Mizzou Links, 12-20-11
by Bill C. on Dec 20, 2011 5:48 AM CST
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When Blaine Gabbert and Aldon Smith both declared for the NFL draft last year, I think most of knew that Gabbert might struggle if thrown into action too soon and Smith might thrive in a kind of pass rush specialist role. I don't think many of us suspected that Gabbert would struggle this much and Smith might thrive this much. Goodness, Aldon.
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- Agent Smith
NFL.com: VIDEO: Smith's Sack-O-Rama
Examiner.com: 49ers LB Aldon Smith breaks team rookie sack record - Well Done, Blaine
First Coast News: Gabbert Spreads Holiday Cheer to Children of Military Parents - North Carolina
The Trib (Dave Matter): Behind the Numbers: Gio-ology 101 - QB No. 1
Post-Dispatch: James Franklin grows into starting QB role - Unis
KC Star: Gary Pinkel speaks on new uniforms, new helmet"You have to look at the marketing of Mizzou. We’ve done studies on this – what do people around the country identify the University of Missouri (with)? And they identify with two things – the word Mizzou and that tiger-head logo."
Unprompted, Pinkel also pointed out that when he took over almost 11 years ago, people got all bent out of shape when they brought in the tiger-head logo and phased out the tiger-paw logo.
"The bottom line is, we (have to worry about) what markets Mizzou the best, nationally," Pinkel said. "We’re very sensitive to everybody…but we also have to decide what’s best for the future of our program."
So basically, if you read between the lines – which you have to do whenever you’re talking to a college football coach – it sounds like Pinkel is at least considering changing the helmets. To what degree, no one knows. - Odom
PowerMizzou: Odom talks about leaving Mizzou
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MGoBlog (The Mathlete): Game Theory Manifesto: A Coach's Guide to Using Timeouts and Other Key Decisions
Mizzou Basketball Links
So apparently Cousy Award watchlisters take all of their cues from Doug Gottlieb, who saw Phil Pressey play once last January and decided he wasn't a true point guard. That Mike Dixon is named to this pointless list is pretty cool -- I have no doubt at this point that he is indeed one of the 60 best point guards in the country; that Pressey isn't ... well, it confirms all of the reasons why I hate watch lists (and the people whose votes create them) with a fiery passion. Incredibly ridiculous.
But hey, at least the Andrew Jones video is cool.
- God, I Hate Watch Lists So Much
MUtigers.com: Mike Dixon Named to Bob Cousy Award Watch List
CBS Sports: Get serious, Cousy AwardAnd if you're gonna list 60, fine. It's stupid, but whatever. I can live with that, I guess. But how do you get to 60 without having Missouri's Phil Pressey and South Dakota State's Nate Wolters? And how did Memphis' Will Barton get listed as a candidate? He's terrific. That's undeniable. But in two years of college I don't think he's ever played a single possession at point guard. Barton is a 6-6 wing who slashes on the offensive end and rebounds on the defensive end. He's no more of a point guard than Ohio State's Jared Sullinger, but Barton still somehow made the list of candidates for the Cousy Award.
His teammate Joe Jackson is a candidate, too.
So there are two Tigers listed.
But guess who isn't a candidate?
Chris Crawford.
(He's Memphis' actual starting point guard.) - Polls
KC Star: Missouri moves up to No. 9 in the AP men's basketball poll; KU is No. 12 - Transfers! Transfers! Transfers!
The Trib: Oregon transfer Jabari Brown commits to Tigers
The Missourian: Oregon basketball player Jabari Brown transferring to Missouri
PowerMizzou: Brown lands at Mizzou
KC Star: Jabari Brown says yes to Mizzou hoops
CBS Sports: Oregon transfer Brown picks Missouri
ZagsBlog: Jabari Brown to Mizzou - And, Um, Another Possible Transfer?
SI.com (Seth Davis): Leaving school does Pittsburgh's Khem Birch more harm than good - We Are Mizzou: A Day in the Life of Andrew Jones
SEC
- Tide Sports: Expansion brings new markets
The big mural downtown at the Sprint Center is sports-related and features the legendary pitcher of the Kansas City Monarchs, Satchel Paige (from, you guessed it, Mobile, Alabama.) The point isn't to find every minuscule thread that leads back to Alabama. It's just to note Kansas City - and perhaps most of Missouri, outside of St. Louis - has proven college sports interest and should be fertile ground for the SEC.
Alabama football fans may get a chance to test that, more quickly than expected. Nothing official has been released concerning the expansion-altered SEC football schedule for 2012, but it would not surprise me if Alabama's first visit to Missouri comes sooner rather than later. It could come much sooner. Much, much sooner. Take that in the spirit of a Christmas hint.
There is also a solid chance the SEC basketball tournament will be coming to Kansas City in a few years - Missouri certainly wants it to be played in the Sprint Center - and that wouldn't be terrible. - SimmonsField.com: SEC Dixie-nary: Q is for Quick Facts
- Outkick the Coverage: OKTC's Awkward Fan Photo Contest: Introducing Bama Fans
- MUtigers.com: Mizzou Soccer on the SEC
Other Mizzou Links
- Mizzou MMA
Bloody Elbow: Luke Thomas Gives Fight of the Year to Michael Chandler vs. Eddie Alvarez - Mizzou Wrestling
The Trib: As usual, Waters garners extra credit in MU victory - Mizzou Women's Basketball
MUtigers.com: Tigers Triumph over Purple Aces
MUtigers.com: Post Game Quotes
KBIA Sports Extra: Evansville can't stop Mizzou's posts, Brock and Flores each score 25 in Tiger win
The Missourian: Missouri women's basketball team shows confidence
KC Star: Missouri women top Evansville
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- Just Saying
New York Times: Nearly a Third of Americans Are Arrested by 23, Study Says - LOLs
SB Nation: SB Nation's Official Invented Lacross Name Registry
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Imagine if Aldon Smith had stayed another year
Clearly he made the right decision, but JUST IMAGINE.
Proud Meth Aggie since 2011.
Please....
…oh please oh please bring the SEC basketball tournament to KC. That would be perfect.
by achillbreeze on Dec 20, 2011 5:53 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
I am now hoping for this more than anything in the world.
by MU'97 on Dec 20, 2011 6:15 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
That would be outstanding
I try not to troll but part of me wants to take that to BOTC.
by jschooltiger on Dec 20, 2011 7:42 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
What caused the fallout with BOTC?
Apparently, I missed something. Cliff notes version, please!
We went to the SEC, and they weren't a fan of it.
Basically.
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They went insane over Mizzou’s move to the SEC. Apparently it’s the dumbest move ever, and will be the ruin of both us and the entire known world.
A: What are 4 things Spider_Monkey always has in his trailer?
"Self and I collapsed to our knees at the same moment. Its like we are kindred spirits man. Shit happens when you win championships" -A. Clark
by Spider_Monkey on Dec 20, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Three thoughts on playing the SEC tourney in KC
1. That would be a remarkable show of good faith by the SEC. To put the tournament in the state of a new member, on the extreme edge of the league, would be unusual and welcome.
2. It would be a savvy thing to do. If the SEC wants to plant a flag in its new territory, that’s a hell of a way to do it. It makes even more sense given that basketball isn’t a big priority through much of the league, but it’s a big deal in Kansas City. Why not play your tournament in the same complex that houses the College Basketball Hall of Fame?
3. If I were the Big 12, this might make me want to lock up the Sprint Center as a permanent home for the tournament so the SEC can’t have it. I can’t imagine that the Big 12 would be at all pleased with the SEC holding a high-profile championship right in the heart of Big 12 country. Either way, it’s a win for Kansas City.
by Michael Atchison on Dec 20, 2011 9:17 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
It would definitely be a gutsy move by the SEC to do it
Mizzou and Arkansas fans would certainly help anchor it, but the SEC might be taking a bit of a leap of faith in their Kentucky fans, who I have to assume anchor every other tournament location. Lexington to Kansas City is a pretty decent distance, and while I would assume the UK fans would make it…I guess without actually seeing their turnout, I would still be a little inquisitive about it.
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by The Beef on Dec 20, 2011 9:21 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
K-State fans can come
What with their total devotion to the best interests of KC.
by MizKC on Dec 20, 2011 9:28 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I kind of feel for them
They’ve so internalized the greed and me-first attitude of the Big XII that they can’t quite grasp the idea of a conference doing something for the best interests of the conference as opposed to just individual members. I still have trouble believing it some times. But why wouldn’t the SEC consider having the tourney in KC for a few years? The entire point of adding Mizzou was to get the St. Louis and KC media markets, so why add Mizzou and then say “We’re not going to do anything in your state because you aren’t really aren’t that important to the SEC”? That’s what Texas does.
We are DAVIDSON City!
by Gaknar on Dec 20, 2011 9:52 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
There were quite a few UK fans
for the Men’s Regional 3 years ago and the Women’s 2 years ago.
KC is closer for them than New Orleans where it will be this year, but farther than Atlanta where it was last year.
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Never forget Wolf Island!
or pie
"Self and I collapsed to our knees at the same moment. Its like we are kindred spirits man. Shit happens when you win championships" -A. Clark
by Spider_Monkey on Dec 20, 2011 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
solution
go to Branson. Get the ducks. Ride them across the river to Kentucky. Problem solved.
That's right Ice Man. I am dangerous
Pie Forever!
So you're an Oregon fan?
"Self and I collapsed to our knees at the same moment. Its like we are kindred spirits man. Shit happens when you win championships" -A. Clark
by Spider_Monkey on Dec 20, 2011 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
Of course!
I brought them down from the Wisconsin Dells.
"Self and I collapsed to our knees at the same moment. Its like we are kindred spirits man. Shit happens when you win championships" -A. Clark
by Spider_Monkey on Dec 20, 2011 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
I grew up like 15 minutes from Branson.
Have been assistant director of childcare for the local Y for the past couple summers, Ride The Ducks has become a staple for field trips. So tired of the damn captains playing the YMCA song EVERY FIVE MINUTES.
take heart, that's less often than OU plays boomer sooner.
"Self and I collapsed to our knees at the same moment. Its like we are kindred spirits man. Shit happens when you win championships" -A. Clark
by Spider_Monkey on Dec 20, 2011 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Ha!
I was in Knoxville once and requested the bartender play Rocky Top. I thought he was going to jump over the bar and knock me out until he realized I was being sarcastic.
"Let schoolmasters puzzle their brain, With grammar, and nonsense, and learning; Good liquor, I stoutly maintain, Gives genius a better discerning." – Oliver Goldsmith
Slap some armor and weapons on there and Burt Gummer would be very proud.
/Goldamn. Armored transport!
by Babbalynski on Dec 20, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
What?
No self share of your Jayhawk-bashing yellow journalism? What are you trying to hide, slaver?
/stayclassy,RCT
by MU'97 on Dec 20, 2011 6:17 AM CST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
If the B1G gets to retroactively claim Tom Osbourne, I don't see why not.
Now that Mizzou is going to the SEC does the league get to retroactively claim Justin Smith and Aldon Smith?
I’m known as a bit of a dreamer!
by MizzouRah04 on Dec 20, 2011 6:18 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
NOW DO ONE WITH FAROKMANESH!
The sleeper has awoken. . .awakened. . .he woke up.
by SleepyFloyd7 on Dec 20, 2011 9:44 AM CST up reply actions
what move is this from?
Is this a real scene (minus the subtitles)? Because that is hilarious.
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encino man!
I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
not fat, just luxurious.
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by BillSelfsToupee on Dec 20, 2011 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
one of my favorite move moments ever
I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
not fat, just luxurious.
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by BillSelfsToupee on Dec 20, 2011 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
dangit, link fail
here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rX0EzgK9u0
I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
not fat, just luxurious.
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by BillSelfsToupee on Dec 20, 2011 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
the problem with the gif
is that he eventually gets the girl. So it basically says that Davidson is just a roadblock in the way of sweet victory, which ku will eventually get.
If I could make a gif, I would show Rickey from Boyz n the Hood as ku, the end of the alley as sweet victory and the dude in the red car with the shotgun as Davidson. Sure, Davidson may die later, but Rickey never gets to the end of that alley.
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the not funny part
is why it is a blessing to the internet that I don’t know how to make gifs
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On the Andrew Jones video...
So, I clicked the closed captioning button on that video and selected the BETA version of “Transcribe Audio.” I think “Beta” might be a bit of an understatement. Here’s what was actually said in part of the video:
And so the team was chanting and all excited… Watching him shoot that free throw, once that first one went in, the locker room went wild. He did his little signature fist pump, got everybody alive. And, man, I think it’s just cool to see him out there… I really couldn’t feel anything. I just knew I was going to clink it off the back iron or bank it in or shoot an airball, but fortunately they both went in. I was just real excited, because I’ve been waiting…
And here’s what the YouTube transcription got out of that:
And so that that team was cheesy not cited. It wasn’t simply a free trial was there for some women the locker room where a lot of hedonism is significant is called that is not allowed in that there is a good thing about that they are really concealing saying but not just new auto driven off the back on a naked and have serum all but fortunately before then causes real excited to have been and waiting.
I honestly can’t pick my favorite part.
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by RPT on Dec 20, 2011 6:42 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Gotta be "for some women the locker room where a lot of hedonism is significant"
Though the naked serum part is also fantastic. YouTube Transcription is a perv!
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Oh that is just wow. I have no words to describe the awesomeness
That's right Ice Man. I am dangerous
Pie Forever!
So KC gets some nice comments in the Tide Sports piece
and it sounds like this guy knows that Alabama is going to play on Faurot Field in 2012? Cool.
If so, good luck
And you will immediately begin to hate houndstooth.
by SEC Supremacist on Dec 20, 2011 8:20 AM CST up reply actions
For some of us, we are way past "begin"
Over 20 years in Alabama will do that to you. The houndstooth thing is worse than ever, though.
My family was in NYC a couple of Decembers back and I overheard a woman at the Bryant Park Christmas shops talking about how unique houndstooth was and how hard to find, etc.
Apparently, NYC isn’t fashion forward enough.
/rollseyesnottide
I can commisserate. I spent my first 24 years in Alabama.
I now cringe when my wife wears houndstooth. She doesn’t understand why it’s a big deal.
by SEC Supremacist on Dec 20, 2011 8:42 AM CST up reply actions
Aldon Smith causing power outages in SF...
My fav stat of that game – SF had 8 QB hits… Aldon had 7 of those
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by 65 Toss Power Trap83 on Dec 20, 2011 7:15 AM CST reply actions
Just watched the sack video
Aldon seems to have an uncanny ability to sense where the QB is going to go next. On the forced fumble especially, he pushed off his blocker at exactly the right time to move to his right. And just an observation: It seems that his biggest asset is still his speed (two of his sacks took pretty roundabout routes to the QB).
Also, he got robbed that someone only gave him half a sack on one of those… the three I saw were pretty clean “whole” sacks.
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
He also lost another one on a defensive penalty down field earlier in the game
He had probably his best game on the biggest stage, and that is wonderful. I was really impressed by the strength he showed on a lot of the pass rushes (as we all knew the speed was there). It will help him be a part of the Defensive Rookie of the Year conversation, where he absolutely deserves to be. And I will be very proud when he finishes second…as I do think Von Miller will win it. Miller has certainly been assisted by Tebow-mania, but his stats are pretty comparable to Smith’s, as he has 11.5 sacks and about 20-30 more tackles. Would LOVE to see Aldon get the rookie sack record (14.5 I believe by Jevon Kearse), and he obviously has a great shot at it with two games to go.
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even more impressive?
no ota’s or full camp. a fast learn, that aldon.
That don't make no sense!
by threadkiller on Dec 20, 2011 8:56 AM CST up reply actions
The talk about the uniforms
makes me believe that it’s going to be a monster tiger on the helmets at least that’s how Pinkel made it sound like to me
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by 65 Toss Power Trap83 on Dec 20, 2011 7:18 AM CST reply actions
I'll admit, I'm torn on the helmet issue.
I am a fan of the traditional design of the helmet and I feel that if Mizzou is going to go with a more modern uniform look I would like to see them anchor it with a traditional helmet design. I’ll also piont out that I’m one of those that aren’t a huge fan of the current “roaring tiger” logo but it has started to grow on me over the years and I have to believe that there is an entire generation now that more readily identifies Mizzou with that logo than any other symbol from Mizzou’s past.
That said, I’ll play devil’s advocate for a moment. First is that while the block M is a symbol beloved by many of the tradionalists around here it does bear a resemblance to the logo of a certain team that resides in the B1G. We can also make the point that the more “in-your-face” approach in uniform design taken by Oregon and others is a draw for some recruits and that is something that Pinkel and company has to keep in mind.
Last but not least I’m gonna broach a point that is going to cause some grinding of teeth but it has to be noted, and that’s the issue of “tradition”. The True Sons (and daughters) here on RMN know the history of our Tigers and can argue the merits of those great teams from the 60’s. Those of us of my generation witnessed the rough years of the 80’s and 90’s but wear the scars of the Fifth Down and the Flea-Kicker with pride, they are the symbols of fans who suffered through the lean years and have every right to be proud of the modern era. The problem is that those who haven’t followed our program only seem to remember the lean years and even our current success is dulled somewhat, especially since even the great seasons of the past don’t include even one National Championship (ridiculous claim that so many of those are). You have to admit that there is some merit to focusing on the modern era by highlighting the “roaring tiger” while allowing the more traditional look to fade into the past, whether I like it or not.
A final point: A new era, with the SEC, is upon us. There has been a lot of talk about Mizzou needing to adapt to thrive and a change in look and attitude might be one of those things the administration and coaching staff feel is a step in that direction.
Keep in mind, this isn’t really a call to abandon the Block M but simply a few points as to why a change might be in the works, despite the fact that many of the faithful might object.
Gotta admit, when I first came to mizzou I was very perplexed that they would pick a logo nearly identical to the Michigan ‘M’. Now having come away from Mizzou and knowing a lot more about branding, I’m thinking it’s an even worse strategy. It has a lot of local tradition, but on the national level that imagery is already seared into most people’s minds as belonging to a different brand. It will be very difficult to get the image to stick into people’s minds with the meaning we want given all the “retroactive” interference from the other logo. Better to evolve it away in a different and more unique direction.
Actually...we "allowed" Michigan to have their mark
That M was originally ours…but we left it unprotected at some point many decades ago and Michigan took it for their own. Has worked out well for them I would say…
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Please don't fuck up your helmets. Think about the iconic ones.
Alabama
Auburn
Tennessee
Texas
Michigan
Ohio State
They are all old school helmets that look great. Mizzou’s current helmets look pretty good. Please don’t become Oregon. No one likes Oregon.
by SEC Supremacist on Dec 20, 2011 8:32 AM CST up reply actions
let's play a game
Bama, Auburn, Tennessee, Texas, Michigan, Ohio State, Missouri
Which one doesn’t belong on that list?
I love Mizzou and love it’s tradition. But to say that Mizzou and it’s football marketing is iconic is something people can’t do with a straight face.
There’s a reason that nobody moves to Ann Arbor and says “Why are there so many Mizzou fans around here?”
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Point well taken, however
You’re about to be put on a much larger media stage where you can have that brand shown pretty much every week on national television. You have the rock M. You currently have the block M. Stick with your traditions.
by SEC Supremacist on Dec 20, 2011 8:44 AM CST up reply actions
To expand on my point
The teams above can point to their helmets and talk about the people who have won national championships there, the people who have won Heisman, Outland and other trophies there.
Mizzou doesn’t have that. Not yet. “Nobody likes Oregon” except for high school kids who are good at football. This is marketing, plain and simple. I would love to stay with the traditional stuff. But I’m 31 and am already committed to Mizzou. They aren’t going to do anything to turn me away (unlike Falcon_05). I’m not their target audience, nor should I be.
If the new helmets appeal to the younger generation, then go for it. I don’t understand the hype around the Twilight movies and books, but it doesn’t matter, they don’t want me, they want a younger generation.
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The "Nobody likes Oregon" was mostly in jest after January of this year, I have a little hate for them.
If a kid is deciding on their school based on helmets, we have much bigger problems. I figured chances of getting into the pros, education, proximity to home and friends would be deciding factors. The biggest difference I see a design change making would be the amount of gear purchased by fans.
My one exception is Maryland. I would have decommitted from their team after seeing what they put their players in this year. Those uniforms are almost as bad as playing for Maryland.
by SEC Supremacist on Dec 20, 2011 8:55 AM CST up reply actions
They are all deciding factors
but it’s every single advantage that you can possibly get. The schools you listed have the advantage of showing their uniforms and talking of the past. Schools that don’t have it should capitalize on breaking out the latest and greatest and talking about the future.
There’s an old saying in the law “You can pick the facts and which side you want to take, as long as I get to pick which issues we argue.”
If I were competing against Bama, I’d want to paint Bama as an old 1960’s school, stuck in a tradition that was borderline racist. A team that doesn’t let their qb throw the ball and plays boring football. (Please note I don’t believe this, but if I’m selling, this is what I’m selling).
While I’d show Mizzou as a team that is moving forward with the times. “Remember when John Stockton wore short shorts? Bama is essentially playing in short shorts for the sake of tradition. Come here. We are new, we are hip we are cool.”
If you don’t think that stuff influences people watch a commercial or a movie. Dangling shiny things in front of people may be insulting, but it’s also effective.
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You don't want to get into an dangling of shiny things war with Bama
they have 8-Threve shiny things. I like to think kids put a bit more thought into where they go to college and play football than they do when picking out a breakfast cereal. It’s quite possible I’m wrong, but if I am, I fear for the future of our world.
by SEC Supremacist on Dec 20, 2011 9:07 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not saying it's the ONLY factor
but it is a factor and it would be foolish of Mizzou not to capitalize on every advantage it can get. In my opinion, staying with a block M that is more commonly seen as a Michigan thing than a Mizzou thing is not capitalizing on an advantage. In fact, it is just the opposite.
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
I see your point. I think it would just depend on the final design. I think it may be able to be done in a classy way.
I just think it will be difficult.
by SEC Supremacist on Dec 20, 2011 9:14 AM CST up reply actions
my guess is
the effectiveness is somewhere between you and 2396’s view. not as thoughtful as you think, and not as shallow as 2396 thinks.
That don't make no sense!
by threadkiller on Dec 20, 2011 9:12 AM CST up reply actions
my view is it is one of several factors
and there isn’t a reason to not capitalize on all factors that are within our control.
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you also expressed an opinion on how shallow teenagers are.
i intended no disrespect.
That don't make no sense!
by threadkiller on Dec 20, 2011 9:24 AM CST up reply actions
where was that, I certainly didn't try to
Busting Bill C since September 19, 2011 10:19 CST, 8:19 PDT.
also
you don’t need to tell me you didn’t intend disrespect, I never assume that you are intending it, and even if I think you are, I give you the benefit of the doubt and chalk it up to tone being lost in the written word.
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i intend no disrespect when i do that. just courtesy.
That don't make no sense!
by threadkiller on Dec 20, 2011 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
act tough on the internet but if actually confronted in real life
run away
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that was taken out of context.
i meant “small, young, hamburger”.
That don't make no sense!
by threadkiller on Dec 20, 2011 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
One of the issues I perceive with trying to be cool or marketing to a younger generation is...
you constantly have to reinvent yourself. What is cool one year may not be the next, so you have to redo all the work you just did. If you’re constantly trying to sell to the young crowd you’ll never truly have an identity.
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it will take some re-inventing
but one way to avoid the total reinvention every year is to do a Pro-Combat style once a year uniform and then only make minor changes to the color scheme (i.e. gold pants, gold jerseys, a gold helmet, add a stripe, take off a stripe, basically the same tinkering we do now).
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The problem for me is that I agree with both of you.
At heart, I’m a college football traditionalist and prefer the Block M and a tradtional helmet design. I’ll even argue that in the SEC a traditional approach would be more in keeping with the culture that now exists.
That said, mizzou2396’s points are the valid ones that I was trying to make while playing devil’s advocate. I’ll even go against the argument I just made and point out that maybe, in the traditionalist environment of the SEC, a more modern approach is exactly what we need to differentiate Mizzou and market ourselves. I will also note the number of people who seem enamoured of the stylized M that the baseball team wears. I’ve seen more than a few people seeking out that style over the Block M and it goes even further to wonder if a change in branding is really what the football team needs.
Again, my personal preference is for the traditional helmet but I’m not sure if I want the administration listening to me on this one. Oh, and those designs we were exposed to the other day? The first is still giving me nightmares but the later version had some definite appeal as an alternate version of the uniform.
I have also thought about the opportunity moving the SEC gives us here
The Pac 12 has Oregon & ASU, The Big 12 has OSU & now TCU. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Nike chose to come up with new uniform designs for us just as we move into the SEC. There really isn’t a single SEC team that has embraced the new look uni’s yet. That’s a vacuum that we can fill and possibly use it to our advantage in recruiting.
by N8 on Dec 20, 2011 9:22 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And a new market for Nike if it takes hold.
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i mean, the kids do.....
That don't make no sense!
by threadkiller on Dec 20, 2011 8:47 AM CST up reply actions
i agree.
however, you aren’t a 5 star wide receiver recruit. i don’t care what you/i think.
That don't make no sense!
by threadkiller on Dec 20, 2011 8:53 AM CST up reply actions
I say we let DGB pick if he agrees to play for MU for 4 years.
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by Spider_Monkey on Dec 20, 2011 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
Then Sheldon Richardson will hand make each uniform including the helmet and shoes.
Because he can.
That's right Ice Man. I am dangerous
Pie Forever!
You say iconic and then list a bunch of mediocre helmets and jerseys
I was no fan of helmet-mask from a couple days ago, but change can be a big improvement.
by Transmogrified Tiger on Dec 20, 2011 9:39 AM CST up reply actions
I say iconic because they are instantly recognizable and classics.
Some folks hate the design, but they always know exactly who it is.
by SEC Supremacist on Dec 21, 2011 9:15 AM CST up reply actions
We could put a turd on the side of our helmet
And people would know exactly who we are if we wore it long enough.
Personally
I think the roaring tiger is awesome. In Texas I can think of several high schools, right off the top of my head, that have “borrowed” that design to the point of tracing it. The logo clearly has wide-ranging appeal that is Mizzou Only. On the other hand, if you wear a gold hat with a black Block M, as cool as that look is, I think most people just assume it’s a navy M anyway. I hope we don’t necessarily adopt either of those two mock-ups from yesterday, but the Roaring Tiger is where things are headed. I hope they tuck away an alternate GOLD helmet while they’re at it..
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Mizzou does license the logo to high schools
I think Pilot Grove, for example, pays $1 a year to use it. But they’re purple and gold, so it messes with my brain when our admin assistant wears her Pilot Grove stuff to work.
by jschooltiger on Dec 20, 2011 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
I don't know if it's licensed or not but Republic uses it as well. They are Orange and Black.
It’s painted on the water tower so I’m sure it is licensed.
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I've had to do my own rebranding to keep my sanity.
I travel a lot for work and don’t need to be in business clothes when doing so, so I always have a Mizzou hat on. For a long time my go to was my black hat with a gold block M. About every other trip I would get a “Go Blue” from someone. I usually correct them by just saying “Mizzou” and keep walking.
For the past year or so I’ve gone to the black hat with the old M (like the one on the baseball team’s hats). I don’t get any comments because people don’t know what it is most likely, but at least they don’t think I’m just another Michigan fan.
by tigers-royals on Dec 20, 2011 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
Also
I’ve actually had a guy argue with me that I actually was wearing a Michigan hat and didn’t know it until I had to turn around and show him the Tiger on the back.
by tigers-royals on Dec 20, 2011 9:45 AM CST up reply actions
I really disliked the current unis when we switched to them
but, winning cures a lot of things. I’d like to see the M stay on the helmets most of the time, but there are ways to do that (ala the 09 pro combat unis) while updating the look. And, the recruits who think of MU as a winning school have done so with our current look, Tiger head logo, etc.
by jschooltiger on Dec 20, 2011 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
I went to school at MU in the 80's
and though I like to stick with tradition, I am thinking of the younger crowd who haven’t yet embraced that tradition that we are marketing ourselves too.
I imagine a pretty stylish logo on the helmet to go with those awesome unis our team already sports is the way to go.
Those examples that one guy posted on the internet are just the kind of thing that would really grab a 17 year olds attention. Sometimes, you gotta move on from the old days and get with the new days. What better time than when we are making a big conference switch.
A couple more Jabari Brown links...
Oregon Live: Jabari Brown will transfer to Missouri, per reports
Jabari Brown attended three different high schools in four years. Fannie Brown did not return calls from The Oregonian shortly after Dana Altman announced that Jabari Brown had left the team.
Brown’s departure was closely followed by the departure of freshman guard Bruce Barron. There is no word yet on where Barron will play. If Brown transfers and enrolls at Missouri immediately, he would be eligible to play at Missouri next December, per the NCAA’s transfer rules. Altman had said before finals that Brown was in good academic standing at Oregon.
Mom: Jabari Brown going to Mizzou
Fannie Brown cited “a good fit” with Missouri’s system and Tigers coach Frank Haith while declining to elaborate on her son’s departure from Oregon.
“I’ll just say it was a tough decision to leave when you know these young men will be raked over the coals when people don’t have any idea what’s going on,” she said.
“We thank Coach Altman and his staff for what they did for Jabari. It was a decision he made, and we will always support our boy.”
If Brown enrolls immediately, he could be eligible to join the Tigers as soon as next December under the NCAA’s transfer laws.
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"that tiger-head logo"
of course people think of the school’s logo when they think of the school. that doesn’t mean it’s particularly good though. i’m fine with the logo, but dear god, if they put that on the helmet, i can’t imagine it looking anything but awful.
i’m very doubtful that any changes to the uniform will be in the realm of understated or in good taste but i hope i’m proven wrong
You make a great point. What we've done at Auburn is have the new logo (which I like)
for fan gear and such. However, we kept the traditional helmets.
by SEC Supremacist on Dec 20, 2011 8:58 AM CST up reply actions
no offense (honestly), but i have a hard time suppressing my opinion sometimes:
that new logo looks a little middle-schoolish to me. and yes, i know mizzou has never won a championship of any kind.
That don't make no sense!
by threadkiller on Dec 20, 2011 9:14 AM CST up reply actions
Not offended.
It works great for us. It sets us apart from the other tigers in the region (LSU, Clemson, and now yall) . Our fanbase loves it. I’m not saying you should go with a similar design, in fact I’d prefer if you didn’t. My broader point was that you can have a fancy new logo, but that doesn’t mean it has to go on the helmet.
by SEC Supremacist on Dec 20, 2011 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
the helmets should stay the same
there is no confusion with michigan regarding our helmets because michigan’s helmets look nothing like missouri’s helmets. i think we would be very unlikely to top our current helmets. granted, if you wear a ball cap with the M on the front, maybe there is some confusion, but most fan gear i see says Mizzou, Missouri, or has the tiger head logo, so I don’t think there is much of an issue regarding confusion.
yeah, the complaint I initially had with the Tiger head logo
was that the early versions of it were waaay too similar to this:
I like that new Auburn logo, but I like the traditional helmets even better.
by jschooltiger on Dec 20, 2011 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
So last night had to be the first time Mizzou had three players starting on the defensive line in the same game
Let alone in a MNF game.
Yes, and the Falcons vs Jags game we had 4 starters.
Gabbert/Rutland and Spoon/Mo.
Not as visible or talked about, but none the less, allot of MU brand in the NFL right now.
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I may be in the minority here...
But I dig both of the fan created helmets posted here yesterday. That said, I also like our traditional look. Ideally I think it would be cool if we had 2 or 3 helmet looks that we could rotate.
And Gold pants!
thats a heck of a compliment from gottlieb
normally no one is more than 30-40% guard, especially a tiger.
I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
not fat, just luxurious.
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by BillSelfsToupee on Dec 20, 2011 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
If that Andrew Jones Fist pump isn't part of a new pregame video,
then they have missed a golden opportunity to spice it up
One thing I always loved about Jones during the football games
is that even though he didn’t get much playing time, he was always one of the first ones on the sideline to great and high five players as they came off the field. The kid is true Mizzou to the bone and I love him for it.
first android post!
something funny
I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
not fat, just luxurious.
#OccupyTheNorthPole
#CakeForLife
#IsThisSignatureLineLongEnough?
by BillSelfsToupee on Dec 20, 2011 11:13 AM CST via Android app reply actions 1 recs
I stopped using the iPhone app.
It was waaaaaay too slow. Much faster to just use the browser.
by CapnCribbs on Dec 20, 2011 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
android app seems to be working well
plus its not running on ios, so that helps.
I make bad decisions and people think my roller skating is hot.
not fat, just luxurious.
#OccupyTheNorthPole
#CakeForLife
#IsThisSignatureLineLongEnough?
by BillSelfsToupee on Dec 20, 2011 11:26 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Just downloaded the app too.
Is there recing? It might be that I’m without knowledge on the new system.
Cheering on MIZZOU from all around the world.
by jimlc on Dec 20, 2011 12:35 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Just downloaded app
So far, I think using the mobile site is more user friendly.
by MUPete on Dec 20, 2011 11:27 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
vote for Aldon for pepsi rook of the week
http://www.nfl.com/voting/rookies/2011/REG/15
he’s already won twice this year!
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Another fun Big Equation realignment article:
“We proposed equal distribution before they ever left,” Dodds said of Missouri. “We made the motion for network and cable stuff to be divided equally. That was done way before they decided to leave. Missouri said they’re going to make more money in the SEC. They’re not. We’re going to do our ABC/ESPN thing, and we’re going to be making as much or more as the SEC.”
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Man, when are we ever going to appreciate all that Texas has done for us?
We are DAVIDSON City!
by Gaknar on Dec 20, 2011 12:18 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
i'd say our first year in the sec when we go 0-76.
“bevo, please take us back!! we’ll even suck the hind one like we used to!”
That don't make no sense!
by threadkiller on Dec 20, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
I think we do appreciate TX now. I'm going to make them a walnut bowl.
Dodds comments also don’t include the Big Ten’s primary deal with ESPN that expires after the 2015-16 academic year. By that time, the already-profitable Big Ten Network could be providing half of the revenue for member schools.
Thanks Dodds. You could’a had ALL THE MONIES if you were willing to do a conference network.
“Something is wrong with your conference,” a source told CBSSports.com in August, “when Washington State is getting more from its conference than the University of Texas.”
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by Spider_Monkey on Dec 20, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think they misspelled "wreckin" on RCT's Davidson thread from last night.
As I suspected It’s Rock M Nation posters rec-ing everything here.
by KSinDC
by M Krip on Dec 20, 2011 1:00 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
To be fair, no one would have noticed if they wouldn't have set their standards so low.
1 rec = green
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to be fair, it's not up to them to decide that. it's up to sbn.
That don't make no sense!
by threadkiller on Dec 20, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
Nope. We control it.
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Well Bill C, don't bother putting in thought into anything related to kU, because the best response they can give you is...
GOOD GOD OMG!
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by Andrew Clark on Dec 20, 2011 9:09 AM PST
Sad that’s from an actual contributor over there.
There are some good people over there, actually willing to put some thought into a debate, but Jesus some of them need to make some more friends or something.
that 2nd line is his sig, right?
mine’s not exactly brilliant, and i put a lot of thought into it.
That don't make no sense!
by threadkiller on Dec 20, 2011 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
I hope he doesn't mind I borrowed it...
"Self and I collapsed to our knees at the same moment. Its like we are kindred spirits man. Shit happens when you win championships" -A. Clark
by Spider_Monkey on Dec 20, 2011 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
:-)
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That don't make no sense!
by threadkiller on Dec 20, 2011 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
Merry Christmas to the Droid owners
I finally received my SB Nation app for our Droids!
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