2012 Missouri Football Recruiting: Sealing The Borders (Part One)
It's been told to every Mizzou coach since Don Faurot: seal the Missouri borders, win games. Missouri is the only major program in a state with two metropolitan areas, and if they were to grab all of the recruits from across the state, they would be fantastic. Tom Osborne famously called Mizzou "a sleeping giant" because of the talent within its own borders.
As Mizzou continues to fight away at two major in-state recruiting battles -- four-star Lee's Summit lineman Evan Boehm and, of course, Springfield's Dorial Green-Beckham, the No. 1 recruit in the country -- now is a good time to take a look at both how Missouri is faring in-state ... and how much it actually matters.
Today, we're going to walk through history; tomorrow, we'll look at trends and the 2012 class.
Using the Rivals.com database, let's first take a look at which Missourians Mizzou has offered in Gary Pinkel's tenure, and how many they've landed. This, of course, comes with an obvious disclaimer: Rivals is wonderful, but it probably isn't 100% accurate in terms of who has or hasn't been offered. Still, it will give us a pretty good glimpse of the situation at hand. (Key recruits in bold.)
2002
Landed
RB Mario Whitney (****, Jackson)
RB Corey Taylor (***, University City)
TE Zach Zwilling (****, Ft. Zumwalt South)
OL Joel Clinger (***, Warrenton)
LB Dedrick Harrington (****, Mexico)
LB Emmett Morris (***, Parkway South)
Missed
QB Joe Ferguson (***, Pembroke Hill, Northwestern)
RB David Richard (****, Hazelwood East, Michigan State)
WR Desmond Sims (***, New Madrid Central, Arkansas)
DB Darnell Ray (***, Hazelwood East, Illinois)
Offered: 10
Landed: 6 (60.0%)
In Gary Pinkel's first full year of Mizzou recruiting, he landed three of four four-star prospects; the fourth (David Richard) ended up transferring to Mizzou as well. New coaches tend to see a bit of a recruiting grace period, and this was Pinkel's. Of the prospects Mizzou missed, none made much of an impact. Of course, neither did most of the players Mizzou landed; Joel Clinger was a starter on the line, Dedrick Harrington was a solid linebacker, Taylor and Zwilling never made it to campus, and Mario Whitney was a quick bust.
2003
Landed
TE Martin Rucker (***, St. Joe Benton)
OL Tyler Luellen (****, South Harrison)
OL Adam Spieker (***, Webb City)
OL Marty Raab (***, Eureka)
OL M.J. Norman (***, Eureka)
DT Phinney Troy (**, SLUH)
DB Darnell Terrell (****, Eureka)
DB Lareno Seymour (**, Hazelwood East)
Missed
RB Laurence Maroney (****, Normandy, Minnesota)
RB Anton Campbelll (***, Ft. Zumwalt West, Michigan)
TE Will Paul (****, Parkway West, Michigan)
DE Aaron Whittington (***, Hazelwood East, UCLA)
DE Jamal Cooper (***, Hazelwood East, Wisconsin)
LB Shaun Richardson (***, Cleveland NJROTC, Purdue)
Offered: 14
Landed: 8 (57.1%)
This class had fewer four-star recruits and more difference-makers. It was a big deal that Mizzou pulled Martin Rucker away from his brother's alma mater, Nebraska, and Mizzou landed two future line stalwarts in Luellen and Spieker. Meanwhile, Laurence Maroney named Mizzou his leader well into January, but was strangely scared away after his official visit to Missouri. (The long-standing rumor was that Damien Nash told him Mizzou was his team, and Maroney would need to go elsewhere to see any carries.) He ended up with Glen Mason at Minnesota.
So Mizzou's overall success rate went down, but they landed three of four true difference-makers in the class.
2004
Landed
QB Chase Patton (****, Rock Bridge)
QB Darrell Jackson (***, Webster Groves)
RB Tony Temple (****, Rockhurst)
RB Jimmy Jackson (**, Caruthersville)
WR Jerrill Humphrey (****, Highland)
WR Will Franklin (***, Vashon)
TE Brian Barmann (**, West Platte)
OL Kyle Riggs (****, Festus)
OL Ryan Madison (**, South Harrison)
LB Van Alexander (****, Rock Bridge)
LB Arthur Miller (***, Kirkwood)
LB Aaron O'Neal (**, Parkway North)
DB William Moore (***, Hayti)
DB Steve Redmond (**, Rockhurst)
Missed
OL Brett Gallimore (****, Park Hill South, Michigan)
ATH Nick Patterson (***, Hazelwood Central, Ohio State)
Offered: 16
Landed: 14 (87.5%)
Following their first bowl bid under Pinkel, Mizzou cleaned up in state. The 2004 class was by far their most successful in terms of sealing the borders; only two players got away, and if I remember correctly, Gallimore had Michigan ties before moving to Missouri. Regardless, there were three true difference-makers in this class (only one of which was a four-star signee), and they all ended up in black and gold.
2005
Landed
TE Chase Coffman (***, Raymore-Peculiar)
OL James Stigall (***, Blue Springs)
OL Kurtis Gregory (***, Santa Fe)
DE Tarell Corby (***, N. Kansas City)
DT Jaron Baston (***, Blue Springs)
DT Jason Townson (**, Hazelwood East)
LB Brock Christopher (***, Kearney)
DB Hardy Ricks (***, Brentwood)
Missed
RB A.J. Jimmerson (***, Hazelwood Central, Michigan State)
WR D.J. Hord (****, Rockhurst, Notre Dame)
WR Chris Brooks (****, Hazelwood East, Nebraska)
DE Allan Smith (***, Rockhurst, Boston College)
LB Steve Davis (***, Mccluer North, Minnesota)
DB Justin Thornton (***, St. Joe Central, Kansas)
Offered: 14
Landed: 8 (57.1%)
This class was seen as a failure as a whole because both four-star recruits (D.J. Hord and Chris Brooks) went elsewhere. But Hord's career was destroyed by injuries, and Brooks never did much in Lincoln. (Plus, it's quite conceivable that if Brooks landed at Mizzou, they wouldn't have pursued Danario Alexander the next year.) As a whole, Mizzou missed out on six players, but only Steve Davis and Justin Thornton ended up becoming interesting players (and neither were just amazing). And Mizzou scored four multi-year starters in Coffman, Gregory, Baston and Christopher.
2006
Landed
WR Jeremy Maclin (****, Kirkwood)
OL Tim Barnes (***, Pettis County Northwest)
DE John Stull (***, Rock Bridge)
DT Bart Coslet (***, Francis Howell Central)
DB Aaron Cawlfield (***, Hickman)
Missed
QB Josh Freeman (****, Grandview, Kansas State)
RB Munir Prince (***, DeSmet, Notre Dame)
TE Paddy Mullen (***, DeSmet, Notre Dame)
TE Mike McNeill (***, Kirkwood, Nebraska)
OL Zach Kendall (***, Harrisonville, Kansas State)
OL Keith Williams (***, Mccluer North, Nebraska)
DE Adrian Clayborn (****, Webster Groves, Iowa)
DE Robert McField (***, Normandy, Minnesota)
DE Jerry Brown (***, Vashon, Illinois)
LB Quentin Davie (***, Cardinal Ritter, Northwestern)
DB Phil Strozier (***, Rockhurst, Kansas)
DB Antonio Gully (**, Cardinal Ritter, Illinois)
Offered: 17
Landed: 5 (29.4%)
The impact of the disappointing 2004 season and Aaron O'Neal's death (which negatively impacted Mizzou's standing in St. Louis, no matter how unfair that may have been) were not completely felt until the 2006 class. Mizzou experienced their single least successful recruiting year here, though as is usually the case, the losses were marginalized by the fact that most of the recruits they lost didn't make much noise.
Mizzou's struggles in St. Louis were most exemplified by the recruitment of Adrian Clayborn. Clayborn made repeated unofficial visits to Missouri throughout 2004 and into the spring of 2005, always wearing Mizzou gear in the process. But as his recruitment wore on, he supposedly acknowledged that he was feeling pressure from folks in the St. Louis area to look beyond Mizzou. (I read this many times in the fall of 2005 but haven't been able to dig up any articles that confirm this, so it could always have just been a case of Internet rumors.) Mizzou expected a commitment from him that never came, and he ended up spending a wonderfully productive college career in Iowa City. Along with Maroney, it was probably the single biggest miss of the Pinkel era.
Still ... missing on most in-state targets did absolutely nothing to hurt the progress of the Missouri program overall. Riding a higher and higher percentage of Texas athletes, Mizzou experienced nearly unprecedented success from 2007 to 2010, the years in which this class was eligible to make the largest impact. Maclin and Barnes certainly played key roles, but the in-state depth they missed in this class was happily supplemented elsewhere.
2007
Landed
RB Derrick Washington (****, Raymore-Peculiar)
RB De'Vion Moore (***, Hazelwood Central)
WR Rolandis Woodland (***, Rockwood Summit)
OL Jayson Palmgren (***, N. Kansas City)
DE Michael Keck (****, Harrisonville)
DE Chris Earnhardt (***, Springfield Hillcrest)
DT Terrell Resonno (***, Jefferson City)
LB Luke Lambert (***, Brookfield)
DB Carl Gettis (***, Ft. Zumwalt West)
Missed
QB Logan Gray (****, Rock Bridge, Georgia)
WR Marvin McNutt (***, Hazelwood Central, Iowa)
TE Aron White (****, Rock Bridge, Georgia)
OL Donald Stephenson (***, Blue Springs, Oklahoma)
OL Niko Mafuli (***, SLUH, Northwestern)
DT Demetrious Davis (***, St. Joe Benton, Nebraska)
ATH Lamark Brown (****, Hazelwood West, Kansas State)
Offered: 16
Landed: 9 (56.3%)
Mizzou whiffed on three of five four-star recruits in this class, but ... once again, they did not suffer much for it. Logan Gray became a marginal receiver at both Georgia and Colorado, Aron White made a very sporadic impact at Georgia, and Lamark Brown did next to nothing in Manhattan. The major miss in this class -- McNutt -- was actually a quarterback prospect. Upon the emergence of Ricky Stanzi at Iowa, McNutt moved to receiver and became the best receiver in Iowa history. Obviously MIzzou could have used him over the last couple of seasons.
2008
Landed
QB Blaine Gabbert (*****, Parkway West)
RB Drew Temple (***, Rockhurst)
WR Wes Kemp (***, DeSmet)
TE Andrew Jones (****, Smithville)
OL Travis Ruth (***, Jefferson City)
DE Aldon Smith (***, Raytown)
DE Brad Madison (***, South Harrison)
WR Robert Steeples (***, DeSmet)
Missed
TE Spencer Ladner (****, Pembroke Hill, California)
LB Will Compton (****, North County, Nebraska)
DB DeMarco Paine (***, Hazelwood East, Iowa)
Offered: 11
Landed: 8 (72.7%)
Will Compton is finally beginning to make an impact at Nebraska, but once again Missouri's misses were marginalized by solid Texas recruiting. Overall, Mizzou landed a strong majority of the players they offered in this class, which is what one would have expected following the strong 2007 season. This may not have come about, however, if not for Nebraska's downfall. Gabbert was originally a Nebraska commit, and once he flipped to Missouri, he brought one-time Wisconsin commit Wes Kemp over with him. Mizzou would have landed Aldon Smith and Brad Madison no matter what, but they needed extenuating circumstances to pull in Gabbert and Kemp.
2009
Landed
QB Blaine Dalton (***, Blue Springs South)
WR T.J. Moe (***, Ft. Zumwalt West)
WR Kerwin Stricker (***, Washington)
TE Alex Sanders (***, Springfield Glendale)
OL Jack Meiners (***, Chaminade)
OL Justin Britt (***, Lebanon)
OL Mark Hill (***, Branson)
DT Sheldon Richardson (*****, Gateway High)
LB Andrew Wilson (***, Raymore-Peculiar)
LB Adam Burton (***, Lee's Summit West)
Missed
QB Nathan Scheelhaase (****, Rockhurst, Illinois)
RB Ronnie Wingo, Jr. (****, SLUH, Arkansas)
RB Montee Ball (****, Timberland, Wisconsin)
OL Tyler Evans (***, Strafford)
ATH Bryant Allen (***, Maplewood, Minnesota)
Offered: 15
Landed: 10 (66.7%)
Recruiting is funny. Mizzou fans were angry about losing Ronnie Wingo, Jr., to Arkansas, but in losing Montee Ball to Wisconsin, most Mizzou fans' reactions were the same: "Eh, that makes sense." Wingo would not have received a monstrous amount of carries at Mizzou (he would have certainly been bypassed by Henry Josey in 2011, at least, and he really hasn't shown that he would have out-produced Kendial Lawrence, Josey and De'Vion Moore in 2010); meanwhile, Ball was a 2011 Heisman finalist at Wisconsin. You cannot blame the power runner for choosing a power-running offense, I guess.
2010
Landed
QB Tyler Gabbert (****, Parkway West)
WR Marcus Lucas (****, Liberty)
OL Nick Demien (****, Timberland)
OL Anthony Gatti (***, Parkway North)
DE Kony Ealy (****, New Madrid Central)
DB E.J. Gaines (***, Ft. Osage)
Missed
RB Brandon Bourbon (****, Potosi, Kansas)
FB Trey Millard (****, Rock Bridge, Oklahoma)
DT Chase Rome (****, Rock Bridge, Nebraska)
DB Keeston Terry (****, Blue Springs, Kansas)
DB Dexter McDonald (***, Rockhurst, Kansas)
ATH Marquise Hill (***, Trinity Catholic, Minnesota)
Offered: 12
Landed: 6 (50.0%)
As Mizzou took a step backwards on the field in 2009, they did in recruiting, too. After landing 18 of 26 in-state kids in 2008-09 (69%), they fell back to half-and-half in 2010. They did reel in four of seven four-star kids, though two (Tyler Gabbert and Nick Demien) have not made an impact, and a third (Kony Ealy) is only beginning to. Chase Rome has shown some potential at Nebraska, but the only high-impact miss was another "Eh, can't blame him" situation -- Trey Millard is thriving as a fullback at Oklahoma, in a position Mizzou doesn't actually utilize.
2011
Landed
QB Corbin Berkstresser (***, Lee's Summit)
WR Brandon Hannah (***, Chaminade)
WR Wesley Leftwich (***, Hickman)
Missed
RB Kody Walker (***, Jefferson City, Arkansas)
TE Dan Tapko (***, Rockhurst, Oklahoma)
Offered: 5
Landed: 3 (60.0%)
The 2011 recruiting season was an interesting one. Mizzou had very few scholarships to offer in this class; meanwhile, the state of Missouri produced fewer interesting prospects than at any point in the last decade. Not a single Missouri kid received even a four-star Rivals rating, and as a result, Mizzou only offered a meager five players. They landed three. None have made any sort of impact just yet, though Mizzou has high hopes for both Berkstresser and Leftwich. (Hannah didn't qualify, and Tapko quickly quit football.)
We'll get more into this tomorrow with some graphs (of course), but you don't need graphs to quickly begin to notice that most of the players Mizzou has lost haven't hurt them much. In fact, a high in-state success rate has had almost no overall impact on wins and losses. (That's not to say Mizzou fans shouldn't care if Evan Boehm or Dorial Green-Beckham go elsewhere, of course.) Anyway, more tomorrow.
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Mizzou is in a position rare in the SEC
Only Missouri and Louisiana are the sole major schools in their state and therefore capable of “locking it down”. Granted, I hesitate to say Vandy really competes with TN for recruits, but there’s some struggle there, I’m sure. Fortunately for Mizzou, very few SEC coaches have much of a relationship with anyone in state, with the exception of Petrino at Arky, solely due to geography.
However, I don’t know if Mizzou will be as successfull in “sealing the borders” against Alabama, LSU, Florida, Georgia, and Auburn as they were against Nebraska, Texas, Oklahoma, etc.
by SEC Supremacist on Dec 13, 2011 11:26 AM CST reply actions
arkansas?
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by threadkiller on Dec 13, 2011 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
Arkansas doesn't have a great "in" to Missouri. They just have the best of any other SEC school.
I’ve seen a lot of arky fans in SWMO due to geography. The argument I can see Petrino making would be “Yeah, but we play LSU/Bama/etc every year. Your family will be able to travel to those games easier, and home games are the same distance as Mizzou”.
by SEC Supremacist on Dec 13, 2011 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
no, i meant arkansas doesn't have any in state competition for recruits.
granted, there are no major metropolitan ares, but still.
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by threadkiller on Dec 13, 2011 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
technically, Missouri is the only one
Louisiana has La Tech and Arkansas has Arkansas State both as FBS schools (though obviously on different levels).
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technically, latech and ark st aren't aq schools. guess it depends on your definition of "major".
though i admit freely i didn’t even know ark st was fbs level.
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by threadkiller on Dec 13, 2011 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
TK- Sorry, misunderstood your point. I conceed
Beef- I think NWMST in Maryville has a better shot at getting recruits than La Tech or Arky state. They win championships in their division. I don’t consider those major schools, and I don’t think recruits do either. Just my take on it though.
by SEC Supremacist on Dec 13, 2011 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
ASU ... Sunbelt Champs, baby!!!!
All kidding aside … I grew up a fan of UA and went to ASU for two years before moving here. There is no competing for in-state talent. Every once in a while ASU will rise up with some diamond in the rough types, but they definitely belong on SEC Supremist’s list of SEC schools who can “lock down” the borders.
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It will be interesting
People have been banging on about “culture” with the SEC move on both sides.
Will a kid from Kansas City or St Louis, neither of which you call “southern” want to move down to the deep south? I don’t know. Maybe Mr Boehm will give us an indication.
Who knows, but I don’t see why fighting off SEC teams will be any harder than Nebraska, Oklahoma etc.
To an extent.
I think there are just a lot more REALLY good schools in the SEC. You’re competing with more than the 3 historically elite programs of Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraksa.
by SEC Supremacist on Dec 13, 2011 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
i feel like this aspect is a bit overblown.
there will only be 3-4 games per year in the “deep south”. i don’t know that that will be much of a factor.
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by threadkiller on Dec 13, 2011 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
sorry, misinterpretation on my part.
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by threadkiller on Dec 13, 2011 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
I personally don't expect the dynamic to change too much.
We’ll have the usual effects of the B10 influence in St. Louis, and we’ll see if the SEC’s influence (and TV contract) have any sway over that situation.
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This, of course, comes with an obvious disclaimer: Rivals is wonderful, but it probably isn’t 100% accurate in terms of who has or hasn’t been offered. Still, it will give us a pretty good glimpse of the situation at hand.
What about kids from Missouri that Mizzou didn’t offer, went to play elsewhere and found success? Not sure if those exist (chances are, if a kid is rated four or five stars and is in Missouri, the Tigers will offer a scholarship), and I don’t have anyone in mind. It’s more of a talent-identifying question than a winning-over-a-recruit question, but I figure that’s another part of locking down the borders.
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Jairus Byrd was great at Oregon after not getting a Mizzou offer.
Really, that’s about the only one I can think of at the major conference level, though there are plenty of players who went to MAC-level schools and proved they could have possibly done well in the Big 12.
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Hey, I think he could actually be pretty damn good...
…though I guess he missed this list since he ended up at East StL…
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wasn't he going to be a cornerback for us?
I think he’s going to be a player as well. He did have 64 of this teams 137 yards against us.
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I think that was the story, yeah.
And then a) he decided he may want to be a running back (which is fine—Pinkel has always said players will play the position they want, albeit while receiving suggestions in that regard) and b) he went to East St. Louis, and the EStL coach despises us. That led to him looking elsewhere.
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yeah I remember hearing that the ESL guy hated Mizzou for some reason
Didn’t he commit, the de-commit, then it looked like he was going to kU, then he sort of backed out of kU but neither Arky or Mizzou pursued him so he ended up at kU?
I remember that story, but I don’t remember if that was him or Keaston Terry.
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Yeah, I think that was Pierson.
Terry visited Mizzou late in the process but never got an offer.
(Allegedly. All of this is hearsay, obviously.)
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Er, I should say...
…he was told Mizzou was full at his position, or something to that effect. He had an offer initially, then didn’t anymore.
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gotcha
yeah, I mean this is SOURCES to the ultimate level. It seems fairly common that if a guy goes the other way somebody will start talking about how the team the recruit rejected “didn’t really want him anyway.”
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that's 3 times in a row that you've agreed with what I've said
I may retire.
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bill's probably doing some soul searching right now.
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by threadkiller on Dec 13, 2011 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
enjoy your Christmas present.
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by Spider_Monkey on Dec 13, 2011 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
too bad 'thunder' isn't here
to tell you that pinkel counts estl & kck as part of mo… hehe
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by Wooderson on Dec 13, 2011 9:19 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
why do we offer players like millard?
surely we know they’re not coming, and even if they did, they’d be fish out of water (fullback???). is it just expected of us to offer such kids?
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He could have been a great LB
and that’s what Mizzou recruited him as. He wanted to play fullback, so he went to OK
ah, didn't know that. thanks.
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by threadkiller on Dec 13, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
I was suprised to see only 5 stars next to Sheldon Richardson's name.
Must have been a typo.
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by DnrW on Dec 13, 2011 12:53 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
we whited out a couple of the stars because we didn't want him to end up at aTm.
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by Spider_Monkey on Dec 13, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions 10 recs
Is the moral of the story here
that Pinkel is better at player development than other coaches? I didn’t go through and count, but it looks like MO recruits succeed at a higher rate at Mizzou than they do elsewhere. Unless you want to argue that the MO three-star who commits to Mizzou is intrinsically better than the MO three-star who doesn’t, I think that’s the conclusion you have to draw.
I'd agree with that
Also, the recruit he wants fit into the system, have the talents to excel within the offense or defense, and that helps. But you are correct that he is a great player developer, there is no other way to explain it.
I dunno, though.
Once a MO recruit reaches a certain level, I think Pinkel will recruit the kid, whether he looks like a good fit for the system or not. Montee Ball would be an example of this. The “system kid” explanation has some appeal to it, but I don’t think that’s the main factor at work here.
Like Bill said, you want 4-5 star athletes on your team no matter what
And you can work them into the system somehow. Pinkel would never not recruit a 4 or 5 star athlete in MO, but what if that 5 star athlete is a Trent Richardson kind of back? Sure he is a great athlete, but philosophically, Pinkel would rather have a back like Josey or, for this purpose, LaMichael James. That’s just what the spread philosophy prefers. Now would Pinkel still take him? Bet your ass would, he would find a way to use him effectively. But the 5 star recruit also knows this. You mentioned Montee Ball. He was so successful because Wisconsin’s front line out-weighs some pro teams, and they are committed to running the ball. Pinkel can’t say the same thing. Because of that, the other team looks more promising to the recruit, because Ball couldn’t have known and Pinkel couldn’t have predicted that we were going to run the ball 50 times a game this year. Ball saw the offense run through Daniel and Gabbert, not through the RB. It’s just the way it is. Now on defense, we recruit the hell out of any and every great athlete. But the system Pinkel runs makes certain positions demand better recruits than others, and he has to spend his time getting those recruits, sometimes at the expense of trying to court 5 star recruits that may or may not work in the system.
by MizzouRugby on Dec 13, 2011 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
That's certainly part of it.
They fill in the recruiting gaps with both talent identification (finding players others have overlooked) and development. You still want as many big-time recruits as possible, but it does appear that this staff knows how to milk out every ounce of talent that a guy has, which is nice.
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lots of other variables in play as well
for example, what about distance from home? if you took two identical 3-star players and placed them in two identical environments (same system, same amount of playing time, same amount of practice reps, same coaches, etc.) EXCEPT that one played close to home, and the other played out-of-state, I wonder if the kid playing closer to home would perform better by being more comfortable.
Obviously, this is all but impossible to test, and I’m not attempting to cast doubt on Pinkel and his staff’s ability to develop the players they get…merely trying to pass the time on a slow Tuesday afternoon.
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bill probably has a mathematic formula
that can calculate the comfort factor.
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by threadkiller on Dec 13, 2011 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks Bill C
Looking forward to the next one.
I’ve always kind of wished Rock Bridge wasn’t in Columbia. They produce a good amount of high caliber athletes, but I can’t ever blame a kid for wanting to get out of his hometown to go to college. I would be nice if they stayed, but I can understand if their reasoning is to get away from home for college.
It does feel like we lock down Jeff City better, as close as that is to Columbia.
And I would argue Georgia is right on Arky’s tail for next SEC team in line doing damage in Missouri. What started that connection?
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by Spider_Monkey on Dec 13, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
Hard to say that, really.
They landed two in the same year but haven’t really come close to anybody else. Basically, they had a connection to Logan Gray (either he had a family connection or used to live there) and sucked Aron White into coming along.
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Losing those two didn't hurt one bit.
I’d take our QB’s and TE’s during the time span of their playing career over those 2 any day.
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Do you have an opinions on the Head Coaches at the local (Hickman, Rock Bridge) schools? Do they steer good kids here or are they neutral?
I think Coach Ofodile is interested in his guys having the best chance to succeed, wherever it may be
I got a pretty strong sense he told Chase Patton he would be a better fit at a school that ran a pro-style offense rather than a spread, and I think experience proved him right.
by Damnatio Memoriae on Dec 13, 2011 6:04 PM CST up reply actions
Patton was a hell of a team player.
I’d forgotten he was 4 stars. Here’s hoping he doesn’t regret having given up his chance, in order to make the team better.
Arkansas won't be stealing too many recruits.
Mizzou won’t have any problems keeping Arkansas at bay. Why would a Missouri recruit go to Arkansas, an SEC team in the West that will almost never play Mizzou, when he could stay in-state and still play SEC football? Now, LSU might show some more interest in the state and they could pull a few recruits, just cause they’re LSU. Bama too.

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