |
| Dixon |
24% |
37% |
3.3 |
56% |
31% |
7% |
6% |
| Moore |
14% |
66% |
2.8 |
66% |
17% |
12% |
6% |
| M. Pressey |
15% |
15% |
1.5 |
42% |
43% |
8% |
7% |
To the checklist!
Marcus Denmon's Usage% needs to be 23% or higher. (Yes!)
Kim English's %T/O needs to be at 10% or lower. (Yes!)
Kim English's Floor% should be at 35% or higher. (Yes!)
Ricardo Ratliffe's %Fouled should be at least 10%. (Yes!)
Phil Pressey's Touches/Possession need to be 3.5 or better. (To say the least.)
Mike Dixon's %Pass should be 55% or higher. (Yes!)
Steve Moore's Touches/Possession should be at least 1.0. (Yes!)
A perfect seven-for-seven.
Summary
I'm still struggling to grasp how well Mizzou has played this season. That is all.
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AdjGS: a take-off of the Game Score metric (definition here) accepted by a lot of basketball stat nerds. It takes points, assists, rebounds (offensive & defensive), steals, blocks, turnovers and fouls into account to determine an individual's "score" for a given game. The "adjustment" in Adjusted Game Score is simply matching the total game scores to the total points scored in the game, thereby redistributing the game's points scored to those who had the biggest impact on the game itself, instead of just how many balls a player put through a basket.
Usage%: This "estimates the % of team possessions a player consumes while on the floor" (via). The usage of those possessions is determined via a formula using field goal and free throw attempts, offensive rebounds, assists and turnovers. The higher the number, the more prevalent a player is (good or bad) in a team's offensive outcome. As you would expect, someone like Kim English has a high Usage%, while Steve Moore has an extremely low one.
Floor%: Via Basketball-Reference.com: Floor % answers the question, "when Player X uses a possession, what is the probability that his team scores at least 1 point?". The higher the Floor%, the more frequently the team probably scores when the given player is involved.
Touches/Possession: Using field goal attempts, free throw attempts, assists and turnovers, Touches attempt to estimate "the number of times a player touched the ball in an attacking position on the floor." Take the estimated touches and divide it by the estimated number of possessions for which a player was on the court, and you get a rough idea of how many times a player touched the ball in a given possession. For point guards, you'll see the number in the 3-4 range. For shooting guards and wings, 2-3. For Steve Moore, 1.30. You get the idea.
Anyway, using the Touches figure, we can estimate the percentage of time a player "in an attacking position" passes, shoots, turns the ball over, or gets fouled.
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I'm not a statistician...
But I wholly approve of your 7:5 Braum’s visit ratio.
Sweet sweet Braum’s. Next to White Castle, it’s the restaurant chain (that is realistic to expect – Portillo’s isn’t venturing this way any time soon) that I most wish the KC area would get.
Portillo's ships
My parents lives in KC and we ordered it for Black Friday’s dinner. Granted, we had to cook it, but it was just as good.
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Money quote
I’m still struggling to grasp how well Mizzou has played this season. That is all.
I don’t totally understand it, but I love it.
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by UribeAuction on Nov 30, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
so i guess bill doesn't even bother reading
my texts. anyway, the thing that stands out to me about this game is the same as every other so far: kim is going straight up 90% of the time this season. he’s always had the stroke, now he has the form to go with it.
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Going by Gameflow, we had a "safe lead"....
5 minutes and 27 seconds into the game. That’s quite impressive.
"Please don't do that, Kimmeh."
Exactly what I thought when I read the sentence before (put bad thoughts in my head). But that is still awesome.
"I try to shoot shots that I know are going to go in."
-Marcus Denmon
I felt like another bullet point should have been:
God, what was Mike Anderson doing last year?
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not fat, just luxurious.
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by BillSelfsToupee on Nov 30, 2011 11:46 AM CST reply actions
As more and more time passes and info trickles out
It appears he was not at all trying to cultivate an actual team. I think that may end up being the most glaring difference between last year and this year.
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by The Beef on Nov 30, 2011 11:49 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I look at it a bit differently
and of course who knows what really happened. But it seems like the guys lost trust in the “system,” or lack thereof. Like, they wanted to learn basketball, and MA wasn’t teaching them. We were just not-very-effectively pressing all the time on D and not running a discernible offense.
"I try to shoot shots that I know are going to go in."
-Marcus Denmon
If this keeps up, you have to think it will help with recruiting against Arky
“So Frank Haith was more successful with your players than you were.”
“Yeah, well, the Antlers are jerks.”
GO GO FIGHTING METH AGGIES!
While that may certainly be the case
There are plenty of folks saying that chemistry was a HUGE issue last year.
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yeah, it's really interrelated/maybe the same thing
Like, if everyone is “buying in” to what the coach is saying, everyone will play better, regardless of the system. But when there’s doubt/lack of chemistry, things fall apart.
"I try to shoot shots that I know are going to go in."
-Marcus Denmon
this statement makes me wish I could remember who we lost from last year.
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by Spider_Monkey on Nov 30, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
Safford. And Mike Anderson.
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by Bill C. on Nov 30, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Blame Ricky Kreklow?
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by Spider_Monkey on Nov 30, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
NNNUUUUUUKKKKEEE!
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Nov 30, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
It's like getting paid $6 million to NOT coach kU football.
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by Spider_Monkey on Nov 30, 2011 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
ku wat
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by threadkiller on Nov 30, 2011 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
Bowers
was obviously the problem.
/kidding of course
Don't start der party?
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by Spider_Monkey on Nov 30, 2011 2:08 PM CST up reply actions
How does one un-start a party?
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Nov 30, 2011 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
forget the Haas Avacados and/or Dr. Pepper?
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by Spider_Monkey on Nov 30, 2011 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
Didn't Kimmie say he might not be back here
if CMA was? And we all see how Kimmie has responded to this change thus far.
If that is true, that’s all I need to know something was not right last year.
by CBonerfied on Nov 30, 2011 1:58 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
He admitted after the coaching change that he had thought about that, yes.
Kimmie was clearly very frustrated last year. SOMETHING was not meshing for him. We could see from his stat sheets that he was not copacetic.;
He more than admitted that he thought about it
he told the Post-Dispatch recently that he was gone if Mike Anderson came back. I don’t have a link, but you could find it with minimal effort.
It had to be frustrating to be him last year
he’s a great set shooter, but his open-court skills weren’t fit for the system. With a little structure, not only could his shots be more set, but his drives/mid-range game come more naturally. In a way, there’s less thinking involved in a sport when there’s more structure.
Plus, Ratliffe and Moore were always in foul trouble because the defensive style was so loose up front, they’d have to foul to prevent easy buckets (which they couldn’t do every time).
Point guards weren’t able to get into the flow of the game before they were substituted. Look at what Phil is doing with more PT and offensive philosophy. Dixon will come around too when his shots start to fall.
In retrospect, it’s easy to see why numerous players could have been frustrated with the Fastest 40. But the number one reason for frustration: it wasn’t working. The team underachieved BIGTIME last year.
He also has to bear some responsibility
He forced a lot of silly shots. A lot of drives to the lane ended in a feeble triple-pump circus move that consistently got swatted back into his face. It was puzzling to see him keep going back to that move game after game when it never, ever worked for him. Maybe that was just him rebelling.
I doubt it was rebel behavior
the Fastest 40 let players play. While that works for some people, a guy like Kimmie (very cerebral) might get into his own head a bit—or a lot. If a guy like Kim is struggling, he would have a tendency to do too much in order to get working again. And for what we know, CMA never gave Kim any concrete basketball feedback, since his struggles did not lessen at any point during the conference season. A true coach sees that his team a) isn’t playing good defense in the half court, and b) cannot execute an offense vs. an active zone defense. That coach makes changes to better his chances of victory and put his players in better position to excel. Anderson didn’t do that.
I know you were on that last sentence
I personally believe that a good coach would have fixed Kim’s offensive game and not let him go back to a triple pump circus move.
Fool me once, shame on you, Kim; fool me all season, shame on CMA.
Yeah, I think the style didn’t suit Kimmie’s game, so he was forced to try to come up with new parts to his game, and he just wasn’t good at those because he hadn’t spend the years and thousands of hours working on them that he had with the established parts of his game. If Kimmie is going to be one of your main guys you’ve got to find a way to fit him into your system that works for him. MA never did that.
Or possibly
he was just trying to push them all into a system that didn’t fit them. It worked with Tiller and Taylor and Mr. Dreads, but when those players left he was unable or unwilling to adapt his system to fig the strengths of the new players. Haith, OTOH, is working with what he’s got. That means a system a lot LIKE HCMA’s, but tweaked and refined much better.
That's what I believe to be true as well
and I would guess that once this year’s senior class leaves, we may see something different as well.
But that would make XCMA unwilling to adapt, and settling for mediocrity.
I thought we only allowed that on the football team?
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by Spider_Monkey on Nov 30, 2011 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
as well.
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by Spider_Monkey on Nov 30, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
What you talk'in 'bout wellas?
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Nov 30, 2011 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
how 'bout that nuclear wessel?
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by threadkiller on Nov 30, 2011 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
Anyway, there’s a continuum with, at the one end, creating your system to be whatever happens to best fit your current players, and at the other end, having a machine of a system that jacks new warm bodies in as needed. Anderson absorbed the latter from Richardson, but perhaps was a little too evangelical about it, pushing it too far. It’s like the cliche about the converted being more rabid than those born into the same belief system.
and THAT's why TK has a compound. :-)
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by Spider_Monkey on Nov 30, 2011 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
and right next to my compound
is my complex.
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by threadkiller on Nov 30, 2011 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
One of my good friends knows Saffy
And he said that Anderson was more concerned about his career than his players.
/shocker
OMG Saffy had bad attitude! He ruined that team!!
/I don’t know jack.
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by Spider_Monkey on Nov 30, 2011 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
What information are you referring to?
I haven’t gotten that impression at all, but I also have been paying less attention to basketball than I should.
kept thinking of answers to this.
But, they all sounded mean. And really, who cares.
"I try to shoot shots that I know are going to go in."
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by Gaknar on Nov 30, 2011 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Checking "D1 basketball head coaching vacancies" section on craigslist
"I try to shoot shots that I know are going to go in."
-Marcus Denmon
Yeah I know, that can take forever.
"I try to shoot shots that I know are going to go in."
-Marcus Denmon
If MU had announced going to the SEC before Arky offered, would he have stayed here and been happy to recruit the SEC speed?
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by Spider_Monkey on Nov 30, 2011 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
Well so far the unranked Arky Andersons have pummelled a bunch of cupcake teams, and lost by 9 points to the Houston Cougars of conference USA – who are, in turn, 3-3 after 1 point losses to TCU and LSU.
So he’s not setting the world on fire yet with his high powered recruits. Not that this means a whole heck of a lot.
Sagarin has us #7 (!!) and Arky #113 (out of 345 – poor Hartford, the absolute bottom of that enormous heap – someone’s gotta be).
I don't think Arky is making the tourney this year
they’ve had injuries, transfers, etc. that have severely impacted their ceiling.
I wouldn’t mind it if they miss all postseason b-ball for the schadenfreude-ist way
So what you're saying is Houston, TCU, and LSU are basketball schools?
/Houston to the Big Equation!
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by Spider_Monkey on Nov 30, 2011 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
Not to nitpick,
But your grid shows Ratliffe having a %Fouled of 40%, which would be a bit higher than the 10% threshold on the checklist.
Not to pick your nitpick, but the rule is “Ricardo Ratliffe’s Fouled should be at least 10”.
40% > 10%, so his Fouled was, indeed, “at least” 10.
And I'm just going to nitpick your pick of my nitpick
by pointing out that Bill originally had a No for that checklist item and has since repented and changed it to a Yes.
So, my nit is now outdated, but was well worth the picking at the time.
It's okay to pick the nits . . .
. . . as long as you don’t eat them the way the monkeys do.
57-54-9 . . . get used to it, jaybirds; and let us know when you want us to make it worse. Go Mizzou!
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by Spider_Monkey on Nov 30, 2011 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
You also have Flip with 28 points in the AdjGS chart
Pretty sure it’s minutes.
Awesome start to the season.
i think you can have adjgs points, without having had to score actual points in the game.
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by threadkiller on Nov 30, 2011 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, but on the other side
It’s fixed now, so you must trust me.
by Narghile on Nov 30, 2011 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
deep down i always have.
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by threadkiller on Nov 30, 2011 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, assists, turnovers, all create adjgs points. It’s the points that you CREATE for the teams, not the ones for whom your hand was the last thing touched before it went through the hoop.
But wow ... how awesome is it to have 12.4 Adjusted Game Score with zero points scored!
I’m known as a bit of a dreamer!
it's yuge!
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by Spider_Monkey on Nov 30, 2011 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
Wait...
…you guys expect me to write posts AND get things right? This isn’t what I signed up for.
(Errors fixed. I was looking at Ratliffe’s %TO, not %Fouled. I’m awesome.)
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The second sentence of your comment ends with a preposition.
by MU'97 on Nov 30, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 12 recs
You're right, "This isn’t for what I up-signed" reads much better.
"I try to shoot shots that I know are going to go in."
-Marcus Denmon
by ttt on Nov 30, 2011 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I did not sign up for this?
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by Spider_Monkey on Nov 30, 2011 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
That for which I signed up was not this.
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by DnrW on Nov 30, 2011 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
So much truth here
The “don’t end your sentences with a preposition” is up there with “don’t use the passive voice even when you have a good reason to” as the worst advice English professors dole out
There are plenty of cases
where ending a sentence with a preposition is perfectly acceptable. That “rule” isn’t very consistent.
http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/ending-prepositions.aspx
"signed up"
is a phrasal verb. Which means if you don’t end with the preposition, the sentence doesn’t make sense.
yeah, victorian grammarians basically imported a bunch of rules from latin and then insisted that English follow them too. Everyone believed them for a while because they seemed very authoritative about the whole thing. That’s where all this nonsense about split infinitives and such came from too.
Also
Today, we aren’t France and we don’t have any “grammarians” setting any rules. We, the speakers, set the rules, and the rules are always evolving. They always have and they always will. “Signed up for” is fine because we all use it and everyone understands what you’re saying when they hear it. That’s the most important consideration by far.
Medieval scribes
probably thought the same thing during the vowel and consonant shifts. Future generations will be fine. Language is not decaying, it’s not evolving toward or away from any objectively “correct” goal. It just is what it is. Whatever most of us agree on at any given point in history is what’s “correct.”
And yeah, the internet is going to have a huge impact. For the first time in history, all of us are writing and reading each other’s writing every nearly every single day—as opposed to only reading what’s published in books or newspapers. Determining “proper” usage is a more populist pursuit than ever. The unwashed masses are going make the those determinations going forward, not the gatekeepers of language in the publishing industry, or the literary writers, or the religious officials, who mostly made those determinations in the past.
If any one of us could come back from the dead five hundred years from now, we’d probably be shocked at how much different English will be. Just like someone from five hundred years ago would be today.
P.S. I study linguistics and I’d talk about this stuff all day unless someone stops me.
by Bivouac77 on Nov 30, 2011 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
tl;dr
just kidding. And I was kidding in my previous post too. That is a new perspective for me to read, and it is very interesting.
In the South Park episode where people from the future travel back in time to get jobs, all world languages are blended together to form a clicking, shrieking, gutteral sounding language. My question to you…is this really going to happen? Please say yes, because I’ve always wanted to incorporate the sounds of a grumpy southeast Asian woman into my frustrated rants. (Just kidding…or am I?)
I don't claim to have any idea what the future holds
But I’d be willing to be that whatever it is, it’ll be different. Political and cultural factors will play roles as large or larger than raw linguistic ones.
Well y’know, it’s the difference between prescriptive and descriptive grammar. The descriptive kind says “anything goes so long as people understand you”, and has always been the dominant thread (which is why English is full of bizarre rules and exceptions to rules that make no sense). But the proscriptive knd is always around from people making in-group outgroup distinctions – you wanna sound properly middle class on your job application letters so you don’t write “wanna”. You wanna sound suitably street in a tough neighborhood so you don’t say “would you potentially be so kind as to consider” there. Same thing.
HA!
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Nov 30, 2011 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
is this why my kids teachers haven't taught any sort of grammar? They all just figured it would change with usage anyway?
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by Spider_Monkey on Nov 30, 2011 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
That's actually an interesting point
There is a school of thought pervading education these days that says, “if you’re communicating, and people understand you, then that’s all that matters.” I’m conflicted about this.
How much should we teach to “proper” English? I think the answer is: in order to be best prepared to compete economically, kids need to be taught the rules of so-called “standard” English—the language of business and academia. If they aren’t being taught that, the schools are failing. The line has to be drawn somewhere. When the rules governing “standard” English in business and academia, then we should adapt the way we teach. My two cents, anyway.
Clearly
I suck at standard English. I think left about four words out of that post. Sorry, I get excited and try to post fast without proofreading and my brain moves faster than my fingers.
I meant to say, When the rules governing "standard" English in business and academia EVOLVE, then we should adapt the way we teach. My two cents, anyway.
There was a study that shows
most humans only read the first few letters in a word then infer the rest and skip to the next word.
I saw a sample of what they ment by it. There was not a single word spelled in it’s entierity nor correctly and you could still comprehend what every single word was.
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Nov 30, 2011 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
sounds like a sketchy "study"
I’m guessing all the correct letter were there, but just marginally out of place?
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From what I remember
yes. Usually the first three letters of word of a certain size were correct, spacing and punctuation were correct as well.
For longer words the first few letters were right, then maybe the last one to two letters were correct.
It was pretty cool to see. There are tons of “visual” trick type things that the human brain just takes information and infers everything else.
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Nov 30, 2011 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
I went running though the park yesterday.
did it work???
"I try to shoot shots that I know are going to go in."
-Marcus Denmon
I can't believe you robbed a liquor store!
/I can read between the lines.
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you should've run aroud the park.
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by Spider_Monkey on Nov 30, 2011 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, that's the funny thing about grammar
things are incorrect until they’re not. For ending sentences with prepositions, I am all about.
"I try to shoot shots that I know are going to go in."
-Marcus Denmon
nobody likes a snark cramper.
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by threadkiller on Nov 30, 2011 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
TO THE COMPOUND!
…..mean while at TKs complex.
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Nov 30, 2011 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I always thought TK might be a supervillain on the D/L.
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by Spider_Monkey on Nov 30, 2011 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
i owe the complex to rmn, since it was donated by them/yous guys.
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by threadkiller on Nov 30, 2011 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
you have upgraded your facilities with infinite SEC money.
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by Spider_Monkey on Nov 30, 2011 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
Beginners luck!
On getting the fecta right on only my 2nd time entering.
I really think it is nice to see different guys stepping up each night. But we still know that Denmon is our go to guy if we need a clutch basket.
I am the racoon that has been living in your attic for a week
by Mizzoufarmer on Nov 30, 2011 12:23 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
right at this moment,
i’d look for kimmie.
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by threadkiller on Nov 30, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
but that's why we'll go to M. Pressey
no one will see it coming.
"I try to shoot shots that I know are going to go in."
-Marcus Denmon
that would be a bonus.
"I try to shoot shots that I know are going to go in."
-Marcus Denmon
Coach let Green play for 15 minutes??
/Maybe he DOES want him ready for conference play. :-)
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i would hope so.
he’s proven to be a good guy on the glass thus far in his limited playing time.
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by threadkiller on Nov 30, 2011 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
Very promising.
If his learning curve ocntinues, he could give us 10 minutes a game come conference time, which would be yuje.
by MU'97 on Nov 30, 2011 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
is "yuje" a nod in al michaels' direction? rec'd, regardless.
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by threadkiller on Nov 30, 2011 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
During Christmas season, do Bammers ever say Yule Tide instead of Roll Tide?
/That would be so yule.
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by Spider_Monkey on Nov 30, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
so cyule, you mean?
"I try to shoot shots that I know are going to go in."
-Marcus Denmon
don't be a byoob, Wan. :-)
Just because your English is olde-er than ours, eh?
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by Spider_Monkey on Nov 30, 2011 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
Funnily enough, American English has actually been generally more conservative, and is closer to 18th century English than the modern Brit version is. There are some people on small islands off the East coast whose speech would actually fit in remarkably smoothly with people in the 1700’s.
Weird, no?
i thought this seemed appropriate in this spot:
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by threadkiller on Nov 30, 2011 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
he was very educational.
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by threadkiller on Nov 30, 2011 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know what to think about that. It's like you're calling us proper Brits or something.
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by Spider_Monkey on Nov 30, 2011 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
I guess or old fashioned.
It just is what it is. Languages evolve at different rates and in different ways when the speakers are isolated from each other. The Aussie’s evolved THEIR English slightly differently still. What can you do.
I can believe that. There were sayings
and quips to go along with word usage from a few people I’ve known from the UK that would make your head spin.
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Nov 30, 2011 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
they adapt while we settle for mediocrity in language.
boom Yost’d.
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by Spider_Monkey on Nov 30, 2011 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
I have to say
I appreciated Anderson while he was here. He brought back the program from the dead. The 2008 team alone was worth it alone. But…
There is a serious part of me that hopes his Arkansas team plays weel enough to earn a first round match up with us in the tourney, because I would love to give the seniors that game.
by MU'97 on Nov 30, 2011 12:36 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Personally, I hope our first round matchup
is vs. Northwest Maine Technical Basketweaving Tech.
Because we’d be a 1 seed.
NWTBT has a couple of big guys who might give us trouble down low.
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by mizzou2396 on Nov 30, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
They truly are a Benetton team
Future basketweaver-athletes from Iceland, Mongolia, Zimbabwe, French Guyana, Luxembourg, and the Yukon Territories. Lots of different basket techniques…and basketball techniques. Although I am not sure that they play defense with their feet very well. Actually, I am not sure if they know the rules of the sport at all. I just hope our Tigers stay on their toes and watch out for flying knives if we face them in the tourney.
Their defensive weave has to be believed to be seen.
by Wan Ihite on Nov 30, 2011 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I believe you meant "beweaved to be seen"
as well
by CBonerfied on Nov 30, 2011 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
I refuse to admit that I laughed at this.
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That was the funniest damn thing I read today.
The sleeper has awoken. . .awakened. . .he woke up.
by SleepyFloyd7 on Nov 30, 2011 11:05 PM CST up reply actions
Hasn't NWTBT knocked kU out of the tourney 3 of the last 5 years?
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by Spider_Monkey on Nov 30, 2011 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You guys are belittling our directional friends from the Northeast
it’s NWMTBT. Don’t forget the M, because otherwise, they could be from Idaho…who knows?
Never turn your back on a Luxembourgian
in a basketweaving contest.
If you do it once, you won’t be weaving again.
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Nov 30, 2011 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
I have a greater fear of Lichtensteiners.
SO unsuspecting.
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by Spider_Monkey on Nov 30, 2011 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
besides, all Luxembourgers are drunk on fruity flavored biere
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by Spider_Monkey on Nov 30, 2011 7:02 PM CST up reply actions
Okay... this has bothered me for a long time
What does the “% safe” even MEAN? Clearly teams with a 12-2 lead win more than 2% of the time. And also as clearly, they’re odds of winning have increased by more than 2% since the beginning of the game. Does it mean that they have 2% of a lead that would be considered safe at that point? It seems like it shouldn’t take a 500 point lead 5:30 in to the game to make it completely safe, so that doesn’t make sense either. I looked at statsheet.com, but I couldn’t find anything (okay, I didn’t look that hard, but I did look!)
Can anyone help me?
Huh.
I thought the percentage was actually going to mean something probabilistically, but it doesn’t. Not all 2% leads are equally safe, probabilistically. Disappointing actually. I can see why he calls it heuristic.
by Chief Bartle on Nov 30, 2011 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
Don't get me wrong
I like the definition for how safe it is.. I just don’t like the percentages. I would prefer them if they were the ratio of current difference to difference needed, as opposed to the ratio current spread squared to time remaining.
If it said that the lead was 30% safe with 14:33 remaining in the first, I would know that they’d need 3.33 times as much of a margin to make the lead safe at the same time. Seems simpler to wrap your mind around.
by Chief Bartle on Nov 30, 2011 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
correction
I like the definition of WHEN it is safe.
by Chief Bartle on Nov 30, 2011 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
well there's two variables- time and margin
and % safe is based on time. I think it would be conceptually identical if it was based on margin, right?
"I try to shoot shots that I know are going to go in."
-Marcus Denmon
Except that
He’s squaring the margin and comparing it to time. I’d like to see the margin compared to the square root of time… which seems like a concept that’s easier to grasp on the fly.
by Chief Bartle on Nov 30, 2011 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
Essentially
He’s showing us [(10-3.5)^2]/2073 = 2%
I’d like to see 10/[(2073^.5)+3.5] = 20% (did the calculation wrong earlier when I said 30%… forgot about the 2nd half)
by Chief Bartle on Nov 30, 2011 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
That way I know...
Hey, if the margin was 5 times as big, they’d be safe… seems easier to think about than Hey if the time left was 1/50th of what it is now, they’d be safe.
by Chief Bartle on Nov 30, 2011 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
I see your point.
I’m just used to thinking about it the other way I guess.
"I try to shoot shots that I know are going to go in."
-Marcus Denmon
Btw, Thanks!
I used this website to set up a function on my phone that will calculate the safeness of a lead, just inputing the 3 variables (margin, time, ball). Will be fun to have that.
by Chief Bartle on Nov 30, 2011 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
what keeps me from being super duper excited (I am currently on the super excited level)
is to see how we play on the road. The KC games were essentially home games. MSG would be very telling because it would be a home game for ’Nova. If they pass that test, then …
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
we should get all ramped up to see spectators in the stands...
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by Spider_Monkey on Nov 30, 2011 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Off-topic, but does anybody know when tickets go on sale for the game against Illinois?
Illinois is starting to sell them through their website, so does that mean Mizzou will start selling its allotment soon?
they'll be in the title hunt in 5 years.
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by threadkiller on Nov 30, 2011 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
How ya like that kU? But what a great job he's passing up in Lawrentz.
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by Spider_Monkey on Nov 30, 2011 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
as well.
Never Forget Wolf Island, or pie. #AHAMF, it's vaguely sordid.
by Spider_Monkey on Nov 30, 2011 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
in addition to.
(ok because of a previous post)
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by threadkiller on Nov 30, 2011 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
as swell.
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by Spider_Monkey on Nov 30, 2011 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
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