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What If ... Mizzou Were Already In The SEC (Intro)?

Mizzou in the SEC in the early 1990s? Good luck with that, Bob Stull.

(It's What If season, evidently, as I'm unleashing a different kind of What If series at Football Study Hall today as well.)

If you are a long-time reader, you knew this series was coming. To gauge the impact of something on the future, I tend to look at how things would have been affected in the past. We've heard about how the SEC is a major step up in football competition, and we know it will represent a significant change for Mizzou in terms of both football culture and rivalry. So to get a read for just how much things might change, we are going to flash back. And since Mizzou's move to the SEC a) has actually happened (unlike certain old "What If ... Big Ten" pieces) and b) is a really, really big deal, we're going to take this thing back a long way.

In 1992, Arkansas and South Carolina began play in a 12-team SEC. It was the first conference with two divisions and a championship game. As we saw from the recent The Play That Changed College Football documentary, this was an enormous change. The SEC nearly lost a national title contender in its very first year with a championship game, and in general, quite a few people were incredibly resistant to this sort of change. For this series, however, we're going to pretend the change was even bigger. Instead of stopping at 12 teams, the SEC went ahead and added Texas A&M and Missouri as well.

Now, we know this probably wouldn't have played out this way. (After all, it didn't in real life.) Missouri's football program was in shambles, and in 1992, simply having TV markets in your state wasn't much of a draw. With football still the primary driver of change, Mizzou didn't exactly have much to offer. But in new, Alternate 1992, they were invited nonetheless. They just were.

The conference's new alignment represented an almost seminal moment in college football's history. Other 'super conferences' adopted the 12-team, divisional format, including the Big 12, ACC, MAC and, recently, the Big Ten and Pac-12. The point of this series will be to gauge how Mizzou may have fared over the years, but before we get to that, I can't help myself: let's think about what this move would have meant for the college football landscape as a whole.

  • Instead of moving to 12 teams, the benchmark would have potentially been set at 14. The scheduling is messier, but there is no artificial barrier at 12 teams anymore.
  • The SWC has now lost two major programs and fallen to seven teams overall, and the Big 8 is now the Big 7 again. Think about what this may have meant. There is the distinct possibility that these two conferences would have merged as whole entities. Big 14 North: the remaining Big 8 teams; Big 14 South: the remaining SWC teams. Rice, SMU, TCU and Houston: still major conference teams. Congratulations, Rice! (It's also possible that the Big 8 could have moved to bring in teams like BYU, Air Force and Colorado State and attempted to move to 10-12 teams. Same with the SWC and programs like UTEP or New Mexico.)
  • Around this same time, eastern independents were jostling for position. Before Florida State agreed to join the ACC, there were rumors of a larger, more interesting Big East; plus, there was the specter of a potential Metro Conference for football that would include seemingly every major population base in the Eastern Time Zone. Though the 16-team proposal included South Carolina (and therefore was no longer realistic), it isn't hard to envision a 14-team Metro coming to fruition, even if Florida State were to still go to the ACC.

    Metro North: Boston College, Cincinnati, Pitt, Rutgers, Syracuse, Temple, West Virginia
    Metro South: East Carolina, Louisville, Memphis State, Miami, Southern Miss, Tulane, Virginia Tech

    Without FSU and South Carolina, this conference is lacking a bit; instead, it is basically what would become the Big East, plus a few more southern schools that would end up in Conference USA. With the SEC going all the way to 14 teams, it is quite possible that this may have come to fruition, with Miami and an emerging Virginia Tech team anchoring the South while a revolving door of interesting teams takes turns leading the North. (That, or the ACC may have been more aggressive and pursued programs like Miami, B.C. or Virginia Tech earlier than they eventually did.)
  • When the WAC moved to 16 teams in the mid-1990s, it happened in part because of three SWC teams that became available -- Rice, SMU and TCU. With those three in a Big 14, the WAC potentially only moves to 12 or 14 teams. And without cultural differences like Rice-Fresno State, such a conference may have had a higher potential chance for survival.

Star-divide

So really, an SEC move to 14 teams may have spurred more major realignment changes to happen sooner. By the mid-1990s, we could have had a conference alignment that looked something like this:

SEC (14 teams)

East: Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Missouri, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
West: Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, LSU, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Texas A&M

(It's also possible that, since you wouldn't be adding Mizzou and A&M to preexisting divisions, then something could have been drawn up that made a little more geographic sense.)

ACC (9)

Clemson, Duke, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Maryland, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia, Wake Forest

(Would there be extra pressure to at least move to 10 or 12 teams? And who would make the cut, with Miami still in major "rogue program" mode and Virginia Tech not yet emerging as a major program? Move north with B.C., Pitt and Syracuse?)

Big 10 (11)

Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Northwestern, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue, Wisconsin

(Would there be extra pressure to at least move to 12 teams at this point? Would the Big Ten care?)

Big 14 (14)

North: Colorado, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State
South: Baylor, Houston, Rice, SMU, TCU, Texas, Texas Tech

Metro (14)

Metro North: Boston College, Cincinnati, Pitt, Rutgers, Syracuse, Temple, West Virginia
Metro South: East Carolina, Louisville, Memphis State, Miami, Southern Miss, Tulane, Virginia Tech

Pac-10 (10)

Arizona, Arizona State, California, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington, Washington State

WAC (14)

East: Air Force, Colorado State, New Mexico, New Mexico State, Tulsa, UTEP, Wyoming
West: BYU, Fresno State, Hawaii, San Diego State, San Jose State, UNLV, Utah

(And you know Boise State would eventually move into this conference once they were established.)

There would have been no Conference USA, really -- most of it would have either been absorbed by the WAC or Metro. So instead of (eventually) 120 or so FBS teams landing in 11 conferences, it may be something more like nine.

But I digress. Significantly. In the next post, it's time to play some (fake) games. Here is what you should know about Missouri's SEC schedules for 1992 and beyond:

  • Because of the presence of 11-game schedules, there is just no way the SEC would have even thought about nine-game conference schedules. Eight games it is. That means exactly what it means now (for at least a few years): six division games, one permanent inter-division rival, and one rotating home-and-home with the other six schools.
  • Missouri plays Kansas in non-conference every year. They just do. This is my imaginary world, and I can do what I want.
  • Missouri's permanent rival is Arkansas, not Texas A&M. To this point, Mizzou has no connection to A&M, so there is no natural tie there. Instead, we go with geography. And the Hog hate feels so good.

So in the next installment of this series, Mizzou will take on the following 1992 and 1993 schedules:

1992 (preseason rankings included)
9/12: at Illinois
9/19: No. 4 Florida
9/26: at No. 14 Georgia
10/3: Marshall
10/10: Kentucky
10/17: No. 7 Texas A&M (Homecoming)
10/24: at No. 21 Tennessee
10/31: at South Carolina
11/7: Vanderbilt
11/14: at Arkansas
11/28: Kansas

1993
9/11: Illinois
9/18: at No. 4 Texas A&M
9/25: No. 13 Georgia
10/2: SMU
10/9: at No. 9 Florida
10/16: South Carolina (Homecoming)
10/23: at Vanderbilt
10/30: No. 10 Tennessee
11/6: at Kentucky
11/13: Arkansas
11/27: at Kansas

Good luck, Bob Stull.

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yeah, not super stoked about the idea of 90's Mizzou football teams in the SEC

unless you wanna go ahead and snag us some fake 90’s recruits to go with our premature ejection into the SEC…

also, Man U is KILLING it.. this match turned into a shooting gallery

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by Logan Hill on Dec 10, 2011 10:38 AM CST reply actions  

if we were in the sec THIS year we would not be going to a bowl.

but our bball team would still be kicking ass and taking names. make that initials due to sec speed.

can't we just pave over kansas?

by mizzutgr on Dec 10, 2011 10:48 AM CST reply actions  

Disagree.

MU would actually have had a better record in the SEC East this year than in the B12. We were the clear third-place team in the division, and we would have had a fourth non-con game to schedule a patsy in. I suspect we would either have gone 9-3 or 8-4, with losses against S. Carolina, Georgia, Arizona St., and one of Bama, LSU, or Arky if we had been unfortunate enough to hit them in our rotation. We would have beaten either Auburn or the Mississippis.

by Tigermad on Dec 10, 2011 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

With new geographical alignment

I think you would move Bama and Auburn into the East, and have A/M, Hogs, Mizzou, LSU, Ole Miss, Miss St, and Vandy in the West. Or, keep Auburn or bama in the west, move Vandy to the East.
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Regardless, I think Mizzou would then to play Kentucky or a Tennessee school as their rival (if Vandy is in the west, then Knoxville; if Vandy in the East then themselves.

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by Ausgiano on Dec 10, 2011 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah...

…because playing Tennessee and Kentucky instead of Baylor and Kansas State would have put us in far worse shape. Yep.

by Bill C. on Dec 10, 2011 11:14 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Makes you wonder...

Payton and Cutler going up against Mizzou’s secondaries. Frightening….

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by Ausgiano on Dec 10, 2011 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Hard to say

Death is not an option, unless the option is used against you.

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by Ausgiano on Dec 10, 2011 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't know whether it's been commented on already,

but it is GOOD news that Tavon Bolden has a chance to rejoin the team. The only returning safety who has shown much this year is Walker.

by Tigermad on Dec 10, 2011 10:53 AM CST reply actions  

10 year old me is very very scared

Mizzou might not get beat they actually might have to stop a couple games to bring out the Madden ’94 ambulance onto the field

I'm tell ya like the bath tub told the toilet stool, " I get as much ass as you but I don't have to take all that shit!"
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by tiemmel on Dec 10, 2011 10:59 AM CST reply actions  

inevitable salt in ecokat's wound
@darrenrovell
darren rovell
Um, Hokie fans? RT @chengelis Virginia Tech has sold 9,200 of 17,500 Sugar Bowl tickets

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by Logan Hill on Dec 10, 2011 11:06 AM CST reply actions  

Such disrespect

For the #2 program in the country.

by MizKC on Dec 10, 2011 11:15 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

And I thought 90s Mizzou football could not get any worse

/takes some Pepto, grimly steels self for next three posts

by MU'97 on Dec 10, 2011 11:14 AM CST reply actions  

Really, though...

…playing these teams isn’t THAT much worse than playing early-’90s Colorado and Nebraska. Still, a rough, rough slate.

by Bill C. on Dec 10, 2011 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

90s nubbers, blech

my mother was borderline unbearable during that decade

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by Logan Hill on Dec 10, 2011 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Good point.

Those teams were full of angry, large men.

by MU'97 on Dec 10, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Also,

the real problem isn’t what’s on the opposing sidelines, but what’s on ours.

by MU'97 on Dec 10, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Or what wasn't.

"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan

Rocky Balboa once told me, "Nothing is real if you don't believe in who you are."

by Kpz1234 on Dec 10, 2011 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

My aunt still talks about the 70 something to nothing beat down A&M put on MU in the early 90's

So I’m guessing that if this happened, we’d have a few more of those to hide under the rug.

Also, if you guys watch the awesome Army-Navy game today, cheer for Navy Linebacker #51 Matt Warrick. He was a teammate in high school and I am proud to say that I tackled him….once.

by MizzouRugby on Dec 10, 2011 11:14 AM CST reply actions  

you tackled linebackers?

you were footballing wrong! ;-)

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by threadkiller on Dec 10, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Perhaps during a turnover

Mr. Literal Pants?

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by Ausgiano on Dec 10, 2011 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

He played running back and linebacker

I played safety (I have no clue why, I ended up as a DE). Coach used sophomore team as varsity’s practice squad. It was a bad idea.

by MizzouRugby on Dec 10, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Well excuse me Mr. Scratchy Socks

Did you get up on the wrong side of the briar bush this morning?

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by Ausgiano on Dec 10, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

yeah, i got up

and found doctor burr in his saddle cramping my lame comedy.

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by threadkiller on Dec 10, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

That's comedy Mr. Collar Too Starched?

I’d hate to see what your tragedy is like…

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by Ausgiano on Dec 10, 2011 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Anyone know how our ticket sales are stacking up?

And North Carolina’s for that matter?

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by Pie Beats Cake on Dec 10, 2011 11:19 AM CST reply actions  

Matter wrote yesterday

Mizzou has sold about a quarter of their allotment. The Mizzou Student Thing sold out, but the Alumni Assoc. isn’t getter a huge group together, but has some special offer (I think it’s $500ish for ticket, hotel and flight per person).

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by Ausgiano on Dec 10, 2011 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Ah..... Phil Johnson at QB

That picture was ’91, correct? I still go over to Donnelly and warm my hands & feet at half.

by tigerdog9396 on Dec 10, 2011 11:19 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Phil has a huge scar across his scalp.

I had history class with him, but I never asked about the scar.

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by Kpz1234 on Dec 10, 2011 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

No preexisting divisions would be different

It probably would shake out like this:

WEST: Arky, LSU, tsun, MSU, MU, aTm, Vandy
EAST: Bama, Auburn, UGA, UF, UK, USCar, UT

The only cross-division rivalry that matters there is Vandy/UT, maybe MSU/Bama (closest 2 geographically in the conference).

Gerry DiNardo is still at LSU then, so LSU/Bama isn’t what it is now. MSU/aTm is a biggie because Jackie Sherrill is at/en route to Starkpatch.

by tigerdog9396 on Dec 10, 2011 11:30 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

They were really concerned with balancing the divisions,

which is why Alabama & Auburn went into the West in the first place.

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by GwinnettGamecock on Dec 10, 2011 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey!

Maybe in alternative world, TVZ doesn’t blow out his knee?

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by Kpz1234 on Dec 10, 2011 11:42 AM CST reply actions  

5th down would be the reason we leave

Looking for better, more equitable officials in the SEC, and a place that might be OK with replay at a time it wasn’t around.

by tigerdog9396 on Dec 10, 2011 4:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Ya! Let's go with this!

My dad went to Central with him. Everyone who talks about how he played before he got hurt damn new get’s misty eyed

by MizzouRugby on Dec 10, 2011 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Still giggling

Over the Charlie Weis hire..

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by blackfin on Dec 10, 2011 11:55 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

How's this for Division and Cross-Division Rivals

Move Alabama to the East, then you have:
Alabama (East) vs. Auburn (West)
South Ca. (East) vs. Arkansas (West)
Tennessee (East) vs. Miss. St. (West)
Vanderbilt (East) vs. Ole Miss (West)
Georgia (East) vs. Texas A&M (West)
Florida (East) vs. LSU (West)
Kentucky (East) vs. Missouri (West)

I’m from SEC Country and you can’t get rid of Tennessee vs. Vandy, Tennessee vs. Alabama, Alabama vs. Auburn, Georgia vs. Florida, Florida vs. LSU, LSU vs. Arkansas, and Ole Miss vs. Mississippi State. Those are the most prevalent rivalries. This way Texas A&M and Missouri play each other each year. They both play Arkansas each year, and Missouri gets to play the most geographically sensible team from the East. The only match up the SEC loses in this set up is LSU vs. Alabama every year, which wasn’t really that big of a rivalry until they both became dominant at the same time and Nick Saban went to Alabama. Alabama isn’t as geographically ridiculous in the East as Missouri, and you only lose one good match up, which isn’t really a rivalry. I think that’s what they should do IMO.

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by Maze11 on Dec 10, 2011 12:12 PM CST reply actions  

Despite what our school says

(and I understand “recruiting purposes” to which I say resume scheduling SMU, Rice, or North Texas), most of us would rather have Arkansas as our rivalry. We want to lord our possession of running water and electricity over them.

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by Kpz1234 on Dec 10, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah I'd like that under the current system.

But why not have both? If we all played in the same division, we could all play each other every year. The SEC is gonna lose at least one or more rivalries anyway you spin it. I just figure this way LSU and Alabama each get to keep two rivals and the new teams get a good set up.

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by Maze11 on Dec 10, 2011 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Meh.

I prefer the east.

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by Kpz1234 on Dec 10, 2011 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

you are forgetting a big one

Auburn-Georgia. Deep south’s oldest rivalry. 115 games, Auburn up 54-53-8. That’s not going away. You’d have to move Auburn to the east, not Bama. Auburn’s a bit closer to the east too, not that it matters much though.

by parliamentlite on Dec 10, 2011 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

But then you'd lose Tennesse vs. Alabama

I’ll admit, I’ve probably only met about 100 Auburn fans because I live on the border between Alabama and Tennessee, but I never hear them talk about the game against Georgia. They’ve been playing forever, but I think that’s a more expendable rivalry than Tennessee/Alabama.

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by Maze11 on Dec 10, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Auburn heading to the East would destroy two rivalries

Tennessee vs. Alabama
Florida vs. LSU

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by Maze11 on Dec 10, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Wait scratch that last part, Florida vs. LSU could still go on

My bad

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by Maze11 on Dec 10, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Go straight to a 9 game conference schedule, too?

At the time, the SEC had 2 cross-divisionals; not one. With a 9 game schedule starting in ‘92, it’d be a 6-2-1 breakdown and protects Bama/Auburn & UT, Auburn/Bama & UGA, and UT/Bama & Vandy however the divisions are/were arranged.

There were a couple of thoughts posted by peeps on Team Speed Kills a while back re: scheduling with 14 teams when the negotiations were ongoing.

by tigerdog9396 on Dec 10, 2011 3:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Florida and LSU don't belong on that list, and Vandy-UT is only one way

though they seem to be in the same weight class these days. (giggles)

LSU and Florida have each tried to maneuver to get rid of each other in the new schedules, and most South Carolina fans remain entirely unenthused about playing Arkansas even after 20 years. We’d just as soon replace them with A&M. At least there’re things to do in Houston.

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by GwinnettGamecock on Dec 10, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

That's awesome.

I think we'll reconcile it by winning!
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by Jack618 on Dec 10, 2011 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Does anyone know what recruits are on campus today?

I saw Matter or Gabe or someone tweet that Boehm was there wearing a Mizzou T-Shirt.

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by Jack618 on Dec 10, 2011 12:50 PM CST reply actions  

L_Lambert33 Luke Lambert
Excited for dual athlete Andrew Jones. Making his debut today in Mizzou Arena #Mizzou

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by Logan Hill on Dec 10, 2011 1:09 PM CST reply actions  

This Army Navy game

Is everything that is right with America.

by MizzouRugby on Dec 10, 2011 1:34 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions  

kansas ruins everything that is good in the world, ever.

Never Forget Wolf Island, or pie. #AHAMF, it's vaguely sordid.

by Spider_Monkey on Dec 10, 2011 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Watching the Arkansas vs Oklahoma game

Arkansas jacks up a whole lot of 3’s and fouls a ton…

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by Pie Beats Cake on Dec 10, 2011 2:18 PM CST reply actions  

Sounds familiar somehow

by kctiger80 on Dec 10, 2011 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

And the Hogs are getting whooped right now...

All of their points are off of free throws.

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by Pie Beats Cake on Dec 10, 2011 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

That is the truth.

I hope that at some point in my lifetime, I get to see Mizzou run it. Just once.

by MizzouRugby on Dec 10, 2011 2:26 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I want a live thread.

Also…

Go Navy! Beat Army!

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by sirensofsilence on Dec 10, 2011 2:23 PM CST reply actions  

Well

Someone can start a fan post, or we can threadjack this thread. I vote for the latter.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Dec 10, 2011 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

threadjack?

do we do that here?

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by Ausgiano on Dec 10, 2011 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

How did this thread end up full of swabbie sympathizers?

GO ARMY!!!!

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by Kpz1234 on Dec 10, 2011 2:26 PM CST reply actions  

landlubber

In love with the new Gaknar avatar.

by threadkiller on Dec 10, 2011 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

My Dad

spent almost 30 years in the US Navy…so, it’s bred into me. I’d give just about anything to have him here today badmouthing Army.

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by sirensofsilence on Dec 10, 2011 2:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Mine joined at 17

as an enlisted. Retired at LCDR.

Beat Army!

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by sirensofsilence on Dec 10, 2011 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think I'm allowed to have a preference

I had one grandpa in the Navy and one in the Army. I’m just here to watch all option, all the time.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Dec 10, 2011 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Vets are split in my family too

But my love of the wishbone is unwavering

by MizzouRugby on Dec 10, 2011 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Technically my grandpa was in the Army

But he wasn’t career military like my dad.

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by sirensofsilence on Dec 10, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

having a parent in the military is a little different. The split in my family is pretty even in terms of service and generations removed from myself.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Dec 10, 2011 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Is Oklahoma really this good?

Or is Arkansas really this bad?

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by Pie Beats Cake on Dec 10, 2011 2:33 PM CST reply actions  

What's funny is that I'll be rooting against Navy hoops later today

The only time I ever root against a Navy team is when they play Mizzou. My two favorite teams.

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by sirensofsilence on Dec 10, 2011 2:40 PM CST reply actions  

It's hard to root against the service academies

Anyone that would take a bullet for any one of us has my full support.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Dec 10, 2011 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Absolutely

I’m still rooting for Mizzou basketball today though. :)

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by sirensofsilence on Dec 10, 2011 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, of course

We’re in the SEC now, which means we have to be more loyal to our state than our country.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Dec 10, 2011 2:44 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Rooting chain

Kansas < pond scum < other football teams < Navy < Mizzou < Seal Team Six

by MU'97 on Dec 10, 2011 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Make it 10

Ugh, I’m no tOSU fan, but…COME ON, OHIO STATE!

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by sirensofsilence on Dec 10, 2011 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

C'mon NAVY! BEAT ARMY!

There is a God and I'm not it, after that EVERYTHING is subjective. Be careful for what you wish for, you just might GET IT!

by mizzoufan1 on Dec 10, 2011 2:57 PM CST reply actions  

I own both

and both are awesome (BoB easily my favorite though)

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by Logan Hill on Dec 10, 2011 3:00 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I haven't got to watch The Pacific yet

But I don’t think anything can come close to Band of Brothers.

by MizzouRugby on Dec 10, 2011 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

honestly, the only thing that puts BoB over the top for me is the focus on one company.. Pacific focuses on several different characters in different units. As such, you don’t quite the emphasis on the relationships within the unit

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by Logan Hill on Dec 10, 2011 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Hm, ok

I’m sure I will like it regardless

by MizzouRugby on Dec 10, 2011 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I liked Pacific a bit better in the end

It’s darker. And if it doesn’t have the one-company unified narrative of BoB, it gains quite a bit in the ways that the different narratives implicitly contrast to and comment upon one another. Both are great, though, and I suspect my Pacific preference is a minority opinion.

by Professor Chaos on Dec 10, 2011 11:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm just perennially dissapointed

That the USCG and Merchant Marine acadmies don’t join in the football fun.

by MizKC on Dec 10, 2011 3:00 PM CST reply actions  

Damnit

It is impossible to watch this game without a box of Kleenex handy.

But still….Beat Army!

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by sirensofsilence on Dec 10, 2011 3:00 PM CST reply actions  

I can't stand to watch games at allen fieldhouse

It’s just so gross.

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by sirensofsilence on Dec 10, 2011 3:08 PM CST reply actions  

My husband keeps wanting to switch over during Army-Navy commercials

and seeing that big, ugly jayhawk on the court and all the obnoxious fans makes me instantly irritated and irrationally angry.

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by sirensofsilence on Dec 10, 2011 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Please

That anger is completely rational. It would be irrational to not feel angry.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Dec 10, 2011 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Damn there was a pass

I was hoping there wouldn’t be one

by MizzouRugby on Dec 10, 2011 3:09 PM CST reply actions  

wow...this Army/Navy game is close

how often does that happen?

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by Ausgiano on Dec 10, 2011 3:14 PM CST reply actions  

They're pretty evenly matched this year

But Navy is going for their 10th straight win. Which they will hopefully get today.

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by sirensofsilence on Dec 10, 2011 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Navy's Helmet stickers are really cool

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by Ausgiano on Dec 10, 2011 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I love their new unis.

They’re looking sharp…thanks, Nike!

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by sirensofsilence on Dec 10, 2011 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

I like what the Army Coach said. It really is just a game.

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by Ausgiano on Dec 10, 2011 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

It may just be a game

but my Dad sure took the rivalry pretty seriously, haha.

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by sirensofsilence on Dec 10, 2011 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

It's one thing to watch a game

It’s another live in the rivalry for so long. It’s way so many of us here can’t stand kU.

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by Ausgiano on Dec 10, 2011 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Before Paul Johnson took over Navy

(I’m sure most of you saw the stats)

Point Differential before PJ: 0.9
Point Differential after PJ: 23.9 or something ridiculous

Glad to see that Army-Navy is back to a close game. Disappointed at the loss.

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by Kpz1234 on Dec 11, 2011 12:52 AM CST up reply actions  

McNally's.

be there.

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by Ausgiano on Dec 10, 2011 3:32 PM CST reply actions  

I wish!

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by sirensofsilence on Dec 10, 2011 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Charlie Weis sighting

credit goes to wife.

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by Mac6uffin on Dec 10, 2011 3:44 PM CST reply actions  

If Missouri left the Big 8 and A&M got to leave the SWC, I think there would have been an even stronger attempt by Colorado and Texas to get into the Pac 12. Both schools were trying to get in around that time, with most stories saying Colorado got an invite after it had already committed to the new Big 12 and some sources disagreeing whether Texas was accepted or rejected. Would the old Pac 10 have gotten some urgency?

It would be interesting to see the whole SEC projected through the years. Notice that changing the cross-divisional games this year could have given South Carolina the East division title and made Tennessee bowl-eligible. Of course, that would require you to flip half the permanent cross-divisional rivalries home/away so every team can rotate onto every other teams’ schedule.

by m(Ag) on Dec 10, 2011 5:18 PM CST reply actions  

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