Study Hall: Oklahoma
Your Trifecta: Dixon-Bowers-Safford. Your winner: ...are you kidding? For Dixon-Bowers-Safford? No winner. In fact, only one person listed Safford at all.
First ... links!
- MUtigers.com: No. 19 Mizzou Tops Sooners, 84-61
- ESPN.com: VIDEO: No. 20 Missouri Rolls Oklahoma, 84-61
- The Trib: MU bench comes up big in rout of Oklahoma
The Trib: Marcus Denmon should be back Tuesday after elbow to the face - The Missourian: Ricky Kreklow leads bench in Missouri's win over Oklahoma
The Missourian: Justin Safford bounces back in Missouri's victory - KC Star: Mizzou's bench pounds Oklahoma in 84-61 victory
KC Star: Denmon expected to play Tuesday after stitches
KC Star (Upon Further Review): Home Cookin' - Post-Dispatch: Mizzou pounds Oklahoma 84-61
Post-Dispatch: Reserves spark Mizzou to lopsided win - PowerMizzou: Emptying the bench
PowerMizzou: PHOTO GALLERY: The baseline view - KBIA Sports Extra: Bench fuels Tigers win over Sooners
KBIA Sports Extra: HIGHLIGHTS: Mizzou 84, Oklahoma 61 - Daily Oklahoman: No. 19 Missouri men top Oklahoma 84-61
Mizzou 84, Oklahoma 61
| Mizzou |
OU | |
| Pace (No. of Possessions) |
65.6 | |
| Points Per Minute |
2.10 | 1.53 |
| Points Per Possession (PPP) |
1.28 | 0.93 |
| Points Per Shot (PPS) |
1.33 | 1.09 |
| 2-PT FG% | 52.3% | 48.7% |
| 3-PT FG% | 36.8% | 29.4% |
| FT% | 85.0% | 80.0% |
| True Shooting % | 58.5% | 50.5% |
| Mizzou | OU | |
| Assists | 17 | 10 |
| Steals | 9 | 3 |
| Turnovers | 7 | 18 |
| Ball Control Index (BCI) (Assists + Steals) / TO |
3.71 | 0.72 |
| Mizzou | OU | |
| Expected Offensive Rebounds | 12 | 12 |
| Offensive Rebounds | 14 | 10 |
| Difference | +2 | -2 |
"Either a Five-Point Game or a 25-Point Game"
I said in Friday's preview that "if Mizzou can't make some shots, settle into their press, and force Oklahoma out of their intended game, then this could be a slog." And for a while, it was. With Mizzou's starters missing shots and just appearing out of sync early on, the game played right into Oklahoma's hands. But then the symbiotic relationship between the Mizzou offense and defense presented itself again -- Mizzou started shooting better and, consequently, forcing more turnovers. And Oklahoma stopped making shots. A couple of spurts of turnovers later, Mizzou had a comfortable double-digit lead. And in the end, they almost got the 25-point margin at which I had hinted.
Third-Round Flurry
We've discussed quite a bit how Mizzou games play out differently at home and on the road. The refs call things differently, different players play well, etc. But perhaps the most well-defined difference between home and road games are as follows: at home, Mizzou wins the third round. By now, you probably know of my omnipresent, persistent-to-the-point-of-annoying boxing references, so you probably know what I am talking about; but just in case you don't, each four-minute segment of the game between TV timeouts is one "round" of a ten-round fight. The third round (roughly the 12:00 to 8:00 mark of the first half) is when Mike Anderson sends in the subs to get the starters some rest and soften up the opponent. During Mizzou's 2008-09 run, the 'second string' of Marcus Denmon, Keith Ramsey, Laurence Bowers, Miguel Paul, etc., did great things in the 'third round,' and it typically led to Mizzou going on a run against a worn out opponent late in the first half.
At home, this still typically happens. It certainly happened yesterday -- Ricky Kreklow banked in a 3-pointer, Kreklow and Mike Dixon got some steals and layups (though Dixon's was blocked), Steve Moore blocked a shot, knocked in two lay-ups, and grabbed an offensive rebound; in all, Mizzou's bench made up the deficit created by the slow-starting starters. On the road, the bench may be a liability, and the third round might be where the home team makes a run, but at Mizzou Arena, things typically work out just fine. And guys like Kreklow and Moore were quite fun to watch.
By the way ... congrats to Kreklow for getting the monkey off of his back and actually making some shots!
Ball Control
When Mizzou's BCI is over 5x better than their opponent's and they win the expected rebounds battle by four ... yeah, they're going to win more often than not. Great work from Justin Safford and Laurence Bowers on the offensive glass, great pick-pocket work from the Brothers Pressey.
Mizzou Player Stats
(Definitions at the bottom of the post.)
| Player |
AdjGS | GmSc/Min | Line |
| Mike Dixon | 12.3 | 0.56 | 22 Min, 16 Pts (4-9 FG, 3-6 3PT, 5-6 FT), 4 Reb, 2 TO |
| Laurence Bowers | 11.9 | 0.44 | 27 Min, 8 Pts (4-8 FG), 9 Reb (4 Off), 2 Ast |
| Justin Safford | 10.8 | 0.49 | 22 Min, 11 Pts (5-8 FG, 1-2 FT), 6 Reb (4 Off) |
| Ricardo Ratliffe | 9.1 | 0.48 | 19 Min, 13 Pts (4-8 FG, 0-1 3PT, 5-6 FT), 2 Reb |
| Phil Pressey | 8.8 | 0.38 | 23 Min, 6 Pts (2-4 FG, 2-3 3PT), 3 Ast, 3 Stl, 2 Reb, 2 TO |
| Marcus Denmon | 8.7 | 0.62 | 14 Min, 9 Pts (3-5 FG, 1-2 3PT, 2-2 FT), 2 Reb |
| Ricky Kreklow | 7.9 | 0.56 | 14 Min, 7 Pts (3-4 FG, 1-2 3PT), 2 Ast |
| Steve Moore | 6.2 | 0.44 | 14 Min, 6 Pts (3-4 FG, 0-1 3PT), 3 Reb (2 Off) |
| Matt Pressey | 5.0 | 0.23 | 22 Min, 2 Pts (0-3 FG, 0-1 3PT, 2-2 FT), 5 Ast, 2 Reb, 2 Stl |
| Kim English | 1.5 | 0.07 | 22 Min, 6 Pts (2-10 FG, 0-3 3PT, 2-2 FT), 3 Reb |
| Jarrett Sutton | 0.8 | 0.76 | 1 Min, 1 Ast |
- So Laurence Bowers has been involved in two incidents involving stray elbows in the last couple of weeks ... and Mizzou has ended up worse off because of both of them? After saying hi to Tristan Thompson's elbow a while back in Austin, Bowers followed through on a block attempt and caught Marcus Denmon right in the nose. Clearly it didn't cost Mizzou much -- though his per-minute totals suggest he'd have ended up atop the Trifecta if he'd played another 10 minutes, Mizzou did still win by 23 without him -- but still. That's not the type of luck I'm looking for.
- Mike Dixon's defense was lacking at times, but his offense was stellar. He took over as the primary shooting guard when Denmon met Bowers' razor-sharp elbow, and he looked great down the stretch (as he typically does at home). As has been mentioned ad nauseum here, Dixon and Phil Pressey's size and tendencies do not lend themselves to defensive strength the same way previous Mizzou guards' have, but they do make up for it on offense quite often.
- Mizzou's four primary bigs: 82 minutes, 38 points (16-for-28 FG, 6-8 FT), 20 rebounds (11 offensive). First, notice that they combined for more than 80 minutes ... meaning at least three of them were on the court a couple of times (I don't remember when). Mike Anderson clearly felt his team had the size advantage yesterday, and they utilized it considerably.
- Ricky! Little Kreklow came through with seven points, made a couple of layups and, with help from the bank, knocked in his first 3-pointer of conference play. His shot is so pretty, and you have to figure he ends up just fine from long range by the end of his career, but in the present tense it was getting difficult to justify him receiving much playing time. He played 14 great minutes yesterday afternoon.
| Player | Usage% | Floor% | Touches/ Poss. |
%Pass | %Shoot | %Fouled | %T/O |
| Mike Dixon | 31% | 39% | 3.1 | 27% | 41% | 23% | 9% |
| Laurence Bowers | 15% | 50% | 2.3 | 60% | 40% | 0% | 0% |
| Justin Safford | 20% | 54% | 1.4 | 0% | 83% | 17% | 0% |
| Ricardo Ratliffe | 28% | 47% | 2.2 | 0% | 61% | 39% | 0% |
| Phil Pressey | 13% | 41% | 3.2 | 75% | 17% | 0% | 8% |
| Marcus Denmon | 25% | 50% | 3.0 | 43% | 37% | 13% | 7% |
| Ricky Kreklow | 15% | 76% | 3.5 | 75% | 25% | 0% | 0% |
| Steve Moore | 18% | 58% | 2.4 | 54% | 37% | 0% | 9% |
| Matt Pressey | 11% | 37% | 5.0 | 84% | 8% | 5% | 3% |
| Kim English | 25% | 25% | 2.5 | 33% | 57% | 10% | 0% |
| Jarrett Sutton | 0% | N/A | N/A | 100% | 0% | 0% | 0% |
- With Mike Dixon logging minutes at the 2-guard, it seems Matt Pressey took his spot at point. Matt and Phil were both at 75% Pass or better.
- I love seeing no Tigers in double-digit %TO.
- I love seeing four Tigers in double-digit %Fouled.
Three Keys Revisited
From Friday's preview.
Swarmswarmswarmswarmswarmswarmswarm
In flurries, Mizzou swarmed successfully. And, since I'm watching Meldrick Taylor-Buddy McGirt '88 on ESPN Classic as I watch this, I can tell you ... flurries win you fights. If there was a knockout blow in this one, it was of the "Oklahoma's eyes are puffing up, and it hasn't landed a punch in two rounds, so the ref is stepping in -- TKO 9th" variety, but it worked.
It's funny -- I almost struggle to write about games like this and last week's Colorado win because they almost follow the same script. It's like Mad Libs. _______ (Lesser road team) hangs around for a while, but ______ (Bench Player A) does something fun, and _______ (Starter B) does something great, Mizzou swarmswarmswarmswarmswarms, and suddenly they have a comfortable lead. The second half sees a short offensive lull because of _______ (random cause of energy lag) that briefly allows the opponent back into the game, but _______ (Starter C) does something great, and Mizzou wins easily. It's not boring, obviously -- winning by 23 is never boring -- but taking any major conclusions from it, good or bad, becomes difficult after a while. A good difficult ... but difficult.
Yesterday's answers to fill in the blanks: Oklahoma, Ricky Kreklow (or Mike Dixon), Marcus Denmon, Denmon catching an elbow from Bowers and sucking the life out of the arena, Ricardo Ratliffe.
The Young Guys Running the Show
For Mizzou, the point guard position is occupied by a freshman (Phil Pressey) and a sophomore (Mike Dixon). Oklahoma is in the same boat -- sophomore Carl Blair and freshman Calvin Newell. Stats suggest Mizzou should win this battle comfortably, especially at home. But if they don't -- if Mizzou is unable to effectively pressure Blair and Newell into mistakes, and if they are unable to prevent penetration and, therefore, fouls and open 3-pointers -- then Oklahoma will be in this game all the way to the end.
Phil Pressey & Mike Dixon: 45 minutes, 22 points (6-13 FG, 5-9 3PT, 5-6 FT), 6 rebounds, 4 assists, 4 steals, 4 turnovers (2.00 BCI)
Carl Blair & Calvin Newell: 39 minutes, 6 points (3-7 FG, 0-1 3PT, 0-0 FT), 10 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 steal, 6 turnovers (0.83 BCI).
Carl Blair was great on the glass for Oklahoma, but otherwise Mizzou dominated this matchup like we had to figure they would. Pressey and Dixon typically put up a better BCI than 2.00 in these types of wins, but as mentioned above, Dixon was more of a shooting guard yesterday and finished with a lower-than-normal assist total. The four steals were great, and you could see Blair's effectiveness fading after the opening 10-12 minutes.
Kim English
Yeah, swing and a miss by me on this one ... yet again. Missouri obviously didn't need Kimmeh yesterday, so no harm, no foul. Plus ... he gets some bonus points for the incredible bounce pass he delivered to Ricardo Ratliffe for a fast break dunk early in the second half. Still ... that was his only assist, and he logged nothing else in the box score besides three defensive rebounds and six points on 2-for-10 shooting. His 1.5 AdjGS points dropped him to a measly 0.32 per minute for the season, the same as Matt Pressey. He is 22% off of his 0.41/minute pace from last year, and he is actually bringing less to the table (on a per minute basis) than he did as a freshman. He has logged double-digit AdjGS points just three times in ten conference games and, more worrisome, has logged 2.0 AdjGS points or fewer in three of the last four games. He is (surprisingly) shooting 38.3% from 3-point range ... but just 35.8% on 2-pointers. He looks confident and looks like he could catch fire any moment ... but he has been producing at a lower and lower level. As long as he plays the defense Mike Anderson requires (and I really am willing to believe that his non-box score contributions are still strong and good for this team), he should hold off Matt Pressey in terms of overall playing time, but ... considering I said a week ago that Missouri's ceiling will be defined by English's February play ... yeah, not feeling great about that at the moment.
In all honestly, Marcus Denmon is providing the overall production we thought we might get from Kim English this year -- 16 PPG, 4 RPG, 2 APG, plus a couple of steals to boot. We're getting the production from Ricardo Ratliffe (12 PPG, 6.5 RPG), Laurence Bowers (11 PPG, 6 RPG) and Mike Dixon (10 PPG, 4 APG, 2 SPG) that we might have expected as well. Plus, Phil Pressey (7 PPG, 4 APG) is coming on quite strong. If Mizzou has achieved at a lower level than we might have expected this season thus far (and if they have, it's only a degree or two lower, not Michigan State-level lower), it's because of two factors: 1) we underestimated the degree of the occasional defensive regression this team might suffer without Zaire Taylor and J.T. Tiller, and 2) though Denmon is giving us the expected English numbers, English is not giving us the expected Denmon numbers. In fact, he is giving us almost exactly what Denmon gave us last year (10 PPG, 3 RPG), only with much, much less efficient shooting. There's still time for Lord Baltimore to turn things around ever so slightly, but I get less optimistic by the day. Mizzou can still achieve at a high level with this version of Kimmeh ... but I'm still holding out fading hope that he will take a step forward and bump Mizzou's ceiling up by a couple of notches.
Summary
Dominate the ball, out-rebound your opponent, shoot reasonably well, watch the Mizzou Arena version of Mike Dixon take over for a few minutes ... and voila, yet another easy home win. We will hopefully get to watch an eerily similar version of this game take place Tuesday night against Texas Tech, then it's off to Ames on Saturday. It's easy to be negative about Mizzou's road performance, and it's easy to worry about Kim English, but despite the worries ... Mizzou could be a relatively gaudy 21-6 a week from now, and if they handle their business in Ames and against Baylor at home (yes, that game is tougher than it looked a few weeks ago, but it's still at home), then they'll be 22-6 heading to Manhattan. That's not bad considering a) there is one senior on this team, b) the team's five-star stud (and part of the reason people were ranking Mizzou so high in the preseason) never qualified, and c) the team's preseason Naismith watch lister hasn't played at a Naismith level. Lots of fun, easy, boring-to-write-about home games on the horizon, both in this season and next year.
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AdjGS: a take-off of the Game Score metric (definition here) accepted by a lot of basketball stat nerds. It takes points, assists, rebounds (offensive & defensive), steals, blocks, turnovers and fouls into account to determine an individual's "score" for a given game. The "adjustment" in Adjusted Game Score is simply matching the total game scores to the total points scored in the game, thereby redistributing the game's points scored to those who had the biggest impact on the game itself, instead of just how many balls a player put through a basket.
Usage%: This "estimates the % of team possessions a player consumes while on the floor" (via). The usage of those possessions is determined via a formula using field goal and free throw attempts, offensive rebounds, assists and turnovers. The higher the number, the more prevalent a player is (good or bad) in a team's offensive outcome. As you would expect, someone like Kim English has a high Usage%, while Steve Moore has an extremely low one.
Floor%: Via Basketball-Reference.com: Floor % answers the question, "when Player X uses a possession, what is the probability that his team scores at least 1 point?". The higher the Floor%, the more frequently the team probably scores when the given player is involved.
Touches/Possession: Using field goal attempts, free throw attempts, assists and turnovers, Touches attempt to estimate "the number of times a player touched the ball in an attacking position on the floor." Take the estimated touches and divide it by the estimated number of possessions for which a player was on the court, and you get a rough idea of how many times a player touched the ball in a given possession. For point guards, you'll see the number in the 3-4 range. For shooting guards and wings, 2-3. For Steve Moore, 1.30. You get the idea.
Anyway, using the Touches figure, we can estimate the percentage of time a player "in an attacking position" passes, shoots, turns the ball over, or gets fouled.
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Earlier this season, I asked the question, “will Denmon go pro this year?” I got a flurry (well, maybe three) replies that he is not ready. I agree that Marcus may need one more year, and that’s fine. But one thing about his rise and Kim’s…well, I would say near collapse is the fine probability that both will stay. I say this because I believe it is well documented that Mr. English wants to play pro ball. Had his numbers continued to escalate this year has they had been, I think that would have been a good conclusion to the season. However, with the troubles in his shot that have emerged, Kim is going to be around next year.
Call it selfish (cause it is), but the thought of only losing Stafford (a key role-player) off this team makes next year exciting. And hopefully Kim can get the rim to play ball.
Finds MvP RoC to be a stellar individual
Stafford? OK, Hubert...
Try not to take me too seriously
I don't think that qualifies as hateful.
I think we all want everyone on this team to be successful and have the opportunity to play professionally. That said, there is a lot to be excited about for next season if Safford is our only loss.
It’s still a little early for the “wait until next year” chat though. This team is still capable of making a run in the tournament. There just aren’t that many dominant teams this year (possible exceptions: OSU, Texas, Pitt, ku) and we’ll give teams that don’t see this style during the year fits. We’ll need the right match-ups, make shots and get refs that are willing to let us play our game, but that’s not impossible.
Dear Kimmeh,
Wha’ happened? If you find last year’s Kimmeh please let him know that his return to the team would be greatly appreciated.
well, my thinking was
regardless of what happens in the tourney, I think the team will remain without unforeseen loss for next year.
By the way, Kerkoff (kerkof?) had a great bit on basketball and transfers/quitting today.
Finds MvP RoC to be a stellar individual
My one concern with early departures...
…is if Ricardo Ratliffe decides his family really needs money, and he jumps for Europe or wherever, a la Albert White. There was a gripping story about his mom and poverty a while back, and while it made me like Ratliffe even more, it also made me realize that there might be at least a small chance that he jumps just for the money. And I couldn’t completely blame him if he did.
I am not sure that he will...
didn’t that same article indicate that there was a male presence (was it his father?) that had come back into their life and was helping take care of him and his mother financially? I guess it wouldn’t be a surprise either way… but I feel like he might stick it out here for the senior year looking at what it could be. Another year, and I think he could do really fine things for his NBA stock.
"Alcohol may be man's worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy." --Frank Sinatra
by Other Side of the Pillow on Feb 13, 2011 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
Oh if I were betting, I'd confidently say he's coming back.
I just think the chances are only 90% instead of 100%.
(I also don’t think he’s going to have much NBA stock no matter what unless he turns into a Dejuan Blair-level offensive rebounder.)
Oddly
unless he turns into a Dejuan Blair-level offensive rebounder.)
Dejuan Blair is exactly the comparison I was thinking in my head. Granted, Ricardo is far from it at this point… perhaps it’s a reach… but I don’t feel like it’s completely out of the realm of possibility.
"Alcohol may be man's worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy." --Frank Sinatra
by Other Side of the Pillow on Feb 13, 2011 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
Some positives about Kimmeh
I agree with what you’all are saying about Kimmeh. I do like one aspect of his game this season that is his aggressiveness to the basket. I thought he had some really nice dribble drives yesterday but couldn’t finish. One stat that I wish was tallied is the number of dribble drives. The number of times fouled is a poor surrogate because the correlation is not high among those two measures.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
I knew that defense was more important to this team than offense....
But this stat still really struck me. Of the 25 games this season….Of the worst 7 games Mizzou has played on defense based on defensive efficiency…Mizzou has lost 6. And the one was the Oregon game.
On the other hand, Of the worst 7 offensive efficiency games Mizzou has had, weve lost only 3. In fact, the other 3 games we lost were among our top 8 MOST efficient offensive nights.
Annoying You Since 1986
Like I mentioned at one point or another...
…Mizzou’s offensive numbers have actually been BETTER in conference road losses than conference home wins. Kind of staggering.
So what your saying is that Kimmeh knows if we score too much we are going to lose...
So he purposefully misses?
Annoying You Since 1986
Stat greediness: fouling on help
For our bigs, I would like to know the percent of fouls while helping (e.g. to stop a dribble penetration). My hypothesis is that our bigs’ foul trouble is really more due to the fact that our guards and not stopping the penetration at the top. Bill mentioned Dixon’s D lapses a few times yesterday. The hypothetical choice between letting someone shoot a long jumper vs. allowing dribble penetration and the resulting ills (e.g. foul on our big and/or O rebound and put back – which has been happening a lot) is clear to me. .
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
That would require quite a bit of film study...
…and if you want to go back and watch the game and document it, I’ll bump your fanpost to the front page. :-)
This is likely not too far from the truth
TJ Cleveland mentioned (on the post-post game radio thing) the guards not stopping penetration as being directly responsible for Ricardo’s foul trouble more often than not.
"Alcohol may be man's worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy." --Frank Sinatra
by Other Side of the Pillow on Feb 13, 2011 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
I believe they said that prior to the game
but I don’t recall if it was Sunvold or Kelly that said it.
Finds MvP RoC to be a stellar individual
Albert Einstein said that insanity is trying the same thing and expecting different results.
Kreklow had yet to hit a 3 all conference season, so instead of attempting to drill the 3, he decided to try to bank it in. It was clearly on purpose (okay, maybe not).
Three Things I Think
Posted at SBN KC, opining on Steve Moore and Anderson’s talent development, Mizzou’s ability to contest shots, and some giggle-inducing officiating.
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Good read
I completely agree on your pt. 2 about over-aggressiveness on half-court D, or even full court press-D for that matter. I think we become somewhat predictable with our constant over-aggressiveness so that the opposition expects the overplaying and passes/rotates successfully. I wonder if we would benefit with some more randomness to our aggression to keep opponents guessing?
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Deloss Dodds got a new contract guys...
Whew, I was worried he was having trouble feeding his family, just like that poor old man Latrell Sprewell.
My dad thinks Safford can get into the NBA
So there’s that
by ratherfantastic on Feb 13, 2011 1:27 PM CST reply actions
no doubt about it.
nba tickets aren’t that hard to come by.
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by threadkiller on Feb 13, 2011 5:24 PM CST up reply actions
I literally just laughed so hard I spit
that is very funny.
Oh and some guys were saying the same thing behind me in the student section, about Safford being the most NBA ready player on our team.
You've never heard of RockMNation then you must not be a real fan.
by bigtexas@mizzou on Feb 13, 2011 10:50 PM CST up reply actions
Regarding Steve Moore
I was talking to a cousin of mine who watched him play a lot in HS (both I and the cousin in question went to Truman), and we were commenting that those two layups from Steve in the first half displayed some offensive moves that he’s never even come close to demonstrating before. I was actually kind of frustrated that, after Anderson subbed him out, everybody kind of forgot that he’d apparently figured out how to have offense. If he can show some offensive post moves with any consistency, he’s big enough to give us a kind of inside presence not even Ratliffe provides, which would be phenomenal.
Now, admittedly, I have a little bit of a Kendial-Lawrence-is-God attitude toward Steve because he’s from my high school, and I’ve actually been kind of disappointed in how he regressed defensively this year after the second half of last season, when things suddenly seemed to click for him, but am I the only one that thinks he might turn into a real asset? I would love to see him making some consistent contribution.
We all understand what being a Mizzou fan is like. That’s no excuse for being a douche.
I thought Steve was tremendous
and was a little saddened he didn’t get more minutes… but Saffy was on as well. Had he not been, I bet he would have gotten those minutes. If we could have a “Greatest Hits of Steve Moore” compilation on the floor, he dang sure has a contribution to make to this team and next year’s team.
"Alcohol may be man's worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy." --Frank Sinatra
by Other Side of the Pillow on Feb 13, 2011 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
It wasn't even the minutes that bothered me, so much.
It was more that, even after he showed he could completely overpower their guys in the paint, after those two layups, nobody passed to him inside. His only points after that were a putback after an offensive rebound (and a travel that he got away with…cough). I’d really like to see what would happen if they worked as hard to get Steve the ball in the paint as they do Ricardo and Bowers.
We all understand what being a Mizzou fan is like. That’s no excuse for being a douche.
i saw steve moore play once in high school.
and it was because my high school played truman in the 2008 state semis (we won! so, uh, HA! or something). anyway, steve moore really really really scared me going into that game. all i remember was seeing someone listed as a mizzou recruit who was 6’10 and he scared the crap out of me. considering our biggest player was a 6’7 white kid, it seemed as if moore was going to be able to have his way.
obviously, that ended up not being the case. moore got his points and (mainly) his rebounds, but was not nearly the offensive force i expected him to be going into that game. our 6’7 white kid seemed to shut him down for the majority of the game and ended up getting him into foul trouble at the very end.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 13, 2011 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
I definitely have the impression that Steve was a force in high school because he had pretty good hands and was just plain bigger than everyone else.
The thing that really impressed me yesterday was the footwork he showed on those couple of layups. He definitely never showed moves like that in high school.
We all understand what being a Mizzou fan is like. That’s no excuse for being a douche.
He was channeling his inner Arthur Johnson.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
i agree.
moore was definitely bigger than everyone in high school so he was able to put it over the top of people and get rebounds a la cole aldrich the past couple years vs mizzou and others. when he got to college, however, he wasn’t going to be able to do that and had to start over with the basics. footwork, post moves, etc. some of that work is finally starting to show this year.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 13, 2011 5:03 PM CST up reply actions

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