Study Hall: Texas Tech
Your Trifecta: Denmon-English-Dixon. Almost a disappointingly normal one considering how odd this game was. Your winner: ...nobody? Really? Damn ... would have figured somebody'd have guess this.
Well ... if we hadn't already, I think we've figured out what will eventually doom Missouri. At some point in mid- to late-March (the later, the better), Missouri is going to lose an NCAA Tournament game because they couldn't make stops. Last year, whether we were acknowledging it or not, we knew that eventually offensive droughts -- simply failing to put the ball in the basket -- would end Mizzou's season, and they did; this year, it is rather clearly going to be on the defensive side of the ball. A few circumstances ganged up to make yesterday's defense particularly lackluster -- a super-quick Tech point guard, stellar press-breaking, and a late-arriving crowd* -- but no matter what, allowing 1.11 points per possession to a Tech team mostly without Mike Singletary is ... not encouraging. I'm not saying Mizzou is doomed to lose early in the tourney by any means ... draw your own personal conclusions about that. It's just that, whenever they do lose, we probably know how/why it will happen. Defense is rather clearly this team's Achilles heel.
* When I was in school, I'd have been endlessly complaining about how the alumni seats were half-full when the game tipped yesterday. Now that I've been in the work force for a while, I know just how difficult 6pm tip-offs are, especially when half of the fanbase lives 2+ hours away and has to fight the beginnings of rush hour traffic to get to Columbia by 6pm ... hell, I work about a half-mile (at most) from Mizzou Arena, and I wouldn't have gotten off of work early enough to drop the wife off and get back to the Arena before the game started. I get it now ... and while 6pm tips are good for my bedtime ... let's make sure all future 6pm tips are on the road, ahem.
Mizzou 92, Texas Tech 84
| Mizzou |
Tech | |
| Pace (No. of Possessions) |
76.0 | |
| Points Per Minute |
2.30 | 2.10 |
| Points Per Possession (PPP) |
1.21 | 1.11 |
| Points Per Shot (PPS) |
1.48 | 1.33 |
| 2-PT FG% | 62.2% | 50.0% |
| 3-PT FG% | 47.1% | 46.2% |
| FT% | 60.0% | 61.% |
| True Shooting % | 65.0% | 56.4% |
| Mizzou | Tech | |
| Assists | 18 | 13 |
| Steals | 9 | 8 |
| Turnovers | 14 | 17 |
| Ball Control Index (BCI) (Assists + Steals) / TO |
1.93 | 1.24 |
| Mizzou | Tech | |
| Expected Offensive Rebounds | 11 | 13 |
| Offensive Rebounds | 10 | 15 |
| Difference | -1 | +2 |
Give Tech Credit...
...they played at Mizzou's pace and lived to tell about it. Granted, they temporarily fell apart a couple of times, mostly thanks to Mizzou's bench -- MU went on an 8-0 run at the 13:00 mark of the first half, and a 13-4 run at the 15:00 mark of the second half -- but they bounced back each time. At the end of the first half, they actually seemed like the fresher of the two teams, which was off-putting in and of itself. The pace seemed to suit Tech well, and power to them for that.
That Said...
...wow, is Mizzou's defense average at times. When you read what guys like J.T. Tiller (at PowerMizzou) have to say, it's about pride, focus and dedication. And to be sure, Tiller should know all about that. But how much of it is also just plain, old defensive ability? I hope it's about pride and focus because that is fixable. But I fear that Mizzou's current perimeter defense, as we've been discussing all season, is what it is because of the discrepancy between Mizzou guards' offensive and defensive ability. Phil Pressey and Mike Dixon are occasionally incredible on offense, and this is definitely a strong offensive team ... but how much improvement are they going to be capable of making? (I'm not suggesting I know the answer here, by the way; I'd love to hear what others think on the matter.)
The Glass Makes No Sense
For the season, the correlation between the rebounding ability of a given Mizzou opponent and Mizzou's actual performance on the glass is much weaker than one would think. Against teams like Kansas State, Texas A&M and Old Dominion, Mizzou rebounded their behinds off; against lesser rebounding teams (and for the season, Tech has certainly qualified as a lesser rebounding team), Mizzou gets outhustled and outrebounded. It's annoying. The good news, I guess, is that Mizzou probably won't be facing a lesser rebounding team in the NCAA Tournament, eh?
Most of the rebounding trouble followed the same script: Tech guard penetrates effectively and gets to the rim, random Mizzou big comes over to block guard's shot and fails, and the now-uncovered Tech big puts back the miss with ease. I wish there were an easy way to chart and track how much of Mizzou's defensive trouble stems from the lack of Mizzou's ability to cut off drives. Granted, I also wish I could track how many times a Mizzou big goes for blocks when he has no chance of actually getting the block. Regardless, the work on the glass was less than inspiring.
Sloppy, Sloppy, Sloppy
Overall, Mizzou's offensive production was strong. But this was only the second time in conference play that the Tigers committed as many as 14 turnovers. Phil Pressey (five) was the primary culprit, and really, 14 turnovers isn't a devastating total over 76 possessions (especially considering how Mizzou's offensive aggression paid off at times), but still ... nine Tigers committed at least one turnover, and the performance was much sloppier than it needed to be. A lot of the turnovers were of the 'unforced' variety that drives coaches insane.
It was especially sloppy during crunch time, when Mike Dixon (twice) and Pressey (twice) committed four turnovers in four possessions, allowing Tech to whittle an eight-point Mizzou lead to three. Luckily, the defense stiffened up and didn't allow this game to become a complete disaster, but ... we've been reminded at random, and sometimes inopportune, times that Mizzou's primary ball-handlers are a freshman and a sophomore.
Before We Come Down Too Hard on Mizzou...
...we've got to acknowledge that their shooting performance was quite stellar. Their 62.5% shooting on 2-pointers was their highest since shooting 70.5% against Northern Illinois. Mizzou's guards were particularly effective -- Marcus Denmon went 7-for-8 on 2-pointers, Mike Dixon 4-for-6, Kim English 3-for-6, Matt "The Worst Guard Doug Gottleib Has Ever Seen, And It's Not Even Close" Pressey 1-for-2. The mid-range and penetration games were both working, and ... well, hopefully that's not the last we see of that. Mizzou plays Iowa State this weekend, and the Cyclones are quite possibly vulnerable to the same type of offensive aggressiveness we saw last night.
Mizzou Player Stats
(Definitions at the bottom of the post.)
| Player |
AdjGS | GmSc/Min | Line |
| Marcus Denmon | 21.4 | 0.67 | 32 Min, 20 Pts (9-13 FG, 2-5 3PT, 0-1 FT), 2 Stl |
| Kim English | 16.0 | 0.67 | 24 Min, 16 Pts (4-8 FG, 1-2 3PT, 7-11 FT), 7 Reb, 2 Stl, 2 TO |
| Mike Dixon | 10.8 | 0.57 | 19 Min, 13 Pts (5-8 FG, 1-2 3PT, 2-2 FT), 4 Reb (2 Off), 2 Ast, 2 TO, 5 PF |
| Laurence Bowers | 8.0 | 0.57 | 14 Min, 10 Pts (4-8 FG, 2-2 FT), 4 Reb (3 Off), 4 PF |
| Phil Pressey | 7.7 | 0.26 | 30 Min, 9 Pts (3-4 3PT), 4 Ast, 3 Reb, 5 TO |
| Justin Safford | 7.4 | 0.37 | 20 Min, 8 Pts (4-8 FG), 2 Reb, 2 Ast |
| Steve Moore | 6.9 | 0.53 | 13 Min, 2 Pts (1-1 FG, 0-1 FT), 4 Reb, 3 Blk, 2 Ast |
| Ricky Kreklow | 6.4 | 0.34 | 19 Min, 7 Pts (3-4 FG, 1-2 3PT, 0-1 FT) |
| Ricardo Ratliffe | 4.4 | 0.28 | 16 Min, 4 Pts (2-4 FG), 2 Reb (2 Off), 2 Off |
| Matt Pressey | 1.8 | 0.14 | 13 Min, 3 Pts (1-4 FG, 0-2 3PT, 1-2 FT), 2 Ast |
- This is mean, but ... did Marcus Denmon play in the second half? I mean, I know he did ("32 minutes" is what one would call a dead giveaway), but as Mizzou's offense was clamming up late in the game, Denmon was nowhere to be found. This game was a unique reminder that a) Denmon can take games over to a ridiculous degree at times (he was incredible in the first half, and thank goodness for that), and b) he simply is not a high-usage player who is going to dominate the ball. For better or worse, he ceded the game to Kim English and Mike Dixon in the second half. But it's obviously hard to complain about a "9-for-13 for 20 points in a Mizzou win" line, so I won't too much.
- Be! Aggressive! Be, be, aggressive! We saw Good Kimmeh yesterday, attacking the rim (while staying mostly in control and committing only one charge), drawing contact, and figuring out how to generate points when the Mizzou offense was beginning to stagnate. Plus, he raised his game on the glass, grabbing six defensive boards (four in the last two minutes) while the rest of the team was struggling in that regard.
- I just wish we could bottle up this offensive version of Mike Dixon and actually save some of it for road games. Granted, Mizzou needed every bit of his occasionally gorgeous offense yesterday, but still. Once again, Dixon put together a pretty offensive line at home.
- Don't ever do that again, Party Starter. When Bowers missed the dunk with a minute left, then tried to draw contact on the offensive rebound, didn't get it, and floated a putback from the waist (which I didn't think had a chance of going in) ... for about 1-2 seconds there, I was completely convinced Mizzou was going to lose. Then the awkward putback swished in and Mizzou pulled away with free throws.
- Nice offensive games, really, from both Bowers and Ratliffe -- 6-for-12 shooting, five offensive rebounds in 30 combined minutes -- but ... ONE DEFENSIVE REBOUND BETWEEN THEM. That is completely and totally unacceptable. In 33 minutes, Justin Safford and Steve Moore combined for six defensive rebounds, which really isn't an amazing total either (Steeeeeve's 34% def. rebound rate, however, was quite nice) ... but it's better than zero. Bowers and Ratliffe don't have to be great on the defensive glass, but they have to at least be mediocre, and yesterday evening they were not. Again, a lot of this might have stemmed from penetration allowed by Mizzou's guards, but ... ONE! ONE DEFENSIVE REBOUND! FOUR FEWER THAN MIKE DIXON AND PHIL PRESSEY!
- Thank goodness for Mizzou's role players. Without Ricky Kreklow, Safford and Moore, Mizzou doesn't win this game. 52 minutes, 17 points (8-for-13 shooting), seven rebounds, five assists, three steals, three blocks and just three turnovers. Bottle that up and deliver it on the road, too, guys.
- Clearly Matt Pressey heard Doug Gottleib talking bad about him (at one point blaming him for a bad possession ... when he was on the bench), and clearly it shook his confidence. Yep. That's the reason for his poor performance.
| Player | Usage% | Floor% | Touches/ Poss. |
%Pass | %Shoot | %Fouled | %T/O |
| Marcus Denmon | 20% | 64% | 1.6 | 30% | 65% | 5% | 0% |
| Kim English | 29% | 41% | 3.0 | 21% | 29% | 42% | 7% |
| Mike Dixon | 27% | 51% | 3.3 | 49% | 34% | 9% | 8% |
| Laurence Bowers | 33% | 45% | 3.2 | 35% | 47% | 12% | 6% |
| Phil Pressey | 14% | 40% | 2.9 | 72% | 12% | 0% | 16% |
| Justin Safford | 21% | 45% | 2.7 | 57% | 38% | 0% | 5% |
| Steve Moore | 9% | 53% | 3.0 | 79% | 7% | 7% | 7% |
| Ricky Kreklow | 14% | 54% | 1.7 | 49% | 34% | 9% | 8% |
| Ricardo Ratliffe | 12% | 55% | 2.6 | 75% | 25% | 0% | 0% |
| Matt Pressey | 21% | 30% | 3.8 | 63% | 21% | 11% | 5% |
Two thoughts about this table:
1. Not enough %Fouled for my tastes. Kimmeh almost drew enough contact for everybody, but despite holding a lead for the entire stretch run, Mizzou ended up drawing the same number of fouls (21) as Tech, and they ended up shooting fewer free throws. Obviously offense wasn't the problem here, but that's still not enough contact.
2. For the season, Phil Pressey's %Pass figure is 72%. Jason Horton's as a freshman: 67%. Wesley Stokes': 56%. Brian Grawer's: 68%. Kendrick Moore's: 62%. Melvin Booker's: 64%. Reggie Smith's: 76%. Prince Bridges': 67%. In other words, it sure seems like Phil Pressey has the components of a "pure point guard" to me. (For those who attended the game and, therefore, did not have to endure the telecast, you might not know what we're talking about here. Be thankful.) Freshman? Yes. Occasionally out of control? Yes. Streak shooter who loses his conscience from time to time? Absolutely. Pure point guard? 1000000%, yes.
Three Keys Revisited
From yesterday's preview.
Roberson Versus Pressey/Dixon
Let's turn this into "John Roberson & Javarez Willis Versus Phil Pressey & Mike Dixon."
Roberson & Willis: 66 minutes, 31 points (10-23 FG, 3-7 3PT, 8-11 FT), 6 assists, 10 turnovers, 2 steals (0.80 BCI)
Pressey & Dixon: 49 minutes, 22 points (8-12 FG, 4-6 3PT, 2-2 FT), 6 assists, 7 turnovers, 1 steal (1.00 BCI)
Tech's primary points had to shoot far more, and they therefore scored more too, but from a statistical perspective, Mizzou quite possibly won this battle. I said yesterday that the goal was for Mizzou's guards to match whatever Tech produced -- either they play well defensively and aren't required to do as much offensively, or they get burned a lot but do some burning of their own. This was rather clearly the latter, but ... at least Pressey and Dixon matched Roberson's and Willis' shooting efficiency and beat them in ball control (despite Pressey's five turnovers). Could have been worse, I guess.
Hit the Glass
Mizzou did not, in fact, hit the glass. And it almost cost them.
Show Up
In a subdued Mizzou Arena, Mizzou struggled with their focus, especially on defense. The offense came and went in spurts, and the defense ... well, it mostly just went. And again, it almost cost them. Yes, Mizzou "showed up" enough to win, but that was not the most encouraging, exciting couple of hours spent at Mizzou Arena this season.
Summary
Two games through the most winnable three-game slice of the conference season, Mizzou has two wins. The second one wasn't pretty or even remotely enjoyable, but it was a win. Now comes an interesting test. As much as anything, Mizzou's struggles on the road have been caused by iffy defense and no-shows on offense from Kim English and Mike Dixon. Without English's and Dixon's offense yesterday, Mizzou would have lost to Tech; if the team had played at that level at Hilton Coliseum last night, they'd have probably lost to Iowa State too. Lose in Ames, and 8-8 (or, technically, 7-9) becomes a solid possibility.
In other words, bring it on Saturday, guys. You got away with one last night. You won't get away with that on the road.
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AdjGS: a take-off of the Game Score metric (definition here) accepted by a lot of basketball stat nerds. It takes points, assists, rebounds (offensive & defensive), steals, blocks, turnovers and fouls into account to determine an individual's "score" for a given game. The "adjustment" in Adjusted Game Score is simply matching the total game scores to the total points scored in the game, thereby redistributing the game's points scored to those who had the biggest impact on the game itself, instead of just how many balls a player put through a basket.
Usage%: This "estimates the % of team possessions a player consumes while on the floor" (via). The usage of those possessions is determined via a formula using field goal and free throw attempts, offensive rebounds, assists and turnovers. The higher the number, the more prevalent a player is (good or bad) in a team's offensive outcome. As you would expect, someone like Kim English has a high Usage%, while Steve Moore has an extremely low one.
Floor%: Via Basketball-Reference.com: Floor % answers the question, "when Player X uses a possession, what is the probability that his team scores at least 1 point?". The higher the Floor%, the more frequently the team probably scores when the given player is involved.
Touches/Possession: Using field goal attempts, free throw attempts, assists and turnovers, Touches attempt to estimate "the number of times a player touched the ball in an attacking position on the floor." Take the estimated touches and divide it by the estimated number of possessions for which a player was on the court, and you get a rough idea of how many times a player touched the ball in a given possession. For point guards, you'll see the number in the 3-4 range. For shooting guards and wings, 2-3. For Steve Moore, 1.30. You get the idea.
Anyway, using the Touches figure, we can estimate the percentage of time a player "in an attacking position" passes, shoots, turns the ball over, or gets fouled.
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Matt Pressey killed Elvis
"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel
The announcers were terrible
-The pure point guard thing was a stupid comment
-The announcers were begging English to be our primary shooter…. with the percent he’s been shoot thats an awful idea
Do you dare to challenge the authority of his majesty, Gottlieb?
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
Glad this one is over.
Most points scored against Mizzou at home since Jan. 24th, 2009….when the Tigers squared off against a Voskuil-led Texas Tech team.
And my favorite picture of the night

"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel
Showing up
Ratliffe likes to show up on the road and in big games, and last night was neither of those.
He wasn’t eager to move around, he wasn’t clamoring for the ball underneath, and he wasn’t interested in rebounding or making defensive stops.
I’m hoping he had the flu or a stomach bug and this isn’t a motivation issue, but if it is at least he’ll be a machine in the tourneys.
Maybe it's just me but...
I just cringe when he’s on the perimeter & it looks like he’s thinking about shooting. My daughter told me that he couldn’t hear me as I was saying: “no, no, don’t shoot that, get inside and take the pass, don’ even think about shooting that”…
I am not disagreeing with you blaming the recipient
But I think the deliverer shares the blame. I don’t think our guards look for the bigs nearly enough.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
I just want to give congrats to everyone for bringin the Doug Gottlieb HATE last night...
We really took it up another notch last night.
I remember..
Him knocking Anderson for bringing in a completely new five from the starters, saying that all they’ve done is turn the ball over, to which Sciambi replied that Mizzou only had one turnover on the game to that point. Gottlieb is an extremes guy, something is the best or the worst.
A bigger question for me come march is whether our bigs, namely Bowers/Ratliffe can stay out of foul trouble, it’s been somewhat of an alarming trend lately.
Loved Kreklow’s effor last night, and another three pointer.
What was funniest about his "the bench is hurting Mizzou" comment...
…is that it came one possession after an 8-0 run by the Missouri bench ended. And yeah…Gottleib is a “the present tense is the future tense is the past tense” guy. Whatever’s happening right now is what has always, and will always, happen. Phil Pressey’s having a bad turnover night? He’s not a pure point guard. Kim English is having a good offensive night? He should be Mizzou’s go-to player. Mizzou’s bench commits a turnover? Mizzou’s bench is a liability. Mike Dixon misses a 3-pointer? He’s not a good shooter.
He said what gets CMA in trouble is putting in his bench...
there is SO many things wrong with that statement. Even if we didn’t have one of the better benches in the game, it’d be wrong. Apparently Gottlieb never got winded.
That's because he played slow until Texas came along and sped things up
"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel
Another one of his gems.
If it were not for texas we would all be playing as slow or slower than a Doc Sadler led team.
by HHKB Chris on Feb 16, 2011 11:06 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I missed most of the game
But was Gottlieb just generally awful, or anti-Mizzou? (Or, most likely, both, right?)
by Sheriff Blalock on Feb 16, 2011 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
awful...
I don’t think he prepares enough to make the assumptions he does. A look at the stat sheet can give an idea of what you have coming off the bench, and with a the titan that is ESPN, there should be folks that can inform him that 2nd Squad has done quite well in the past few games.
Finds MvP RoC to be a stellar individual
the stupidest think I heard was that he said our tournament chances were "precarious"
really? A 20-6 Big 12 team is getting into this year’s field NO QUESTIONS ASKED
It's Time.
by Jason Brynsvold on Feb 16, 2011 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
I do not understand MA. Moore and Safford played very well, and spent the last 10 minutes or so on the bench. Flip was trying to single-handedly give the game away, yet not only stayed in the game but stayed at the point.
The team’s regressing, I’m afraid.
And yes, a team that prides itself on defense will get the sh*t kicked out of them shortly.
Krekow was a cheer-up though.
Can’t believe they split the screen and showed that guy (Gottlieb) in the booth like we cared.
Responses...
1. I love that Moore and Safford made such a strong contribution … but that does NOT mean I want them (Moore in particular) in there with the game on the line. Playing well with 10:00 left and playing well with 1:00 left are two different things. Kreklow being in there made me nervous enough, even though he did fine.
2. Flip and Dixon were both in the game at the end … you can’t really take Flip out in that instance because … who comes in? Matt? He wasn’t playing any better.
3. Mizzou won by 20+ three days ago. One game does not = regression.
4. Kreklow was awesome. Agreed.
5. Split screen was not awesome. Agreed.
On the subject of Moore
Who was the last player (non walk-on) to endear themselves to the fans as much as him. Everything he does, rebounds, points (it was a nice post move, and wouldn’t mind seeing him get like 3-4 touches in the post), steals, getting on the floor. Each of those things, whether mundane or not gets the biggest ovation from the crowd.
Just trying to remember the last player who had that fan appeal.
We are happy for Steve
If you remember last season, Steve’s claim to fame was coming in and fouling 3 times, 0 points, and maybe a block.
Anytime Steve does something good we need to recognize it and give him positive encouragement to continue doing whatever it was he just did.
he's like a puppy
Some people say "hate" is a strong word. If you're talking about kansas, it's not strong enough.
Rarely?
"Anderson won't make substitutions. He'll change lines - Tiller, Taylor and English hit the bench while Denmon, Dixon and Paul hop the boards. Welcome to Hockey Night in Columbia. He won't take time outs. He'll take on fuel and tires. Welcome to the Hardwood 400." - Atch
according to my wife
you shouldn’t bop a dog on the head because it teaches them to be violent. This theory may ignore every single thing about conditioned learning and animals and whatnot, but my wife is like Coach Anderson with his coat off: it doesn’t matter if I agree, it only matters if I obey.
Let's be honest...
…would any of us really mind if Steeeeeeeeeeeve had a bit of a (Gary Leonard-esque) violent streak every now and then?
as long as it didn't result in ridiculous Technicals
like in the Michigan St game last night, I’d advocate for a this streak you speak of.
he could join us
in our next community killing spree. nothing like a little hands-on learning experience.
"You can't get a job without experience and you can't get experience until you have a job. Once you solve that problem you are home free." -Jack Buck
by threadkiller on Feb 16, 2011 7:43 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed about Moore and Safford in final minutes, but I’m not just talking about the end. when Saffy left I think we were on a run and I think our intensity dropped off when he left.
Dixon at the point in the final minutes. If not mistaken, Pressey turned it over 4 straight times and he doesn’t have the experience that Dixon does.
Once again,I really don’t want to be negative, but our defense and rebounding does seem to me to have slipped since, say, Christmas. After we lost to Georgetown I thought to myself that this team can go a long way. I realize we had some crappy non-conference performances, but I can’t see us competing with Georgetown at this point in the season. Maybe we haven’t regressed so much as haven’t progressed.
It was Pressey twice and Dixon twice in the last minutes...
…they both lost their minds. But they still had to be on the court.
As for regression...it happens.
Georgetown was iffy-at-best for a couple of weeks, now they’re really good again. Mizzou was iffy against CU and NU … then good against A&M-KSU-ISU … then iffy against UT-OSU … then good against CU, OU and (to an extent) KU … then they were iffy last night. There are ebbs and flows to the season, though I’m pretty sure most would agree that this team has been at least a little bit below where we hoped it would be in conference play…
And the underpants.
Sorry. Had to be said.
We all understand what being a Mizzou fan is like. That’s no excuse for being a douche.
by jaeger on Feb 16, 2011 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
chuckle=rec.
"You can't get a job without experience and you can't get experience until you have a job. Once you solve that problem you are home free." -Jack Buck
by threadkiller on Feb 16, 2011 7:44 PM CST up reply actions
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Down to the wire, 8 point lead, and then the following sequence occurs: turnover, Tech score, x4, 3 pt lead.
I think in that very specific situation, it might be wise to pull the freshman and put in someone who can just hold on to the ball. Phil still has this tendency to make really dumb decisions and he certainly made a few last night. The kid has an enormous upside, but that was just a terrible 5 minutes to end the game. It all worked out in the end, but if Tech makes a couple of free throws, most of the posts around Mizzou Nation today would be more of the “Phil, you idiot” variety.
"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel
we still have some end of game issues
which is a bit annoying. It looks like the whole team tends to lock up (sure, the PG’s were the main culprits, but I didn’t see a lot of movement) and stand around waiting for something to happen if we have a unsafe lead late.
And it is pretty terrible to do the one thing that you CANNOT do in those situations- give the ball to the other team w/o even getting a bad shot off. And doing it 4 times is pretty insane.
Sure Mike will keep trying to fix this, hope it happens fairly soon.
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I think committing that many turnovers in that time frame at that point in the game was probably a black swan event that we won’t see very often, so I’m not too concerned about it given the win.
"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel
I hope so
I just remember a few games where we gacked them up at the end, so it was an unpleasant reminder of how we have finished (or failed to finish) at times.
And I’m sure Mike has beaten them over the head on how they need finish games.
I would like to think that CMA left young Pressey in for a reason.
Experience closing a game. Tech could have threatend, but they didn’t.
Pressey was turning it over and perhaps playing too fast, but I would bet that CMA left him in to teach him how to, while still playing, slow it down a bit and finish a game.
This can only help in the long run.
Dr. Ausgiano schools me in the classroom and on the field of battle
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Feb 16, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
Does anyone recall who Gottlieb compared
To Ballaby from our team last night? I think it was either Dixon, or Phil or Matt P.
Either way it was asinine at the time.
While the D was bad I am really loving seein Steeeve and Ricky progressing as the season goes on.
by HHKB Chris on Feb 16, 2011 10:04 AM CST via mobile reply actions
It was Dixon.
He at least realized what he was saying and inserted an “I’m not saying he shoots like Balbay…” disclaimer.
Gottlieb!
I was not enjoying most of the play-by-play last night. Glad to hear I was in good company. It sounded like they’ve decided we’re the worst team ever in the top 25 and will be an early exit from the NIT if we even qualify!! I absolutely hated the split screen thing they had going. WTF is intertesting about watching some jerk sitting in the booth and making assinine comments and predictions? I’m glad I was watching on a 55" screen so I could at least still see the game.
And then he continued to want to watch the worst angle on the TV.
From behind the players, I’m all for mixing it up, but hate that angle. Give me the overhead full view.
speaking of Gottlieb
what credentials does he have, besides playing college ball and having a fair speaking voice, for getting all this facetime on ESPN? Does he have a Journalism Degree?
Finds MvP RoC to be a stellar individual
Journalism Degrees are overrated
/ducks
The sleeper has awoken. . .awakened. . .he woke up.
by SleepyFloyd7 on Feb 16, 2011 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Considering his role is to be an analyst/talk show host and is not a news reporter
having a “journalism degree” is irrelevant.
I do know that he used to appear on ESPN Radio’s All Night with Todd Wright back during his senior year at OK State, and I guess those appearances led to a gig in OKC doing a radio show and that led him back to ESPN.
But very few (if any) game analysts have J-degrees. For that role, and what you’re doing, it is irrelevant.
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I wonder if part of his credentials
are being kind of an ass, specifically being willing to act like he knows way, way more than he does and loudly proclaim his opinions.
He seems to be part of a trend that I absolutely despise, which is the ‘Rome-ization’ of sports commentary: (if some of you like the guy, sorry, just my opinion)
1. Have a ‘take’, no matter how goofy, dumb, or baseless. If you don’t really know what the hell you are talking about, no matter, just be more aggressive with your opinion.
2. Never question your own opinion- you are always right. And if someone questions you, don’t hesitate to stoop to childish, churlish remarks to attack the questioner, not their opinion.
3. Respect and politeness has little place in talking about sports- bash anything you can bash, snarkiness sells. Feel free to question the intelligence/talent/whatever of anyone, even older, accomplished people who almost certainly know way, way more than you do.
4. ‘Humor’ is used to insult and deride. Never laugh with someone when you can laugh at them.
5. Be absurdly full of yourself.
Admittedly, hyperbolic list. Maybe he is a hell of guy in person, but his TV (and radio) personality is nearly unbearable for me. You were a middling point guard quite some time ago, why exactly do you think you know more than somebody like Mike Anderson? Do you really think you are that freaking brilliant?
At least he was a pure point guard
How many jokes can we mine from a single Gottlieb broadcast? INFINITY
"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel
Yes.
Dr. Ausgiano schools me in the classroom and on the field of battle
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Feb 16, 2011 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
which means he couldn't hit the broadside of a barn?
’cause that is what I most remember about his game. :)
Never understood how offensive ability means you can’t distribute well. I would think it would be better (if not ‘pure’) to have some ability to make a shot from the PG position.
Maybe we can encourage Phil to miss more shots so he can improve his PG purity…
THIS is my biggest problem with Mizzou sports switching from KFRU to KTGR.
KFRU’s pregame show was fun, informative, and got you excited for the game. KTGR’s pregame show is “Gary Pinkel needs to run the football more, and screw anyone who disagrees with me.”
Elke ware zoon, zo blij van harte / Hemels boven ons zijn blauw / Er is een geest zo diep binnen ons / Oud Missouri dit is voor jou / Wanneer de band het Tijger oorlogslied speelt / En wanneer de strijd over is / We zullen stampen, stampen, stampen, rond de kolommen / Met een kreet voor oud Mizzou!
by Dutch Missourian on Feb 16, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
What he said.
Thanks Dutchy
The sleeper has awoken. . .awakened. . .he woke up.
by SleepyFloyd7 on Feb 16, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
Sounds like you also just described Colin Cowherd
by HHKB Chris on Feb 16, 2011 1:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It's not a rare model
80% of sports talk seems to be that way (and it has sort of always been that way). Piss people off so they listen.
Give me guys like the Border Patrol (KC morning show), very little poo throwing, snark, or ‘here is my brilliant, unimpeachable opinion, anybody who disagrees is an idiot’ crap.
RAGE
I was so incredibly pissed that ESPN would cut into the game for well over a quarter of the second half with that ridiculous in-booth double screen. Gottlieb must be a total egomaniac to think that people want to see that crap. I almost threw my remote through my TV.
You know they stopped at the first TV timeout...
about 4 minutes into the quarter…
Advocating for the "Spreadbone" since 2010
Rock M Nation
a quarter/a fifth
by any measure too damn long.
I don't blame Gotleib for that, it was ESPN's call,
As part of their “Let’s See What We Can Get Away With Week”
The birds in Arkansas?
GOTTLIEB!
Some people say "hate" is a strong word. If you're talking about kansas, it's not strong enough.
That's just science.
Furthermore, Gottlieb blames Matt Pressey for the birds in Arkansas. This guy won’t stop!
Dr. Ausgiano schools me in the classroom and on the field of battle
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Feb 16, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
Listen, and understand.
Matt Pressey is out there. He can’t be bargained with. He can’t be reasoned with. He doesn’t feel pity or remorse or fear. And he absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.
Wait, Matt Pressey isn’t out there? Then who is that? Dixon? Damnit Mike, stop going to your bench!
"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel
It was Matt Presseys' powers of telekinesis that tricked Gottlieb into thinking
he was actually on the court, when he wasn’t. His treachery knows no bounds.
Dr. Ausgiano schools me in the classroom and on the field of battle
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Feb 16, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
Are you f__king serious?!!?!
“Just back from Mizzou i think they are a better ncaa team than big 12 team”
Gottlieb’s twitter.
Some people say "hate" is a strong word. If you're talking about kansas, it's not strong enough.
That may be true
I certainly would take it in a heartbeat.
But he’s kinda dumb – why would you even follow him? Annoying.
by tigers and chiefs fan on Feb 16, 2011 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
Hey, we tried to get out of the Big XII!
"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel
wtf does that mean?
I know there is a limit on that tweety thing (forgive my crotchety attitude towards Twitter), but… huh?
Is that a backhanded compliment, I guess? Are we likely a team well suited to tourney play? Sure. Does that make us ‘less of a B12 team’? How exactly?
And typical ‘add a negative, makes it spicier’ BS.
After his comments Tuesday
I was just shocked he had anything nice to say about us.
And I would never follow Gottdweeb. I saw it retweeted.
Some people say "hate" is a strong word. If you're talking about kansas, it's not strong enough.
English
It was really good to see good Kimmeh again in this game. We’ve had a couple of sightings recently! If he played near his capability every game-he would be SUCH and asset!! I’ve been defending him a lot when friends talk about how they ‘hate’ him and wish CMA wouldn’t even put him in, etc. It has been getting harder to do there for a while as he wasn’t showing that ‘upside’ I kept referring to, now we’ve had a killer block against ISU and a 21 pt game then 16 last night. Maybe he’s going to come around at the end of the season for us. That would be good timing eh?
Replying to my own post-sad!!
I wondered if anyone else heard the BS about how English ‘obviously’ isn’t an A-type personality. That was freakin ridiculous and hilarious all at the same time. Is there some A-type=better basketball player correlation that I haven’t read about?
I don't think he gets the system, really
But most don’t. MA teams are designed to share the ball, not have one or two guys dominate the scoring. If it works out that way, great, but it is silly to say that one of Mike’s players should start hogging the ball and taking most of the shots.
Should certain players be the ones to take certain shots? Sure. But there is a reason why assists are so important- give up a shot to give your teamate a better shot.
Btw, you need to trade in some of your friends… :)
Doug Gottleib is the Joe Morgan of college BB broadcasters
w/o the hall of fame credentials.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
really?
i like joe. he at least is an amicable enough sounding fellow with a hof’er’s insight. i’ve heard people express dislike for him, but never heard why.
"You can't get a job without experience and you can't get experience until you have a job. Once you solve that problem you are home free." -Jack Buck
by threadkiller on Feb 16, 2011 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
There used to be a website called firejoemorgan
I am not as eloquent as that website, but it won’t be tough to search and find people’s comments about Joe.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
Joe Morgan
is a good example of a very good player who believes everyone should play the game exactly the way he thought he played it.
He says lots of nonsensical things like walking is not smart, that stealing and bunts are a good idea. He said things like he doesn’t understand why pitchers throw smaller pitch counts in games.
Basically, if there is some sort of change to the game or challenge to traditional ideas of the game, then he thinks it is stupid and the fault of nerds.
Great guy. Funny guy. Would love to have a beer with the dude and talk baseball history. But not the guy I want to hear insight from on a play by play basis in the modern game.
by mizzousundevil on Feb 17, 2011 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
Just so everyone knows
I realized this morning that I failed to wear any Mizzou garb last night. It is the first game I can remember where that didn’t happen. I suspect this to be the cause of Mizzou’s issues last night. Sorry about that.
We all understand what being a Mizzou fan is like. That’s no excuse for being a douche.
Also, with five minutes left, I thought to myself, "Well, that should do it."
I need to stop doing that.
"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel
on defense
As a former player, what bugs me the most about our defense and this team is this: Defense requires skill but more than that it requires a desire to play good defense. Our players have the physical skills — albeit our point guard is smallish — to be good defenders. It often looks like we are not even trying to stop people: guards drive uncontested to the rim, nobody puts a body on anyone on a shot attempt. For a team that supposedly prides itself on defense, we have a weird way of showing it. I just don’t get it. Yes, last year’s team couldn’t shoot. But they played hard and that’s all one can ask for.

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