Championship Week Live Thread: Day Five (Early) -AND- Mini-Rock-M-Tology!
by Bill C. on Mar 11, 2011 11:00 AM CST
in Rock-M-tology
Email
Print
Alright, now that that pesky "Having to watch Mizzou play" thing is out of the way, it's time to focus on the rest of the country. Lots and lots of interesting basketball today (and plenty of uninteresting ball too)...including three early-day "play-in" games of sorts. Among other things, the winners of Bama-UGa, Illinois-Michigan and BC-Clemson are almost definitely in the field (the losers might be too, but the winners almost assuredly are). And of course, oddly-placed-as-always Patriot League finals tip off in the late-afternoon...
11:00 AM CT
No. 1 Ohio State vs Northwestern (Big Ten Quarterfinals, ESPN)
No. 7 North Carolina vs Miami (ACC Quarterfinals, ESPN2)
No. 20 Xavier vs Dayton (Atlantic 10 Quarterfinals)
12:00 PM CT
Alabama vs Georgia (SEC Quarterfinals, ESPN3)
1:00 PM CT
Illinois vs Michigan (Big Ten Quarterfinals, ESPN)
Boston College vs Clemson (ACC Quarterfinals, ESPN2)
1:30 PM CT
St. Joseph's vs Duquesne (Atlantic 10 Quarterfinals)
2:00 PM CT
UTEP vs Tulsa (Conference USA Semis)
2:30 PM CT
No. 16 Kentucky vs Ole Miss (SEC Quarterfinals, ESPN3)
3:45 PM CT
Bucknell vs Lafayette (Patriot League Finals, ESPN2)
After the jump: ROCK-M-TOLOGY!
Last 8 In
Georgia
Richmond
Clemson
Colorado
Boston College
Virginia Tech
Michigan State
Alabama
I know I have Georgia rated higher than others, but whatever. I think Colorado's surge bumped them straight from "First 8 Out" to above the "First Four" line, so kudos to them for that (especially considering how close they came to losing to Iowa State and missing the opportunity to beat KSU).
First 8 9 Out
New Mexico
UAB
St. Mary's
USC
Memphis
Colorado State
Missouri State
VCU
I'm struggling to figure out where all the sudden USC love comes from. An 18-13 record (now 11-8) is far from amazing, but they went from completely off the radar screen to directly on the bubble border, if you believe Joe Lunardi.
The most amazing thing here: with losses to Colorado State, Missouri State, VCU and Washington State in recent days, the bubble is large enough that really only 72-73 teams have a chance at 68 spots, I think. I don't know how the committee will view USC, and I still know little about their view of Alabama, but things have coagulated to the point where there are very, very few tossups right now.
By Conference
11 - Big East
6 - ACC, Big 12, Big Ten, SEC
3 - Atlantic 10, MWC, Pac-10
2 - Colonial
The Bracket
FIRST FOUR (in Dayton)
Michigan State vs Virginia Tech
Boston College vs Alabama
Texas Southern vs UA-Little Rock
McNeese State vs Bethune Cookman
SOUTHWEST REGIONAL (in San Antonio)
1 Kansas vs 16 Texas Southern / UALR
8 Old Dominion vs 9 Tennessee
in Tulsa
5 Arizona vs 12 Colorado
4 St. John's vs 13 Memphis
in Denver
6 UNLV vs 11 Clemson
3 Florida vs 14 Wofford
in Tampa
7 Temple vs 10 Marquette
2 North Carolina vs 15 Boston U.
in Charlotte
WEST REGIONAL (in Anaheim)
1 Duke vs 16 Northern Colorado
8 Washington vs 9 George Mason
in Charlotte
5 Texas A&M vs 12 Virginia Tech / Michigan State
4 Georgetown vs 13 Harvard
in Tampa
6 West Virginia vs 11 Georgia
3 BYU vs 14 Long Island
in Tucson
7 Utah State vs 10 Illinois
2 Pittsburgh vs 15 St. Peter's
in Washington, DC
EAST REGIONAL (in Newark)
1 Ohio State vs 16 McNeese State / Bethune Cookman
8 Villanova vs 9 UCLA
in Cleveland
5 Louisville vs 12 Belmont
4 Kentucky vs 13 Indiana State
in Washington, DC
6 Xavier vs 11 Michigan
3 Syracuse vs 14 Bucknell
in Cleveland
7 Kansas State vs 10 Butler
2 San Diego State vs 15 Long Beach
in Tucson
SOUTHEAST REGIONAL (in New Orleans)
1 Notre Dame vs 16 UNC-Asheville
8 Missouri vs 9 Florida State
in Chicago
5 Connecticut vs 12 Boston College / Alabama
4 Wisconsin vs 13 Oakland
in Tulsa
6 Cincinnati vs 11 Richmond
3 Purdue vs 14 Morehead State
in Chicago
7 Vanderbilt vs 10 Gonzaga
2 Texas vs 15 Kent State
in Denver
My At-First-Glance Final Four
Kansas, Duke, Syracuse, Wisconsin
Second glance: Florida, Pittsburgh, Ohio State, Notre Dame
Missouri's inevitable path to destiny™ (ahem)
Florida State, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Texas, Syracuse, Duke
And if this isn't enough bracket talk for you, here's SBN's latest.
102 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
Florida State/Notre Dame is pretty good for that pod
but UConn/Wisconsin inspires very little hope for an extended run.
"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."
by Transmogrified Tiger on Mar 11, 2011 11:07 AM CST reply actions
I agree. If we are going to get a 8-9 seed I think that's about as good as it will get.
Maybe Washington instead of FSU, but that’s picking nits.
Notre Dame could run us right off the court. They could drain 3 ball after 3 ball and it could be a blowout. But teams that rely on shooting are vulnerable if they get cold. They get 32% of their points from behind the arc (65 in the nation) and 44 from inside (323rd). If they go cold, we could have a shot at them. Their big guys aren’t huge.
Considering the alternatives...
…i.e. Ohio State, Pitt and Duke, basically…I agree that Notre Dame’s our best shot if we’re in the 8-9 draw, even if that draw would result in me having three days of nightmares about Ben Hansbrough…
right, that's what i'm saying
it would be a crazy upset, but it seems like the most plausible upset.
as of today,
im relatively certain im picking notre dame as my national champion…
/camein117thplacelastyear
Great moments...are born...from great opportunity.
And that's what you have here...tonight, boys.
That's what you've EARNED here, tonight.
Ben Hansbrough
just seems like a dick.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
One thing to mention in relation to next weekend...
…if Mizzou were to win their first round game, it would be only the second time in program history that they won an NCAA tourney game three straight years. This team may not have come together as we hoped, but there are still some benchmarks that point to a lovely upward trajectory for the program.
Then again, the other time Mizzou pulled off this feat was 2001-03 … and they completely fell apart the next year. So maybe this isn’t a good thing to point out…
Because I'm too impatient to wait until our season ends
I mentioned it before, but the only team in the Big 12 to make a Bowl game and the NCAA tournament the last 3 years is Mizzou.
Nationally, the only other teams are West Virginia, Pitt, Ohio State, Wisconsin, and Florida State. That is a pretty exclusive(not to mention interesting) group of schools.
"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."
by Transmogrified Tiger on Mar 11, 2011 11:36 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Now that's a Big Picture thought process I can get behind.
Dr. Ausgiano schools me in the classroom and on the field of battle
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Mar 11, 2011 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
Dumb question
But what is the deal with the first four?
Two games are for 16 seeds, two for 12’s? How’d that come about, and are there some special criteria for deciding who has to play in them?
There are two play-ins just like last year...
…where the winner is a 16-seed against a 1. The other two play-in games (to pare 68 teams to the bracket-friendly 64) are between the last four at-large teams. They don’t necessarily have to end up 12-seeds, but they’ll be right in that neighborhood.
I'm so confused
So are those teams not seeded yet? i.e. do they not know who they’ll play if they win?
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
I think it's basically how I drew it up...
…they share a spot on the bracket line, so they know who they’ll play if they win.
I think I figured it out.
When I saw this bracket. I guess I like that a lot more than two 16-seeds battling it out.
It’s interesting that it’s possible (at least mathematically) that a team could win 7 games in a row to win a national title.
It will be interesting to see how they do the bracket challenges, since most of them extend the deadline until games start on Thursday morning.
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
a lot of them probably won't make you pick the first 4
rarely did we ever have to/get to pick the play-in game.
Playing Dynasty allday on NCAA 11, my SMU Pony Express is takin names...
My question is…what games do we know we have set up for nxt year in the schedule?
We have to go to Old Dominion
In the KC tourney with ND, Georgia and Cal
Illinois game
Anybody know of any others?
REPLY FAIL it's the last 4 in for the at-large qualifiers
and the last 4 automatic qualifiers.
Last 4 at-large will play a 12 v. 12 game and a 11. v. 11 game, respectively. Winners of that game go on to play a 5 seed and a 6 seed, respectively. The last 4 automatice qualifiers paly in 2 16 v. 16 games and play a #1 seed.
It came about with the expansion of the tournament last year. NCAA threatened to go to 96, got everyone in a tizzy and then said we will just do 68 teams. It was really well played politically.
twice
i think i have to stop posting. I am apparently unable to figure out this new fangled internet all the kids are talking about. It’s a series of tubes! It’s not a dumptruck!
it's the last 4 in for the at-large
and the last 4 automatic qualifiers.
Last 4 at-large will play a 12 v. 12 game and a 11. v. 11 game, respectively. Winners of that game go on to play a 5 seed and a 6 seed, respectively. The last 4 automatice qualifiers paly in 2 16 v. 16 games and play a #1 seed.
It came about with the expansion of the tournament last year. NCAA threatened to go to 96, got everyone in a tizzy and then said we will just do 68 teams. It was really well played politically.
I don't think it's set in stone
but that’s how Lunardi is doing it so I went with it to avoid ambiguity (by sacraficing facts!).
I mean, I don’t know if you heard this yet, but Lunardi picked 64 out of the 65 teams correctly the last 3 years. Also, Tony Gonzalez played basketball, Mike Anderson played for and coached with Nolan Richardson. He also has some connection to Paul Pressey – who may be related to the Presseys on Mizzou, but no one ever tells the story.
I love when they break out the "He gets 97% (or something like that) correct every year!!"
I mean…considering about 60-62 of 65 spots are universally agreed upon (or, in the case of conference tourney champions, mandatory) heading into Selection Sunday, you would have to do pretty terribly to get under 93% or so…which makes 97% seem, well, not quite as impressive.
(Still mad about the one year I forgot to choose between Northern Iowa and Buffalo and could therefore only say I got 64.5 right when UNI was picked. But hey…that’s 99%!)
that statistic cracks me up every single time
cause, exactly, the vast majority of the field is set in stone. If they wanted to throw out that he seeded 97% correctly, then yeah, that’s really good. But when you are only taking an educated guess on 3-5 spots the most you could miss is 7%.
dangit
only the word “seeded” was supposed to be italicized. I’m going to take a few plays off, regroup and try and bring a better effort for the second half.
It certainly wasn't.
I just couldn’t get in a groove. The server was calling a lot of ticky tack stuff early and then my internet access just wasn’t consistent. But you know, I’m going to adapt and come out strong for the afternoon.
lean on your depth in the frontcourt right?
Dr. Ausgiano schools me in the classroom and on the field of battle
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Mar 11, 2011 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
exactly
I have to figure out a way to manufacture posts. I need a couple easy posts early. I think I may have been fading away from the keyboard when I click post. I’m gonna work on going straight up.
that is key when you post a reply
you must always set your feet first, then go straight up to click post. If not your offense just doesn’t get into a good rhythm. Then it effects your Rec-abilities.
Dr. Ausgiano schools me in the classroom and on the field of battle
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Mar 11, 2011 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
well I was in silicon valley all summer
working on my posting with LSU Freak. I’ve got some good meme abilities, but it doesn’t really translate into my role on this board.
/fortherecordiLOVEkimmeh
by mizzou2396 on Mar 11, 2011 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
LSUFreak lives somewhere?
I always thought he/she/it was in the ether of the interwebs.
Dr. Ausgiano schools me in the classroom and on the field of battle
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Mar 11, 2011 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
May LSUFreak be with you.
Dr. Ausgiano schools me in the classroom and on the field of battle
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Mar 12, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
is this Mizzou's season in a nutshell?
“I’m not playing well in general” (last three games of conference + Texas Tech)
“so I’m going to take a few plays off " (Texas A&M)
“regroup, and try and bring a better effort for the second half.” (NCAA??)
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
There's actually a way to score a bracket projection
by weighting number of teams right and how well they were seeded. If you look at all the entries in the bracket projection matrix, Lunardi has consistently been near the bottom.
"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."
by Transmogrified Tiger on Mar 11, 2011 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
look man, I'm sick of all of these "facts" you keep throwing out
I wnat to have irrational discussion based on gut reactions. I’m going to Tigerboard.
streaming
Is justin.tv still the best bet to find a game on line? A co-worker is looking for the SEC tournament.
Crazy crazy stat:
In every tournament appearance since 2000, Missouri has lost to the regional champion.
2000 – 8 seed North Carolina (first round)
2001 – 1 seed Duke (second round)
2002 – 2 seed Oklahoma (regional final)
2003 – 3 seed Marquette (second round – Dwayne Wade)
2009 – 1 seed Connecticut (regional final)
2010 – 2 seed West Virginia (second round)
The random odds of this happening would be approximately 1 out of 2800. Discuss the significance of this fact.
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
CMA has peaked and can't recruit.
"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel
Final Four runs through us!
by Gary Leonard Karate School on Mar 11, 2011 12:56 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
rec'd for the username.
"I've spoken my piece and counted to three." -Penny Wharvey McGill
by threadkiller on Mar 11, 2011 9:21 PM CST up reply actions
Another concept: the NCAA Tournament "Losingest Team"
This is the opposite of what Mizzou claims (“at least we lost to someone good”). The idea is that there is one team in each single elimination tournament that is the farthest removed from winning it. For example, in 2010:
Duke beat Butler who beat Michigan State who beat Tennessee who beat Ohio State who beat Georgia Tech who beat Oklahoma State.
Therefore, 7-seed Oklahoma State was the losingest team in the NCAA tournament in 2010.
2009: 7 Cal
2008: 15 Belmont (yes… Duke beat them then lost in the second round)
2007: 13 New Mexico State
2006: 3 Iowa
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
Passive agressive punks.
Dr. Ausgiano schools me in the classroom and on the field of battle
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Mar 11, 2011 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
I've said it before and I will say it again
they need to sell these things year round. I don’t care if that would result in essentially child slave labor, I want my thin mints. And, no, the keebler grasshoppers are not the same.
I've found both the Keebler and Walmart brands to be worthy replacements myself
Although I don’t tend to eat those by the sleeve like I do Thin Mints.
"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."
by Transmogrified Tiger on Mar 11, 2011 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
that's the difference.
there is no addiction to the Keebler kind. I walk by Keebler cookies all the time and never buy them. I always buy thin mints. Always. Like even if I just ordered Thin Mints from a girl 5 mintues ago. IF these kids were smart they would ring my doorbell, get the order, walk to the street, walk back and ring my doorbell all day long.
On the other hand, if someone came by with the Keeblers, I would tell them that I don’t liek solicitors.
Here's the thing.
If you ate them every day, if you never had to do without, you would realize that Girl Scout cookies aren’t that good.
Brilliant marketing.
The sleeper has awoken. . .awakened. . .he woke up.
by SleepyFloyd7 on Mar 11, 2011 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
Well let's not say anything we're going to regret now
"I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius."
"What's misunderstood about you?"
"Nobody thinks I'm a genius."
by Transmogrified Tiger on Mar 11, 2011 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I would like to test your theory
I hear people say that all the time. Joy wouldn’t feel so good if it wasn’t for pain. Yes, yes it would. Joy feels good because it is joy. The Thin Mints taste good because they are joy in cookie form.
wow.
I was just about to comment that 3 games were done already and there wasn’t a single comment about any of them.
RMN thank you so so much
Gawd there are a lot of really really annoying gloom and doom Missouri fans out there. I guess it’s just harder to take when the type of fans we complain about on here so often are close friends of yours. They just refuse to listen to logic and facts.
/rantover
I was on another board this morning...run by somebody I really, really respect by the way...
…and had to flee the second I saw a “The players know Anderson’s going to Arkansas, and that’s why they quit last night” thread.
he must not be one
of your creations. ;-)
"I've spoken my piece and counted to three." -Penny Wharvey McGill
by threadkiller on Mar 11, 2011 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
Auburn got 80 points in the Fulmer Cup today
This one is over.
What do you mean I can't retire at 32?
Over at EDSBS
someone pointed out that the last three winners were around 90.
And they only got 77 points for all this jazz. Now sit at 80.
What do you mean I can't retire at 32?
"Four Auburn football players have been charged with five counts each of first degree robbery, one count each of first degree burglary, and one count each of theft of property in a home invasion that took place early Friday morning in Auburn."
There is “Young people do dumb things” and then there is “What were you thinking you damn morons???” This is definitely the latter.
"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel
I think with six felonies
they could be looking at serious time…EDSBS says something like 20 years.
What do you mean I can't retire at 32?
Clearly the NCAA needs to pay its student athletes
"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel
I normally think Bleacher Report is a pile of drek
but they have it right. Everyone is talking about Auburn football now instead of Ohio St.
What do you mean I can't retire at 32?
In Missouri at least
Robbery 1 – is an A Felony with a minimum of 10 years a max of 30, or life.
So if this was MO and they were convicted of Rob 1 – 10 years is the minimum. The max would be a stacking of each sentence so 6 life sentences to be served back to back.
Then there is the...
“You have thugs in your program.”
Selling a game worn jersey to a tattoo parlor is bad judgment. Home invasion isn’t bad judgment. It’s not even moronic. Home invasion is criminal stuff.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Now THAT'S how you finish the drill son.
Dr. Ausgiano schools me in the classroom and on the field of battle
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Mar 11, 2011 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
I've set up a defacto live thread for the Rock Bridge - Troy Missouri Final Four game
Rational Mizzou Talk, whether you like us or not.
That's not where everyone else went, I'm sure people left work
This place is typically pretty dead after 4:30 or so.
Rational Mizzou Talk, whether you like us or not.
don't these people work*?
- work means to sit in an office and do everything humanly possible to avoid any sort of production during March
Couple of teams trying to leave no doubt whatsoever
Michigan St up big on Purdue in second half and Colorado up early on Kansas. Was 22-10, now 22-15.
Try not to take me too seriously
I realize I'm more or less talking to myself at this point
But KU has stormed back to lead 27-26
Try not to take me too seriously
Sorry, I was busy hijacking RMN to liveblog
the Missouri Class 5 semifinal between Rock Bridge and Troy.
Rational Mizzou Talk, whether you like us or not.
I'm around.
Unfortunately it’s now 55-42.
"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."
twitter @sirensofsilence
by sirensofsilence on Mar 11, 2011 7:22 PM CST up reply actions
D'yall hear about Kevin O'Neill (USC)?
Um. Yeah.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Oh, and then there is this guy...
Fahdder Inatius Kury.
Oh, you mad impetuous thing you.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
The Big East should have a
contractual obligation with UConn/Cuse to play at least 3 overtimes.
Great moments are born from great opportunity.
Follow me on Twitter @muwxman
Four wins in four days
And that’s just to GET TO the championship. Unreal.
Try not to take me too seriously
In possible 8/9 seed news
Chris Singleton is dressed out and ready to go for Florida State tonight.
Try not to take me too seriously
Jimmer has 26 points with 4:13 left in the half
Try not to take me too seriously
33 at the half
Try not to take me too seriously
he is
the cougar offense. simple.
"I've spoken my piece and counted to three." -Penny Wharvey McGill
by threadkiller on Mar 11, 2011 9:26 PM CST up reply actions
Bill,
Not sure if you can re-run numbers on this kind of thing, but do you think we’d be on the wrong side of the bubble without winning in Ames?
by ConcernedTiger on Mar 11, 2011 9:35 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Highly, highly, highly doubtful.
One game does not make that much of a difference in the way I do it.
Thanks. Just curious. I think there would be a much more convincing case to leave us out if we had been 7-9 without a road win, but thankfully we got that one. Second year in a row I think that one puts us over the hump.
by ConcernedTiger on Mar 12, 2011 12:16 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
So that Jimmer Fredette guy...
Just dropped 52 on New Mexico. Holy crap.
Early Estimates
Are that the players he was guarding scored 60. Not only is the guy the worst defender in the country, he doesn’t even pretend like he wants to guard anybody.
Annoying You Since 1986
Penn State beat Wisconsin 36-33
And I thought we played bad last night.
Great moments are born from great opportunity.
Follow me on Twitter @muwxman
Some people have way too much time on their hands
Great moments are born from great opportunity.
Follow me on Twitter @muwxman
VaTech and FSU
coming down to an official ruling on a last second Seminoles victory
I'm tell ya like the bath tub told the toilet stool, " I get as much ass as you but I don't have to take all that shit!"
-Dolemite
make that an overruled Hokie victory
I'm tell ya like the bath tub told the toilet stool, " I get as much ass as you but I don't have to take all that shit!"
-Dolemite
Had my first chance...
…to sit and talk with a MU football player tonight, past or present. I met Jason Ray. Really nice guy. He likes sausage pizza. Made my night. I’m very happy right now.
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
