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Study Hall: Missouri 94, William & Mary 56

Your Trifecta: Dixon-English-MPressey. Your winner: nobody. The guys have certainly taken some departures from the "Denmon-Ratliffe-?" Trifecta habit they were developing.

Missouri began the season projected in Ken Pomeroy's Top 15, but I'm not sure many Mizzou fans actually believed that to be likely, not with an injured Laurence Bowers, a new coach, and a distinct lack of size. Instead, it turns out that over the first month of the season, Top 15 was pessimistic. After a lackluster first two games that saw them beat SE Missouri State and Mercer by an average of just 17 points, the Tigers have ripped off nine consecutive wins, with only one coming by less than 25 points.

The schedule was perceived to be relatively difficult, with neutral site games versus Notre Dame, California and Villanova; but with Notre Dame and Villanova disappointing thus far, Mizzou has ended up with a rather dreadful strength of schedule. That's where the margin of victory comes in handy. Mizzou could have started 11-0 while only performing at a semi-impressive level. But Mizzou has consistently dominated.

Of course, none of this matters now. The season begins in earnest on Thursday, with Illinois, Old Dominion (on the road) and 18 Big 12 conference games awaiting. With 11 wins banked, Mizzou would have to completely fall apart to miss the NCAA Tournament, but there are other goals (Big 12 title, high NCAA Tourney seed) on the table now.

We're going to start by looking just at the first-half stats of this one, as it was one of Mizzou's most impressive halves of an already impressive season.

First Half: Mizzou 44, William & Mary 18


Mizzou
W&M
Pace (No. of Possessions) 33.5
Points Per Minute 2.20
0.90
Points Per Possession (PPP) 1.31
0.54
Points Per Shot (PPS) 1.47
0.82
2-PT FG% 70.0%
27.3%
3-PT FG% 20.0%
18.2%
FT% 90.9%
66.7%
True Shooting % 63.1%
34.7%




Mizzou W&M
Assists 5
2
Steals 8
2
Turnovers 4
11
Ball Control Index (BCI)
(Assists + Steals) / TO
3.25
0.36




Mizzou W&M
Expected Offensive Rebounds 5
6
Offensive Rebounds 5
3
Difference +0
-3

(First Half Trifecta: Dixon-English-Ratliffe. There would have been no winner with that either.)

William & Mary shot 5-for-22 in the first half, and their turnovers more than doubled their made field goals. Mizzou won on the glass, dominated in the ball-handling department, and still almost scored 50 points despite a relatively slow pace. After an iffy first few possessions, Mizzou completely dominated on both sides of the ball. They also scored the first 19 points of the game. That was fun; they should definitely do that more often.

Star-divide

Mizzou 94, William & Mary 56


Mizzou
W&M
Pace (No. of Possessions) 65.6
Points Per Minute 2.35
1.40
Points Per Possession (PPP) 1.43
0.85
Points Per Shot (PPS) 1.62
1.06
2-PT FG% 75.7%
45.2%
3-PT FG% 33.3%
22.7%
FT% 85.0%
65.0%
True Shooting % 70.4%
45.3%




Mizzou W&M
Assists 18
8
Steals 11
4
Turnovers 6
14
Ball Control Index (BCI)
(Assists + Steals) / TO
4.83
0.86




Mizzou W&M
Expected Offensive Rebounds 8
13
Offensive Rebounds 6
10
Difference -2
-3

The ball-handling and offense got quite a bit better in the second half, though the defense and rebounding slacked a bit. Still, it is difficult to get too worried about that lapse, considering a) Mizzou had coasted to a 25+ point lead before it happened, and b) Mizzou still won by 38.

Mizzou Player Stats

(Definitions at the bottom of the post.)

Player
AdjGS GmSc/Min Line
Mike Dixon
25.9
0.93
28 Min, 30 Pts (13-19 FG, 3-7 3PT, 1-1 FT), 3 Stl, 2 Ast
Kim English
16.6
0.69
24 Min, 17 Pts (3-6 FG, 2-3 3PT, 9-9 FT), 4 Reb, 3 Stl, 2 TO
Matt Pressey
13.3
0.46
29 Min, 11 Pts (5-6 FG, 1-1 3PT), 5 Reb (2 Off), 3 Ast
Ricardo Ratliffe
11.3
0.47
24 Min, 11 Pts (5-6 FG, 1-2 FT), 7 Reb (2 Off), 2 Ast, 2 Blk, 2 TO
Phil Pressey
8.3
0.33
25 Min, 6 Pts (2-6 FG, 0-3 3PT, 2-2 FT), 5 Ast, 3 Reb
Kadeem Green
5.4
0.34
16 Min, 4 Pts (2-2 FG, 0-2 FT), 5 Reb
Marcus Denmon
4.8
0.17
28 Min, 7 Pts (3-11 FG, 1-7 3PT), 4 Reb, 3 Ast
Steve Moore
4.5
0.30
15 Min, 4 Pts (2-2 FG), 3 Reb, 2 Ast
Andy Rosburg
2.3
1.15
2 Min, 2 Pts (2-2 FT), 1 Reb
Andrew Jones
1.6
0.80
2 Min, 2 Pts (2-2 FT), 1 PF
Jarrett Sutton
-0.1
-0.01
7 Min, 1 Reb, 1 PF
  • At this point, Mizzou has three players reasonably capable of scoring 30 points in any given game (Dixon, English, Denmon) and three others capable of scoring 20 (Pressey, Pressey, Ratliffe). If you are going to lack any semblance of serious depth and scholarship players, that's one way to overcome it.
  • It's also nice to know that Mizzou can win a game by almost 40 with Marcus Denmon contributing almost nothing. Actually, Denmon and Dixon have almost completely reversed roles in the last two games:

    Denmon: 58 minutes, 24 points (11-for-22 FG, 2-for-9 3PT), 10 rebounds, 3 assists, 5 steals
    Dixon: 53 minutes, 48 points (18-for-26 FG, 5-for-11 3PT), 3 rebounds, 6 assists, 6 steals
  • In the last two games, Dixon and English have combined to shoot 8-for-18 (44%) from 3-point range. Everybody else on the team: 5-for-21 (24%). Odd.
  • In the last six games, Phil Pressey is averaging 8.2 assists and 5.7 points per game. I won't get worried about the 27% shooting in that span ... yet.
  • In the last six games, Ricardo Ratliffe is shooting 86% from the field.
  • In the last two games, Kadeem Green has scored 12 points and grabbed 11 rebounds.
  • Once again, I loved Jones' fist pumps after his free throws. He is a really, really easy guy to root for. (Both his and Rosburg's free throws looked pure and pretty, by the way.)
  • It's a little thing, but I really like Frank Haith's substitution patterns in blowouts. I love that he brings in the walk-ons in in the first half, and I love that Jarrett Sutton has seen four or more minutes in games six times. I realize part of that is due to the fact that there is almost literally no bench (and the alternative to playing walk-ons is keeping the starters in even more), but still.
Player Usage% Floor% Touches/
Poss.
%Pass %Shoot %Fouled %T/O
Dixon
38%
65%
3.4
37%
60%
3%
0%
English
27%
46%
2.7
28%
28%
34%
9%
M. Pressey
13%
73%
2.6
72%
24%
0%
4%
Ratliffe
20%
59%
2.7
55%
28%
7%
9%
P. Pressey
15%
49%
4.5
79%
16%
4%
0%
Green
10%
67%
0.7
0%
56%
44%
0%
Denmon
22%
31%
3.1
62%
38%
0%
0%
Moore
11%
71%
3.0
80%
14%
0%
7%

To the checklist!

Marcus Denmon's Usage% needs to be 23% or higher. (No.)
Kim English's %T/O needs to be at 10% or lower. (Yes!)
Kim English's Floor% should be at 35% or higher. (Yes!)
Ricardo Ratliffe's %Fouled should be at least 10%. (No.)
Phil Pressey's Touches/Possession need to be 3.5 or better. (Yes!)
Mike Dixon's %Pass should be 55% or higher. (No.)
Steve Moore's Touches/Possession should be at least 1.0. (Yes!)

Basically, if you reversed the roles of Denmon and Dixon, this was a nearly perfect game. Dixon was the shooting guard, Denmon was the 1.5.

Summary

11-0. Bring on Braggin' Rights.

---

AdjGS: a take-off of the Game Score metric (definition here) accepted by a lot of basketball stat nerds. It takes points, assists, rebounds (offensive & defensive), steals, blocks, turnovers and fouls into account to determine an individual's "score" for a given game. The "adjustment" in Adjusted Game Score is simply matching the total game scores to the total points scored in the game, thereby redistributing the game's points scored to those who had the biggest impact on the game itself, instead of just how many balls a player put through a basket.

Usage%: This "estimates the % of team possessions a player consumes while on the floor" (via). The usage of those possessions is determined via a formula using field goal and free throw attempts, offensive rebounds, assists and turnovers. The higher the number, the more prevalent a player is (good or bad) in a team's offensive outcome. As you would expect, someone like Kim English has a high Usage%, while Steve Moore has an extremely low one.

Floor%: Via Basketball-Reference.com: Floor % answers the question, "when Player X uses a possession, what is the probability that his team scores at least 1 point?". The higher the Floor%, the more frequently the team probably scores when the given player is involved.

Touches/Possession: Using field goal attempts, free throw attempts, assists and turnovers, Touches attempt to estimate "the number of times a player touched the ball in an attacking position on the floor." Take the estimated touches and divide it by the estimated number of possessions for which a player was on the court, and you get a rough idea of how many times a player touched the ball in a given possession. For point guards, you'll see the number in the 3-4 range. For shooting guards and wings, 2-3. For Steve Moore, 1.30. You get the idea.

Anyway, using the Touches figure, we can estimate the percentage of time a player "in an attacking position" passes, shoots, turns the ball over, or gets fouled.

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Denmon is 7th on the AdjGS, right behind Kadeem Green.

This would normally lead me to believe two things : Denmon got hurt and we lost.

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by DnrW on Dec 19, 2011 9:21 AM CST reply actions  

4.83 BCI

Guh.

I wouldn’t mind if we scored the first 19 against, say, KU this year.

by jschooltiger on Dec 19, 2011 9:51 AM CST reply actions  

I'm really impressed with what Haith has done so far

But I don’t think it’s wise to say that Mizzou would have to totally fall apart to miss the NCAA tournament. The RPI, which is what the committee will have to look at, doesn’t consider margin of victory, so MU’s terrible schedule is really hurting them. They’re only 54th in the current RPI.

The Big 12 is shaping up to be much better than it looked at the beginning of the season. Half the conference is rated higher than Villanova (who I think is the second-strongest team MU has played). It’ll be interesting to see how the conference season shakes out. I don’t put a lot of stock in kenpom’s rating for KU right now because I think his adjustments are doing so much of the work for teams who have extreme strength of schedule. KU and MU are both outliers (on opposite ends of the spectrum) in that respect.

by KSinDC on Dec 19, 2011 9:57 AM CST reply actions  

That's a good point

I was thinking that 10-8 in a tough Big 12 could conceivably leave the Tigers with 23 wins overall but in a real fight with 18- and 19-win teams for spots on the bubble.

by KSinDC on Dec 19, 2011 10:26 AM CST up reply actions  

I get that feeling to some extent

We are, after all, Mizzou fans.

But let’s remember here that this team is thus far undefeated, and we’re reasonably high profile in that we’ve been to the tournament in several consecutive years. Perhaps the worst thing about our schedule is that Abromaitis (or however you spell his name) got hurt, and Notre Dame’s tumbled as a result. I’ve seen several places still picking Cal to win the Pac 12.

Would we have to fall very far to get screwed on seeding? We might not have to fall at all to get screwed on seeding. But we would have to more or less totally implode in conference to drop out altogether.

OH GOD WHY AM I TEMPTING COTG

We all understand what being a Mizzou fan is like. That’s no excuse for being a douche.

by jaeger on Dec 19, 2011 10:07 AM CST up reply actions  

he's not a Mizzou fan

he’s a jayhawk.

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by mizzou2396 on Dec 19, 2011 10:15 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm a KU fan. I should have noted that in the post.

Cal may win the Pac-12 (although I’d put my money on Arizona), but that conference is awful. Sagarin has them as the #9 conference this year.

If the season ended today, MU would be a very tough decision for the seeding committee. Undefeated, but with the 5th weakest schedule in the nation. Only one game against a likely NCAA team (although even Cal is 66th in the RPI now), but a massive margin of victory in that game. The teams that have dominated weaker schedules, like Belmont a couple years ago or perhaps Murray State this year are always tough for the committee, but, in MU’s case, I think what it means is that the conference portion of the schedule will be about all the committee considers. Win the conference and a 2-seed is within reach (or perhaps a 1-seed if some of the top teams who have played tougher schedules really stumble). Finish around .500 and a spot on the bubble is possible.

by KSinDC on Dec 19, 2011 10:56 AM CST up reply actions  

if the season ended today

we would be a 2-3 seed. Teams that are ranked in the top 10 generally don’t anything lower than a 4 seed.

But the season isn’t ending today (unless the world is ending and if you know something about that and are withholding it based on team affiliation that is seriously petty dude. TELL ME WHAT YOU KNOW!).

It will be interesting to see what happens. As you say, RPI doesn’t take into account margin of victory. Which is why it was pointed out above that while the SOS may be weak, you couldn’t ask for a team to do anything beyond what it has done.

Nova and ND have been extremely disappointing with their seasons, but Mizzou handled them like a top flight program would handle a lower third of the Big East school.
Cal may be in a terrible conference, but it was an absolute domination.

Mizzou certainly hasn’t shown that it is an iron-clad no doubt about it top 10 team, but there is also no evidence out there that they are overrated.

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by mizzou2396 on Dec 19, 2011 11:12 AM CST up reply actions  

I really don't think the rankings make any difference to the committee

And on the stuff that the committee considers, MU’s resume is currently very weak. I assume Cal’s ranking will improve, but the rest of MU’s schedule so far will do absolutely nothing to help MU’s seeding come tournament time.

It’s worth noting that MU’s kenpom rating is getting helped right now by his strong preseason ranking. In computer rankings that only consider results on the court so far, I think MU is a bit lower than Pomeroy has them (e.g. Sagarin’s best ranking for MU is 14). MU is a no-doubt top 25 team, but I don’t think we know a whole lot more about them than that. As the season goes along, the opponents will get tougher, but I also think the players’ confidence will grow. It will be interesting to see which prevails.

by KSinDC on Dec 19, 2011 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Agree that we don't know a whole lot

but a top 10 undefeated team isn’t going to be that difficult of a decision for a committee member. I think all you would have to do is look at the various bracket predictors out there for the backup. Granted, none of it means squat, but I think you are putting entirely too much faith in RPI at this point.

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by mizzou2396 on Dec 19, 2011 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Exactly.

"I try to shoot shots that I know are going to go in."
-Marcus Denmon

by ttt on Dec 19, 2011 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

It's not a question of faith

It’s what the committee uses, and I’ve been convinced by the simulated selection processes the NCAA conducts for journalists that the RPI truly does control the actual process. Although the ranking itself doesn’t mattter, the records agains top-25, top-50 and top-100 teams really does matter. I can not imagine a team getting a 2 seed with no top-50 wins even if they were 30-0.

MU and Murray State are both undefeated. I expect they’d get about the same seed if the season ended today. The fact that MU is in the top 10 and Murray State is barely ranked makes no difference.

by KSinDC on Dec 19, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Who really cares?

Arguing about seeding before it’s even Christmas, before the football season is done and before even one conference game strikes me as the most pointless waste of time.

I know Basketball is all you folks have. But you don’t have to obsess about the minutae months before it matters.

by MizKC on Dec 19, 2011 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

KSinDC is pretty decent for a Beaker

But this is the same line they’re all feeding us right now. I wish the SOS were better, but we can’t control how the other teams on our schedule play. But the national media loves us right now and you can’t wish away an 11-0 start no matter how much the folks in Lawrence wish they could. We’ll see what happens down the line, but Texas showed a few years ago that a strong start can overcome a weak finish when it comes time for tourney selection.

by Gaknar on Dec 19, 2011 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

As long as we sweep, I'm fine if you guys do well in the conference

We had a discussion on our own site the other day about how the RPI would play out in the selection process because the RPI is not a big fan of the Big 12. That’s mainly what I was interested in talking about here, but I think I was responsible for it devolving off into this other discussion.

Anyway, I hope that, as Big 12 teams non-conference schedules toughen up, the RPI rises because it makes a big difference in seeding and bubble decisions

by KSinDC on Dec 19, 2011 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

that's a nice sentiment.

i hope you guys go winless from now ’til kingdom come.

That don't make no sense!

by threadkiller on Dec 19, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I know you feel that way

I do hope you continue your streak of years without a conference title, if that’s any consolation.

by KSinDC on Dec 19, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Seriously.

If the season ended today? When we’re done with that let’s go review our Week 4 bowl projections.

Mizzou is playing incredibly well, and while they haven’t played top of the line competition, they are incinerating that competition. But by all means, let’s nitpick the minutiae by interpreting Bill’s statements as Mizzou being some sort of “lose out and they’re still in the tournament” lock.

by Transmogrified Tiger on Dec 19, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Beating the living tar out of the teams we play is like a double edged sword.

You’ll see other ranked teams play inferior opponents close now and then but not Mizzou, at least not yet. We are making them look really bad.

by M Krip on Dec 19, 2011 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not particularly interested in debating the merits of cake and pie. I am interested in the selection proces

I always try to be respectful when I’m here, but I never worry whether any particular debate is a good use of people’s time. I think that’s one of the things that makes this a cool site.

by KSinDC on Dec 19, 2011 12:39 PM CST up reply actions  

i am hurt by this slam.

/sniffle

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by Spider_Monkey on Dec 19, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

agreed

If you are reading the comments, you’re probably just looking to kill time anyway, or in other words, waste time.

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by mizzou2396 on Dec 19, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

well your theory, in my opinion, is based upon a false premise

because we are using this totally fictional season, your example of a 30-0 team with no wins over any team in the top 50 would have to be a team in such a poor conference that I’m not sure it even exists.

What you are doing, in my opinion, is coming up with something that is impossible (ending the season today) but then using examples from a full season.

If I were to do the same thing, I could say an undefeated Big 12 team would get a 1 seed. Of course, both of are examples are ridiculous on the face because either it literally couldn’t happen (yours – season ended today) or it is extremely unlikely to happen (mine- Mizzou ends up undefeated)

Therefore, it appears the easiest way to resolve a situation that can’t happen is to use projections, which all have Mizzou comfortably in the projections.

While I don’t really like Lunardi, I will trust his opinion over KSinDC’s. Just like I would hope you would trust his over Mizzou2396.

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by mizzou2396 on Dec 19, 2011 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

I was going to make a similar argument to this, so I'll just say this instead.

RPI (for individual teams) is pretty useless at this point in the season. Not enough games have been played against similarly skilled competition (i.e.- conference games). RPI is only really useful (though limited) at the end of the season. If Mizzou’s success is truly a product of their schedule, then they will end the season with an RPI around 54. If Mizzou’s kenpom (or sagarin) ranking is more representative of who they are, they will end the season with a MUCH higher RPI.

Given how they are calculated, at this point of the season, I will believe a kenpom ranking (good or bad) much, much, much, much more than a RPI ranking.

Could Mizzou miss the tournament? Yes, but given the evidence we have so far, I don’t think it will be because of their non-conference SOS. It will be because they play a much lower skill level than they have so far exhibited this season.

by the_k on Dec 19, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

"Given the evidence we have so far"

that phrase totally sums up my feelings on this subject. The evidence overwhelmingly suggests Missouri is going to easily make the tournament. We are a good team by every measure that isn’t RPI, which at this point in the season is almost meaningless and isn’t predictive. And 9-9 in conference would pretty much count as a total collapse, which is probably what would be required to get us squarely on the bubble.

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-Marcus Denmon

by ttt on Dec 19, 2011 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

keep in mind kenpom weighs SOS better than any other ranking system

mizzou has defeated a weak non-conference slate the way that a top ten team defeats a weak non-conference schedule.

by kevinf on Dec 19, 2011 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

We shouldn't forget

That Abromaitis played in that ND game. With his suspension at the start of the season and subsequent ACL tear, they will be much worse than the team Mizzou beat and the RPI/SOS/whatever wont reflect that.

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by Evan Pfaff on Dec 19, 2011 10:31 AM CST reply actions  

Our SOS will get notably better . . .

. . . from here on out. Our conference opponents’ winning percentage (plus Illinois and Old Dominion) for non-con games stands at 77% (147-44) right now. Of course, the conference winning percentage will necessarily drop as we get into league play, with every win being balanced by a loss (180-180), but that will still leave our conference opponents winning percentage at 56.6% for just non-con and conference play.

Our non-conference opponents winning percentage until now is 39% (42-66), but the teams we have been feasting on have room to improve their winning percentages as they move into conference play against consistently easier opposition. If these teams just continue at their current rate, our opponents winning percentage for the season would move to about 48%, but if they do better in conference than out of conference (as I think they will) our SOS should be much better with our opponents WP over 50%, which would cut our SOS in half or better.

57-54-9 . . . get used to it, jaybirds; and let us know when you want us to make it worse. Go Mizzou!

by countrycal on Dec 19, 2011 10:47 AM CST reply actions  

Just as the RPI doesn't mean much this time of year

Neither do the KenPom ratings. Pomeroy will tell you that himself—mid-January is when things really start to firm up. Mizzou looks damn good so far, and they’ve passed a couple of tests they probably would have failed last year. Still, our SOS is currently 345th in the nation. The Pac-12 will be uncommonly weak this year. Villanova is probably a bubble team. Both of those wins were nice, but they don’t mean as much as a lot of people want them to mean. The Big 12 season will be a grind, I promise you.

I like what I see so far, but I’m gonna need to see a lot more to be convinced the Tigers are a national powerhouse. The evidence just isn’t there yet.

by Bivouac77 on Dec 19, 2011 12:21 PM CST reply actions  

In the not very distant past

Mizzou struggled with poor teams. Now they are are destroying them. So, while we are all looking forward to seeing how the team performs against stiffer competition, I think it is safe to say that this is a better team than last year’s, for instance.

by AlaTiger on Dec 19, 2011 1:04 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

would he tell us that?

His rankings have evolved to include early season projections based on returning talent. Mizzou had a good projection and has moved up. This is probably both because we’ve outperformed our projection and some of our opponents have underperformed. But nonetheless, I think he’s gotten sophisticated enough to weed out the total mirages.
Of course the rankings get more accurate as the season goes on. And of course we could have a swoon. And of course we might not actually be as good as we think we are. But based on all credible metrics currently in use, we are objectively probably playing among the top 10 teams in the nation right now.

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-Marcus Denmon

by ttt on Dec 19, 2011 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

OT: Congrats to coach Dave Christensen:
Wyoming Cowboys head coach Dave Christensen has agreed to a new five-year contract extension and is salary is to increase significantly from his current $843,000; my guess is that it tops $1 million. Also, his assistant coach salary pool will increase by $100,000 per year. Wyoming did lose a coach over the weekend when defensive backs and recruiting coordinator Alex Grinch took a job at Missouri coaching their safeties

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by Spider_Monkey on Dec 19, 2011 12:27 PM CST reply actions  

yup

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Missouri has landed a commitment from Oregon transfer Jabari Brown, a freshman SG, per a source.

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